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So we've got some updates for you guys with regard to Machmu Khalil. He is that Green card holder and a student activist who has been detained and they are attempting to the Trump administration is attempting to deport. So let's go ahead and start with this comments from Tom Homan, who was in Albany and New York to speak on exactly this issue and sounding a bit of a different note on free speech than the Trump campaign certainly did when he was campaigning, and notably JD. Vans did when he was over in Europe. Let's take a listen to that.

So we've got some updates for you guys with regard to Machmu Khalil. He is that Green card holder and a student activist who has been detained and they are attempting to the Trump administration is attempting to deport. So let's go ahead and start with this comments from Tom Homan, who was in Albany and New York to speak on exactly this issue and sounding a bit of a different note on free speech than the Trump campaign certainly did when he was campaigning, and notably JD. Vans did when he was over in Europe. Let's take a listen to that.

Free speech has limitations, but when you go to college campus you incite protesting and locking down and taking over buildings and damaging property and handing out leaflets for hamas who is a terrorist organization coming to this country, either on a visa or becoming the rest in ailing is a great privilege, whether there are rules associated with that.

Free speech has limitations, but when you go to college campus you incite protesting and locking down and taking over buildings and damaging property and handing out leaflets for hamas who is a terrorist organization coming to this country, either on a visa or becoming the rest in ailing is a great privilege, whether there are rules associated with that.

So again, I think it's really important to remind people that mak Mu Khalil has not been accused of a crime. The justification they're using for the stripping of his green card status and potential deportation is that Marco Rubio determined that he was a threat to our national security priority of combating anti Semitism. We also have some more details about Khalil himself that we'll get to in a moment. In particular, you notice the charges against him are always very vague. He's like affiliated with this literature that, by the way, we haven't been able to allowed to see. He said things that we're supposed to assume are anti Semitic. There's been very little specifics of what he's done or what he said. That is so egregious that she no longer exists in this country. So keep that in mind as well. Let me go ahead and play Secretary of State. Mark or Rubio, also giving his justification, sounding some similar notes to Tom Homan. Let's take a listen.

So again, I think it's really important to remind people that mak Mu Khalil has not been accused of a crime. The justification they're using for the stripping of his green card status and potential deportation is that Marco Rubio determined that he was a threat to our national security priority of combating anti Semitism. We also have some more details about Khalil himself that we'll get to in a moment. In particular, you notice the charges against him are always very vague. He's like affiliated with this literature that, by the way, we haven't been able to allowed to see. He said things that we're supposed to assume are anti Semitic. There's been very little specifics of what he's done or what he said. That is so egregious that she no longer exists in this country. So keep that in mind as well. Let me go ahead and play Secretary of State. Mark or Rubio, also giving his justification, sounding some similar notes to Tom Homan. Let's take a listen.

When you come to the United States as a visitor, which is what a visa is, which is how this individual entered this country as on a visitor's visa. Okay, you are here as a visitor. We can deny you that visa. We can deny you that if you tell us when you apply. Hi, I'm trying to get into the United States on a student visa. I am a big supporter of Hamas, a murderous, barbaric group that kidnaps children, that rapes teenage girls, that takes hostages, that allows them to die in captivity, that returns more bodies than live hostages. If you tell us that you are in favor of a group like this, and if you tell us when you apply for your visa, and by the way, I intend to come to your country as a student and rile up all kinds of anti Jewish student anti Semitic activities. I intend to shut down your universities.

When you come to the United States as a visitor, which is what a visa is, which is how this individual entered this country as on a visitor's visa. Okay, you are here as a visitor. We can deny you that visa. We can deny you that if you tell us when you apply. Hi, I'm trying to get into the United States on a student visa. I am a big supporter of Hamas, a murderous, barbaric group that kidnaps children, that rapes teenage girls, that takes hostages, that allows them to die in captivity, that returns more bodies than live hostages. If you tell us that you are in favor of a group like this, and if you tell us when you apply for your visa, and by the way, I intend to come to your country as a student and rile up all kinds of anti Jewish student anti Semitic activities. I intend to shut down your universities.

If you told us all.

If you told us all.

These things when you applied for a visa, we would deny your visa. I hope we would. If you actually end up doing that once you're in this country on such a visa, we will revoke it. And if you end up having a green card, not citizenship, but a green card as a result of that visa while you're here in those activities, we're going to kick you out. It's as simple as that. This is not about free speech. This is about people that don't have a right to be in the United States. To begin with, no one has a right to a student visa. No one has a right to a green card, by the way, so when you apply for a student visa or any visa enter the United States, we have a right to deny you for virtually any reason. But I think being a supporter of Hamas and coming into our universities and turning them upside down and being complicit and what are clearly crimes of vandalization, complicit in shutting down learning institutions. There are kids at these schools that can't go to class. You pay all this money to these high priced schools that are supposed to be of a great esteem and you can't even go to class. You're afraid to go to class because these lunatics are running around with covers on their face, screaming terrifying things. If you told us that's what you intended to do when you came to America, we would have never let you in. And if you and if you do it once you get in, we're going to revoke it and kick you out.

These things when you applied for a visa, we would deny your visa. I hope we would. If you actually end up doing that once you're in this country on such a visa, we will revoke it. And if you end up having a green card, not citizenship, but a green card as a result of that visa while you're here in those activities, we're going to kick you out. It's as simple as that. This is not about free speech. This is about people that don't have a right to be in the United States. To begin with, no one has a right to a student visa. No one has a right to a green card, by the way, so when you apply for a student visa or any visa enter the United States, we have a right to deny you for virtually any reason. But I think being a supporter of Hamas and coming into our universities and turning them upside down and being complicit and what are clearly crimes of vandalization, complicit in shutting down learning institutions. There are kids at these schools that can't go to class. You pay all this money to these high priced schools that are supposed to be of a great esteem and you can't even go to class. You're afraid to go to class because these lunatics are running around with covers on their face, screaming terrifying things. If you told us that's what you intended to do when you came to America, we would have never let you in. And if you and if you do it once you get in, we're going to revoke it and kick you out.

So a few things to note there so far. He says he's a quote unquote big supporter of Hamas. You know, it seems like they just assume anyone who is like pro Palestine and has a critique of either the Israeli government or our government support of the Israeli government, they just label as pro Hamas. But if we could put D six up on the screen, Ryan drops like they've been doing some digging into okay, like what did this guy actually say and what was he all about. One of the things that you hear repeatedly on like right wing influencer accounts and people like Scott Jennings, et cetera, is that he called for the quote unquote total eradication of Western civilization. Now, even if he did, I would say, hey, protected speech that is vastly different from saying I'm a Hamas supporter or even further, which again I think would be protected speech. But there's no allegation he like provided material support for Hamas or any other terrorist quote unquote organization. But let's just parse the claim that he even is the person who said this total eradication of Western civilization thing. Apparently they're getting that from an Instagram post from a group that he was loosely affiliated with, that he had nothing to do with this Instagram post and may not have even have seen. So I want you to think about that the government is using, in part, a post that he was tangentially linked to that he potentially had no even knowledge of to justify stripping detaining him. He's now been, you know, flown down to Louisiana and held indefinitely there, and stripping him of his permanent residence status and potentially supporting him like that is incredibly wild. And you know, you may think this will never apply to you, and it's all finding good, et cetera. But we have seen two. I mean, the whole trajectory of post nine to eleven and the war on terror, et cetera, has been going step by step by step, taking away more and more more civil liberties and expanding, expanding the police and surveillance state. And this is a dramatic jump on that entry.

