Good morning everybody. I hope your day is off to a good start.

Good morning everybody. I hope your day is off to a good start.

We are sort of barreling towards a potential government shutdown today tonight if nothing changes. So Emily and I just wanted to give you a little update on what has happened since Breaking Points aired yesterday. Great to see you, Emily, Thank you for joining me this morning.

We are sort of barreling towards a potential government shutdown today tonight if nothing changes. So Emily and I just wanted to give you a little update on what has happened since Breaking Points aired yesterday. Great to see you, Emily, Thank you for joining me this morning.

Thanks for having me Crystal.

Thanks for having me Crystal.

Yeah, of course I need you to interpret what's going on in the Republican side of the ledger here, So let me just give people a little bit of an update. So yesterday we heard from Trump and Musk and others that they had a new deal in order to avert this government shutdown. So basically, they need to fund the government. And Trump also wants them to extend the debt sealing or get rid of the debt ceiling altogether, which is something I would certainly support, And so he put out this statement here success in Washington, Speaker Mike Johnson, the House have come to a very good deal for the American people to newly agreed to American Relief Act of twenty twenty four. We'll keep the government open, fund our great farmers, and and provide relief for those severely impacted by the very devastating hurricanes. A very important piece vital to the American First Agenda was added as well. The date of the very unnecessary debt ceiling will be pushed out two years to January thirtieth, twenty twenty seven. Now we can make America great again very quickly, which is what the people gave us a mandate to accomplish. So you will, guys will probably recall there originally was a deal that had been negotiated between Democratic and Republican leadership that both included continuing government funding and also had a lot of other pieces. So there was something that would rein in pharmacy benefit managers, there was money for research into pediactric cancer, a whole bunch of other priorities that were put into there as well. And that's what Elon Musk and some of the Republicans began vociferously objecting to and cause that whole thing to fall apart, leaving this process and told okaias so, this announcement from Trump is, hey, guys, we have another new deal that includes fewer of those other things, more just sort of like closer to a quote unquote clean continuing our resolution plus extension of the debt ceiling that they negotiated amongst themselves that went to a floor vote yesterday and you know, spoiler alert, it did not end up passing. But Emily, before we get to some of the more details, you know, what was your initial reaction to the contours of this deal as it was laid out.

Yeah, of course I need you to interpret what's going on in the Republican side of the ledger here, So let me just give people a little bit of an update. So yesterday we heard from Trump and Musk and others that they had a new deal in order to avert this government shutdown. So basically, they need to fund the government. And Trump also wants them to extend the debt sealing or get rid of the debt ceiling altogether, which is something I would certainly support, And so he put out this statement here success in Washington, Speaker Mike Johnson, the House have come to a very good deal for the American people to newly agreed to American Relief Act of twenty twenty four. We'll keep the government open, fund our great farmers, and and provide relief for those severely impacted by the very devastating hurricanes. A very important piece vital to the American First Agenda was added as well. The date of the very unnecessary debt ceiling will be pushed out two years to January thirtieth, twenty twenty seven. Now we can make America great again very quickly, which is what the people gave us a mandate to accomplish. So you will, guys will probably recall there originally was a deal that had been negotiated between Democratic and Republican leadership that both included continuing government funding and also had a lot of other pieces. So there was something that would rein in pharmacy benefit managers, there was money for research into pediactric cancer, a whole bunch of other priorities that were put into there as well. And that's what Elon Musk and some of the Republicans began vociferously objecting to and cause that whole thing to fall apart, leaving this process and told okaias so, this announcement from Trump is, hey, guys, we have another new deal that includes fewer of those other things, more just sort of like closer to a quote unquote clean continuing our resolution plus extension of the debt ceiling that they negotiated amongst themselves that went to a floor vote yesterday and you know, spoiler alert, it did not end up passing. But Emily, before we get to some of the more details, you know, what was your initial reaction to the contours of this deal as it was laid out.

Yeah, so exactly what you just said in the sense that this is twenty fourteen. Basically, this feels like the fights twenty fifteen, the fights against John Bayner, with one major difference. You know, back then, it was Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows putting together the House Freedom Caucus and saying we are always going to object to omnibus bills. Mike Johnson it comes in after Kevin McCarthy and says we're not doing omnibus bills.

