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Okay, back, Well, we decided to do a little bit of a special this morning. We actually even made a graphic. That's how special it is. President in Crisis because as you guys, I'm sure realize, this is an incredibly consequential week, certainly for Joe Biden, for the presidency, the future of the country, for how this election is going to go there a lot of moving pieces, so we wanted to focus the entire show on what is going on with the president. Fall from the interview, We're going to take a look at that where the poll numbers are increasing, Capitol Hill fallout from the Democratic Party, we have some major senior Democrats now defecting, the case being made for Kamala Harris, and how things could unfold if Biden were to drop out of the race or be forced out of the race. We're going to take a look at the media's role in all of this, including just recently these two radio hosts who were part of the Biden comeback tour last week who just literally took the questions that the White House gave them and admitted to that. So an incredible story there. We're also going to have a little fun with the blue and on conspiracy theories that have taken over and some of the cope from the Biden defenders. Take a look at that. And we're very fortunate to be joined this morning by a major Democratic donor, Abigail Disney, who is one of the donors leading the revolt against Biden. And we can contrast that with Ryan just had an interview with Dimitri Melhorn, which who is probably the most prominent donor advisor who is on the other side of that equation. He's one of the donors who's leading the charge to keep Biden on the ticket. So there's a lot to get into this morning before we get to any of that, though. First things first, we have some important breaking points family news, which is Ryan is launching this morning drop site. We've got a graphic for that. Go ahead and tell us Ryan what you were up to here and what was the what was the cause of this new venture?

Okay, back, Well, we decided to do a little bit of a special this morning. We actually even made a graphic. That's how special it is. President in Crisis because as you guys, I'm sure realize, this is an incredibly consequential week, certainly for Joe Biden, for the presidency, the future of the country, for how this election is going to go there a lot of moving pieces, so we wanted to focus the entire show on what is going on with the president. Fall from the interview, We're going to take a look at that where the poll numbers are increasing, Capitol Hill fallout from the Democratic Party, we have some major senior Democrats now defecting, the case being made for Kamala Harris, and how things could unfold if Biden were to drop out of the race or be forced out of the race. We're going to take a look at the media's role in all of this, including just recently these two radio hosts who were part of the Biden comeback tour last week who just literally took the questions that the White House gave them and admitted to that. So an incredible story there. We're also going to have a little fun with the blue and on conspiracy theories that have taken over and some of the cope from the Biden defenders. Take a look at that. And we're very fortunate to be joined this morning by a major Democratic donor, Abigail Disney, who is one of the donors leading the revolt against Biden. And we can contrast that with Ryan just had an interview with Dimitri Melhorn, which who is probably the most prominent donor advisor who is on the other side of that equation. He's one of the donors who's leading the charge to keep Biden on the ticket. So there's a lot to get into this morning before we get to any of that, though. First things first, we have some important breaking points family news, which is Ryan is launching this morning drop site. We've got a graphic for that. Go ahead and tell us Ryan what you were up to here and what was the what was the cause of this new venture?

Is the headline here is that Jeremy Skhill, who you see up on the screen here and I are leaving the Intercept. There will be some other Intercept veterans who are joining us at this new venture. That's a drop siteews dot com. You can find it over there.

Is the headline here is that Jeremy Skhill, who you see up on the screen here and I are leaving the Intercept. There will be some other Intercept veterans who are joining us at this new venture. That's a drop siteews dot com. You can find it over there.

Any names you can tell us?

Any names you can tell us?

Yeah, no, Oscar Renner, who is a deputy editor. She'll be joining us. The others still have to tell the Interceptions, so let them play out that process in the next couple of weeks. But you know, you guys followed this as I was kind of running you through the whole saga. But it's been reported that there was a staff revolt about the direction that the new board and management were taking the Intercept, and as part of that, it was also reported that Jeremy and I tried to take the Intercept over And in hindsight, it was kind of a crazy idea because we went to the board and we said, look, we've got funding, we've got a vision for the Intercept, and we propose that all of you on the board resign, go away, and turn it over to the journalists.

Yeah, no, Oscar Renner, who is a deputy editor. She'll be joining us. The others still have to tell the Interceptions, so let them play out that process in the next couple of weeks. But you know, you guys followed this as I was kind of running you through the whole saga. But it's been reported that there was a staff revolt about the direction that the new board and management were taking the Intercept, and as part of that, it was also reported that Jeremy and I tried to take the Intercept over And in hindsight, it was kind of a crazy idea because we went to the board and we said, look, we've got funding, we've got a vision for the Intercept, and we propose that all of you on the board resign, go away, and turn it over to the journalists.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Boards don't normally agree to things like that.

Boards don't normally agree to things like that.

They contemplated, got a little bit of experience, I understand.

They contemplated, got a little bit of experience, I understand.

Yeah, I'm not sure we even got a second for that motion, but in any event, they said no, thank you, and we but we realized at that point if we could do it here, then we can do it elsewhere. And to me, it's extremely important, especially for the independent media ecosystem that's something like the Intercept exists, that you have to have an independent, investigative news outlet that is able to punch above its weight, that is able to push back not just against politicians and expose what they're doing, but also the MSM the New York Times. New York Times is so dominant now they got rid of their ombudsman they post is barely competition at this point.

Yeah, I'm not sure we even got a second for that motion, but in any event, they said no, thank you, and we but we realized at that point if we could do it here, then we can do it elsewhere. And to me, it's extremely important, especially for the independent media ecosystem that's something like the Intercept exists, that you have to have an independent, investigative news outlet that is able to punch above its weight, that is able to push back not just against politicians and expose what they're doing, but also the MSM the New York Times. New York Times is so dominant now they got rid of their ombudsman they post is barely competition at this point.

There's nobody to check them.

There's nobody to check them.

When I was reporting on some of their propaganda around October seventh, I was talking to a New York Times reporter who was there, who was like, who's going to check us? Like like she had nowhere to go internally anymore. Even you know, when they did Jason Blair, when there was that massive like scandal, they investigated it.

When I was reporting on some of their propaganda around October seventh, I was talking to a New York Times reporter who was there, who was like, who's going to check us? Like like she had nowhere to go internally anymore. Even you know, when they did Jason Blair, when there was that massive like scandal, they investigated it.

A bunch of people got fired like it was real problem.

A bunch of people got fired like it was real problem.

They like cared that Califate scandal.

They like cared that Califate scandal.

Scandal Jason Blair was, there was Caliphate, but each successive scandal, like with with the Weapons of Mass Destruction, there were some consequences for people at the time with Jason Blair, who was fabricating stuff, consequences Caliphate fewer consequences this time around.

Scandal Jason Blair was, there was Caliphate, but each successive scandal, like with with the Weapons of Mass Destruction, there were some consequences for people at the time with Jason Blair, who was fabricating stuff, consequences Caliphate fewer consequences this time around.

They got rid of a stringer.

They got rid of a stringer.

But publicly, you can still change narratives even if The Times is like going to dig in, like the there's enough weight in independent media now that you can kind of push back in a serious way. It Well, so we're building this as kind of a new intercept.

