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There was a massive crackdown on pro Palestime protesters on campuses across.

There was a massive crackdown on pro Palestime protesters on campuses across.

The country, by pro Israel demonstrators.

The country, by pro Israel demonstrators.

Out at UCLA and by pro Israel proxies NYPD over at Columbia University. We're going to unpack all of that, Emily. What else we've got today? Oh, we've got mugs.

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Get to us. Well, it'll go to unions and US workers.

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That's true. So good middlemen, well organized middlemen. Good for them.

That's true. So good middlemen, well organized middlemen. Good for them.

We're going to talk about the Trump interview at Time Magazine. He has just an incredible ability to continue to make himself look bad in these interviews, put out positions that are just contrary to what the general public once.

We're going to talk about the Trump interview at Time Magazine. He has just an incredible ability to continue to make himself look bad in these interviews, put out positions that are just contrary to what the general public once.

We're going to unpack a bunch of that. Is that an accurate reading.

We're going to unpack a bunch of that. Is that an accurate reading.

He's also really good at making journalists look bad, so like while he's making himself look bad. Yeah, it's ever one.

He's also really good at making journalists look bad, so like while he's making himself look bad. Yeah, it's ever one.

Also, Joe Biden is moving to reschedule marijuana from Schedule one to Schedule three. We'll talk about when that's going to happen and what the implications of it are. Democrats are teaming up with Mike Johnson to make sure that there's no more drama around the speaker's race. They've announced that they will support him if Marjorie Taylor Green goes forward with her motion to vacate the chair so it would be tabled in a massive down vote for MTG. Weird development, interesting kind of uniparty in Congress Proud and then a friend of yours, author of Pagan America.

Also, Joe Biden is moving to reschedule marijuana from Schedule one to Schedule three. We'll talk about when that's going to happen and what the implications of it are. Democrats are teaming up with Mike Johnson to make sure that there's no more drama around the speaker's race. They've announced that they will support him if Marjorie Taylor Green goes forward with her motion to vacate the chair so it would be tabled in a massive down vote for MTG. Weird development, interesting kind of uniparty in Congress Proud and then a friend of yours, author of Pagan America.

Hagan America, which is what Ryan always says. Serious, this pagan.

Hagan America, which is what Ryan always says. Serious, this pagan.

America, cribbing my America.

America, cribbing my America.

Yes, right, it's America. But yeah, it'll be interested to hear some from the right. And John's got a super interesting new book out that we can talk about.

Yes, right, it's America. But yeah, it'll be interested to hear some from the right. And John's got a super interesting new book out that we can talk about.

Ryan.

Ryan.

Some days we say we have a really big show, but we're just kind of saying that for the hell of it to have something to say. Today, we have a big never love, we would never lie. But you know it every shows a big show, of course, but this is really a big show. Because footage continues to roll in, like by the minute from these campuses. They were wild overnight. UCLA in particular, erupted into violent clashes last night with NYPD cleared out the Columbia encampment and the barricades. Let's start there.

Some days we say we have a really big show, but we're just kind of saying that for the hell of it to have something to say. Today, we have a big never love, we would never lie. But you know it every shows a big show, of course, but this is really a big show. Because footage continues to roll in, like by the minute from these campuses. They were wild overnight. UCLA in particular, erupted into violent clashes last night with NYPD cleared out the Columbia encampment and the barricades. Let's start there.

Yeah, so Columbia University.

Yeah, so Columbia University.

After the university attempted to clear out the encampment, there what protesters called an autonomous group of mostly students and some faculty occupied Hamilton Hall, which was the site of an ocy. We can roll some of this footage here, which is the site of the famous occupation in nineteen sixty eight by anti Vietnam War protesters. They renamed it hind Hall for the six year old Hindri Yab, who was the girl that many of you probably remember. She made the desperate, harrowing phone call to rescue workers saying that her entire family had been killed by the IDF and she was begging them to.

After the university attempted to clear out the encampment, there what protesters called an autonomous group of mostly students and some faculty occupied Hamilton Hall, which was the site of an ocy. We can roll some of this footage here, which is the site of the famous occupation in nineteen sixty eight by anti Vietnam War protesters. They renamed it hind Hall for the six year old Hindri Yab, who was the girl that many of you probably remember. She made the desperate, harrowing phone call to rescue workers saying that her entire family had been killed by the IDF and she was begging them to.

Rescue her before it got dark. To rescue.

Rescue her before it got dark. To rescue.

Rescue workers were sent out to her as the world was kind of captivated by this intense situation. They'd learned only days later that the IDF had actually attacked the car again and attacked the rest workers and she had died. So the protesters renamed Hamilton Hall, named for Alexander Hamilton, hind Hall. Last night, a called a bear Mars mobile accessibility ramp system or something like that.

Rescue workers were sent out to her as the world was kind of captivated by this intense situation. They'd learned only days later that the IDF had actually attacked the car again and attacked the rest workers and she had died. So the protesters renamed Hamilton Hall, named for Alexander Hamilton, hind Hall. Last night, a called a bear Mars mobile accessibility ramp system or something like that.

You just saw this on your screen. In fact, it was that big truck.

You just saw this on your screen. In fact, it was that big truck.

Like rolled up to the huge equipment from like a medieval or.

Like rolled up to the huge equipment from like a medieval or.

From a highly industrial era where they have like an actual from what you saw on your screen, speaking of captivating, was NYPD walking up this sort of how would you even describe it? Like a ramp that's on top of the truck into the window of the building, and the other thing you saw on your screen there was a violent clash outside the hall as the protesters sort of tried to form human barricades to prevent the police from going in and clearing out the encampment that was sort of set up inside of the hall that you mentioned Ryan, that had been you know, everyone was seen by now the videos of the chairs being stacked in front of the doors and the students and other protesters formed the human chain. So you had NYPD going into the window several stories up, and then you had them also trying to clear people from that sort of human chain system at the bottom of the building. And that's what was unfolding at Columbia last night.

From a highly industrial era where they have like an actual from what you saw on your screen, speaking of captivating, was NYPD walking up this sort of how would you even describe it? Like a ramp that's on top of the truck into the window of the building, and the other thing you saw on your screen there was a violent clash outside the hall as the protesters sort of tried to form human barricades to prevent the police from going in and clearing out the encampment that was sort of set up inside of the hall that you mentioned Ryan, that had been you know, everyone was seen by now the videos of the chairs being stacked in front of the doors and the students and other protesters formed the human chain. So you had NYPD going into the window several stories up, and then you had them also trying to clear people from that sort of human chain system at the bottom of the building. And that's what was unfolding at Columbia last night.

And then so if people were following along on the Guardians live blog, for instance, they shut.

And then so if people were following along on the Guardians live blog, for instance, they shut.

It down for the night.

It down for the night.

They said, all right, everybody's been arrested, and the Columbia University is asking the NYPD to stay on campus effectively through the middle of May so that they can have their graduation. About an hour later, live blogs around the world popped back up because we can roll this here. Pro Israel rioters at UCLA began attacking the encampment at the University of California, Los Angeles.

They said, all right, everybody's been arrested, and the Columbia University is asking the NYPD to stay on campus effectively through the middle of May so that they can have their graduation. About an hour later, live blogs around the world popped back up because we can roll this here. Pro Israel rioters at UCLA began attacking the encampment at the University of California, Los Angeles.

We have footage of that here if we want to roll some of that.

We have footage of that here if we want to roll some of that.

Approaching plan beyond that, there's nobody else.