Yeah, so exactly what you just said in the sense that this is twenty fourteen. Basically, this feels like the fights twenty fifteen, the fights against John Bayner, with one major difference. You know, back then, it was Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows putting together the House Freedom Caucus and saying we are always going to object to omnibus bills. Mike Johnson it comes in after Kevin McCarthy and says we're not doing omnibus bills.

We're just we're not gonna do it. So you're always.

We're just we're not gonna do it. So you're always.

Going to have the chip Roys, the Thomas Massey's of the world opposing what Mike Johnson negotiated. And he probably would have had to have Democrats for it in order to get this.

Going to have the chip Roys, the Thomas Massey's of the world opposing what Mike Johnson negotiated. And he probably would have had to have Democrats for it in order to get this.

Bill passed, and it probably would have. But this is what happened.

Bill passed, and it probably would have. But this is what happened.

Elon Musk and Viveik, now that they are in charge of the Advisory Department of Government Efficiency, realized they could not stay quiet on what Johnson was about to do, which was a very normal, conventional Washington compromise in order to avoid a Christmas shutdown. But they knew they couldn't just shut up because this thing had like funding for the Global Engagement Center, which has funded places that like suppressed conservative websites and all of those like that. You can't, as if you're head of DOGE, say oh, but we'll fix it next year. So because they intervened, this became dramatic and it wasn't going to be at all, And normally you would have had the exact same people protesting. The only difference this time around is they got a shot in the arm from Elon and Vivek, and that's where everything sort of spun into the drama.

Elon Musk and Viveik, now that they are in charge of the Advisory Department of Government Efficiency, realized they could not stay quiet on what Johnson was about to do, which was a very normal, conventional Washington compromise in order to avoid a Christmas shutdown. But they knew they couldn't just shut up because this thing had like funding for the Global Engagement Center, which has funded places that like suppressed conservative websites and all of those like that. You can't, as if you're head of DOGE, say oh, but we'll fix it next year. So because they intervened, this became dramatic and it wasn't going to be at all, And normally you would have had the exact same people protesting. The only difference this time around is they got a shot in the arm from Elon and Vivek, and that's where everything sort of spun into the drama.

Yeah, so, originally just for people to recall, Republicans control the House, but the margin is very, very very narrow. So if you even have a handful of dissenters say nope, not voting for an omnou omnibus deal, then you're done. You have to work with the Democrats. So that's what they did. Johnson had negotiated this. He seemingly felt that he had the blessing of Trump in terms of these original negotiations, and it certainly appeared, although you know, we'll get to the Trump people really pushed back on this, but it certainly appeared like Elon jumps in and forces Trump's hand because Trump doesn't really care about austerity. He has not positioned himself as an austerity politician. In fact, he's really positioned himself opposite of that, and it's part of how he was so successful in terms of the Republican Party, and so he's fine with what they're negotiating. Elon starts tweeting up a storm, causes a ruckus, creates this kind of collapse in support among the Republican caucus. So it's not just now a few dissenters, but it's most of the caucus. So you no longer have a deal that's tenable, that can be passed, so that all falls apart the new deal that they struck. This is some of the contours of it internal GOP funding deal. Johnson's expected to put on the floor funding extension for three months, clean Farm Bill extension one hundred and ten billion dollar disaster aid package as negotiated with Democrats. This is like for western North Carolina, other places that were really hard hit by the series of hurricanes. Clean healthcare provision extenders. I don't really know what that means minus PBM reform. That's actually a real loss because that pharmacy benefit reform would help to bring down prescription drug prices and is something that has bipartisan support and critically a two year suspension of the debt limit to January twenty twenty seven. And Emily, maybe you can speak a little bit to this debt limit part. But part of what's going on here, which is also funny, is Republicans have consistently used the debt limit to sort of extract concessions from Democrats. They'll use it as effectively a hostage shaking tactic. So now that Trump is going to be in the White House, he wants to not have to deal with the debt ceiling and have that hanging out there because he wants to be able to do in particular his you know, extension of the tax getting jobs actually primarily goes to the wealthy. He wants to make sure all of that is taken care of Now that is contra to the chip roy and the Thomas Massey's of the world, who don't think that they should ever vote for a debt sealing increase period. End of story. So already you can see that there are some even within the Republican Caucus, some potential fissures here, not to mention Democrats feeling like, well, screw you, guys. We had a deal. You've got control. You know, you have the majority of the House. If you want to fund if you want to figure this out amongst yourselves, go do it and leave us out of it, because the deal we negotiated you've now at this point tanked.