But publicly, you can still change narratives even if The Times is like going to dig in, like the there's enough weight in independent media now that you can kind of push back in a serious way. It Well, so we're building this as kind of a new intercept.

And you and Jeremy have such a track record and so much credibility. That's part of why I know this venture is going to be extremely successful. And you're so right because and I hope you guys will go to what is at drop site news dot com and support this venture because it is more difficult to do investigative journalism in the independent media space and have that work as a business model, right, because you know, sometimes you're engaged in investigation and it doesn't work out, and then all of that work that you've done is for not And so you need people who are invested in that long term project of media corporate political accountability. And as I said, you and Jeremy certainly have the track record.

And you and Jeremy have such a track record and so much credibility. That's part of why I know this venture is going to be extremely successful. And you're so right because and I hope you guys will go to what is at drop site news dot com and support this venture because it is more difficult to do investigative journalism in the independent media space and have that work as a business model, right, because you know, sometimes you're engaged in investigation and it doesn't work out, and then all of that work that you've done is for not And so you need people who are invested in that long term project of media corporate political accountability. And as I said, you and Jeremy certainly have the track record.

To back all of that up.

To back all of that up.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah, it's not commercially viable unless people support it like as a cause.

Yeah, it's not commercially viable unless people support it like as a cause.

If it as less people want it to exist.

If it as less people want it to exist.

The topic of today's show is why you need drop site. I mean to your point about the New York Times. We're going to go through some of the media coverage.

The topic of today's show is why you need drop site. I mean to your point about the New York Times. We're going to go through some of the media coverage.

But if you have such a great point, if you've.

But if you have such a great point, if you've.

Been disappointed with the coverage as.

Been disappointed with the coverage as.

You've watched you reflect, don't happen in the debate, that's why you need Right.

You've watched you reflect, don't happen in the debate, that's why you need Right.

It's been great out there.

It's been great out there.

Fantastic and I love the name, the homage, you know, the idea of the spy like a drop side, giving information that actually gets back to the roots of the intersect. So we are very encouraged to actually see something like that, but going back to what it really should be exactly, and we're happy to have that in the Breaking Points family.

Fantastic and I love the name, the homage, you know, the idea of the spy like a drop side, giving information that actually gets back to the roots of the intersect. So we are very encouraged to actually see something like that, but going back to what it really should be exactly, and we're happy to have that in the Breaking Points family.

Thank you, Ryan, drop site news dot com.

Thank you, Ryan, drop site news dot com.

Everybody go and subscribe of a link down the description for premium subscribers, of a link in the email as well, and you're going to be hearing about it, I think quite a bit over the.

Everybody go and subscribe of a link down the description for premium subscribers, of a link in the email as well, and you're going to be hearing about it, I think quite a bit over the.

Next couple of months.

Next couple of months.

Yes, congratulations, Roy Man, We're very happy for you.

Yes, congratulations, Roy Man, We're very happy for you.

Let's go ahead and get to the Presidency in Crisis brought to everybody the breakdown of President Biden's interview. There was a moment that I played for everybody over the weekend, but we all need to ruminate and to discuss which was the final one which displayed Joe Biden's real arrogance. After his disastrous debate performance, Georgetephanopolis asked, how are you going to feel, you know, if you continue to stay in this race and Donald Trump beats you in the election? He basically said, well, it's all about me and that's the only thing that matters.

Let's go ahead and get to the Presidency in Crisis brought to everybody the breakdown of President Biden's interview. There was a moment that I played for everybody over the weekend, but we all need to ruminate and to discuss which was the final one which displayed Joe Biden's real arrogance. After his disastrous debate performance, Georgetephanopolis asked, how are you going to feel, you know, if you continue to stay in this race and Donald Trump beats you in the election? He basically said, well, it's all about me and that's the only thing that matters.

Here's what he had to say, mister president, I've never seen a president thirty six percent approval get reelected.

Here's what he had to say, mister president, I've never seen a president thirty six percent approval get reelected.

Well, I don't believe that's my improvement. That's not what our poll show.

Well, I don't believe that's my improvement. That's not what our poll show.

And if you stay in and Trump is elected and everything you're warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in January?

And if you stay in and Trump is elected and everything you're warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in January?

I feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do.

I feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do.

That's what this is about.

That's what this is about.

If we're worried that if you stay in the race, we're going to lose the House in the Senate, how will you respond.

If we're worried that if you stay in the race, we're going to lose the House in the Senate, how will you respond.

I've go into detail with them.

I've go into detail with them.

I've speak of that, all of them in detail, including Jim Clemburn, every one of them. They all said I should stay in the race. Stay in the race. No one said not on the people said but if they do well, it's like we're not going to do that.

I've speak of that, all of them in detail, including Jim Clemburn, every one of them. They all said I should stay in the race. Stay in the race. No one said not on the people said but if they do well, it's like we're not going to do that.

You sure, yeah, I'm sure.

You sure, yeah, I'm sure.

Look, I mean, if the Lord of Mighty cannot say, Joe get out of the race, I got out the race, and Lord of Mighty's not coming down.

Look, I mean, if the Lord of Mighty cannot say, Joe get out of the race, I got out the race, and Lord of Mighty's not coming down.

I mean the hypotheticals George if, I mean if, but it's it's it's not that hypothetical anymore.

I mean the hypotheticals George if, I mean if, but it's it's it's not that hypothetical anymore.

Okay, So the Lord Almighty is basically the only person who can convince Biden whenever he does eventually meet him, and as long as he says I in at the end, gave all the goodest job I know I could do, then I'll be totally content. So it's not about the voters, it's not about the policy, it's not about any of that.

Okay, So the Lord Almighty is basically the only person who can convince Biden whenever he does eventually meet him, and as long as he says I in at the end, gave all the goodest job I know I could do, then I'll be totally content. So it's not about the voters, it's not about the policy, it's not about any of that.

It is about Joe Biden. And is it about his family and his goodest job?

It is about Joe Biden. And is it about his family and his goodest job?

And let's actually pause on this goodest question, because Maureen Daoud reported that after she posted a column on that included reference to goodest, T J. Duck Low, a Biden campaign spoke when she wrote, he mailed me to quote flag that ABC News had updated his transcript to read quote, I'll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the good.

And let's actually pause on this goodest question, because Maureen Daoud reported that after she posted a column on that included reference to goodest, T J. Duck Low, a Biden campaign spoke when she wrote, he mailed me to quote flag that ABC News had updated his transcript to read quote, I'll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the good.

As job as I know.

As job as I know.

That I can, it's not really matter.

That I can, it's not really matter.

This is about Declo asked if I could quote tweak the column and change the word goodest to make my piece quote consistent with the corrected transcript even though the revised version.

This is about Declo asked if I could quote tweak the column and change the word goodest to make my piece quote consistent with the corrected transcript even though the revised version.