So a few things to note there so far. He says he's a quote unquote big supporter of Hamas. You know, it seems like they just assume anyone who is like pro Palestine and has a critique of either the Israeli government or our government support of the Israeli government, they just label as pro Hamas. But if we could put D six up on the screen, Ryan drops like they've been doing some digging into okay, like what did this guy actually say and what was he all about. One of the things that you hear repeatedly on like right wing influencer accounts and people like Scott Jennings, et cetera, is that he called for the quote unquote total eradication of Western civilization. Now, even if he did, I would say, hey, protected speech that is vastly different from saying I'm a Hamas supporter or even further, which again I think would be protected speech. But there's no allegation he like provided material support for Hamas or any other terrorist quote unquote organization. But let's just parse the claim that he even is the person who said this total eradication of Western civilization thing. Apparently they're getting that from an Instagram post from a group that he was loosely affiliated with, that he had nothing to do with this Instagram post and may not have even have seen. So I want you to think about that the government is using, in part, a post that he was tangentially linked to that he potentially had no even knowledge of to justify stripping detaining him. He's now been, you know, flown down to Louisiana and held indefinitely there, and stripping him of his permanent residence status and potentially supporting him like that is incredibly wild. And you know, you may think this will never apply to you, and it's all finding good, et cetera. But we have seen two. I mean, the whole trajectory of post nine to eleven and the war on terror, et cetera, has been going step by step by step, taking away more and more more civil liberties and expanding, expanding the police and surveillance state. And this is a dramatic jump on that entry.

Yeah, that's the thing about Rubio is keep saying. It's like, yeah, no one's saying that you can't do it, it's whether should you do it?

Yeah, that's the thing about Rubio is keep saying. It's like, yeah, no one's saying that you can't do it, it's whether should you do it?

And for what purpose?

And for what purpose?

That's the question that I really have around this is why are the guy didn't commit a crime? Yeah, he's a leader of a group which some people didn't like. Okay, you know, there's a a lot of groups, a lot of leaders that I don't like that.

That's the question that I really have around this is why are the guy didn't commit a crime? Yeah, he's a leader of a group which some people didn't like. Okay, you know, there's a a lot of groups, a lot of leaders that I don't like that.

I'm sure here on student visas too.

I'm sure here on student visas too.

Are they all going to get kicked out if you're the leader of the IDF soldier, you know whatever, a former IDx soldiers on UCLA campus, that's good to go.

Are they all going to get kicked out if you're the leader of the IDF soldier, you know whatever, a former IDx soldiers on UCLA campus, that's good to go.

What are we doing here?

What are we doing here?

That's that's the big issue that I really have with not only the precedent of deportation and really the invocation of the I in s act against this person. And because we have to remember he's saying is a serious detriment to our foreign policy? What does that mean that his presence here is a serious detriment to our foreign policy with Israel. What Israel's going to cut off relations with US over a campus protester in the United States.

That's that's the big issue that I really have with not only the precedent of deportation and really the invocation of the I in s act against this person. And because we have to remember he's saying is a serious detriment to our foreign policy? What does that mean that his presence here is a serious detriment to our foreign policy with Israel. What Israel's going to cut off relations with US over a campus protester in the United States.

So they're specifically saying we have a foreign policy priority of combating anti Semitary.

So they're specifically saying we have a foreign policy priority of combating anti Semitary.

Okay, So first of all, I don't even know if that's true. But second, let's assume that it is true. What definition, oh the definition which conflates like any criticism of Israel with Semitism. The whole thing is preposterous. And that's where the big problem that it all comes back to is that we are having a debate here about somebody who was here protesting the actions of a foreign government. That I mean, even if you look back to the Patriot Act era, at least then we were demonizing each other over the actions of our government. This is something so contrary to any of those ideals of even many of the criticisms or whatever that they've made about free speech overreach in the past, and just basic to the notion of anything that's supposed to be America. First, but I do have bad news. I mean, to be honest, the government has good standing. I mean, there is the basic truth here is you can revoke the visa of whoever you want, but that's not The point is not can you, it's should you? And for what purpose? And I mean why? I can't get around either who picked this guy as the first one? Wouldn't you pick somebody who was in Hamilton.

Okay, So first of all, I don't even know if that's true. But second, let's assume that it is true. What definition, oh the definition which conflates like any criticism of Israel with Semitism. The whole thing is preposterous. And that's where the big problem that it all comes back to is that we are having a debate here about somebody who was here protesting the actions of a foreign government. That I mean, even if you look back to the Patriot Act era, at least then we were demonizing each other over the actions of our government. This is something so contrary to any of those ideals of even many of the criticisms or whatever that they've made about free speech overreach in the past, and just basic to the notion of anything that's supposed to be America. First, but I do have bad news. I mean, to be honest, the government has good standing. I mean, there is the basic truth here is you can revoke the visa of whoever you want, but that's not The point is not can you, it's should you? And for what purpose? And I mean why? I can't get around either who picked this guy as the first one? Wouldn't you pick somebody who was in Hamilton.

Hall or whatever?

Hall or whatever?

You know, like breaking windows? There's no argument on that one. It's like, yeah, you committed a crime here, bro, you gotta go. But for the rest of them, like deporting a quote student leader who has committed no actual crime, been charged with nothing basically for statements. It's like, where did this name get plucked? And who decided that this was the ground if I actually cannot think of a worse one that would because first you would pick a student visa, wouldn't you, And then you would.

You know, like breaking windows? There's no argument on that one. It's like, yeah, you committed a crime here, bro, you gotta go. But for the rest of them, like deporting a quote student leader who has committed no actual crime, been charged with nothing basically for statements. It's like, where did this name get plucked? And who decided that this was the ground if I actually cannot think of a worse one that would because first you would pick a student visa, wouldn't you, And then you would.

Not a green card?

Not a green card?

Hold ye, because they thought.

Hold ye, because they thought.

Didn't So first they pick somebody who's on a green card, not a student visa. Then they picked somebody who didn't commit a crime. It's like you would, ideally, if you wanted to set a precedent or you know, make a big stand, you'd pick a guy on a student visa who did commit a crime.

Didn't So first they pick somebody who's on a green card, not a student visa. Then they picked somebody who didn't commit a crime. It's like you would, ideally, if you wanted to set a precedent or you know, make a big stand, you'd pick a guy on a student visa who did commit a crime.

It's an open and shut case. But it's easy as hell.

It's an open and shut case. But it's easy as hell.

To deport somebody for and a lot harder to argue against, in my opinion.

To deport somebody for and a lot harder to argue against, in my opinion.