Yeah, so, originally just for people to recall, Republicans control the House, but the margin is very, very very narrow. So if you even have a handful of dissenters say nope, not voting for an omnou omnibus deal, then you're done. You have to work with the Democrats. So that's what they did. Johnson had negotiated this. He seemingly felt that he had the blessing of Trump in terms of these original negotiations, and it certainly appeared, although you know, we'll get to the Trump people really pushed back on this, but it certainly appeared like Elon jumps in and forces Trump's hand because Trump doesn't really care about austerity. He has not positioned himself as an austerity politician. In fact, he's really positioned himself opposite of that, and it's part of how he was so successful in terms of the Republican Party, and so he's fine with what they're negotiating. Elon starts tweeting up a storm, causes a ruckus, creates this kind of collapse in support among the Republican caucus. So it's not just now a few dissenters, but it's most of the caucus. So you no longer have a deal that's tenable, that can be passed, so that all falls apart the new deal that they struck. This is some of the contours of it internal GOP funding deal. Johnson's expected to put on the floor funding extension for three months, clean Farm Bill extension one hundred and ten billion dollar disaster aid package as negotiated with Democrats. This is like for western North Carolina, other places that were really hard hit by the series of hurricanes. Clean healthcare provision extenders. I don't really know what that means minus PBM reform. That's actually a real loss because that pharmacy benefit reform would help to bring down prescription drug prices and is something that has bipartisan support and critically a two year suspension of the debt limit to January twenty twenty seven. And Emily, maybe you can speak a little bit to this debt limit part. But part of what's going on here, which is also funny, is Republicans have consistently used the debt limit to sort of extract concessions from Democrats. They'll use it as effectively a hostage shaking tactic. So now that Trump is going to be in the White House, he wants to not have to deal with the debt ceiling and have that hanging out there because he wants to be able to do in particular his you know, extension of the tax getting jobs actually primarily goes to the wealthy. He wants to make sure all of that is taken care of Now that is contra to the chip roy and the Thomas Massey's of the world, who don't think that they should ever vote for a debt sealing increase period. End of story. So already you can see that there are some even within the Republican Caucus, some potential fissures here, not to mention Democrats feeling like, well, screw you, guys. We had a deal. You've got control. You know, you have the majority of the House. If you want to fund if you want to figure this out amongst yourselves, go do it and leave us out of it, because the deal we negotiated you've now at this point tanked.

And what does Elon do if Trump is as president, because they this is a win for Donald Trump. Kicking the debt ceiling to twenty twenty seven means he's not going to have to deal with it in the first six months of his president, which would be that could raise some serious tensions, like for example, Elon Musk, like for example, with the chip Roys, who Donald Trump went after by name yesterday and said, very unpopular member chip Roy, et cetera. Chip Roy is one of his most ardent defenders and is a very like actual principled conservative.

And what does Elon do if Trump is as president, because they this is a win for Donald Trump. Kicking the debt ceiling to twenty twenty seven means he's not going to have to deal with it in the first six months of his president, which would be that could raise some serious tensions, like for example, Elon Musk, like for example, with the chip Roys, who Donald Trump went after by name yesterday and said, very unpopular member chip Roy, et cetera. Chip Roy is one of his most ardent defenders and is a very like actual principled conservative.

Is stalwart Tea party style. Yes, conservative died in the wooll. You know, attempting to be very I mean is not my politics, but trying to be principled about his deficit hawk view of the world.

Is stalwart Tea party style. Yes, conservative died in the wooll. You know, attempting to be very I mean is not my politics, but trying to be principled about his deficit hawk view of the world.

And this is where you have that new tension with Trump and potentially with Elon. What does Elon think about lifting the debt ceiling? What if Donald Trump is just like, hey, we've got doge. We're working on shrinking the size of the government, We're working to make it more efficient. So we're just gonna lift this debt ceiling.

And this is where you have that new tension with Trump and potentially with Elon. What does Elon think about lifting the debt ceiling? What if Donald Trump is just like, hey, we've got doge. We're working on shrinking the size of the government, We're working to make it more efficient. So we're just gonna lift this debt ceiling.

And what did the debt hawks do? So he now he avoids having that fight.

And what did the debt hawks do? So he now he avoids having that fight.

Six months into his presidency with a margin of like what one to three members of the House of Representatives.