Approaching plan beyond that, there's nobody else.

In some of that footage. You may or may not have been able to hear it.

In some of that footage. You may or may not have been able to hear it.

The pro Israel mob was shouting at the one at the one guy outside the barricades there, you're by yourself. Right after they shouted your you're by yourself, several of them grab him, drag him out and start beating him rather rather mercilessly. Are also emerged footage of pro Israel protesters yelling at a woman. They yelled, you stand no chance, old lady. Let's roll that clip and you also heard f you old lady.

The pro Israel mob was shouting at the one at the one guy outside the barricades there, you're by yourself. Right after they shouted your you're by yourself, several of them grab him, drag him out and start beating him rather rather mercilessly. Are also emerged footage of pro Israel protesters yelling at a woman. They yelled, you stand no chance, old lady. Let's roll that clip and you also heard f you old lady.

Yeah, And there's photos actually also the fireworks there. Take note, I mean people just saw people launching fireworks into the encampment was a really dangerous thing to do. There's an image that someone, a photographer for the AFP, took of one of the counter protesters actually throwing a barricade or looking to throw a barricade in the direction of some people. You can see how completely dangerous this is. Now you may be wondering who these people are. We're wondering actually the exact same question. The protest group, the Ante Israel protest group on campus says, these are quote Zionist aggressors I'm reading from the NBC News lifelog here, who are not UCLA students that have been quote incessantly verbally and physically harassing us, violently trying to storm the camp and threatening us with weapons. Another update just this morning, the University of Arizona late yesterday that they responded to a quote unlawful assembly on campus by deploying a quote chemical irtant munitions or chemical irritant munitions. So there are forty Yes, that's probably a tear gresser of pepper ball type situation, but there are forty of these encampments more than that spread out around the country. And so this question about UCLA. If you now have you know, as they describe them as quote Zionist aggressors, if you now have counter protesters starting to come into these demonstrations, you have LAPD, you have NYPD in some of the schools in the bigger cities. This is a recipe for serious danger right now. That's I shouldn't say flourishing, but really it is flourishing, starting to spread, proliferate around campuses.

Yeah, And there's photos actually also the fireworks there. Take note, I mean people just saw people launching fireworks into the encampment was a really dangerous thing to do. There's an image that someone, a photographer for the AFP, took of one of the counter protesters actually throwing a barricade or looking to throw a barricade in the direction of some people. You can see how completely dangerous this is. Now you may be wondering who these people are. We're wondering actually the exact same question. The protest group, the Ante Israel protest group on campus says, these are quote Zionist aggressors I'm reading from the NBC News lifelog here, who are not UCLA students that have been quote incessantly verbally and physically harassing us, violently trying to storm the camp and threatening us with weapons. Another update just this morning, the University of Arizona late yesterday that they responded to a quote unlawful assembly on campus by deploying a quote chemical irtant munitions or chemical irritant munitions. So there are forty Yes, that's probably a tear gresser of pepper ball type situation, but there are forty of these encampments more than that spread out around the country. And so this question about UCLA. If you now have you know, as they describe them as quote Zionist aggressors, if you now have counter protesters starting to come into these demonstrations, you have LAPD, you have NYPD in some of the schools in the bigger cities. This is a recipe for serious danger right now. That's I shouldn't say flourishing, but really it is flourishing, starting to spread, proliferate around campuses.

Yeah, and whether their students are not Zionist digressors probably is objectively true, like they're Zionists and.

Yeah, and whether their students are not Zionist digressors probably is objectively true, like they're Zionists and.

They're being aggressive. Yes, they might not even take issue with that description.

They're being aggressive. Yes, they might not even take issue with that description.

It's just flatly true.

It's just flatly true.

But we don't know who they are, we don't know whether they're students. And this was similar actually to just last week when we were talking to Sofia Selfia, a student in the Colombia encampment who joined uslide from the broadcast. Even they are having a hard time determining who the sort of pro Palestine demonstrators are in some cases, whether they're students or when you're in a big city, it's just very easy for members of the community and hangers on to sow chaos.

But we don't know who they are, we don't know whether they're students. And this was similar actually to just last week when we were talking to Sofia Selfia, a student in the Colombia encampment who joined uslide from the broadcast. Even they are having a hard time determining who the sort of pro Palestine demonstrators are in some cases, whether they're students or when you're in a big city, it's just very easy for members of the community and hangers on to sow chaos.

Yeah, it's worth talking about the rhetoric that helped lead to this. We can put up this next element, the statement from President Biden that was put out just yesterday morning, Echoing some of his other statements. He said, President Biden has stood against repugnant anti Semitic smears and violent rhetoric his entire life. He condemns the use of the term antifada, as he has the other tragic and dangerous hate speech displayed in recent days. President Biden respects the right to free expression, but protests must be peaceful and lawful. Forcibly, taking over buildings is not peaceful, it is wrong, and hate speech and hate symbols have no place in America. Anti Fada, by the way, is an Arabic term for the uprising uh and it can It can mean violent or non violent, just just as uprising can be an up and uprising in English can be either violent or non violent. Somebody pointed out that the Holocaust Museum, in its Arabic translation, refers to the warsaw antifada.

Yeah, it's worth talking about the rhetoric that helped lead to this. We can put up this next element, the statement from President Biden that was put out just yesterday morning, Echoing some of his other statements. He said, President Biden has stood against repugnant anti Semitic smears and violent rhetoric his entire life. He condemns the use of the term antifada, as he has the other tragic and dangerous hate speech displayed in recent days. President Biden respects the right to free expression, but protests must be peaceful and lawful. Forcibly, taking over buildings is not peaceful, it is wrong, and hate speech and hate symbols have no place in America. Anti Fada, by the way, is an Arabic term for the uprising uh and it can It can mean violent or non violent, just just as uprising can be an up and uprising in English can be either violent or non violent. Somebody pointed out that the Holocaust Museum, in its Arabic translation, refers to the warsaw antifada.

It's an uprising.

It's an uprising.

So there's nothing, you know, there's nothing inherently violent about the word antifada. There's definitely nothing inherently anti Semitic about it. There are many people who receive that connotation, you know, when when they hear it.

So there's nothing, you know, there's nothing inherently violent about the word antifada. There's definitely nothing inherently anti Semitic about it. There are many people who receive that connotation, you know, when when they hear it.

But this is because it's used in.

But this is because it's used in.

Because the second Antifada did include you know, suicide bombings and and and serious violence, and that's the one that that most people are familiar with, rather than the kind of the term itself.

Because the second Antifada did include you know, suicide bombings and and and serious violence, and that's the one that that most people are familiar with, rather than the kind of the term itself.

But this is not the first time.

But this is not the first time.

Biden in the White House, you know, have have condemned these these protests in a blanket way as anti semitic. And so you can read this to me as a green light both to the NYP to do what they did at Colombia and also to the pro Israel mob and UCLA to do what they did. He has just just like the US in the kind of Israel Palestine conflict.

Biden in the White House, you know, have have condemned these these protests in a blanket way as anti semitic. And so you can read this to me as a green light both to the NYP to do what they did at Colombia and also to the pro Israel mob and UCLA to do what they did. He has just just like the US in the kind of Israel Palestine conflict.

We we claim that we're.

We we claim that we're.

Playing a role as a mediator, but we are one hundred percent on one side of the conflict. Here again, President Biden clearly signing one hundred percent kind of with the pro Israel protesters.

Playing a role as a mediator, but we are one hundred percent on one side of the conflict. Here again, President Biden clearly signing one hundred percent kind of with the pro Israel protesters.