The other way to look at it, and I'm not sure on the legal piece, you might be right, but you know, there is a legal battle that will unfold here and it's not entirely clear cut which way it will go. It does look like the administration is like immigration judge shopping. That's why Khalil was flown all the way down to Louisiana was because I think they like their chances there better than they did in New York or New Jersey. But in any case, you know, one way to look at it is like, oh, this is such a screw up. They should have picked someone who committed a crime. It was on a student visa. It was open and shut, and no one could even even I couldn't like say that it was that they didn't have the right to do it, and it would right present a much more, a much less profound a bridging of civil rights than what this a permanent resident. And also he's just a sympathetic gu I'm about to show you a video of him as well, and you'll see his wife is eight months pregnant. She's an American citizen. You listen to him talk on CNN et cetera, and he's saying, like, I actually think the libert you know, the liberation of the Jewish people and the Palestinian people go hand in glove, and that's why I support equal rights for all. Like people have been digging through everything this man has said at this point and have not come up with anything that is like even out of I don't think should be out of bounds at all. So you know, there was no like I love Hamas and way to go on October seventh. If there was, trust me, you would have heard about it for by now. And when he's given interviews and he gave a lot of interviews in his role as like a student leader here, he was, you know, quite clear about his commitment to equality and dignity for both the Palistinian people and the Jewish people. But in any case, I think the other way you can look at it is that by taking a maximalist stand with this relatively sympathetic person who didn't commit a crime, who is a permanent resident and not a visa holder, you know, they are first of all inviting a huge for account which they seem to relish, and second of all, once you've gotten away with that, then everything else is easy. Right, then you've laid all this track and created this massive space within which you can operate. So I'm not sure that it's the sort of like tactical mistake. I don't even think they see They seem to relish this fight. They seem to feel that they are on very firm political ground and are quite happy to use makmu Khalil and make an example of.

The other way to look at it, and I'm not sure on the legal piece, you might be right, but you know, there is a legal battle that will unfold here and it's not entirely clear cut which way it will go. It does look like the administration is like immigration judge shopping. That's why Khalil was flown all the way down to Louisiana was because I think they like their chances there better than they did in New York or New Jersey. But in any case, you know, one way to look at it is like, oh, this is such a screw up. They should have picked someone who committed a crime. It was on a student visa. It was open and shut, and no one could even even I couldn't like say that it was that they didn't have the right to do it, and it would right present a much more, a much less profound a bridging of civil rights than what this a permanent resident. And also he's just a sympathetic gu I'm about to show you a video of him as well, and you'll see his wife is eight months pregnant. She's an American citizen. You listen to him talk on CNN et cetera, and he's saying, like, I actually think the libert you know, the liberation of the Jewish people and the Palestinian people go hand in glove, and that's why I support equal rights for all. Like people have been digging through everything this man has said at this point and have not come up with anything that is like even out of I don't think should be out of bounds at all. So you know, there was no like I love Hamas and way to go on October seventh. If there was, trust me, you would have heard about it for by now. And when he's given interviews and he gave a lot of interviews in his role as like a student leader here, he was, you know, quite clear about his commitment to equality and dignity for both the Palistinian people and the Jewish people. But in any case, I think the other way you can look at it is that by taking a maximalist stand with this relatively sympathetic person who didn't commit a crime, who is a permanent resident and not a visa holder, you know, they are first of all inviting a huge for account which they seem to relish, and second of all, once you've gotten away with that, then everything else is easy. Right, then you've laid all this track and created this massive space within which you can operate. So I'm not sure that it's the sort of like tactical mistake. I don't even think they see They seem to relish this fight. They seem to feel that they are on very firm political ground and are quite happy to use makmu Khalil and make an example of.

Him in the immediate term. I mean, I think we're being honest, they probably are on good political ground.

Him in the immediate term. I mean, I think we're being honest, they probably are on good political ground.

I mean, people don't really care much about Palestine protesters outside of like the left. If you still look at the overall if you overall approval rating for Israel still quite high, especially amongst Republicans, amongst boomers. It's definitely true things have changed amongst the Democrats. But I mean, nobody's shedding tears really for student protesters.

I mean, people don't really care much about Palestine protesters outside of like the left. If you still look at the overall if you overall approval rating for Israel still quite high, especially amongst Republicans, amongst boomers. It's definitely true things have changed amongst the Democrats. But I mean, nobody's shedding tears really for student protesters.

Yeah, I don't think You're probably probably right. I will say, listen, being a free the Free Speech Party was a core part of their pitch this time around.

Yeah, I don't think You're probably probably right. I will say, listen, being a free the Free Speech Party was a core part of their pitch this time around.

That ideological consistency from the likes of them, Right, But.

That ideological consistency from the likes of them, Right, But.

I'm saying, you know, I were able to take what if you looked at like the specifics of you know, this or that white nationalists saying terrible things, you would say, okay, well, this isn't like really good political ground. But when they framed it in the context of like, no, this is a fight over free speech, and they are the cancel culture ones, and there're snowflakes and the woke mob and whatever, it ended up being very politically powerful for them. So there's nothing that says that similar abuses directed at machmu Khalil, and they say that, you know, he's the first of many to come can't similarly turn people off, and you know, and also the overreaches of post nine to eleven. Eventually there was a backlash against that as well. So you you may well be correct, but I don't think it's quite as clear cut as that. But I do want to share with you guys, and then we'll get to his lawyer, et cetera. But I do want to share with you because we've talked so much about him. Mak Mukhalil in his own words, He actually was filmed as part of a documentary put together. Breakthrough News shared this. It's being released this year by Watermelon Pictures and executive produced by Maclamore, and they have an interview in here with Mounkhalio talking about his family's journey and how they ended up in this refugee camp in Syria. This is D seven. Guys, D seven, go ahead and play this.

I'm saying, you know, I were able to take what if you looked at like the specifics of you know, this or that white nationalists saying terrible things, you would say, okay, well, this isn't like really good political ground. But when they framed it in the context of like, no, this is a fight over free speech, and they are the cancel culture ones, and there're snowflakes and the woke mob and whatever, it ended up being very politically powerful for them. So there's nothing that says that similar abuses directed at machmu Khalil, and they say that, you know, he's the first of many to come can't similarly turn people off, and you know, and also the overreaches of post nine to eleven. Eventually there was a backlash against that as well. So you you may well be correct, but I don't think it's quite as clear cut as that. But I do want to share with you guys, and then we'll get to his lawyer, et cetera. But I do want to share with you because we've talked so much about him. Mak Mukhalil in his own words, He actually was filmed as part of a documentary put together. Breakthrough News shared this. It's being released this year by Watermelon Pictures and executive produced by Maclamore, and they have an interview in here with Mounkhalio talking about his family's journey and how they ended up in this refugee camp in Syria. This is D seven. Guys, D seven, go ahead and play this.

I was born and raised in a Palestine refugee camp in southern Damascus in Syria. My family's history in Palestine actually goes back to as long as my grand parent could trace it. They lived in a very small village right next to Tiberia's. Mostly they were farmers. My grandmother she used to tell us that she had Jewish neighbors. They would share a piece of land where they would farm. Tiberius was one of the first cities that the Zionists targeted in nineteen forty eight, with Nick Lansing. In April nineteen forty eight, a month before the Nakuba, the Zionus militias they burned one of their villages. When they heard the news about it, they had to leave immediately. Some of the men went to fight. Big families. They had to go to Syria. My grandmother, she was pregnant at that time. She had to walk forty miles. She gave birth on their way. When they arrived in the refugee camp, they thought it's just a matter of days until they would go back. They did not want to be killed because they heard about the herror stories across Tiberia's. My dad was born in a tent. His family lived in that tent until like mid seventies, when they upgraded to small structures. In the nineties, they finally kind of like had concrete buildings. To us, it was always a temporary home until we go back to Palestine.