Six months into his presidency with a margin of like what one to three members of the House of Representatives.

I mean, it would be a really, really tough battle.

I mean, it would be a really, really tough battle.

So that's a when what they did is say we're just going to do a kind of skinny CR clean CR. The Continuing Resolution is basically leaving government funding at the level that it is. We don't know if that's gonna work. It cut out a lot of the random stuff, but it does still have things like they had to reauthorize the Farm Bill, like that was there are certain things that were on a deadline, like the hurricane funding is another good example. So still a big bill, but a big bill that a lot of them are going to have to vote for.

So that's a when what they did is say we're just going to do a kind of skinny CR clean CR. The Continuing Resolution is basically leaving government funding at the level that it is. We don't know if that's gonna work. It cut out a lot of the random stuff, but it does still have things like they had to reauthorize the Farm Bill, like that was there are certain things that were on a deadline, like the hurricane funding is another good example. So still a big bill, but a big bill that a lot of them are going to have to vote for.

Yeah, So that's the contours of the bill, the quote unquote deal that was struck within the caucus, and as Emily's pointing to, even within the Republican caucus, there are problems with this deal, and in order for them to pass it effectively on their own, they need to basically get every single person in the caucus to vote alongside of it.

Yeah, So that's the contours of the bill, the quote unquote deal that was struck within the caucus, and as Emily's pointing to, even within the Republican caucus, there are problems with this deal, and in order for them to pass it effectively on their own, they need to basically get every single person in the caucus to vote alongside of it.

So we've mentioned chip Roy.

So we've mentioned chip Roy.

He was not the only one who ends up voting against this deal within the Republican caucus. Actually, thirty five Republicans, which is quite significant, end up voting against it.

He was not the only one who ends up voting against this deal within the Republican caucus. Actually, thirty five Republicans, which is quite significant, end up voting against it.

But just to give you a sense of.

But just to give you a sense of.

You know, their view of the world and why they said that they opposed this deal, here is Chiproy on the House aggressively making the case against this new version of the Continuing Resolution plus debt sealing extension. Let's take a listen to that.

You know, their view of the world and why they said that they opposed this deal, here is Chiproy on the House aggressively making the case against this new version of the Continuing Resolution plus debt sealing extension. Let's take a listen to that.

Fact to the matter is three hundred and thirty billion dollars. Congratulations, you've added to the debt since you were given the majority again on November fifth. It's embarrassing, it's shameful. Yes, I think this bill is better than it was yesterday on certain respects. But to take this bill, to take this bill yesterday and congratulate yourself because it's shorter in pages but increases the debt by five trillion dollars is asinine. And that's precisely what Republicans are doing. I'm absolutely sicken already the campaigns on fiscal responsibility and has the temerity to go board to the American people and say, you think this is fiscally responsible. It is absolutely.

Fact to the matter is three hundred and thirty billion dollars. Congratulations, you've added to the debt since you were given the majority again on November fifth. It's embarrassing, it's shameful. Yes, I think this bill is better than it was yesterday on certain respects. But to take this bill, to take this bill yesterday and congratulate yourself because it's shorter in pages but increases the debt by five trillion dollars is asinine. And that's precisely what Republicans are doing. I'm absolutely sicken already the campaigns on fiscal responsibility and has the temerity to go board to the American people and say, you think this is fiscally responsible. It is absolutely.

Ridiculous, Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I think it's an open question rather this party really campaigned on fiscal responsibility.

Ridiculous, Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I think it's an open question rather this party really campaigned on fiscal responsibility.

Because that's not like a core Trump value.

Because that's not like a core Trump value.

Yeah, I mean, like I said, one of the things that he really was known for breaking the mold of within the Republican Party, both in twenty sixteen again in twenty twenty, it's like, I'm not going to touch those security I'm not going to touch Medicare. Obviously, those were longtime cuts of those programs, were long time priorities of the Republican caucus, and people like Chip Roy are still in that, you know, still very much in that camp. So in any case, Emily, the fact that you end up having not just chip Roy, but thirty five Republicans vote against this deal that both Elon and Trump ultimately get behind. Not to mention Mike Johnson, who's like feels sort of like irrelevant to this whole process, that we're being super real, what does that say to you?