And there has been virtually no violence.

And there has been virtually no violence.

Whatsoever from campus protesters throughout throughout the several weeks of these encampments. There have been moments where you could say, you've seen some signs that have been anti semitic. Yeah, there have been some, you know, some like old protesters who have like you know, wandered nearby with like vile anti semitic signs, But there haven't been any accusations of any violence.

Whatsoever from campus protesters throughout throughout the several weeks of these encampments. There have been moments where you could say, you've seen some signs that have been anti semitic. Yeah, there have been some, you know, some like old protesters who have like you know, wandered nearby with like vile anti semitic signs, But there haven't been any accusations of any violence.

Except any of them they did to get into the building, they smashed.

Except any of them they did to get into the building, they smashed.

They smashed their way into the building, no doubt.

They smashed their way into the building, no doubt.

About that, And that was a I don't believe that the woman who did that was a student. I believe that this has been reported it was like a sixty three year old outside organizer who I mean, maybe that was the strategy to have someone else smash into with a hammer. I think it was into the building that.

About that, And that was a I don't believe that the woman who did that was a student. I believe that this has been reported it was like a sixty three year old outside organizer who I mean, maybe that was the strategy to have someone else smash into with a hammer. I think it was into the building that.

Was in sixty eight too, Like you had.

Was in sixty eight too, Like you had.

Tom Hayden, for instance, was the lead organizer of the ninety sixty eight occupation, and he proudly called himself an outside agitator, like they would keep you know, these they would go from campus to campus, you know, helping the students organize.

Tom Hayden, for instance, was the lead organizer of the ninety sixty eight occupation, and he proudly called himself an outside agitator, like they would keep you know, these they would go from campus to campus, you know, helping the students organize.

Yeah, and your point about Biden is a really interesting one because it's also Chuck Schumer who's come out and like condemned what was happening is quote unquote lawlessness. And again I mean, like it's correct that some of this absolutely is lawlessness. But to the Biden point, it speaks to the sort of political difficulties of Democrats in the United States who are trying desperately not to lose votes in dearborn right because they need Michigan, and so they put out statements like that one.

Yeah, and your point about Biden is a really interesting one because it's also Chuck Schumer who's come out and like condemned what was happening is quote unquote lawlessness. And again I mean, like it's correct that some of this absolutely is lawlessness. But to the Biden point, it speaks to the sort of political difficulties of Democrats in the United States who are trying desperately not to lose votes in dearborn right because they need Michigan, and so they put out statements like that one.

But meanwhile, like the value of a news program like ours, I think is emphasized by moments like this, because are when they are covering this, just clashes erupted, no clue what happened one way or the other. New York Times writes after UCLA declared a pro Palestinian encampment illegal on Tuesday night, clashes broke out and administrators called in the police for help. The LAPD said that it was responded because of quote, multiple acts of violence within the large encampment. Those are words, those are sentences, but they convey no information. What's ironic is over at the intercept. A week or so ago, my colleague Jeremy Skhiale and I published their internal private style guide, which urged reporters not to use words like slaughter or massacre because they were imprecise, they said, and don't use the word occupied territory.

But meanwhile, like the value of a news program like ours, I think is emphasized by moments like this, because are when they are covering this, just clashes erupted, no clue what happened one way or the other. New York Times writes after UCLA declared a pro Palestinian encampment illegal on Tuesday night, clashes broke out and administrators called in the police for help. The LAPD said that it was responded because of quote, multiple acts of violence within the large encampment. Those are words, those are sentences, but they convey no information. What's ironic is over at the intercept. A week or so ago, my colleague Jeremy Skhiale and I published their internal private style guide, which urged reporters not to use words like slaughter or massacre because they were imprecise, they said, and don't use the word occupied territory.

That's imprecise. Say Gaza West Bank. Don't say occupied.

That's imprecise. Say Gaza West Bank. Don't say occupied.

They're charged, right, yeah, but they don't say they're charged. What they said in the memo is that they're imprecise. They say we for precision. They aim for precision. When they're trying to euphemize is rarely violence. When they're talking about when they're talking about the violence from last night, all of a sudden, the goal of precision just completely out the window.

They're charged, right, yeah, but they don't say they're charged. What they said in the memo is that they're imprecise. They say we for precision. They aim for precision. When they're trying to euphemize is rarely violence. When they're talking about when they're talking about the violence from last night, all of a sudden, the goal of precision just completely out the window.

Just clashes broke out. Where's the precision?

Just clashes broke out. Where's the precision?

All of a sudden, the hunt for precision becomes a hunt for making the sentences as vague as possible so that people are just like ah, in that shame. All of these encampments broke out across the country, and now there's violence. It must must be the pro pousetating protesters getting violent.

All of a sudden, the hunt for precision becomes a hunt for making the sentences as vague as possible so that people are just like ah, in that shame. All of these encampments broke out across the country, and now there's violence. It must must be the pro pousetating protesters getting violent.

I think that's a really interesting contrast. Let's also roll this thing that we have from MSNBC. Lawrence O'Donnell was reacting live on MSNBC last night while they were doing a toss off. Let's roll this MSNBC last night.

I think that's a really interesting contrast. Let's also roll this thing that we have from MSNBC. Lawrence O'Donnell was reacting live on MSNBC last night while they were doing a toss off. Let's roll this MSNBC last night.

What we have seen on the videos so far is actually the most organized and calmest and most professional police intervention we've ever seen on a college campus.

What we have seen on the videos so far is actually the most organized and calmest and most professional police intervention we've ever seen on a college campus.

You know, that's a weird way to describe what happened last night. Ryan and I say that as somebody who comes to this from I think we probably disagree on this. I am sick of a being told that it's you know, anti Semitic to disagree with everything that Israel says like that, I'm so sick of it, and the same time, I'm sick of saying being told that it's like anti or that it's just a blanketly pro Israel thing to question any of these protests and people smashing into a hall, kids are trying to take finals, stacking up chairs, barricading themselves, forming human chains, and just like I'm sick of it, I think those people actually should be like, face consequences. That's what civil disobedience is. So I'm just sick of this like stupid binary And even then, looking at what was happening in New York last night and chextaposing it with Laurence O'Donnell is a hell of a contrast.

You know, that's a weird way to describe what happened last night. Ryan and I say that as somebody who comes to this from I think we probably disagree on this. I am sick of a being told that it's you know, anti Semitic to disagree with everything that Israel says like that, I'm so sick of it, and the same time, I'm sick of saying being told that it's like anti or that it's just a blanketly pro Israel thing to question any of these protests and people smashing into a hall, kids are trying to take finals, stacking up chairs, barricading themselves, forming human chains, and just like I'm sick of it, I think those people actually should be like, face consequences. That's what civil disobedience is. So I'm just sick of this like stupid binary And even then, looking at what was happening in New York last night and chextaposing it with Laurence O'Donnell is a hell of a contrast.

Maybe it shows our sliding scale, because I guess if you compare the NYPD's aultarized response to what the intense police violence at VCU, for instance, or down at UT Austin, I guess it was less violent.

Maybe it shows our sliding scale, because I guess if you compare the NYPD's aultarized response to what the intense police violence at VCU, for instance, or down at UT Austin, I guess it was less violent.

But it also the kind of just.

But it also the kind of just.