I was born and raised in a Palestine refugee camp in southern Damascus in Syria. My family's history in Palestine actually goes back to as long as my grand parent could trace it. They lived in a very small village right next to Tiberia's. Mostly they were farmers. My grandmother she used to tell us that she had Jewish neighbors. They would share a piece of land where they would farm. Tiberius was one of the first cities that the Zionists targeted in nineteen forty eight, with Nick Lansing. In April nineteen forty eight, a month before the Nakuba, the Zionus militias they burned one of their villages. When they heard the news about it, they had to leave immediately. Some of the men went to fight. Big families. They had to go to Syria. My grandmother, she was pregnant at that time. She had to walk forty miles. She gave birth on their way. When they arrived in the refugee camp, they thought it's just a matter of days until they would go back. They did not want to be killed because they heard about the herror stories across Tiberia's. My dad was born in a tent. His family lived in that tent until like mid seventies, when they upgraded to small structures. In the nineties, they finally kind of like had concrete buildings. To us, it was always a temporary home until we go back to Palestine.

So that's a little bit of his backstory there and how his family ended up in this refugee camp in Syria. We do have some legal updates for you guys with regard to his case. You could put D three up on the screen here. So there was a hearing in Federal District Court in Manhattan yesterday about the nature of his detention, and so the judge ordered, and again this is a federal district court, so this is not an immigration judge. He will also see an immigration judge about the merits of his case and whether or not the government has offered sufficient grounds to revoke his green card and sport him. But they said he he has to remain in Louisiana for now. He set a schedule for Wednesday for the lawyers to present written arguments later this week. He set his order to keep Khalil in an immigration detention facility in Louisiana was not due to the merits of any arguments, but to provide time to address the important issues that this case raises. The judge directed Khalil's lawyers be allowed phone calls with their client, which apparently is something that has been blocked up to this point. The lawyer was having very a huge amount of difficulty getting in touch with Mackmud Khalil and his lawyers set our access to our clients severely limited by the fact that he is in Louisiana. Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of Mackmoud Khalil's lawyer talking about, you know, their belief that they'll be vindicated with the case. And also he talked a little bit too about here the role of Colombia. And there's been some reporting come out emails for release that Mackmood was messaging the administrators Columbian saying, look, I really fear for my safety. I'm getting all of these threats. I feel fear ICE is going to come in and snatch me up, and they you know, they did nothing, and of course this is exactly what happened. Let's go ahead and take a listen to his lawyer.

So that's a little bit of his backstory there and how his family ended up in this refugee camp in Syria. We do have some legal updates for you guys with regard to his case. You could put D three up on the screen here. So there was a hearing in Federal District Court in Manhattan yesterday about the nature of his detention, and so the judge ordered, and again this is a federal district court, so this is not an immigration judge. He will also see an immigration judge about the merits of his case and whether or not the government has offered sufficient grounds to revoke his green card and sport him. But they said he he has to remain in Louisiana for now. He set a schedule for Wednesday for the lawyers to present written arguments later this week. He set his order to keep Khalil in an immigration detention facility in Louisiana was not due to the merits of any arguments, but to provide time to address the important issues that this case raises. The judge directed Khalil's lawyers be allowed phone calls with their client, which apparently is something that has been blocked up to this point. The lawyer was having very a huge amount of difficulty getting in touch with Mackmud Khalil and his lawyers set our access to our clients severely limited by the fact that he is in Louisiana. Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of Mackmoud Khalil's lawyer talking about, you know, their belief that they'll be vindicated with the case. And also he talked a little bit too about here the role of Colombia. And there's been some reporting come out emails for release that Mackmood was messaging the administrators Columbian saying, look, I really fear for my safety. I'm getting all of these threats. I feel fear ICE is going to come in and snatch me up, and they you know, they did nothing, and of course this is exactly what happened. Let's go ahead and take a listen to his lawyer.

Every day the mood spends in detention in Louisiana, as a day two law we ad be fully intent to vindicate not just his first a memory of rights, but those of all Americans, frankly, and all lawful private residence and anybody who wants to speak out. It simply cannot be the case that you can be disappeared to basically put the university on notice that he was feeling, you know, unprotected by the university, and that he was worried about detention by ICE and dosing and actions by private actors. He was in fear for his life and well being. That that is accurate. He did send that email to the head of Columbia University, and I think his email raises an important question. This is university that has spent the better part of the last year talking about its duty to protect students and to keep them safe. But in a scenario where numerous students are being approached by ICE on Columbia's campus, and one Columbia student, Mahmoud Gharid, has been effectively disappeared by US government agents again on Columbia's property. The university has been remarkably absent and silent, and.

Every day the mood spends in detention in Louisiana, as a day two law we ad be fully intent to vindicate not just his first a memory of rights, but those of all Americans, frankly, and all lawful private residence and anybody who wants to speak out. It simply cannot be the case that you can be disappeared to basically put the university on notice that he was feeling, you know, unprotected by the university, and that he was worried about detention by ICE and dosing and actions by private actors. He was in fear for his life and well being. That that is accurate. He did send that email to the head of Columbia University, and I think his email raises an important question. This is university that has spent the better part of the last year talking about its duty to protect students and to keep them safe. But in a scenario where numerous students are being approached by ICE on Columbia's campus, and one Columbia student, Mahmoud Gharid, has been effectively disappeared by US government agents again on Columbia's property. The university has been remarkably absent and silent, and.

The university is coming under increasing scrutiny. There was a New York Times article that went inside a pretty stunning meeting that happened on campus to could put this up on the screen. So the headline here is at Columbia, attention over Gaza protests hits a breaking point under Trump. Let me read you a little bit of this, they say. Days after immigration officers arrested a prominent pro palest ining campus activist, administrators at Columbia University gathered students and faculty from the journalism school and issued a warning students who were not US citizens should avoid publishing work on Gaza, Ukraine and protests related to their former classmates. Arrest ur Stuart carl, a First Amendment lawyer and adjunct professor with about two months ago before graduating. Their academic accomplishments or even their freedom could be at risk if they attracted the ire of the Trump administration. Quote, if you have a social media page. Make sure it is not filled with commentary on the Middle East, he told the gathering in Fulitzer Hall. When a Palestinian student objected the journalism school's dean, Jilani, Cobb was more direct about the school's inability to defend international students from federal prosecution. Quote, nobody can protect you, mister Cobb said, these are dangerous times.

The university is coming under increasing scrutiny. There was a New York Times article that went inside a pretty stunning meeting that happened on campus to could put this up on the screen. So the headline here is at Columbia, attention over Gaza protests hits a breaking point under Trump. Let me read you a little bit of this, they say. Days after immigration officers arrested a prominent pro palest ining campus activist, administrators at Columbia University gathered students and faculty from the journalism school and issued a warning students who were not US citizens should avoid publishing work on Gaza, Ukraine and protests related to their former classmates. Arrest ur Stuart carl, a First Amendment lawyer and adjunct professor with about two months ago before graduating. Their academic accomplishments or even their freedom could be at risk if they attracted the ire of the Trump administration. Quote, if you have a social media page. Make sure it is not filled with commentary on the Middle East, he told the gathering in Fulitzer Hall. When a Palestinian student objected the journalism school's dean, Jilani, Cobb was more direct about the school's inability to defend international students from federal prosecution. Quote, nobody can protect you, mister Cobb said, these are dangerous times.

Yeah, I don't know why everyone's mad at him.

Yeah, I don't know why everyone's mad at him.