Yeah, I mean, like I said, one of the things that he really was known for breaking the mold of within the Republican Party, both in twenty sixteen again in twenty twenty, it's like, I'm not going to touch those security I'm not going to touch Medicare. Obviously, those were longtime cuts of those programs, were long time priorities of the Republican caucus, and people like Chip Roy are still in that, you know, still very much in that camp. So in any case, Emily, the fact that you end up having not just chip Roy, but thirty five Republicans vote against this deal that both Elon and Trump ultimately get behind. Not to mention Mike Johnson, who's like feels sort of like irrelevant to this whole process, that we're being super real, what does that say to you?

Because it is interesting.

Because it is interesting.

You clearly have some group within the caucus that is trying to strike somewhat of an independent stance here and not just look like they're being pulled around, pulled around by the nose, either by the President or by the richest man on the planet.

You clearly have some group within the caucus that is trying to strike somewhat of an independent stance here and not just look like they're being pulled around, pulled around by the nose, either by the President or by the richest man on the planet.

It was interesting.

It was interesting.

I think it was maybe after RFK Junior started getting involved in the campaign. You would hear some of the techno guys Elon Musk talk about the debt and the deficit and sort of start campaigning on that. But it was in a different way. It was like in this big picture, long term way, and it made people like chip Roy really happy, like finally we're coupling this populism. It's kind of a throwback to the Tea Party, but a new variation of it, Like we're coupling this populism with concerns about the debt, and I think what they're learning right now is nobody is serious about that except for the people who are already serious about it, the chip Roys and Thomas Massey's, et cetera. And you know, that was probably a good prediction even back in September when these conversations were being had. But does ziel At Musk really I mean, I don't know if this is where you're going with it, if it's still adding five trillion dollars to the debt. Now, if you're Elon Musk and you're Donald Trump and you're Mike Johnson, Mike Johnson is somebody who's always Freedom Caucus adjacent and had high expectations for Mike Johnson.

I think it was maybe after RFK Junior started getting involved in the campaign. You would hear some of the techno guys Elon Musk talk about the debt and the deficit and sort of start campaigning on that. But it was in a different way. It was like in this big picture, long term way, and it made people like chip Roy really happy, like finally we're coupling this populism. It's kind of a throwback to the Tea Party, but a new variation of it, Like we're coupling this populism with concerns about the debt, and I think what they're learning right now is nobody is serious about that except for the people who are already serious about it, the chip Roys and Thomas Massey's, et cetera. And you know, that was probably a good prediction even back in September when these conversations were being had. But does ziel At Musk really I mean, I don't know if this is where you're going with it, if it's still adding five trillion dollars to the debt. Now, if you're Elon Musk and you're Donald Trump and you're Mike Johnson, Mike Johnson is somebody who's always Freedom Caucus adjacent and had high expectations for Mike Johnson.

Emily, I would never know that.

Emily, I would never know that.

Yeah, It's it's like fight club. You don't you don't necessarily always say if you're in the Freedom Caucus.

Yeah, It's it's like fight club. You don't you don't necessarily always say if you're in the Freedom Caucus.

Johnson was not.

Johnson was not.

But he he's also somebody who's who has talked, talked the talk about the debt for a long time. And he is not leading here. He's he looks like he's being led. I don't know if his speakership survives into next year. That is something that's being talked about intensely behind closed doors, actually out in the open right now as well.

But he he's also somebody who's who has talked, talked the talk about the debt for a long time. And he is not leading here. He's he looks like he's being led. I don't know if his speakership survives into next year. That is something that's being talked about intensely behind closed doors, actually out in the open right now as well.

So, I mean, this is just like they have leverage.

So, I mean, this is just like they have leverage.

If you're Mike Johnson or Elon Musker, Donald Trump, right now, you're saying, we used all the leverage we possibly can. This is a Christmas shutdown. It is the Friday before Christmas. We're still going to add five trillion dollars to the debt because we're not going to solve the national debt crisis right now, sorry, chip Roy and Chip Roy and is like, hey, you're adding five trillion dollars to the debt, Like that's the impasse here, Yeah, And.

If you're Mike Johnson or Elon Musker, Donald Trump, right now, you're saying, we used all the leverage we possibly can. This is a Christmas shutdown. It is the Friday before Christmas. We're still going to add five trillion dollars to the debt because we're not going to solve the national debt crisis right now, sorry, chip Roy and Chip Roy and is like, hey, you're adding five trillion dollars to the debt, Like that's the impasse here, Yeah, And.

They're just not.

They're just not.