The optics of it, the gigantic siege equipment rolling through the street, the riot police, the counter terrorism units being brought in for students. They didn't wield batons like it was nineteen sixty eight. At the Chicago Convention or ut Austin like this week. But it still gives off the appearance of an extraordinarily authoritarian situation for college students and to just who are Yes, they smashed the windows, but they're not violent, they're not they're not they're not dangerous to other people.

The optics of it, the gigantic siege equipment rolling through the street, the riot police, the counter terrorism units being brought in for students. They didn't wield batons like it was nineteen sixty eight. At the Chicago Convention or ut Austin like this week. But it still gives off the appearance of an extraordinarily authoritarian situation for college students and to just who are Yes, they smashed the windows, but they're not violent, they're not they're not they're not dangerous to other people.

Yeah, and that's why, By the way, it's also extremely unhelpful. And this is where I thought our interview last week with Sofia was really helpful, because it's very, very important to the point of precision to not just use these sort of blankets smears against the students. Actually wrote along piece in the Federalists about this a couple of days ago, because you end up completely misunderstanding what they're doing and misunderstanding what they say they're there to do. Crystal Sen's a great tweet this morning about how at Brown University handled their protests completely different. They actually just like held a vote on divestment and dealt.

Yeah, and that's why, By the way, it's also extremely unhelpful. And this is where I thought our interview last week with Sofia was really helpful, because it's very, very important to the point of precision to not just use these sort of blankets smears against the students. Actually wrote along piece in the Federalists about this a couple of days ago, because you end up completely misunderstanding what they're doing and misunderstanding what they say they're there to do. Crystal Sen's a great tweet this morning about how at Brown University handled their protests completely different. They actually just like held a vote on divestment and dealt.

With schedule one.

With schedule one.

Yeah, right, they agreed to schedule vote, but like actually dealt with the demand that the protesters were making, which was very specifically divestment. That isn't to say they haven't broadened it, but the point of the encampment was to force a vote on divestment. And I get that if you give in to those protests, like you can create a bigger situation. But I think everyone on Columbia's university Columbia University's campus right now says this has been wildly mismanaged by the school. Whether you're on one side or the other, everyone agrees, like Colombia completely completely botched this.

Yeah, right, they agreed to schedule vote, but like actually dealt with the demand that the protesters were making, which was very specifically divestment. That isn't to say they haven't broadened it, but the point of the encampment was to force a vote on divestment. And I get that if you give in to those protests, like you can create a bigger situation. But I think everyone on Columbia's university Columbia University's campus right now says this has been wildly mismanaged by the school. Whether you're on one side or the other, everyone agrees, like Colombia completely completely botched this.

Yeah, and so Brown will hold a divestment vote in October of next year on whether to continue investing in general and Israeli companies or was it was is it specifically connected, Oh, it's I think it's fund specifically connected to the Israeli military campaign in Gaza. As The New York Times reports, University of Chicago has also handled this in a much more kind of reasonable and civil way. They said, look that these this encampment is breaking our rules, but we also as a principal, support free expression. And as long as they're not disrupting people's ability to do their own expression, people's ability to get the class, as long as they're not endangering public safety.

Yeah, and so Brown will hold a divestment vote in October of next year on whether to continue investing in general and Israeli companies or was it was is it specifically connected, Oh, it's I think it's fund specifically connected to the Israeli military campaign in Gaza. As The New York Times reports, University of Chicago has also handled this in a much more kind of reasonable and civil way. They said, look that these this encampment is breaking our rules, but we also as a principal, support free expression. And as long as they're not disrupting people's ability to do their own expression, people's ability to get the class, as long as they're not endangering public safety.

We're going to give some leeway here. We're going to.

We're going to give some leeway here. We're going to.

Encourage people to express themselves other ways, but we're not going to bring in a militarized response here.

Encourage people to express themselves other ways, but we're not going to bring in a militarized response here.

UCLA in some ways did the same thing.

UCLA in some ways did the same thing.

It was, but it was the kind of pro Israel demonstrators that that that escalated things last night, but only after you know, not only Biden's comments, but also UCLA itself saying okay, this is an illegal encampment that that seems to have given the counter protest there's the green light to go ahead and do what they did.

It was, but it was the kind of pro Israel demonstrators that that that escalated things last night, but only after you know, not only Biden's comments, but also UCLA itself saying okay, this is an illegal encampment that that seems to have given the counter protest there's the green light to go ahead and do what they did.

Yeah, no, I mean it's it's been like the University of Chicago response was I actually think kind of pitch perfect, and they've been doing pitch perfect responses to these type of things. They're like actually consistent in the free speech, free speech space. There's the University of Chicago letter that was some people may be familiar with actually like a really big deal when it started circulating almost ten years ago now, pushing back on some of the schools that were giving into crazy speech demands of the left. Actually, and so to see the consistency on this from places like universities, I have to see consistency heartening. Yeah, absolutely absolutely is.

Yeah, no, I mean it's it's been like the University of Chicago response was I actually think kind of pitch perfect, and they've been doing pitch perfect responses to these type of things. They're like actually consistent in the free speech, free speech space. There's the University of Chicago letter that was some people may be familiar with actually like a really big deal when it started circulating almost ten years ago now, pushing back on some of the schools that were giving into crazy speech demands of the left. Actually, and so to see the consistency on this from places like universities, I have to see consistency heartening. Yeah, absolutely absolutely is.

Last point I would make is to the protesters, particularly ones at UCLA and elsewhere who feel like their strategy of nonviolence is no longer effective, that it can't be effective in the face of this violent response. I would say, you know, effect of non violence is always met with violence. Yeah, but that is part of it's virtue. Like that is that is part of its value. It exposes the cruel face of the system that you're opposing.

Last point I would make is to the protesters, particularly ones at UCLA and elsewhere who feel like their strategy of nonviolence is no longer effective, that it can't be effective in the face of this violent response. I would say, you know, effect of non violence is always met with violence. Yeah, but that is part of it's virtue. Like that is that is part of its value. It exposes the cruel face of the system that you're opposing.

That is the fundamental premise of civil disobedience is the civility of it. And that's why those images are are so poignant from the American civil rights era of just abject stoicism on the faces of people who are, you know, confronting consequences for violating certain laws, but are doing it just stoically. And that's baked into the American narrative about how that changed hearts and minds that people believe so deeply in this that rather than giving in to the forces of inscibility, rather than you know, joining the people who as you know, we talked to Savia about this and talked to other students of Columbia about this. The hangers on who come with or even some of the students who say things that are legitimately calls for violence or are not civil instead of giving into that or returning it with violence. There's so much power to your point, Ryan, and remaining civil in the face of aggress Yes.

That is the fundamental premise of civil disobedience is the civility of it. And that's why those images are are so poignant from the American civil rights era of just abject stoicism on the faces of people who are, you know, confronting consequences for violating certain laws, but are doing it just stoically. And that's baked into the American narrative about how that changed hearts and minds that people believe so deeply in this that rather than giving in to the forces of inscibility, rather than you know, joining the people who as you know, we talked to Savia about this and talked to other students of Columbia about this. The hangers on who come with or even some of the students who say things that are legitimately calls for violence or are not civil instead of giving into that or returning it with violence. There's so much power to your point, Ryan, and remaining civil in the face of aggress Yes.

So I would say stay true, stay true to your non violent values, not in spite of the violence, but you know, because of and in the face of the violence from counter protesters. Let's move on to the violence. Prime Minister Benjamin Nenyaho publicly addressing the rumors that he kind of got going that the International Criminal Court may launch charges against him and senior leaders of Israel for war crimes.