He's right, he worked like, what you're going to go up against the United States government?

He's right, he worked like, what you're going to go up against the United States government?

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

And look, I mean I talked about this before, but I know a lot of leftists don't want to hear this. You don't have a right to be here. You are a guest in our country. And if you're going to shit stir against the current US government, good luck to you.

And look, I mean I talked about this before, but I know a lot of leftists don't want to hear this. You don't have a right to be here. You are a guest in our country. And if you're going to shit stir against the current US government, good luck to you.

You know.

You know.

I wish he the best. I don't cardholder.

I wish he the best. I don't cardholder.

But even if you're the same First Amendment right, you.

But even if you're the same First Amendment right, you.

Have a First Amendment right to say what you want.

Have a First Amendment right to say what you want.

The government is right to be able to revoke your systems, and they're going to revoke the residency, which they're going to true. No, even if they provide him due process, and they can make this case based on the I in s he's going to go. He get maybe it'll take three months, maybe it'll take six, Like you don't have a right to be here. This is where I do get a little bit annoyed. Where at this idea that you know, oh, what are they supposed to protect you? Like by what standing in the door against the government? Like okay, you know again, like on a sympathy perspective, you're not winning. You're not a citizen, you don't You can't just come here and expect to be able to do whatever you want without consequence.

The government is right to be able to revoke your systems, and they're going to revoke the residency, which they're going to true. No, even if they provide him due process, and they can make this case based on the I in s he's going to go. He get maybe it'll take three months, maybe it'll take six, Like you don't have a right to be here. This is where I do get a little bit annoyed. Where at this idea that you know, oh, what are they supposed to protect you? Like by what standing in the door against the government? Like okay, you know again, like on a sympathy perspective, you're not winning. You're not a citizen, you don't You can't just come here and expect to be able to do whatever you want without consequence.

Well, I think the expectation that you would be able to protest foreign government and critique policies I think is very reasonable.

Well, I think the expectation that you would be able to protest foreign government and critique policies I think is very reasonable.

One. I think that you are a permanent live in reality.

One. I think that you are a permanent live in reality.

You do have First Amendment rights and free speech rights. So you know, if it was a student visa holder, then the legal case is much more clear with this. No, I mean these are this is true like McCarthyite red scare insanity, And I understand what you're saying about, like he is right, nobody can protect you. The other piece, but this comes in the context of Columbia University make a big show about how their number one priorities student safety in the context of you know, Jewish students who were upset by the protests, but now that you have one of your own students being snatched from your campus without a warrant even being offered after he came to you and was like please, I like, I need help, and you did nothing. That's where comments like this end up, you know, end up landing very poorly. But you know, the other thing I would say about this is this is exactly the reaction that the Trump administration is you know, expects and is manufacturing, and you know that it will chill all protests and speech, and people will be afraid to speak out. They'll be afraid to post on social media, they'll be afraid to go to the protest, they'll be afraid to write articles. There was somebody who wrote an op ed at Columbia who got like, you know, disciplined by the Columbia University administration, et cetera. And so you know this is this is the goal of this policy is to make an example of him and to scare people from speaking out on this issue. I don't know if you saw this. This is crazy, just like side note, but I think is sort of facilitating encouraged by this crackdown from the Trump administration, which is the mayor of Miami is trying to pull the lease of an independent movie theater that dared to show the Oscar Award winning documentary about the occupied West Bank no other land they you know, they had a screening of it, and now he's trying to pull the lease so that this theater is destroyed. Like this climate is insane. It really is not safe for anyone to offer, you know, their criticism of a foreign government and to have this this crackdown in this spectacle and use Machmud Khalil, who again committed no crimes. We've been offered no evidence even that he was, you know, a supporter of Hamas or anything. They just assume he is because he was pro Palestinian. Like, it's it's ountrageous. People should be discussed by it.

You do have First Amendment rights and free speech rights. So you know, if it was a student visa holder, then the legal case is much more clear with this. No, I mean these are this is true like McCarthyite red scare insanity, And I understand what you're saying about, like he is right, nobody can protect you. The other piece, but this comes in the context of Columbia University make a big show about how their number one priorities student safety in the context of you know, Jewish students who were upset by the protests, but now that you have one of your own students being snatched from your campus without a warrant even being offered after he came to you and was like please, I like, I need help, and you did nothing. That's where comments like this end up, you know, end up landing very poorly. But you know, the other thing I would say about this is this is exactly the reaction that the Trump administration is you know, expects and is manufacturing, and you know that it will chill all protests and speech, and people will be afraid to speak out. They'll be afraid to post on social media, they'll be afraid to go to the protest, they'll be afraid to write articles. There was somebody who wrote an op ed at Columbia who got like, you know, disciplined by the Columbia University administration, et cetera. And so you know this is this is the goal of this policy is to make an example of him and to scare people from speaking out on this issue. I don't know if you saw this. This is crazy, just like side note, but I think is sort of facilitating encouraged by this crackdown from the Trump administration, which is the mayor of Miami is trying to pull the lease of an independent movie theater that dared to show the Oscar Award winning documentary about the occupied West Bank no other land they you know, they had a screening of it, and now he's trying to pull the lease so that this theater is destroyed. Like this climate is insane. It really is not safe for anyone to offer, you know, their criticism of a foreign government and to have this this crackdown in this spectacle and use Machmud Khalil, who again committed no crimes. We've been offered no evidence even that he was, you know, a supporter of Hamas or anything. They just assume he is because he was pro Palestinian. Like, it's it's ountrageous. People should be discussed by it.

I don't.

I don't.

I have no disagreement that this is not what should happen. But I also think if you're an international student and if you value your presence here in the United States, Joanni Cobb is correct and that you like it's like, what point do you want maybe if you want to create a spectacle of yourself getting deported. Okay, fine, but you know you should be honest to about that. I just see Cobb getting attacked over this. He is correct. The government has immense power.

I have no disagreement that this is not what should happen. But I also think if you're an international student and if you value your presence here in the United States, Joanni Cobb is correct and that you like it's like, what point do you want maybe if you want to create a spectacle of yourself getting deported. Okay, fine, but you know you should be honest to about that. I just see Cobb getting attacked over this. He is correct. The government has immense power.

I really just.

I really just.

Don't know what reality people are living in. One for hipocrisy, Like, yeah, you're right, are these the Jewish student safety? Is that all bullshit? Absolutely?

Don't know what reality people are living in. One for hipocrisy, Like, yeah, you're right, are these the Jewish student safety? Is that all bullshit? Absolutely?

One? Elections have consequences.

One? Elections have consequences.

I mean, who do you think one the election is now setting this standards.

I mean, who do you think one the election is now setting this standards.

We as a marri was told this was the free speech party. I mean, Chris censorship, government censorship was going to be the past.

We as a marri was told this was the free speech party. I mean, Chris censorship, government censorship was going to be the past.

You can all point hipocrisy in all directions and nobody is truly ideological consistent.

You can all point hipocrisy in all directions and nobody is truly ideological consistent.

I think this is bad, you know.

I think this is bad, you know.

I mean I think that a lot of conservative free speech people are either humiliated by this silent and or showing themselves despite getting filthy rich off of talking about identity politics and cancel culture, are now cheering this on. Yeah you should, you know, absolutely speak out against them and vote with your dollars or your eyeballs or how say you to speak. But I also think these students are going to get shit advice if they're being told like we're going to protect you nobody can protect you against the government and against visa like you're not in government, No, but you are not. This is this is where I get annoyed. You're not an American citizen. At the end of the day, we can you can kick you out no matter what. You should take that intoidation true.