I mean that's the question is whether they can get anything passed right.

I mean that's the question is whether they can get anything passed right.

Well, because because the margin is so narrow, if you even lose you know, Chip Roy, Thomas Massey, what they can lose like five people if that, and.

Well, because because the margin is so narrow, if you even lose you know, Chip Roy, Thomas Massey, what they can lose like five people if that, and.

Then they would I mean presumably they have to start adding pork back into the bill to get Democrats to vote for.

Then they would I mean presumably they have to start adding pork back into the bill to get Democrats to vote for.

That's that's right.

That's that's right.

So if you don't keep the Republican Caucus one hundred percent together, then you're going to have to you know, add back in the research funds for kids with pediatric cancer.

So if you don't keep the Republican Caucus one hundred percent together, then you're going to have to you know, add back in the research funds for kids with pediatric cancer.

You know you're going to have to add back in.

You know you're going to have to add back in.

There was some genuinely like you know, I know, there's people just have like a principle against putting things together in this one bill. But there were genuinely good things in this bill that I think you and I would both agree on, like the pharmacy Benefit manager thing that gets stripped down.

There was some genuinely like you know, I know, there's people just have like a principle against putting things together in this one bill. But there were genuinely good things in this bill that I think you and I would both agree on, like the pharmacy Benefit manager thing that gets stripped down.

You also had.

You also had.

A provision that would make sure that hotel like these random fees that you get in hotels, you have this provision about hotel fees and disclosure around them, which is you know, small ball, but the kind of thing that people like to be able to understand what they're they're paying for. And also many people noted there are some provisions in here that would have restricted investment in China. Elon of course has huge investments in China, and this provision maybe would have directly impacted him because it had to do with you know, high levels of technology things like AI investments. He has planned you know, AI investments with these a p tesla in China that.

A provision that would make sure that hotel like these random fees that you get in hotels, you have this provision about hotel fees and disclosure around them, which is you know, small ball, but the kind of thing that people like to be able to understand what they're they're paying for. And also many people noted there are some provisions in here that would have restricted investment in China. Elon of course has huge investments in China, and this provision maybe would have directly impacted him because it had to do with you know, high levels of technology things like AI investments. He has planned you know, AI investments with these a p tesla in China that.

Gets stripped out.

Gets stripped out.

Suddenly Elon likes the bill. So there's a lot of self interest at play here as well. With regards to Elon Musk, which is you know, part of why, as a matter of principle, object to having this man who is not only the richest man on the planet, but has incredible conflicts of interest just throughout the entire government, is one of the largest contractors to the Pentagon, as one example, being so incredibly powerful in our politics. And so you see it in little things like this where maybe it gets stripped out just because Republicans want to strip a bunch of things out. Maybe it gets stripped out because this billionaire who now is a rival power center to President Trump himself, decided that this was not good for his own ideology and his own business interest. So go ahead, Emily, if you want to react to that, then we can talk a little bit about the democratic side here.

Suddenly Elon likes the bill. So there's a lot of self interest at play here as well. With regards to Elon Musk, which is you know, part of why, as a matter of principle, object to having this man who is not only the richest man on the planet, but has incredible conflicts of interest just throughout the entire government, is one of the largest contractors to the Pentagon, as one example, being so incredibly powerful in our politics. And so you see it in little things like this where maybe it gets stripped out just because Republicans want to strip a bunch of things out. Maybe it gets stripped out because this billionaire who now is a rival power center to President Trump himself, decided that this was not good for his own ideology and his own business interest. So go ahead, Emily, if you want to react to that, then we can talk a little bit about the democratic side here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I mean, I think it's it's like this. First of all, I love that your pets have formed their own freedom Caucus. I think it's very appropriate, like storming the Capitol relevant. But no, I mean, it's just it's this question about short term versus long term. And you know, if you can ever even address the long term, if you don't address the short term, that's what the trip roys of the world they're going to say. And I think what they're learning is that Elon musk might have this like theoretical concern about the national debt, but it's going to be secondary, probably to higher priorities.

No, I mean, I think it's it's like this. First of all, I love that your pets have formed their own freedom Caucus. I think it's very appropriate, like storming the Capitol relevant. But no, I mean, it's just it's this question about short term versus long term. And you know, if you can ever even address the long term, if you don't address the short term, that's what the trip roys of the world they're going to say. And I think what they're learning is that Elon musk might have this like theoretical concern about the national debt, but it's going to be secondary, probably to higher priorities.