So I would say stay true, stay true to your non violent values, not in spite of the violence, but you know, because of and in the face of the violence from counter protesters. Let's move on to the violence. Prime Minister Benjamin Nenyaho publicly addressing the rumors that he kind of got going that the International Criminal Court may launch charges against him and senior leaders of Israel for war crimes.

Let's roll Nenyahu here.

Let's roll Nenyahu here.

The International Criminal Court in the League is contemplating issuing arrest wants against senior Israeli government and military officials as war criminals. This would be an outrage of historic proportions. International bodies like the icy c arose in the wake of the Holocaust committed against the Jewish people. They were set up to prevent such ores, to prevent future genocides. Yet now the International Court is trying to put Israel in the dock. It's trying to put us in the dock as we defend ourselves against genocidal terrorists and regimes Iran. Of course that openly works to destroy the one and only Jewish state. Branding Israel's leaders and soldiers as war criminals, will pour jet fuel on the fires of anti Semitism, those fires that are already raging on the campuses of America and across capitals around the world. It will also be the first time that a democratic country fighting for its life according to the rules of war is it self accused of war crimes. The Israeli army, the idea, is one of the most moral militaries in the world.

The International Criminal Court in the League is contemplating issuing arrest wants against senior Israeli government and military officials as war criminals. This would be an outrage of historic proportions. International bodies like the icy c arose in the wake of the Holocaust committed against the Jewish people. They were set up to prevent such ores, to prevent future genocides. Yet now the International Court is trying to put Israel in the dock. It's trying to put us in the dock as we defend ourselves against genocidal terrorists and regimes Iran. Of course that openly works to destroy the one and only Jewish state. Branding Israel's leaders and soldiers as war criminals, will pour jet fuel on the fires of anti Semitism, those fires that are already raging on the campuses of America and across capitals around the world. It will also be the first time that a democratic country fighting for its life according to the rules of war is it self accused of war crimes. The Israeli army, the idea, is one of the most moral militaries in the world.

It takes endless measures to practivilians. We've heard that before. So the NENYAHUO pressured the US to come out publicly and defend Israel against the rumors that Israel peers to have started itself, that the ICC was coming at them, and the White House did. The White House said, we do not believe that the ICC has jurisdiction over Israel. Their argument they're making is that Israel has not signed on to the ICC itself. However, Palestinians have, and when the ICC launched charges against Vladimir Putin, the US applauded those charges. Russia is not a signatory to the ICC, but Ukraine is, and that is why the ICC has jurisdiction. If you are committing a crime against a member, a signatory of the ICC, then the ICC has jurisdiction whether you're a signatory or not. That was the principle that the White House believed when the ICC charged putin all of a sudden, that doesn't apply anymore in this case. Not long after the US gave that Yahoo the assurance that he wanted, that Yahoo came out and said that even if he cuts a hostage deal with Hamas, he is still going to launch an invasion into Rafa.

It takes endless measures to practivilians. We've heard that before. So the NENYAHUO pressured the US to come out publicly and defend Israel against the rumors that Israel peers to have started itself, that the ICC was coming at them, and the White House did. The White House said, we do not believe that the ICC has jurisdiction over Israel. Their argument they're making is that Israel has not signed on to the ICC itself. However, Palestinians have, and when the ICC launched charges against Vladimir Putin, the US applauded those charges. Russia is not a signatory to the ICC, but Ukraine is, and that is why the ICC has jurisdiction. If you are committing a crime against a member, a signatory of the ICC, then the ICC has jurisdiction whether you're a signatory or not. That was the principle that the White House believed when the ICC charged putin all of a sudden, that doesn't apply anymore in this case. Not long after the US gave that Yahoo the assurance that he wanted, that Yahoo came out and said that even if he cuts a hostage deal with Hamas, he is still going to launch an invasion into Rafa.

It's very interesting to hear Net and Yahoo alluding to these sort of international rules that were largely agreed upon in the wake of the Holocaust, and he referenced that directly, and to see the way that they are used selectively and as blunt forced objects. I mean, it is exactly true that we all we've talked about this many times. We came together after World War Two, after the Holocaust, the level of industrial slaughter the world had never seen and stead this is and that's you know, includes things like Dresden and nuclear weapons. We came together and said there this is not sustainable for humanity, and these are the new sort of ethical again. Yeah, right, And these are the ethical guidelines that we'll look to going forward, and we agree with them when we want to agree with them, when it's blunt forth first object that we can use against enemies for the sake of our in foreign policy goals. And then we say, well, those are non binding or nobody signed on to that or whatever. It's just the sanctimony that goes behind the United States AND's allies in the West wielding them. Not just like the Putin thing is such a good example. I mean, it was just the level of credibility we assigned to it when we wanted to use it there. I mean, that's as good an example as you can get.

It's very interesting to hear Net and Yahoo alluding to these sort of international rules that were largely agreed upon in the wake of the Holocaust, and he referenced that directly, and to see the way that they are used selectively and as blunt forced objects. I mean, it is exactly true that we all we've talked about this many times. We came together after World War Two, after the Holocaust, the level of industrial slaughter the world had never seen and stead this is and that's you know, includes things like Dresden and nuclear weapons. We came together and said there this is not sustainable for humanity, and these are the new sort of ethical again. Yeah, right, And these are the ethical guidelines that we'll look to going forward, and we agree with them when we want to agree with them, when it's blunt forth first object that we can use against enemies for the sake of our in foreign policy goals. And then we say, well, those are non binding or nobody signed on to that or whatever. It's just the sanctimony that goes behind the United States AND's allies in the West wielding them. Not just like the Putin thing is such a good example. I mean, it was just the level of credibility we assigned to it when we wanted to use it there. I mean, that's as good an example as you can get.

Yeah, so much for the rules based international order.

Yeah, so much for the rules based international order.

Meanwhile, there's there's reporting where you can put up this next element that the US is contemplating accepting significant numbers of Palestinian refugees who were trying to flee Gaza. And what's fascinating about this news is that, you know, for the most part, we have accepted very few dozens of Palestinian refugees over the years, and when we have it is refugees who are claiming political asylum from Hamas, and HAMAS is a vindictive organization toward its critics absolutely, and so people who are kind of dissidence again and critics of Hamas like have some have been legitimately granted refugee status here in the United States.

Meanwhile, there's there's reporting where you can put up this next element that the US is contemplating accepting significant numbers of Palestinian refugees who were trying to flee Gaza. And what's fascinating about this news is that, you know, for the most part, we have accepted very few dozens of Palestinian refugees over the years, and when we have it is refugees who are claiming political asylum from Hamas, and HAMAS is a vindictive organization toward its critics absolutely, and so people who are kind of dissidence again and critics of Hamas like have some have been legitimately granted refugee status here in the United States.

Not many, not many, like dozens.

Not many, not many, like dozens.

Yeah, no, I pulled the numbers last night. It's actually kind of shocking.

Yeah, no, I pulled the numbers last night. It's actually kind of shocking.

Sixty something, what is it?

Sixty something, what is it?

Last ten years, US has resettled more than four hundred thousand refugees from CBS CBS fleeing violence, and in twenty twenty three fifty six Palestinian refugees, So that was points. There are nine percent of sixty thousand refugees in that twelve month period.

Last ten years, US has resettled more than four hundred thousand refugees from CBS CBS fleeing violence, and in twenty twenty three fifty six Palestinian refugees, So that was points. There are nine percent of sixty thousand refugees in that twelve month period.