I mean I think that a lot of conservative free speech people are either humiliated by this silent and or showing themselves despite getting filthy rich off of talking about identity politics and cancel culture, are now cheering this on. Yeah you should, you know, absolutely speak out against them and vote with your dollars or your eyeballs or how say you to speak. But I also think these students are going to get shit advice if they're being told like we're going to protect you nobody can protect you against the government and against visa like you're not in government, No, but you are not. This is this is where I get annoyed. You're not an American citizen. At the end of the day, we can you can kick you out no matter what. You should take that intoidation true.

Those Soccer permanent residents, Oh, you have to do almost all the same rights.

Those Soccer permanent residents, Oh, you have to do almost all the same rights.

As he can be offered due process to do progress, and he will get it and he will still.

As he can be offered due process to do progress, and he will get it and he will still.

The other thing Soccer is that they invented like it's not like this provision has been routinely used and everyone should know that, like Marco Rubio can just decide that you're a threat to our national security, which is utterly preposterous. The idea that Mackmud Khalil is undermining our global fight against anti Semitism, which, by the way, nothing is sparking more anti Semitism than Israel's genocide and Gaza and are enabling of it. So you know, maybe there's some people who need to be deported for the way that they're sparking anti Semitism with their approach to all of this. But putting all of that aside, this has almost never been used in this way, like, I don't know that it has ever been used in this way. So again, the legal theory is not at all settled. You do have rights as a permanent resident Green card holder. Makmu did not do anything wrong here whatsoever. And if it was, the shoe was on the other foot. And you had Joe Biden and Kamala Harris saying that anti racism is one of our foreign policy goals, Well they did so, and we're going to deport anyone who is either on a student visa or a Green card holder who is a Trump supporter, because we believe Trump is racist in his movement is racist, and this undermines our foreign policy. That would also be insane, and the right would be correctly up at arms, and it would be authoritarian, and it would be an abridgment of free speech and First Amendment rights. So yeah, this is an outrageous assault on civil rights of everyone. Because if they can find some little provision that they can hang their hat on to try to revoke this guy's permanent resident status and deport him, you don't think that they can find some little provision that can criminalize your speech for saying something very similar even if you are a US citizen, Like, they just are pushing the bounds as much as they possibly can, and there is not just nothing to protect people who are from a foreign country, there is nothing to protect anybody at this point.

The other thing Soccer is that they invented like it's not like this provision has been routinely used and everyone should know that, like Marco Rubio can just decide that you're a threat to our national security, which is utterly preposterous. The idea that Mackmud Khalil is undermining our global fight against anti Semitism, which, by the way, nothing is sparking more anti Semitism than Israel's genocide and Gaza and are enabling of it. So you know, maybe there's some people who need to be deported for the way that they're sparking anti Semitism with their approach to all of this. But putting all of that aside, this has almost never been used in this way, like, I don't know that it has ever been used in this way. So again, the legal theory is not at all settled. You do have rights as a permanent resident Green card holder. Makmu did not do anything wrong here whatsoever. And if it was, the shoe was on the other foot. And you had Joe Biden and Kamala Harris saying that anti racism is one of our foreign policy goals, Well they did so, and we're going to deport anyone who is either on a student visa or a Green card holder who is a Trump supporter, because we believe Trump is racist in his movement is racist, and this undermines our foreign policy. That would also be insane, and the right would be correctly up at arms, and it would be authoritarian, and it would be an abridgment of free speech and First Amendment rights. So yeah, this is an outrageous assault on civil rights of everyone. Because if they can find some little provision that they can hang their hat on to try to revoke this guy's permanent resident status and deport him, you don't think that they can find some little provision that can criminalize your speech for saying something very similar even if you are a US citizen, Like, they just are pushing the bounds as much as they possibly can, and there is not just nothing to protect people who are from a foreign country, there is nothing to protect anybody at this point.

Well, I see, that's where I just think that's not true. I mean, at the end of the day, you're right that mood is due due process, but they can just give him due process and still deport him. I mean, listen, I hope that the legal theory doesn't end up correctly because I don't want this definition of anti semitism to stand period. I always hope that the Supreme Court would be able to strike it down as an obvious overreach. But that's just not really how they've interpreted the law in the past whenever it does come to the ability to have deportation proceedings against somebody else. And I understand why people are getting upset. As I said, I think the principle is really really bad. I guess I'm just coming back to these international students seem to think that they have a quote right to be here, to be able to say what they want and also stay here. And it's like, guys, nobody should be giving you that opinion, Like, really, Jolani Cobb, I think was correct. You're not wrong that they're hypocritical in terms of how they are phrasing all this stuff about student safety. But I mean, if you really believed all that, I didn't know what to tell you. If it's pretty obvious from the beginning they got their four hundred million dollars cut in. Of course this is a reaction Robert Kraft Center for one hundred million dollars, you think gives it to them for free? Like, what do you think this whole thing is about?

Well, I see, that's where I just think that's not true. I mean, at the end of the day, you're right that mood is due due process, but they can just give him due process and still deport him. I mean, listen, I hope that the legal theory doesn't end up correctly because I don't want this definition of anti semitism to stand period. I always hope that the Supreme Court would be able to strike it down as an obvious overreach. But that's just not really how they've interpreted the law in the past whenever it does come to the ability to have deportation proceedings against somebody else. And I understand why people are getting upset. As I said, I think the principle is really really bad. I guess I'm just coming back to these international students seem to think that they have a quote right to be here, to be able to say what they want and also stay here. And it's like, guys, nobody should be giving you that opinion, Like, really, Jolani Cobb, I think was correct. You're not wrong that they're hypocritical in terms of how they are phrasing all this stuff about student safety. But I mean, if you really believed all that, I didn't know what to tell you. If it's pretty obvious from the beginning they got their four hundred million dollars cut in. Of course this is a reaction Robert Kraft Center for one hundred million dollars, you think gives it to them for free? Like, what do you think this whole thing is about?

Right?

Right?

This is a private money making scheme that's basically I guess, built on idealism and shelling out eighty thousand dollars a year. So, if anything, it's more like removing the veneer of where all this is about. But I also don't think that this is necessarily I'm not saying this isn't an assault on free speech, on free speech principles, but it is still fundamentally different than a United States citizen. You know, if a United States citizen is having their actual rights abridged by the government as a result of what they say about a foreign about a foreign conflict, that's genuinely another matter whenever it comes to this, and I don't think that Trump administration will go there because everybody knows that that would be that would be categorically one hundred times more insane than what's happening here.

This is a private money making scheme that's basically I guess, built on idealism and shelling out eighty thousand dollars a year. So, if anything, it's more like removing the veneer of where all this is about. But I also don't think that this is necessarily I'm not saying this isn't an assault on free speech, on free speech principles, but it is still fundamentally different than a United States citizen. You know, if a United States citizen is having their actual rights abridged by the government as a result of what they say about a foreign about a foreign conflict, that's genuinely another matter whenever it comes to this, and I don't think that Trump administration will go there because everybody knows that that would be that would be categorically one hundred times more insane than what's happening here.