Indeed.

Indeed.

All right, so you have the Republicans who some you know, thirty five of them are like, no, we're not going along with this, we don't want to raise the debt, sealing, et cetera. So then you need a good number several dozen Democrats to join you. So let's go ahead and play this is Actually it's interesting that this is this guy, Jared Moskowitz, who's actually been sort of like Elon curious. He was the one, isn't he the one that came out and was like, Oh, I'm going to join the Doge Caucus, like I want to be involved in this. So the fact that even a very centristy type Democrat like Moscowitz was going pretty hard against this deal was an indication that Democrats were more or less going to be lockstep against it.

All right, so you have the Republicans who some you know, thirty five of them are like, no, we're not going along with this, we don't want to raise the debt, sealing, et cetera. So then you need a good number several dozen Democrats to join you. So let's go ahead and play this is Actually it's interesting that this is this guy, Jared Moskowitz, who's actually been sort of like Elon curious. He was the one, isn't he the one that came out and was like, Oh, I'm going to join the Doge Caucus, like I want to be involved in this. So the fact that even a very centristy type Democrat like Moscowitz was going pretty hard against this deal was an indication that Democrats were more or less going to be lockstep against it.

Let's go ahead and listen to him making the case.

Let's go ahead and listen to him making the case.

In one minute to the gentleman from Florida and mister Moskowitz.

In one minute to the gentleman from Florida and mister Moskowitz.

The gentleman for Florida's recognized for one movie.

The gentleman for Florida's recognized for one movie.

Thank you as a speaker. You know, denial is not just a river in Egypt. Let's talk about the last two years. It was the Democrats who raised the debt ceiling, not the Republicans. Last time, many of you voted against it. It was the Demokrats who kept over the government. Not once, not twice, but every single time we needed to keep the government open. It was the Democrats who kept the government open. More of us voted for it than you and all I've heard for the last couple of weeks about this giant mandate landslide trifecta. Put on your big boy pants, pass.

Thank you as a speaker. You know, denial is not just a river in Egypt. Let's talk about the last two years. It was the Democrats who raised the debt ceiling, not the Republicans. Last time, many of you voted against it. It was the Demokrats who kept over the government. Not once, not twice, but every single time we needed to keep the government open. It was the Democrats who kept the government open. More of us voted for it than you and all I've heard for the last couple of weeks about this giant mandate landslide trifecta. Put on your big boy pants, pass.

Your own bill. We're only here.

Your own bill. We're only here.

We're only here because you guys can't agree amongst yourself. So hold on a second, Hold on a second. Democrats will keep government open for the American people. We will mediate the disagreements between that side of the room and that side of the room.

We're only here because you guys can't agree amongst yourself. So hold on a second, Hold on a second. Democrats will keep government open for the American people. We will mediate the disagreements between that side of the room and that side of the room.

We will do that for you.

We will do that for you.

But you got to at least invite us to that meeting. So if you want us to solve your problem because you can't agree amongst yourselves, reach out.

But you got to at least invite us to that meeting. So if you want us to solve your problem because you can't agree amongst yourselves, reach out.

Thank you expressed.

Thank you expressed.

So there you go.

So there you go.

Put on your big boy pants, Like, listen, y'all want to do this on your own, go ahead, do it on your own. But if you want us to participate and you want our votes, you're gonna have to negotiate with us, and you're gonna have to add back in some of these provisions that you took out. And I also Democrats are not in the mood to clear the decks on the debt ceiling for Trump either, so that he can have a free hand to mostly cut taxes for the rich, which is the one thing that's like almost guaranteed to happen in the new Trump administration because the Tax Cuts, Cuts and Jobs Act is up for certain provisions of it up for renewal. So Democrats, in the end, almost all of them are a handful of exceptions, vote in lockstab against this deal that was struck with Musk and Trump and Mike Johnson and whoever else in the Republican Caucus.

Put on your big boy pants, Like, listen, y'all want to do this on your own, go ahead, do it on your own. But if you want us to participate and you want our votes, you're gonna have to negotiate with us, and you're gonna have to add back in some of these provisions that you took out. And I also Democrats are not in the mood to clear the decks on the debt ceiling for Trump either, so that he can have a free hand to mostly cut taxes for the rich, which is the one thing that's like almost guaranteed to happen in the new Trump administration because the Tax Cuts, Cuts and Jobs Act is up for certain provisions of it up for renewal. So Democrats, in the end, almost all of them are a handful of exceptions, vote in lockstab against this deal that was struck with Musk and Trump and Mike Johnson and whoever else in the Republican Caucus.