Right, and so in order to in order to boost that number up to the number of people who need actual safe havens at this point, what the US would have to do is grant them asylum basically from themselves, because they would have to grant them asylum from Israel, from the idea, from the military campaign.

Right, and so in order to in order to boost that number up to the number of people who need actual safe havens at this point, what the US would have to do is grant them asylum basically from themselves, because they would have to grant them asylum from Israel, from the idea, from the military campaign.

They need Egypt's cooperation.

They need Egypt's cooperation.

But the legal rationale for accepting this many refugees from Gaza would be that they are persecuted by Israel and we are supplying the weapons and the political support and the global the global support for that very persecution which we are then going to give asylum against. So we'll be giving them asilum in our country against ourselves.

But the legal rationale for accepting this many refugees from Gaza would be that they are persecuted by Israel and we are supplying the weapons and the political support and the global the global support for that very persecution which we are then going to give asylum against. So we'll be giving them asilum in our country against ourselves.

Basically.

Basically.

Yeah, we talk about this when we talk about the border. So asylum is actually much more narrow category than it's often used. And then it's been used in our southern border in particular. So you have to prove that you're being targeted based on your nationality, religion, or your political views. And so you can see pretty easily how that argument can be made, and you can pull a million quotes from Israeli government on this point and talk about what's happened, you know, in your community in Gaza when you're applying for asylum. Now, they absolutely could still use hamas and you know they could, that could be the rationale that a lot of them give, but they could also you can see start making an argument in the other direction. And it reminds me, actually, Ryan of how the US sanctioned that unit of the idea recently. Is like it's the same sort of strange circular logic and listen, if people as refugees are coming to the United States and they want to be citizens of the United States. That's great. I think that's awesome. There's public polling out of Palestine that suggests a big chunk of the population there in Polling is tough there. But this is when the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in December, seventy two percent of Palestinians quote believe that Hamasa's decision to launch the October seventh attack was correct. Now, again, we can debate what that means, but it definitely means this fundamental disagreement with US foreign policy, and you can understand why people in Palestine would have a very hostile approach towards United sert perspective towards the United States foreign policy. So does this so discord and communities. I don't know that enough people will be accepted that it'll so discord around communities. To be honest with fifty six and twenty twenty three, that was one of the most violent recent years on record in Palestine. And so that's what a lot of people on the right are worried about. You know, we're going to import a bunch of people who hate America. I don't know that they're going to be able to get enough people out that that becomes a problem, to be honest.

Yeah, we talk about this when we talk about the border. So asylum is actually much more narrow category than it's often used. And then it's been used in our southern border in particular. So you have to prove that you're being targeted based on your nationality, religion, or your political views. And so you can see pretty easily how that argument can be made, and you can pull a million quotes from Israeli government on this point and talk about what's happened, you know, in your community in Gaza when you're applying for asylum. Now, they absolutely could still use hamas and you know they could, that could be the rationale that a lot of them give, but they could also you can see start making an argument in the other direction. And it reminds me, actually, Ryan of how the US sanctioned that unit of the idea recently. Is like it's the same sort of strange circular logic and listen, if people as refugees are coming to the United States and they want to be citizens of the United States. That's great. I think that's awesome. There's public polling out of Palestine that suggests a big chunk of the population there in Polling is tough there. But this is when the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in December, seventy two percent of Palestinians quote believe that Hamasa's decision to launch the October seventh attack was correct. Now, again, we can debate what that means, but it definitely means this fundamental disagreement with US foreign policy, and you can understand why people in Palestine would have a very hostile approach towards United sert perspective towards the United States foreign policy. So does this so discord and communities. I don't know that enough people will be accepted that it'll so discord around communities. To be honest with fifty six and twenty twenty three, that was one of the most violent recent years on record in Palestine. And so that's what a lot of people on the right are worried about. You know, we're going to import a bunch of people who hate America. I don't know that they're going to be able to get enough people out that that becomes a problem, to be honest.

Yeah, and the Israeli governments, you know, put out a lot of white papers and other and trial balloons showing that the plan was to depopulate you know, Gaza going in and so yeah, on the one hand, this this plays into the effort to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip of Palestinians and then and rebuild it as Israeli's on as Jared Kushner said, you know, waterfront, waterfront property.

Yeah, and the Israeli governments, you know, put out a lot of white papers and other and trial balloons showing that the plan was to depopulate you know, Gaza going in and so yeah, on the one hand, this this plays into the effort to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip of Palestinians and then and rebuild it as Israeli's on as Jared Kushner said, you know, waterfront, waterfront property.

Maybe they'll use Kushner's quote the never silent abligations.

Maybe they'll use Kushner's quote the never silent abligations.

At the same time, the area is going to be uninhabitable for many years. It's the nor Northern Gaza for instance. You know, so a normal bomb an ordinance getting dropped from a plane in a battlefield or fired elsewhere, it has something like a ten percent failure rate. Israel does not use these weapons normally. You know, they're dropping them in areas where they're going to have a much higher failure rate. And so maybe you're pushing twenty percent failure rate and you're talking of you know, thousands and thousands of bombs being dropped on Gaza. Those are fairly stable unexploded ordinance until they are disrupted by a bulldozer or some type of construction during a rebuilding process. It's impossible to overstate how time consuming it is to extract these weapons in northwest Washington, d C. Where they did where they did basically chemical weapons testing during World War One. They are still to this day finding unexploded like mustard gas ordinances in Washington, d C. Near American University where that research which was carried out more than one hundred years later.

At the same time, the area is going to be uninhabitable for many years. It's the nor Northern Gaza for instance. You know, so a normal bomb an ordinance getting dropped from a plane in a battlefield or fired elsewhere, it has something like a ten percent failure rate. Israel does not use these weapons normally. You know, they're dropping them in areas where they're going to have a much higher failure rate. And so maybe you're pushing twenty percent failure rate and you're talking of you know, thousands and thousands of bombs being dropped on Gaza. Those are fairly stable unexploded ordinance until they are disrupted by a bulldozer or some type of construction during a rebuilding process. It's impossible to overstate how time consuming it is to extract these weapons in northwest Washington, d C. Where they did where they did basically chemical weapons testing during World War One. They are still to this day finding unexploded like mustard gas ordinances in Washington, d C. Near American University where that research which was carried out more than one hundred years later.

And so.

And so.

It's just going to be borderline impossible for hundreds of thousands of people to return to their homes anytime soon, which means they're going to have to live somewhere.

It's just going to be borderline impossible for hundreds of thousands of people to return to their homes anytime soon, which means they're going to have to live somewhere.

And just before we wrap, let's put this poll up on the screen. This is reporting in the Jerusalem Post about a new poll published by end twelve. Over half of the Israeli public beliefs that Prime Minister Benjamin Ninyaho should resign immediately, including twenty eight percent of those who voted for the block that supports nt Yahoo. Forty eight percent of Israeli's believe Defense Minister Galant should resign immediately.

And just before we wrap, let's put this poll up on the screen. This is reporting in the Jerusalem Post about a new poll published by end twelve. Over half of the Israeli public beliefs that Prime Minister Benjamin Ninyaho should resign immediately, including twenty eight percent of those who voted for the block that supports nt Yahoo. Forty eight percent of Israeli's believe Defense Minister Galant should resign immediately.

Wow.

Wow.