That's what we're doing Okay, so I had seen this cope on democrats. Well he didn't say goodest. I listened to this clip like four times he said goodest. Yes, and that is not any better, by the way, but I'm good as job as. But also I mean more to the point here, this particular comment right in the moment when you know Sager was doing his response and all the immediate reaction, it didn't get as much attention. But I think as things have worn on, this is actually and Ryan, you can you know, you can tell me what your sources are telling you. This has become an even bigger issue for him because it's one thing if you realize you've got a problem, you realize it's as they're all saying, existential and democracy is on the ballot, et cetera, et cetera. It's another thing if you are, as Biden appears to be utterly delusional, don't believe any pole that says anything even potentially negative, lying about your approval rating, et cetera. And feel like, well, as long as I you know, did my goodest and Trump wins, what are you going to do? That's what it's And he goes on to say that's what it's all about it's all about me doing my best.

That's what we're doing Okay, so I had seen this cope on democrats. Well he didn't say goodest. I listened to this clip like four times he said goodest. Yes, and that is not any better, by the way, but I'm good as job as. But also I mean more to the point here, this particular comment right in the moment when you know Sager was doing his response and all the immediate reaction, it didn't get as much attention. But I think as things have worn on, this is actually and Ryan, you can you know, you can tell me what your sources are telling you. This has become an even bigger issue for him because it's one thing if you realize you've got a problem, you realize it's as they're all saying, existential and democracy is on the ballot, et cetera, et cetera. It's another thing if you are, as Biden appears to be utterly delusional, don't believe any pole that says anything even potentially negative, lying about your approval rating, et cetera. And feel like, well, as long as I you know, did my goodest and Trump wins, what are you going to do? That's what it's And he goes on to say that's what it's all about it's all about me doing my best.

Everyone gets a trophy.

Everyone gets a trophy.

This election is really about the friends that we make along.

This election is really about the friends that we make along.

That's you're right, that that infuriated members of Congress in particular, I think more than almost anything, because like, no, what are you talking about?

That's you're right, that that infuriated members of Congress in particular, I think more than almost anything, because like, no, what are you talking about?

Right? Right?

Right? Right?

No, what matters is actually winning here, Because the reason that you're seeing them start to come out is because of the ad, for instance, that they've already started running against Bob Casey. And this title of the ad is Bob Casey Knew Yes And I played it for everybody last week exactly Yeah. Plays the Biden debait performance, and it plays Biden saying nice things about Casey. Casey's saying nice things about Biden and says he's a giant liar. If you can't trust him on this, how can you trust him on anything else? So they are asking themselves how bad is this going to be for my re election? And then Biden's as well. As long as you do your goodest job, that's all that really matters. And it does go back to this question of ego and arrogance and bitterness. And what I've heard from some people is the speculation that well, he thinks that if he loses, then the American people deserve Trump. Yes, because he put himself out there. He's a good, honest man. They rejected him. Well, I guess they get what they discern.

No, what matters is actually winning here, Because the reason that you're seeing them start to come out is because of the ad, for instance, that they've already started running against Bob Casey. And this title of the ad is Bob Casey Knew Yes And I played it for everybody last week exactly Yeah. Plays the Biden debait performance, and it plays Biden saying nice things about Casey. Casey's saying nice things about Biden and says he's a giant liar. If you can't trust him on this, how can you trust him on anything else? So they are asking themselves how bad is this going to be for my re election? And then Biden's as well. As long as you do your goodest job, that's all that really matters. And it does go back to this question of ego and arrogance and bitterness. And what I've heard from some people is the speculation that well, he thinks that if he loses, then the American people deserve Trump. Yes, because he put himself out there. He's a good, honest man. They rejected him. Well, I guess they get what they discern.

Right now, and that's actually exactly what it is, because it's all about him. He said multiple times through I believe I am the best candidate. I understand I am the best candidate. I know that I'm the person to be in this race all throughout that and people have been asked. While you guys were all gone, people kept asking so many questions. Do you really think he's gonna drop out? Do you think he's going to drop out? I said the same thing I do on debate night. Never bet against the arrogance of Joe Biden. He is one of the most arrogant men in politics. I think, I said that night, he will go down as one of the most selfish men in American history.

Right now, and that's actually exactly what it is, because it's all about him. He said multiple times through I believe I am the best candidate. I understand I am the best candidate. I know that I'm the person to be in this race all throughout that and people have been asked. While you guys were all gone, people kept asking so many questions. Do you really think he's gonna drop out? Do you think he's going to drop out? I said the same thing I do on debate night. Never bet against the arrogance of Joe Biden. He is one of the most arrogant men in politics. I think, I said that night, he will go down as one of the most selfish men in American history.

I stand by that. I think.

I stand by that. I think.

I mean, really, when the Oxford history of twenty one hundred is written, how.

I mean, really, when the Oxford history of twenty one hundred is written, how.

Else can we be like?

Else can we be like?

Well, the delusional arrogance of an eighty one year old man carried the Democratic Party to devastating defeat, one which probably could have gone at least a narrow chance different election if he'd refused to or if he decided to get out of the race. And it's funny too to put him up against other people in history. I mean, we think of Lynnon Johnson as one of the most egotistical, power hungry people in all of the history of the American presidency.

Well, the delusional arrogance of an eighty one year old man carried the Democratic Party to devastating defeat, one which probably could have gone at least a narrow chance different election if he'd refused to or if he decided to get out of the race. And it's funny too to put him up against other people in history. I mean, we think of Lynnon Johnson as one of the most egotistical, power hungry people in all of the history of the American presidency.

Even he was like, the jig is up and it's time for me to go.

Even he was like, the jig is up and it's time for me to go.

Well now, even Nixon.

Well now, even Nixon.

Yeah, I mean Nixon too. Dixon even resigned.

Yeah, I mean Nixon too. Dixon even resigned.

If he were to step aside at this point or be you know, basically pushed aside, which is what it clears would be required at this point, people will forget about this yeah era, and he'll be rehabbed and and you know, I think the genocide he enabled will be a bigger stain on him than this period, and he'll be looked, you know, it will be admirable that he stepped aside and passed the torch in all of those things. So there is still a chance for him to reshape that viewpoint on him. But I also was thinking about listening to that. You know, Oh well, as long as I did my goodest job, and it's all fine, and that's what it's all about. Like, imagine if like a Bernie Sanders, oh yeah, had said that, and it got me thinking, that's right, and people will be like, what are you talking about? Beating Trump is mission number one? And the people who said it's mission number one are Joe Biden and his team and his supporters. So in a lot of ways, I've been thinking about, you know, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. The political parameters that he established in twenty twenty is that vision doesn't The only thing that matters is your electability. That's it. And number two that this is not going to be a grassroots movement. This is going to be decided by the donor class, by the the very donor class that is now by and large revolting against him, with a few notable holdouts. But you know, the reporting is that the overwhelming majority of them are wanting to go in a different direction. And it makes sense because they're the only ones who've had any access to him. So they're the ones who've seen up close, like, oh my god, he's reading off a teleprompter in my living room and can still only speak for six minutes and doesn't take any questions, which I've been to my fair share of political fundraisers. That is not the way these things go. These people expect to be able to, you know, be able to shake hands with this man and ask him their questions and get on the phone with him and all of those sorts of things. So they're the ones who have had access to him, who have seen up close this decline that has effectively been waved off by his team and the Washington Post article we're going to get to you later in this in the show indicates that they had a sort of tacit deal of yeah, we know it's not great, we know what you're saying, but when it comes to the state of the Union and these debates and these key moments, he will wise to the occasion it will all be okay. And so that's why you see such a revolt. But you know, to go back to the original point, you live by the sword, you die by this sord of the system he set up is it's all about electability, and it's all about the donor class, and those things are now failing him and very clearly.