Last point, there is a distinction because he's a Green card holder and not an American citizen. However, he does have this and that's why this is dangerous abridgment of everyone's First Amendment rights, because he does have the same First Amendment rights that an American citizen has. That why, I mean, what we've seen since the passage of the Patriot Act is step by step, by step by step, more and more civil liberties taken away. And so if this abridgment of his First Amendment rights, which again are the same as yours and mine, if that is allowed to stand, yes, that has potential reverberating impacts on American citizens as well.

Last point, there is a distinction because he's a Green card holder and not an American citizen. However, he does have this and that's why this is dangerous abridgment of everyone's First Amendment rights, because he does have the same First Amendment rights that an American citizen has. That why, I mean, what we've seen since the passage of the Patriot Act is step by step, by step by step, more and more civil liberties taken away. And so if this abridgment of his First Amendment rights, which again are the same as yours and mine, if that is allowed to stand, yes, that has potential reverberating impacts on American citizens as well.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I think it's a fair point. I do.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I think it's a fair point. I do.

Yeah, we'll continue to cover the proceedings because the point there is still very important for what the court case actually decides, as I hope that they strike it down specifically, this anti semitism definition. There is nothing stupider than that. And don't forget there have been previous legal challenges. Abby Martin successfully challenged that BDS law in Georgia. I hope it becomes a national standard and I would love to see it. There's nobody who would like it more than me. But I do think it's you know, you're playing with fire too. Whenever you're going up against the US government, why don't we get to the Democrats?

Yeah, we'll continue to cover the proceedings because the point there is still very important for what the court case actually decides, as I hope that they strike it down specifically, this anti semitism definition. There is nothing stupider than that. And don't forget there have been previous legal challenges. Abby Martin successfully challenged that BDS law in Georgia. I hope it becomes a national standard and I would love to see it. There's nobody who would like it more than me. But I do think it's you know, you're playing with fire too. Whenever you're going up against the US government, why don't we get to the Democrats?

Okay, so we had Melissus Lukin, who I don't know what these people are thinking, but former spook who is now being offered as like the new faith of the Democratic Party. She gave the response to Trump's State of the Union and longed for the days of Ronald Reagan. I'm like, you just can't make this up now. She had a guest appearance on The View where she talked about her view of the country and what's going on right now politically. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

Okay, so we had Melissus Lukin, who I don't know what these people are thinking, but former spook who is now being offered as like the new faith of the Democratic Party. She gave the response to Trump's State of the Union and longed for the days of Ronald Reagan. I'm like, you just can't make this up now. She had a guest appearance on The View where she talked about her view of the country and what's going on right now politically. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

I think there's a feeling in the country. But I always often say this. You know, we're about to turn two hundred and fifty years old, right, We're still pretty.

I think there's a feeling in the country. But I always often say this. You know, we're about to turn two hundred and fifty years old, right, We're still pretty.

Young for a country.

Young for a country.

These are our like our angry teenage years, right, we are going through this push and pull where we're happy, we're sad, we want this, we want that. And what do you do when you have a teenager who's threatening themselves and others. You just try to get them through this period alive so that their brain can fully form and you can come back to kind of what the country I'm talking about, our country, we're a pendulum swinging, we're mondulum swinging. And so for me, I think that this I don't think there's a single American who feels like this is normal.

These are our like our angry teenage years, right, we are going through this push and pull where we're happy, we're sad, we want this, we want that. And what do you do when you have a teenager who's threatening themselves and others. You just try to get them through this period alive so that their brain can fully form and you can come back to kind of what the country I'm talking about, our country, we're a pendulum swinging, we're mondulum swinging. And so for me, I think that this I don't think there's a single American who feels like this is normal.

H And you know she workshopped that shit. Yeah, like she really thought she was gonna nail it with that one.

H And you know she workshopped that shit. Yeah, like she really thought she was gonna nail it with that one.

And it's like that's pretty insulting.

And it's like that's pretty insulting.

Yeah, it's your reaction. I'll tell you what brought to mind for me.

Yeah, it's your reaction. I'll tell you what brought to mind for me.

Yeah, for me, it's just like deeply insulting and elitist trying to talk down to people in general. What you want to do as a politician, and I would struggle with this is meet people where they are. As evidence by my old age comments during the Social Security I can say that I'm a commentator, but you're not supposed to talk about this stuff as if you are some child who is easily swayed and not actually taking your concern seriously. I think that was the real problem, not only with her comments, but also in the diagnosis of what the problem to address there is, Because if it is purely an emotional problem, then you have to meet it only with emotion and with rhetoric. If it was a problem and a reaction against policy decisions or the conditions of our lives, then the appropriate diagnosis is very, very different in the way that you would meet those twos.

Yeah, for me, it's just like deeply insulting and elitist trying to talk down to people in general. What you want to do as a politician, and I would struggle with this is meet people where they are. As evidence by my old age comments during the Social Security I can say that I'm a commentator, but you're not supposed to talk about this stuff as if you are some child who is easily swayed and not actually taking your concern seriously. I think that was the real problem, not only with her comments, but also in the diagnosis of what the problem to address there is, Because if it is purely an emotional problem, then you have to meet it only with emotion and with rhetoric. If it was a problem and a reaction against policy decisions or the conditions of our lives, then the appropriate diagnosis is very, very different in the way that you would meet those twos.

Yeah, that's kind of how I saw it.

Yeah, that's kind of how I saw it.

Yeah, I think that there's so I read a lot into it, actually, because I mean, just knowing her ideology, like she's just like you know, a standard establishment downlib whatever number one. If it's if it's just the angry teenage years, it's just like something that naturally occurs that you just have to let it run its course and get to the other side. And it's like, well, then you are completely avoiding the root causes of what led the country to be in such tunnel. You know, you're completely avoiding the way the Iraq War radicalized people, the way that the financial crisis screwed people, over the way that neoliberal failures to improve the material conditions of people for them to be able to afford like a basic, stable, middle class life. The way that it's stripped apart communities. Like, if this is just a natural thing that you have to go through, then there's no blame to a sign of how we ended up here. That's number one. And number two, there's nothing you really have to do to deal with it either. It's like, oh, well, they'll just you know, after a period of time, they'll get it onto their system and their hormones will calm down and they'll go back to being you know, normal human beings. It's like, no, actually, there needs to be a reckoning. There needs to be a reckoning specifically within the Democratic Party and their betrayals and their you know, coziness with a billionaire class that has led them astray from your core mission that used to be delivering for working class people. You know, it leads you to that conclusion of like a James carvill of like just let them punch themselves out and don't really do anything and listen. Politically, maybe because they're betting on things are going to be a disaster for Trump. Maybe it's possible, you know, it's not looking that great for him right at this moment. It's not looking great for Republicans right at this moment, especially since Trump probably can't run for another term again and there's no one else who has really a little like charisman star power to pull off the things that he's able to pull off. But in terms of actually, you know, building a durable majority, delivering for people, there has to be a true reckoning within the party. And so in addition to I think you're right about the sort of like connescession sension elitism that comes from this, which is ironic because she's being pitched as like, oh, she's from Michigan, so she really understands people. Whatever. But I also, to me, the bigger problem is it lets everybody off the hook, both from the root causes and for what needs to happen now to write the ship.