I mean, like if you keep going down the line, here there's fifty percent believe the idea of chief of staff should resign, fifty six percent believe that the head of Shinbet should resign right now. I mean fifty four percent of respondent said that the elections should be held earlier. So that's not just opposition in net Yahoo. That's immediate, urgent opposition to Net Yahoo. And obviously in Israel there's opposition from uh like, both sides. So people who are you know, more hardcore that want, you know, Net Yahoo to go even harder than he has gone. And then there are people who disagree that he was, thinking he's already gone too far, and then he's been you know, mismanaging the situations and incompetent. But all that is to say, this is a pretty untenable situation for net Yahoo and his coalition at the moment.

I mean, like if you keep going down the line, here there's fifty percent believe the idea of chief of staff should resign, fifty six percent believe that the head of Shinbet should resign right now. I mean fifty four percent of respondent said that the elections should be held earlier. So that's not just opposition in net Yahoo. That's immediate, urgent opposition to Net Yahoo. And obviously in Israel there's opposition from uh like, both sides. So people who are you know, more hardcore that want, you know, Net Yahoo to go even harder than he has gone. And then there are people who disagree that he was, thinking he's already gone too far, and then he's been you know, mismanaging the situations and incompetent. But all that is to say, this is a pretty untenable situation for net Yahoo and his coalition at the moment.

In Israel, it's been a strategic failure in every sense of the word world word up and down from net Yahoo and his managing of the conflict before and after October seventh.

In Israel, it's been a strategic failure in every sense of the word world word up and down from net Yahoo and his managing of the conflict before and after October seventh.

Yeah, and the Israeli public is picking up on that, no doubt about it. Donald Trump just yesterday he was back in court and as day nine, day nine on the hush money trial. Donald Trump was held in violation of his gag order once again. It's the second time that he's actually been sanctioned for violating the gag order. And this is there's kind of some interesting new one in this particular ruling because the judge one Merchant find Donald Trump, but he said because he was criticizing expected trial witnesses, So that would be Michael Cohen in particular. That's a big one, Stormy Daniels, that's a big one. He's criticized the makeup of the jury pool. But what Merchant said is that it's specifically related, like you can talk about the trial, but it's specifically you cannot keep talking about these expected witnesses. And that's obviously a pretty huge distinction because it addresses the central issue of Donald Trump's argument, which is I have to be able, like this is the middle of a campaign. I have to be able to make my case to the public, So you have to let me talk about this trial. I'm running for president of the United States. So Merchant narrowed it and said, this is specifically about you know, talking about so specifically about the key witnesses here, not just about the case in General. And then Donald Trump sat for an interview with Time that was released yesterday that was just of incredible quotes. Yeah, just a lot happening.

Yeah, and the Israeli public is picking up on that, no doubt about it. Donald Trump just yesterday he was back in court and as day nine, day nine on the hush money trial. Donald Trump was held in violation of his gag order once again. It's the second time that he's actually been sanctioned for violating the gag order. And this is there's kind of some interesting new one in this particular ruling because the judge one Merchant find Donald Trump, but he said because he was criticizing expected trial witnesses, So that would be Michael Cohen in particular. That's a big one, Stormy Daniels, that's a big one. He's criticized the makeup of the jury pool. But what Merchant said is that it's specifically related, like you can talk about the trial, but it's specifically you cannot keep talking about these expected witnesses. And that's obviously a pretty huge distinction because it addresses the central issue of Donald Trump's argument, which is I have to be able, like this is the middle of a campaign. I have to be able to make my case to the public, So you have to let me talk about this trial. I'm running for president of the United States. So Merchant narrowed it and said, this is specifically about you know, talking about so specifically about the key witnesses here, not just about the case in General. And then Donald Trump sat for an interview with Time that was released yesterday that was just of incredible quotes. Yeah, just a lot happening.

When he when he said he was barred from commenting on the makeup of the jury because it's Trump.

When he when he said he was barred from commenting on the makeup of the jury because it's Trump.

I thought he was talking about makeup, because he would do that. He would do that.

I thought he was talking about makeup, because he would do that. He would do that.

He's got every year, he's got opinions on fashion Week. But no, apparently he's talking about the jury itself, and you're not supposed to do.

He's got every year, he's got opinions on fashion Week. But no, apparently he's talking about the jury itself, and you're not supposed to do.

You know, that violates the gag order.

You know, that violates the gag order.

And so he got a thousand dollars fine for each kind of truth Social tweet.

And so he got a thousand dollars fine for each kind of truth Social tweet.

He put up, yeah, one.

He put up, yeah, one.

Thousand dollars for nine posts, and he was made to delete the posts and the judge said, you know you you could get incarceratory penalties next time.

Thousand dollars for nine posts, and he was made to delete the posts and the judge said, you know you you could get incarceratory penalties next time.

And he removed the posts. By the way he did, he took them down. So he removed seven from truth Social and two from his campaign website, and he owes nine thousand dollars. He could, you know, end up with as you said, Ryan, the consequences could only increase. But the fact that he actually took down all of the posts, it looks like he's throwing in the towel in most particular on this particular point. And actually, I think it's kind of a fair decision that you can't be going after the key witnesses. You can still talk about the trial, though. I guess that gives him a little roadmap to making his case in the public.

And he removed the posts. By the way he did, he took them down. So he removed seven from truth Social and two from his campaign website, and he owes nine thousand dollars. He could, you know, end up with as you said, Ryan, the consequences could only increase. But the fact that he actually took down all of the posts, it looks like he's throwing in the towel in most particular on this particular point. And actually, I think it's kind of a fair decision that you can't be going after the key witnesses. You can still talk about the trial, though. I guess that gives him a little roadmap to making his case in the public.

Just be careful there, mister president. I'd love to get your take on his Time interview, though. Let's highlight a couple of them.

Just be careful there, mister president. I'd love to get your take on his Time interview, though. Let's highlight a couple of them.

I mean, so if you go on Time's website and we can put this element up on the screen, they do the thing where they give you the amount of time it'll take to read the article eighty three minutes. The eighty three minute read he had this. Really it must have been a two hour interview, would be my guess, after you account for the editing, for clarity and everything that goes into publishing a transcript. And I love when they just published the transcript, the raw transcript. We pulled a couple of highlights from it. He basically the journalist basically got Trump to touch on everything under the sun. But we can move to this first poll quote because I want to start with the economy, because you know, honestly, we're talking a lot about foreign policy on this show and the discourse in general. For obvious reasons, a lot of American voters are going to be primarily voting on the economy when they go to the polls in November. So this is Trump saying he's getting asked by the journalist about his ten percent tariff funal imports and a sixty percent tariff on Chinese imports. Asked if that's still his plan, and Trump says, quote, it may be more than that. RN. I actually thought that was very interesting.

I mean, so if you go on Time's website and we can put this element up on the screen, they do the thing where they give you the amount of time it'll take to read the article eighty three minutes. The eighty three minute read he had this. Really it must have been a two hour interview, would be my guess, after you account for the editing, for clarity and everything that goes into publishing a transcript. And I love when they just published the transcript, the raw transcript. We pulled a couple of highlights from it. He basically the journalist basically got Trump to touch on everything under the sun. But we can move to this first poll quote because I want to start with the economy, because you know, honestly, we're talking a lot about foreign policy on this show and the discourse in general. For obvious reasons, a lot of American voters are going to be primarily voting on the economy when they go to the polls in November. So this is Trump saying he's getting asked by the journalist about his ten percent tariff funal imports and a sixty percent tariff on Chinese imports. Asked if that's still his plan, and Trump says, quote, it may be more than that. RN. I actually thought that was very interesting.

Yeah, yeah, And then he and then he's may be a derivative of that.