If he were to step aside at this point or be you know, basically pushed aside, which is what it clears would be required at this point, people will forget about this yeah era, and he'll be rehabbed and and you know, I think the genocide he enabled will be a bigger stain on him than this period, and he'll be looked, you know, it will be admirable that he stepped aside and passed the torch in all of those things. So there is still a chance for him to reshape that viewpoint on him. But I also was thinking about listening to that. You know, Oh well, as long as I did my goodest job, and it's all fine, and that's what it's all about. Like, imagine if like a Bernie Sanders, oh yeah, had said that, and it got me thinking, that's right, and people will be like, what are you talking about? Beating Trump is mission number one? And the people who said it's mission number one are Joe Biden and his team and his supporters. So in a lot of ways, I've been thinking about, you know, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. The political parameters that he established in twenty twenty is that vision doesn't The only thing that matters is your electability. That's it. And number two that this is not going to be a grassroots movement. This is going to be decided by the donor class, by the the very donor class that is now by and large revolting against him, with a few notable holdouts. But you know, the reporting is that the overwhelming majority of them are wanting to go in a different direction. And it makes sense because they're the only ones who've had any access to him. So they're the ones who've seen up close, like, oh my god, he's reading off a teleprompter in my living room and can still only speak for six minutes and doesn't take any questions, which I've been to my fair share of political fundraisers. That is not the way these things go. These people expect to be able to, you know, be able to shake hands with this man and ask him their questions and get on the phone with him and all of those sorts of things. So they're the ones who have had access to him, who have seen up close this decline that has effectively been waved off by his team and the Washington Post article we're going to get to you later in this in the show indicates that they had a sort of tacit deal of yeah, we know it's not great, we know what you're saying, but when it comes to the state of the Union and these debates and these key moments, he will wise to the occasion it will all be okay. And so that's why you see such a revolt. But you know, to go back to the original point, you live by the sword, you die by this sord of the system he set up is it's all about electability, and it's all about the donor class, and those things are now failing him and very clearly.

I just want to make a quick point on that.

I just want to make a quick point on that.

George Stephanopoulos, I think enabled that perspective, because the vast majority of that interview, even when he was asking contact, even when he was asking questions about Biden's health, it was in the context of electability, not entirely, but for the most part, and that I think really reflected where the concerns of the donor class are. Right now, it's like Oligarch on Oligarch violence as they try to like scrap over who's going to win out with this Joe Biden question, and it's pathetic.

George Stephanopoulos, I think enabled that perspective, because the vast majority of that interview, even when he was asking contact, even when he was asking questions about Biden's health, it was in the context of electability, not entirely, but for the most part, and that I think really reflected where the concerns of the donor class are. Right now, it's like Oligarch on Oligarch violence as they try to like scrap over who's going to win out with this Joe Biden question, and it's pathetic.

No, you're right, And just to get to Crystal's point about the decline, I mean, we have here a clip just from four years ago, guys, during a sixty minutes interview, and you can spot for yourself difference of when Biden was already an old man with questions around his age of what he looked like then versus now.

No, you're right, And just to get to Crystal's point about the decline, I mean, we have here a clip just from four years ago, guys, during a sixty minutes interview, and you can spot for yourself difference of when Biden was already an old man with questions around his age of what he looked like then versus now.

Let's take a listen.

Let's take a listen.

Nobody making less than four hundred thousand dollars will pay a penny more in tax under my proposal.

Nobody making less than four hundred thousand dollars will pay a penny more in tax under my proposal.

That's a promise.

That's a promise.

That's a guarantee, a promise, give you my word as a Biden that's an absolute guarantee.

That's a guarantee, a promise, give you my word as a Biden that's an absolute guarantee.

And you think it's a good idea to raise taxes when the economy's in dire straits.

And you think it's a good idea to raise taxes when the economy's in dire straits.

De penny who you're raising them on. Look, if you're raising somebody who's making a billion dollars a year, it's not a problem if they pay thirty nine point six percent, which everybody should pay, raising another ninety billion dollars.

De penny who you're raising them on. Look, if you're raising somebody who's making a billion dollars a year, it's not a problem if they pay thirty nine point six percent, which everybody should pay, raising another ninety billion dollars.

So there you go.

So there you go.

You can see it very clear as day.

You can see it very clear as day.

And we're also hearing from one of Biden's former press secretaries, Jen Saki on MSNBC. Even she the best she can muster is saying he didn't do a particularly good job and still asking questions about his candidacy.

And we're also hearing from one of Biden's former press secretaries, Jen Saki on MSNBC. Even she the best she can muster is saying he didn't do a particularly good job and still asking questions about his candidacy.

Let's take a listen to that.

Let's take a listen to that.

He also seemed at moments a little bit in denial about the state of the race, and maybe confidence was a strategy going to this project, confidence about the path forward, But it's also no ideal for people watching and looking for sign that he recognized.

He also seemed at moments a little bit in denial about the state of the race, and maybe confidence was a strategy going to this project, confidence about the path forward, But it's also no ideal for people watching and looking for sign that he recognized.

The difficulty of the path ahead.

The difficulty of the path ahead.

I mean, overall, when the interview ended, it left us all in this sort of purgatory for the moment. I mean, it was better than debate, not a home run at all, And even if it was a home run, one interview definitely doesn't have the capacity to change the perception out there of seventy two percent of voters according to CBS poll who did not believe that Biden has the mental or cognitive health to serve.

I mean, overall, when the interview ended, it left us all in this sort of purgatory for the moment. I mean, it was better than debate, not a home run at all, And even if it was a home run, one interview definitely doesn't have the capacity to change the perception out there of seventy two percent of voters according to CBS poll who did not believe that Biden has the mental or cognitive health to serve.

That's as kind as it can get, I think from them about how he didn't exactly lik a home It is not a home run, right.

That's as kind as it can get, I think from them about how he didn't exactly lik a home It is not a home run, right.

And abuse she's taken of course.

And abuse she's taken of course.

Really yeah, Well, we'll get to some of this with the media and the blue and on stuff, because the level of delusion also from the blue Maga crowd is something else to behold. But empirically, it is obvious that the debate, the subsequent fallout, the hiding campaign and all that has not really done anything to lay voters concerns, and if anything, most of the data is pointing in a totally different direction.

Really yeah, Well, we'll get to some of this with the media and the blue and on stuff, because the level of delusion also from the blue Maga crowd is something else to behold. But empirically, it is obvious that the debate, the subsequent fallout, the hiding campaign and all that has not really done anything to lay voters concerns, and if anything, most of the data is pointing in a totally different direction.

Let's put this up there on the screen.