Yeah, I think that there's so I read a lot into it, actually, because I mean, just knowing her ideology, like she's just like you know, a standard establishment downlib whatever number one. If it's if it's just the angry teenage years, it's just like something that naturally occurs that you just have to let it run its course and get to the other side. And it's like, well, then you are completely avoiding the root causes of what led the country to be in such tunnel. You know, you're completely avoiding the way the Iraq War radicalized people, the way that the financial crisis screwed people, over the way that neoliberal failures to improve the material conditions of people for them to be able to afford like a basic, stable, middle class life. The way that it's stripped apart communities. Like, if this is just a natural thing that you have to go through, then there's no blame to a sign of how we ended up here. That's number one. And number two, there's nothing you really have to do to deal with it either. It's like, oh, well, they'll just you know, after a period of time, they'll get it onto their system and their hormones will calm down and they'll go back to being you know, normal human beings. It's like, no, actually, there needs to be a reckoning. There needs to be a reckoning specifically within the Democratic Party and their betrayals and their you know, coziness with a billionaire class that has led them astray from your core mission that used to be delivering for working class people. You know, it leads you to that conclusion of like a James carvill of like just let them punch themselves out and don't really do anything and listen. Politically, maybe because they're betting on things are going to be a disaster for Trump. Maybe it's possible, you know, it's not looking that great for him right at this moment. It's not looking great for Republicans right at this moment, especially since Trump probably can't run for another term again and there's no one else who has really a little like charisman star power to pull off the things that he's able to pull off. But in terms of actually, you know, building a durable majority, delivering for people, there has to be a true reckoning within the party. And so in addition to I think you're right about the sort of like connescession sension elitism that comes from this, which is ironic because she's being pitched as like, oh, she's from Michigan, so she really understands people. Whatever. But I also, to me, the bigger problem is it lets everybody off the hook, both from the root causes and for what needs to happen now to write the ship.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I completely agree with that diagnosis. And it is interesting too because that's how these more establishment folks seem to be meeting the moment. You flagged a bunch of moments here from Gavin Newsome and Steve Bannon on the podcast.

I completely agree with that diagnosis. And it is interesting too because that's how these more establishment folks seem to be meeting the moment. You flagged a bunch of moments here from Gavin Newsome and Steve Bannon on the podcast.

Yeah, well, I just want to set this up a little bit before we get to greasy Gavin and sloppy Steve here. So this is I think the order is. I think this is Gavin Newsom's third podcast of his new series, which by the way, he is apparently using campaign funds to promote it, which seems wrong to me, but whatever, that's what's happening. And all three of them have been right wing like commentators or influencers. You had Charlie Kirk was number one, Michael Savage, who's like a right wing radio host I guess, was number two, and then you have Steve Bannon. I think that's the right order. So when I saw originally that that was the direction he was going in, because the first two were announced right away, so you knew he was leading off with these conservative commentators, I was like, Oh, this is actually really smart. He's going to get in there and he's going to fight with them the way he did with Ron DeSantis that was so popular with Democrats, And as we discussed earlier in the show, I don't think that the liberal base of the Democratic Party has like an ideological priority right now. They just want to see someone who can fight. And I am deeply worried because I am not a Gavin Newsom fan that someone like him, who has the rhetorical debate skills to pull off the appearance of a fighter, could snow people into thinking like this is the guy for the moment, He's got to be our next nomine or whatever. But that is not what happened. Instead, in each of these, and I've watched a good chunk of all of them, it is so friendly. It's so buddy buddy. Whoever it is the sitting or whether it's Charlie Kirk or Michael Savage, Steve Bannon are allowed to endlessly insult him number one, which is like super cuck behavior with him just sort of like laughing it off. And number two just like try to pitch people on their ideological view with next to no pushback. So as an example of that, I present to you some snippets from Gavin Newsom and Steve Bannon here from his most recent podcast, Let's take a listen.

Yeah, well, I just want to set this up a little bit before we get to greasy Gavin and sloppy Steve here. So this is I think the order is. I think this is Gavin Newsom's third podcast of his new series, which by the way, he is apparently using campaign funds to promote it, which seems wrong to me, but whatever, that's what's happening. And all three of them have been right wing like commentators or influencers. You had Charlie Kirk was number one, Michael Savage, who's like a right wing radio host I guess, was number two, and then you have Steve Bannon. I think that's the right order. So when I saw originally that that was the direction he was going in, because the first two were announced right away, so you knew he was leading off with these conservative commentators, I was like, Oh, this is actually really smart. He's going to get in there and he's going to fight with them the way he did with Ron DeSantis that was so popular with Democrats, And as we discussed earlier in the show, I don't think that the liberal base of the Democratic Party has like an ideological priority right now. They just want to see someone who can fight. And I am deeply worried because I am not a Gavin Newsom fan that someone like him, who has the rhetorical debate skills to pull off the appearance of a fighter, could snow people into thinking like this is the guy for the moment, He's got to be our next nomine or whatever. But that is not what happened. Instead, in each of these, and I've watched a good chunk of all of them, it is so friendly. It's so buddy buddy. Whoever it is the sitting or whether it's Charlie Kirk or Michael Savage, Steve Bannon are allowed to endlessly insult him number one, which is like super cuck behavior with him just sort of like laughing it off. And number two just like try to pitch people on their ideological view with next to no pushback. So as an example of that, I present to you some snippets from Gavin Newsom and Steve Bannon here from his most recent podcast, Let's take a listen.

Everything happening with the markets, everything happening with the with tariffs, everything happening with cr and a potential government.

Everything happening with the markets, everything happening with the with tariffs, everything happening with cr and a potential government.

Don't don't be given tariff stinka. I don't want to start off with stink. I already we'll streuss a terif I'm a tariff guy.

Don't don't be given tariff stinka. I don't want to start off with stink. I already we'll streuss a terif I'm a tariff guy.

I appreciate that, and we'll see, we'll see, we'll stress.

I appreciate that, and we'll see, we'll see, we'll stress.

The purpose I want to do this is I want to convert you to be a tariff guy. Also, this is this is part of the process to unwind you from being a globalist to make you a populis nationalist.

The purpose I want to do this is I want to convert you to be a tariff guy. Also, this is this is part of the process to unwind you from being a globalist to make you a populis nationalist.

It's a long journey.

It's a long journey.

It's a long journey. It's a long journey, but I think you'll get there.

It's a long journey. It's a long journey, but I think you'll get there.

This is part of the deprogramming, is it. I appreciate And by the way, for the record, I'm going down your rabbit hole right here. I'm not an absolutist as it relates to being against terroriffts by any stretched the imagination. And I thought it interesting where we what I think Biden tripled tariffs on illumined and steel, which is getting a lot of attention in this country today as relates to Canada, and Democrats weren't screaming and yelling about that.

This is part of the deprogramming, is it. I appreciate And by the way, for the record, I'm going down your rabbit hole right here. I'm not an absolutist as it relates to being against terroriffts by any stretched the imagination. And I thought it interesting where we what I think Biden tripled tariffs on illumined and steel, which is getting a lot of attention in this country today as relates to Canada, and Democrats weren't screaming and yelling about that.

So that was kind of how things kicked off. At another point, Yeah, super friendly and these oh and why these democrats So like a vertical It's like, yeah, I mean you see, you see what I'm talking about here. There was another moment where where Bannon insists repeatedly that the election was stolen from them in twenty twenty, and even on that, which is like a core liberal priority. Rebutting that, lie Gavin just kind of let's his slide. Let's take a listen.