Yeah, yeah, And then he and then he's may be a derivative of that.

Derivative of that. I don't know what he means by derivative there, nobody knows, And you're right. And so the reporter press is like, really, it could could be more than ten percent. He's saying, yes, yes, it could be. And then he says it's not actually going to raise prices. It's just going to cost China money and it's going to put a bunch of money in Chinese coffers. That's you can that's nonsense, Like it's fine to support tariffs.

Derivative of that. I don't know what he means by derivative there, nobody knows, And you're right. And so the reporter press is like, really, it could could be more than ten percent. He's saying, yes, yes, it could be. And then he says it's not actually going to raise prices. It's just going to cost China money and it's going to put a bunch of money in Chinese coffers. That's you can that's nonsense, Like it's fine to support tariffs.

Yeah, and I think that tariffs.

Yeah, and I think that tariffs.

You know, have a real serious role to play when it comes to building your domestic manufacturing base, like that's they're important, but in the immediate term, they're going to cause inflation, like they're going to prices are going to go up, Like that's how that's how tariffs operate.

You know, have a real serious role to play when it comes to building your domestic manufacturing base, like that's they're important, but in the immediate term, they're going to cause inflation, like they're going to prices are going to go up, Like that's how that's how tariffs operate.

Well, this created a huge point. This like created a huge debate on econ Twitter yesterday about the technical definition of inflation because a lot of people were saying Donald Trump is campaigning against inflation but also campaigning on a tariff. And then economists were like, actually, this important distinction. Inflation is not the same as like pricing creases and Ryan you just you just need to be precision here, right.

Well, this created a huge point. This like created a huge debate on econ Twitter yesterday about the technical definition of inflation because a lot of people were saying Donald Trump is campaigning against inflation but also campaigning on a tariff. And then economists were like, actually, this important distinction. Inflation is not the same as like pricing creases and Ryan you just you just need to be precision here, right.

No, but they're right, But it's interesting they're true that.

No, but they're right, But it's interesting they're true that.

That's right from a from an economic textbook perspective, there those are those are different things. And inflation refers to just when there's kind of more money in the economy, mean chasing like a smaller number of you know, or not enough goods, Like that's inflation. But from the perspective of somebody who's going to the store, yeah, it's the same. It's the same buying something. Yes, they see the price rise, and people aren't people don't kind of object to the concept of inflation, but they're okay with price increases. They don't like when things cost more and when their wages are not keeping up with the cost of things going up.

That's right from a from an economic textbook perspective, there those are those are different things. And inflation refers to just when there's kind of more money in the economy, mean chasing like a smaller number of you know, or not enough goods, Like that's inflation. But from the perspective of somebody who's going to the store, yeah, it's the same. It's the same buying something. Yes, they see the price rise, and people aren't people don't kind of object to the concept of inflation, but they're okay with price increases. They don't like when things cost more and when their wages are not keeping up with the cost of things going up.

That's something.

That's something.

And you know, in some ways they don't care whether it's greedflation from corporations, right oh, rising prices, whether it's supply shocks from the pandemic and the reopening of the economy and the port's being all cluttered, or whether it's fiscal policy monetary policy. Like, what people don't like is when they go to the grocery store and it used to cost fifty dollars for a bag and I was eighty.

And you know, in some ways they don't care whether it's greedflation from corporations, right oh, rising prices, whether it's supply shocks from the pandemic and the reopening of the economy and the port's being all cluttered, or whether it's fiscal policy monetary policy. Like, what people don't like is when they go to the grocery store and it used to cost fifty dollars for a bag and I was eighty.

Dollars for a bag or whatever. That's what they don't like.

Dollars for a bag or whatever. That's what they don't like.

And so Trump is going to learn that the hard way if he doesn't figure out a way to come at this in a way that gets prices down.

And so Trump is going to learn that the hard way if he doesn't figure out a way to come at this in a way that gets prices down.

Yeah, and it's true that, for example, Joe Biden has no control over greedflation. I shouldn't say no control. He doesn't have a lot of control over greedflation, but you know, unless he sort of. But I mean, just even like policy wise, these are private businesses making terrible decisions as private businesses.

Yeah, and it's true that, for example, Joe Biden has no control over greedflation. I shouldn't say no control. He doesn't have a lot of control over greedflation, but you know, unless he sort of. But I mean, just even like policy wise, these are private businesses making terrible decisions as private businesses.

And good decisions for themselves.

And good decisions for themselves.

Make good decisions for themselves. You know, you got to have some money for the buybacks, but.

Make good decisions for themselves. You know, you got to have some money for the buybacks, but.

Try to figure out a way to get corporations to you know.

Try to figure out a way to get corporations to you know.

So it's actually an interesting point.

So it's actually an interesting point.

John Kenneth Gallbraith included prices in his understanding of the government's role in the economy. Like we understand that the government and through the FED, plays a role in inflation, plays a role in unemployment and labor and wages, and we always have had understood that the government also played a role in prices. In the seventies, we moved away from that and we said, well, prices, what can you do, just like the weather. But actually it is a function of a government and private sector interacting. And so we could actually come in and mess with prices if we wanted to, and I think we should.

John Kenneth Gallbraith included prices in his understanding of the government's role in the economy. Like we understand that the government and through the FED, plays a role in inflation, plays a role in unemployment and labor and wages, and we always have had understood that the government also played a role in prices. In the seventies, we moved away from that and we said, well, prices, what can you do, just like the weather. But actually it is a function of a government and private sector interacting. And so we could actually come in and mess with prices if we wanted to, and I think we should.

But anyway, that's a side point.

But anyway, that's a side point.

But it's interesting because right the voters are always going to blame, you know, in the same way that Joe Biden is getting a lot of blame for you know, even I think he deserves some of the blame. He spent a ton of money and that's always behind inflation. But there's also a component of this, even from the right. I agree that was gre inflation, and voters just don't want to hear you scapegoat They know prices are higher, they don't want you to downplay higher prices, and they don't want you to scapegoat whether it's China or greedy CEOs. I think Donald Trump is probably better at communicating why he you know, describes some of the blame to China in these cases, but he will learn that lesson. Nonetheless, he had a pretty good economy during his administration until COVID hit. And what's going to happen if you know you have a ten percent tariff, it's he's going to have to confront people who are upset about that. And we saw it kind of happen with farmers and all of that over the course of the administration, and he maintained some I think, pretty impressive levels of support from farmers. But in a way, yes, it's the Biden lesson can also be the Trump lesson that you know, when people are paying higher prices, they don't want to hear excuses from the president, even if the president himself is not waving his magic wand or couldn't wave a magic wand and tackle things one thing. Also Bran, my apologies to the control and I skipped this, but let's put B two up on the screen, because if I were interviewing Donald Trump right now, this is basically the question that I would want the answer to. You know, they if president, if a president doesn't get immunity. This is what Trump tells Time about the Supreme Court case that's pending right now. He said, quote, then Biden, I am sure will be prosecuted for all of his crimes. Trump said that if presidents do get immunity, He went on to say, basically, that's great that Joe Biden will not be prosecuted for his many crimes, but you know, and said that he wouldn't, you know, push for or implied basically argued that he wouldn't push for Joe Biden if presidents have immunity to then be responsible for all of these different allegations alleged crimes that Joe Biden has been involved with. But I think that's really one of the most important questions is what we see from Donald Trump in the next Trump administration potentially if he is elected president, voters should know exactly how he plans to wield the state wield the powers of the state against political opponents, because that's what he's campaigning against right now.