Let's put this up there on the screen.

For example, we have from the New York Time Times in their latest poll that came out after the debate, Trump is widening the lead after the debate debacle. The likely voters are now going forty nine percent Trump to forty three percent Biden. I mean, even within the margin of air, Biden is decisively e looding losing to Trump. That likely voter number is very significant. Because those are the people again likely to show up to the election amongst registered voters. Just means like in general, how people are feeling about him. You've got forty nine percent Trump basically at the same number, and Biden actually drops to forty one. So you can see a little bit of overperformance with him with people who are likely to vote, which are disproportionately going to be more Democrat, affluent white suburbanites. Just you can see there post debate, Trump is up by six points in the Times Ciena poll amongst likely voters, nine points amongst the registered voters, and in the polling average maintains a Trump plus three advantage. That was only the second poll to show that what we see here from the Wall Street Journal is expanding the lead over by as his age worries grow, and we consistently see a significant amount of voters who are very worried about Biden's age, some eighty percent of voters saying that the incumbent is too old to run. So with all of his data, we have more you guys can reference Crystal. I mean, the data here is generally overwhelming. There are some contraindications of the Biden campaign is trying to point to.

For example, we have from the New York Time Times in their latest poll that came out after the debate, Trump is widening the lead after the debate debacle. The likely voters are now going forty nine percent Trump to forty three percent Biden. I mean, even within the margin of air, Biden is decisively e looding losing to Trump. That likely voter number is very significant. Because those are the people again likely to show up to the election amongst registered voters. Just means like in general, how people are feeling about him. You've got forty nine percent Trump basically at the same number, and Biden actually drops to forty one. So you can see a little bit of overperformance with him with people who are likely to vote, which are disproportionately going to be more Democrat, affluent white suburbanites. Just you can see there post debate, Trump is up by six points in the Times Ciena poll amongst likely voters, nine points amongst the registered voters, and in the polling average maintains a Trump plus three advantage. That was only the second poll to show that what we see here from the Wall Street Journal is expanding the lead over by as his age worries grow, and we consistently see a significant amount of voters who are very worried about Biden's age, some eighty percent of voters saying that the incumbent is too old to run. So with all of his data, we have more you guys can reference Crystal. I mean, the data here is generally overwhelming. There are some contraindications of the Biden campaign is trying to point to.

But I don't want to be in the business of pointing out to.

But I don't want to be in the business of pointing out to.

One out of twenty five different polls to show about why I may still have a chance.

One out of twenty five different polls to show about why I may still have a chance.

In the race.

In the race.

One of the things that I think it's Nate Cohen has been pointing out, is you could look at these poles and oh, we'll only move three points. But what's really happened is that they were already losing. Now they're losing worse, and there's a realization among Democrats that they don't have a plan or an ability to mount a comeback. This goes back to the Biden denialism in that manifest in that interview where he waves away. He gets the numbers wrong too. He's like, oh, well, the New Times they had me down by nine before the debate. These same people, he goes he says, these are not exactly these words, but these same people they had me losing to Trump last time. No they didn't, No, they didn't. I mean you remember we were there, Biden was ahead sometimes I double digit.

One of the things that I think it's Nate Cohen has been pointing out, is you could look at these poles and oh, we'll only move three points. But what's really happened is that they were already losing. Now they're losing worse, and there's a realization among Democrats that they don't have a plan or an ability to mount a comeback. This goes back to the Biden denialism in that manifest in that interview where he waves away. He gets the numbers wrong too. He's like, oh, well, the New Times they had me down by nine before the debate. These same people, he goes he says, these are not exactly these words, but these same people they had me losing to Trump last time. No they didn't, No, they didn't. I mean you remember we were there, Biden was ahead sometimes I double digit.

Seventeen points won in these poles.

Seventeen points won in these poles.

Goes on to dramatically underperform the polls, narrowly eke out a victory. So what Land were you living in there, because the rest of us were looking at poles that showed he was got a wall of Trump across the Midwest, across the country, et cetera. Instead, you know, it was coming down to the wire on election. We didn't know which way it was going to go. So the pole the poles over showed two good of a picture for Biden. Last timmer On, these same people were saying you were going to win in a landslide, and it ended up being extremely close. So Trump has never in any of his campaigns held this kind of He has never held this kind of leak.

Goes on to dramatically underperform the polls, narrowly eke out a victory. So what Land were you living in there, because the rest of us were looking at poles that showed he was got a wall of Trump across the Midwest, across the country, et cetera. Instead, you know, it was coming down to the wire on election. We didn't know which way it was going to go. So the pole the poles over showed two good of a picture for Biden. Last timmer On, these same people were saying you were going to win in a landslide, and it ended up being extremely close. So Trump has never in any of his campaigns held this kind of He has never held this kind of leak.

This is creeping into mechan Obama territory. Actually, I have the historical margins posted like I've pulled them up right here, like this is this.

This is creeping into mechan Obama territory. Actually, I have the historical margins posted like I've pulled them up right here, like this is this.

Is not something we've seen in a long time.

Is not something we've seen in a long time.

Well, and Emily and Ryan, you guys were both mentioning that there's reporting now we were looking at the decline between this interview and the interview just in twenty twenty, when again there were already questions from Julian Castro on the stage saying, hey, do you even remember what you just said to me? And there were big questions about his age and ability then but how much more with it he was in his physical appearance. There's now reports that there was a Parkinson's specialist who came along with his personal physician to the White House, And this is the corner of the White House visitor logs, what ten times.

Well, and Emily and Ryan, you guys were both mentioning that there's reporting now we were looking at the decline between this interview and the interview just in twenty twenty, when again there were already questions from Julian Castro on the stage saying, hey, do you even remember what you just said to me? And there were big questions about his age and ability then but how much more with it he was in his physical appearance. There's now reports that there was a Parkinson's specialist who came along with his personal physician to the White House, And this is the corner of the White House visitor logs, what ten times.

A couple of year twenty twenty two, several times just in the last about six months. A Parkinson specialist Alexperience and I think first had this on his substack, but it's been confirmed by other news outlets since the New York Post had it first. But Parkinson specialist that Walter Reed has been visiting Biden's personal physician, Kevin O'Connor at the White House looks like nine to ten times since twenty twenty two alone.

A couple of year twenty twenty two, several times just in the last about six months. A Parkinson specialist Alexperience and I think first had this on his substack, but it's been confirmed by other news outlets since the New York Post had it first. But Parkinson specialist that Walter Reed has been visiting Biden's personal physician, Kevin O'Connor at the White House looks like nine to ten times since twenty twenty two alone.

Yeah, and Ryan speak a little bit to what that means, because I think it's one thing, it's still wildly inexcusable. If they just have their heads buried in sand, they think he's fine, more or less they don't know that there's an actual diagnosis, Versus if they do know there's a diagnosis and they're hiding it from the American people, that level of scandal is world historic.

Yeah, and Ryan speak a little bit to what that means, because I think it's one thing, it's still wildly inexcusable. If they just have their heads buried in sand, they think he's fine, more or less they don't know that there's an actual diagnosis, Versus if they do know there's a diagnosis and they're hiding it from the American people, that level of scandal is world historic.

