Brian is joined by energy expert Brigham McCown from the Hudson Institute. They dive into the world of energy policy, discussing the recent surge in oil prices due to the Strait of Hormuz closure and its impact on the global market. Brigham shares his insights on the US's energy independence and the importance of investing in infrastructure, including refineries and small modular reactors. They also touch on the role of natural gas and the challenges of permitting reform. With a mix of data and expert analysis, this conversation sheds light on the complexities of energy policy and its effects on the economy.