And at minimum it would suggest that they knew there was at least another symptomatic expression.

And at minimum it would suggest that they knew there was at least another symptomatic expression.

That if you never diagnosed it, there's nothing to report.

That if you never diagnosed it, there's nothing to report.

Yes, right, parkins is Apparently it's not the kind of thing. There's apparently one skin test or something that Johns Hopkins does, but it's not very like widely used at this point, and who knows how reliable is Parkson's is the kind of thing where it's kind of a symptomatic diagnosis. You look at it and you say, okay, you've got these six things. Yeah, I declare that you have it, like there's no like, it's not a blood test where the two lines turn up and you're like, oh, Parkinson.

Yes, right, parkins is Apparently it's not the kind of thing. There's apparently one skin test or something that Johns Hopkins does, but it's not very like widely used at this point, and who knows how reliable is Parkson's is the kind of thing where it's kind of a symptomatic diagnosis. You look at it and you say, okay, you've got these six things. Yeah, I declare that you have it, like there's no like, it's not a blood test where the two lines turn up and you're like, oh, Parkinson.

It's more like, it appears you have this. We're going to treat it the way we would treat it if you respond exactly.

It's more like, it appears you have this. We're going to treat it the way we would treat it if you respond exactly.

And all of the Parkinson specialists who have spoken publicly have said, like, the symptoms that he's expressing are the kinds where you would go for that further kind of testing and treatment. So it appears like that is what happened. Unless there's some extraordinary coincidence that has this Parkinson specialist going to the White House meeting multiple times.

And all of the Parkinson specialists who have spoken publicly have said, like, the symptoms that he's expressing are the kinds where you would go for that further kind of testing and treatment. So it appears like that is what happened. Unless there's some extraordinary coincidence that has this Parkinson specialist going to the White House meeting multiple times.

Maybe he's just very interested in donating Parkinson's research, I mean Parkinson last week.

Maybe he's just very interested in donating Parkinson's research, I mean Parkinson last week.

The way that they the way that this always goes down is that they never officially diagnose it. They have the two step you know, removed where the physician is with Biden and then the physician consults with the specialists and then you know, because of the way that laws, hippa and all that other stuff works, Like unless he allows like a over like a different report than whatever currently comes out and shows like the medical notes, which they never will allow to come out, then we're not actually going to know about what the physical symptoms are looking like.

The way that they the way that this always goes down is that they never officially diagnose it. They have the two step you know, removed where the physician is with Biden and then the physician consults with the specialists and then you know, because of the way that laws, hippa and all that other stuff works, Like unless he allows like a over like a different report than whatever currently comes out and shows like the medical notes, which they never will allow to come out, then we're not actually going to know about what the physical symptoms are looking like.

Right, Yeah, it's a Crystal's point.

Right, Yeah, it's a Crystal's point.

The overlaying scandal would be the medical report that does go into detail about Parkinson's and expressly rules it.

The overlaying scandal would be the medical report that does go into detail about Parkinson's and expressly rules it.

Out quote no findings which would be consistent with Parkinson's rights.

Out quote no findings which would be consistent with Parkinson's rights.

Again, can be drigged in very different ways in different notes. If you have a concern this, But the way you think the doctor is not an idiot, like he knows he's like, well, if I don't write it.

Again, can be drigged in very different ways in different notes. If you have a concern this, But the way you think the doctor is not an idiot, like he knows he's like, well, if I don't write it.

Down, it doesn't exist.

Down, it doesn't exist.

So but you know, maybe I'll have a conversation with my buddy, have him over here, because he at the same time is concerned about well, hopefully concerned about the state of the nation, but crystally right. I mean, that would be one of the biggest health scandals in the history of the American president, probably the biggest since Woodrow Wilson and Edith who I think Joe Biden is the modern Edith Wilson.

So but you know, maybe I'll have a conversation with my buddy, have him over here, because he at the same time is concerned about well, hopefully concerned about the state of the nation, but crystally right. I mean, that would be one of the biggest health scandals in the history of the American president, probably the biggest since Woodrow Wilson and Edith who I think Joe Biden is the modern Edith Wilson.

What a hellaen, what a villain?

What a hellaen, what a villain?

I mean?

I mean?

And that really as a wife and a mother and you know someone who also was an elderly parents who are watching it like she doesn't care about this man, Yeah, obviously, because why would you imagine putting your loved one out there on the debate stage to be humiliated the way she and Hunter and whoever else are the close Biden aid Donellan and these people are. They like running the country right now. They are running the country, and they like that and they don't want that to change. So they will prop him up. They will deny, they will cover up, they will keep him shielded as they have been. And we'll get to the press's complicity here in a moment, because all the red flags were there that he's not doing interviews, he's not doing press conferences. He goes to meet with the G seven leaders and they're like, oh my god, this is incredible disaster. The donors are telling you he can't speak on his own without a telepropter, even for six minutes. And yet there's still oh, the cheap fake videos and they're being altered and this is a right wing narrative, etcetera, etcetera. Extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary, the way that we were gas lit by the press in the tight grip that his aides want to hold onto power because again we didn't nobody voted for them to be in office. And yet outside of foreign policy, where I think Biden does unfortunately stubbornly hold on to the reins with utterly disastrous results. On domestic policy, they are running the country and they do not want.

And that really as a wife and a mother and you know someone who also was an elderly parents who are watching it like she doesn't care about this man, Yeah, obviously, because why would you imagine putting your loved one out there on the debate stage to be humiliated the way she and Hunter and whoever else are the close Biden aid Donellan and these people are. They like running the country right now. They are running the country, and they like that and they don't want that to change. So they will prop him up. They will deny, they will cover up, they will keep him shielded as they have been. And we'll get to the press's complicity here in a moment, because all the red flags were there that he's not doing interviews, he's not doing press conferences. He goes to meet with the G seven leaders and they're like, oh my god, this is incredible disaster. The donors are telling you he can't speak on his own without a telepropter, even for six minutes. And yet there's still oh, the cheap fake videos and they're being altered and this is a right wing narrative, etcetera, etcetera. Extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary, the way that we were gas lit by the press in the tight grip that his aides want to hold onto power because again we didn't nobody voted for them to be in office. And yet outside of foreign policy, where I think Biden does unfortunately stubbornly hold on to the reins with utterly disastrous results. On domestic policy, they are running the country and they do not want.

To let that power go. To that point, let's get to the Washington Post story.

To let that power go. To that point, let's get to the Washington Post story.

So potentially the most consequential story that we are all watching to see how it unfolds this week is Congress is going to be back, and there has been a significant uptick in the number of Biden Democratic defections. Even someone like Adam Schiff, who has been a staunch ally of leadership and certainly of President Biden, sounding some alarms over the weekend. Let's take a listen to that.

So potentially the most consequential story that we are all watching to see how it unfolds this week is Congress is going to be back, and there has been a significant uptick in the number of Biden Democratic defections. Even someone like Adam Schiff, who has been a staunch ally of leadership and certainly of President Biden, sounding some alarms over the weekend. Let's take a listen to that.

The performance on the debate stage, I think rightfully raised questions among the American people about whether the president has the vigor to defeat Donald Trump. And this is an existential race. Given Joe Biden's incredible record, given Donald Trump's terrible record, he should be mopping the floor with Donald Trump. Joe Biden is running against a criminal. It should not be even close. And there's only one reason it is close, and that's the president's age. And what I would say, Kristen, what I would advise the president is seek out the opinions of people you trust. He's obviously talked to his family about this and that's important, but he should seek out people with some distance and objectivity. He should seek out posters who are not his own posters. He should take a moment to make the best informed judgment, and if the judgment is run, then run hard and beat that.

The performance on the debate stage, I think rightfully raised questions among the American people about whether the president has the vigor to defeat Donald Trump. And this is an existential race. Given Joe Biden's incredible record, given Donald Trump's terrible record, he should be mopping the floor with Donald Trump. Joe Biden is running against a criminal. It should not be even close. And there's only one reason it is close, and that's the president's age. And what I would say, Kristen, what I would advise the president is seek out the opinions of people you trust. He's obviously talked to his family about this and that's important, but he should seek out people with some distance and objectivity. He should seek out posters who are not his own posters. He should take a moment to make the best informed judgment, and if the judgment is run, then run hard and beat that.

Sob very noteworthy comments. There were fortune to be joined this morning by Dave Weigel. He is a reporter for Semaphore to talk about whether the Democratic dam is going to break this week. Great to see you, Dave.

Sob very noteworthy comments. There were fortune to be joined this morning by Dave Weigel. He is a reporter for Semaphore to talk about whether the Democratic dam is going to break this week. Great to see you, Dave.

Good to be here. Thank you.

Good to be here. Thank you.

So, what are your expectations as we move into this consequential week.

So, what are your expectations as we move into this consequential week.

Well, in the next few hours, House Democrats and House Republicans are going to come back to work. They're going to be in hallways with reporters looking for them, and they're going to be asked what they think of Biden. I think you're actually going to get a mix of opinion. That's been clear over the last few weeks. And I talked to a couple of Democrats who were at home all recess, some were traveling somewhere at home, and they said there was a discrepancy when they were in more affluent parts of their distance is not universals, just a couple of people. When they're more affluent parts of their district, they were hearing Biden needs to go. When they were in more working class parts of their district, they were stand with Biden. I think that was a little bit probably self serving, and what I heard from Democrats, but I heard it from a few, And that's clearly what Biden's trying to do right now is campaign in black communities of black churches, look to the sort of Democratic voters that gave him the nomination, and recast this as a.

Well, in the next few hours, House Democrats and House Republicans are going to come back to work. They're going to be in hallways with reporters looking for them, and they're going to be asked what they think of Biden. I think you're actually going to get a mix of opinion. That's been clear over the last few weeks. And I talked to a couple of Democrats who were at home all recess, some were traveling somewhere at home, and they said there was a discrepancy when they were in more affluent parts of their distance is not universals, just a couple of people. When they're more affluent parts of their district, they were hearing Biden needs to go. When they were in more working class parts of their district, they were stand with Biden. I think that was a little bit probably self serving, and what I heard from Democrats, but I heard it from a few, And that's clearly what Biden's trying to do right now is campaign in black communities of black churches, look to the sort of Democratic voters that gave him the nomination, and recast this as a.

Saw as to elite effort to get him off the ballot that is not supported by the bulk of the party.

Saw as to elite effort to get him off the ballot that is not supported by the bulk of the party.

Dave, I want to ask you about that, because Cedric Richmond actually outright racialized this just in the last twenty four to forty eight hours, saying he found it interesting that no Black House Democrats had called for Biden to step down. Can you just speak to a little bit about how cynical is that versus how real is that? Is this really a very cynical way for Biden to sort of maintain his grip on power, or is there perhaps truth, especially when you combine it with the class dynamics that you just mentioned. We're hearing from some Biden defenders recently as well.

Dave, I want to ask you about that, because Cedric Richmond actually outright racialized this just in the last twenty four to forty eight hours, saying he found it interesting that no Black House Democrats had called for Biden to step down. Can you just speak to a little bit about how cynical is that versus how real is that? Is this really a very cynical way for Biden to sort of maintain his grip on power, or is there perhaps truth, especially when you combine it with the class dynamics that you just mentioned. We're hearing from some Biden defenders recently as well.

Well, it's cynical, but it is taking an opportunity presented by some of the more pigh in the sky donors who have the ear of journalists and are proposing a blitz convention or a mini convention, coming up with different ways to say we want Biden gone, but we don't want the black kingal.

Well, it's cynical, but it is taking an opportunity presented by some of the more pigh in the sky donors who have the ear of journalists and are proposing a blitz convention or a mini convention, coming up with different ways to say we want Biden gone, but we don't want the black kingal.

Vice president to take take over.

Vice president to take take over.

That would be the awkward to for Richmond say what he was saying in a context for everyone agreed that next in line is Kamala Harris I Biden has said, can fly by a pickingers ready for the job, and instead you can see what they're doing is recasting this as a bunch of people who don't understand Democratic Party politics trying to impose their will on the black, non non white voter base of the party. It is a little cynical. It's also that's not how Biden won in twenty twenty. He ran as a broadcast candidate who appealed to the whole party and as much of the country as possible, not as the candidate of the faction of the Democratic Party.

That would be the awkward to for Richmond say what he was saying in a context for everyone agreed that next in line is Kamala Harris I Biden has said, can fly by a pickingers ready for the job, and instead you can see what they're doing is recasting this as a bunch of people who don't understand Democratic Party politics trying to impose their will on the black, non non white voter base of the party. It is a little cynical. It's also that's not how Biden won in twenty twenty. He ran as a broadcast candidate who appealed to the whole party and as much of the country as possible, not as the candidate of the faction of the Democratic Party.

So it is a little cynical. And you have not seen that.

So it is a little cynical. And you have not seen that.

Look at the makeup of the CBC, look at even progressives in the CBC. One thing in private, Ryan not to put him on the spot, knows more about this. But there has been some reluctance by elected progressives to go after Biden, to make it look like a polarized I have.

Look at the makeup of the CBC, look at even progressives in the CBC. One thing in private, Ryan not to put him on the spot, knows more about this. But there has been some reluctance by elected progressives to go after Biden, to make it look like a polarized I have.

An ideological right with the guy. We always have.

An ideological right with the guy. We always have.

Bernie Sanders have been very supportive of Biden running and by interview with him and then his interview.

Bernie Sanders have been very supportive of Biden running and by interview with him and then his interview.

I was on Sunday.

I was on Sunday.

So they're really trying to isolate a different facts of the party. They don't like him, and some of them are going along with the teacher.

So they're really trying to isolate a different facts of the party. They don't like him, and some of them are going along with the teacher.

Yeah, Dave, we have some interesting new reporting multiple news outlets. We can put this one up there on the screen. CNN had a pretty detailed right up here of Hakeem Jefferies convening a call yesterday where we had some four Democrats who actually vocally opposed Joe Biden, including Mark Takano, Adam Smith, Jim Hines, Joe Morell, Jerry Nadler, and Susan Wild. Jerry Nadler, I believe one of the highest ranking folks are at least most well known, especially amongst Democrats, actually vocally oppose him in this call. How do you expect that to play out this week on Capitol Hill? Are they going to come out with statements like we've seen from some members or they can keep it behind the scenes like it appears Representative Don Byer did.

Yeah, Dave, we have some interesting new reporting multiple news outlets. We can put this one up there on the screen. CNN had a pretty detailed right up here of Hakeem Jefferies convening a call yesterday where we had some four Democrats who actually vocally opposed Joe Biden, including Mark Takano, Adam Smith, Jim Hines, Joe Morell, Jerry Nadler, and Susan Wild. Jerry Nadler, I believe one of the highest ranking folks are at least most well known, especially amongst Democrats, actually vocally oppose him in this call. How do you expect that to play out this week on Capitol Hill? Are they going to come out with statements like we've seen from some members or they can keep it behind the scenes like it appears Representative Don Byer did.

How do you think that's going to happen?

How do you think that's going to happen?

Well, you saw the Buyer's statement is really telling because Buyer on the call and people to describe when he said verbato and I confirm it on the call, was very nervous about Biden.

Well, you saw the Buyer's statement is really telling because Buyer on the call and people to describe when he said verbato and I confirm it on the call, was very nervous about Biden.

We actually we can, sorry, Dave, we can put those comments up on the screen. Since you're representing put the five up guys while you're talking, we can we can take a look at those because on the call he was he said he's very, very fragile. His handshake is firm, but he really has trouble putting two sentences together. I believe Kama is in a great position to win, better position than Joe. My perfect world is Joe steps aside. Now, let's Kamla run as the incumbent. But once these comments came out, then he ran away from them at a million miles per hour.

We actually we can, sorry, Dave, we can put those comments up on the screen. Since you're representing put the five up guys while you're talking, we can we can take a look at those because on the call he was he said he's very, very fragile. His handshake is firm, but he really has trouble putting two sentences together. I believe Kama is in a great position to win, better position than Joe. My perfect world is Joe steps aside. Now, let's Kamla run as the incumbent. But once these comments came out, then he ran away from them at a million miles per hour.

Yeah, you could hear the flop sweat splashing off of the follow the cleanup comment. And I don't think many Democrats want to embarrass themselves that way. You saw what happened with Mark Warner's meeting. It was leaf that he was going to meet with senators about this, and then that meeting is not going. It happened, though, doesn't mean a different kind of meeting won't happen. But there's not the constant. I think what people what people who wanted Biden gone were trying to will into the existence was a new version of the sort of Watergate mythos where Republican senators went to Nixon and told him his position was untenable. Remember Nixon's position being untenable in a Democratic majority House and Senate was with the one dimocrats face. Now that happens a lot with Democratic elite, so they say, well this I saw this in a history book, where I saw this in the West wing that effort. It doesn't matter if Biden himself is convinced that his family's convinced that he is still in the position to win. And the way he framed things in his CBC News interview.

Yeah, you could hear the flop sweat splashing off of the follow the cleanup comment. And I don't think many Democrats want to embarrass themselves that way. You saw what happened with Mark Warner's meeting. It was leaf that he was going to meet with senators about this, and then that meeting is not going. It happened, though, doesn't mean a different kind of meeting won't happen. But there's not the constant. I think what people what people who wanted Biden gone were trying to will into the existence was a new version of the sort of Watergate mythos where Republican senators went to Nixon and told him his position was untenable. Remember Nixon's position being untenable in a Democratic majority House and Senate was with the one dimocrats face. Now that happens a lot with Democratic elite, so they say, well this I saw this in a history book, where I saw this in the West wing that effort. It doesn't matter if Biden himself is convinced that his family's convinced that he is still in the position to win. And the way he framed things in his CBC News interview.

Was, look at my record.

Was, look at my record.

No one else, no one else could have beat from no one else could have done this. He's just not leaving any room to be helpful to the vice president, and I really think the conversation should focus on the vice president. The rest of this clearly has been I wouldn't say a strategic are because I didn't see uch strategy behind it, but the idea of just replacing Biden with TVD popular candidate, I do think that has been helpful to Biden, making it look like a bunch of elites who don't know the party, or trying to make us again this. It's a version of what happened in twenty nineteen where Michae Bloomberberg and Tom Steyer decided they know I've better everybody and something in the race, but what do you hear from professional Democrats? It will be a mix, And so in procedurally, not many members were in town last week A letter boarders were texting the same people. They were being cautious, they wanted to stay off the record. Who is willing to go in front of a camera today or face Manu Raju in the halls or the many Mono rush who saw in the Capitol and say the same thing. I think what you're going to see is a mix of opinion and Democrats dueling in the White House to the White House with Biden in his circle pointing to the people who are defending them, and Richmond previewed it pointing to the people who are not elite members of Congress from I think shift's going to be a senator but as a member of Congress from a very kind.

No one else, no one else could have beat from no one else could have done this. He's just not leaving any room to be helpful to the vice president, and I really think the conversation should focus on the vice president. The rest of this clearly has been I wouldn't say a strategic are because I didn't see uch strategy behind it, but the idea of just replacing Biden with TVD popular candidate, I do think that has been helpful to Biden, making it look like a bunch of elites who don't know the party, or trying to make us again this. It's a version of what happened in twenty nineteen where Michae Bloomberberg and Tom Steyer decided they know I've better everybody and something in the race, but what do you hear from professional Democrats? It will be a mix, And so in procedurally, not many members were in town last week A letter boarders were texting the same people. They were being cautious, they wanted to stay off the record. Who is willing to go in front of a camera today or face Manu Raju in the halls or the many Mono rush who saw in the Capitol and say the same thing. I think what you're going to see is a mix of opinion and Democrats dueling in the White House to the White House with Biden in his circle pointing to the people who are defending them, and Richmond previewed it pointing to the people who are not elite members of Congress from I think shift's going to be a senator but as a member of Congress from a very kind.

Of elite tony part of LA. They're going to point to the.

Of elite tony part of LA. They're going to point to the.

Members from more working class districts and say, after all that here's some sound that people defending Joe Biden, because that's what you're you're missing is just weren't getting members on camera saying I defend this president. So I think there'll be a mix of opinion and the White House in a good position to accentuate the pro Biden opinion.

Members from more working class districts and say, after all that here's some sound that people defending Joe Biden, because that's what you're you're missing is just weren't getting members on camera saying I defend this president. So I think there'll be a mix of opinion and the White House in a good position to accentuate the pro Biden opinion.

What's your sense of where the Washington conventional wisdom needle is at on whether or not Biden's going to drop out? Like d the last week, it was like he was. It was like a death watch, like everybody seemed convinced that any minute you were going to get that news alert that the guy has said he's dropping out. That needles, from my sense, seems to have moved back a little bit. But from the people you're talking to, what do they think is going to happen?