And by the way, it goes to the Senate too, So I mean.

And by the way, it goes to the Senate too, So I mean.

I know that's so sure. We're just talking about the House. And not only does it go to the Senate, it's got to get sixty votes in the Senate.

I know that's so sure. We're just talking about the House. And not only does it go to the Senate, it's got to get sixty votes in the Senate.

Yeah, so you're no, we're close to that.

Yeah, so you're no, we're close to that.

No, we're close, right, And it is, you know, Friday morning and they're supposed to vote on something, and we're about to talk about this at eleven unclear whether that passes now. At risk of sounding like Sager, it is sort of always fun to when there are moments of intense parliamentary theater and drama in the capital.

No, we're close, right, And it is, you know, Friday morning and they're supposed to vote on something, and we're about to talk about this at eleven unclear whether that passes now. At risk of sounding like Sager, it is sort of always fun to when there are moments of intense parliamentary theater and drama in the capital.

It you know, makes us feel like the country is still alive.

It you know, makes us feel like the country is still alive.

There was a point where like Rosa Delora from Connecticut, Democrat from Connecticut yielded her time to Chip Roy.

There was a point where like Rosa Delora from Connecticut, Democrat from Connecticut yielded her time to Chip Roy.

It was good the dynamics.

It was good the dynamics.

It's great when they when they have to when they have to work late at night before Christmas, they just all of their anger just gets taken out on each other.

It's great when they when they have to when they have to work late at night before Christmas, they just all of their anger just gets taken out on each other.

So it's that's fun to watch. Maybe we'll get more of it today.

So it's that's fun to watch. Maybe we'll get more of it today.

Actually, oh, I'm quite sure that we will.

Actually, oh, I'm quite sure that we will.

So you were just referencing the latest is so that bill goes down in flames, not even close in fact, they were using a method not to get you on the weeds here, but that would require two thirds majority to vote. Obviously, doesn't get anyonere close to that. It doesn't get really close to a majority.

So you were just referencing the latest is so that bill goes down in flames, not even close in fact, they were using a method not to get you on the weeds here, but that would require two thirds majority to vote. Obviously, doesn't get anyonere close to that. It doesn't get really close to a majority.

Either.

Either.

And the latest is the House Republicans were meeting this morning, or some subset of them anyway, and Anna Polina Luna, who is a you know, trumpy Republican but also i think an alli Speaker Johnson right, Emily fair.

And the latest is the House Republicans were meeting this morning, or some subset of them anyway, and Anna Polina Luna, who is a you know, trumpy Republican but also i think an alli Speaker Johnson right, Emily fair.

To say she's just popular, Yeah, okay, all right.

To say she's just popular, Yeah, okay, all right.

More or less, she's like kind of famous, didn't she the one that like posed in a bikini or something and got a lot of attention that way? Anyway, that's that lady. So she just came out of the Speaker's office and said there will be a vote on something very similar to yesterday. She said ours will not negotiate with Dems. She also said the vote will be at ten, which I've been told is ambitious internal leadership goal, not meant to be announced right now as we're recording this as nine forty am. Severely doubt they'll be voting on anything by ten am. But in any case, it's hard to see how the result would be any different if the bill is not substantially different, Emily, unless you see it differently.

More or less, she's like kind of famous, didn't she the one that like posed in a bikini or something and got a lot of attention that way? Anyway, that's that lady. So she just came out of the Speaker's office and said there will be a vote on something very similar to yesterday. She said ours will not negotiate with Dems. She also said the vote will be at ten, which I've been told is ambitious internal leadership goal, not meant to be announced right now as we're recording this as nine forty am. Severely doubt they'll be voting on anything by ten am. But in any case, it's hard to see how the result would be any different if the bill is not substantially different, Emily, unless you see it differently.

No, I have none of them know how this is going to work out. Again, we haven't even talked about Chuck Schumer and Democratic Senate leadership. Obviously, Democrats know that Republicans always get blamed for a shutdown, So no, and that's whether or not it's valid, you know. And sometimes it's like Democrats are refusing to negotiate. Cheryl Akinson actually posted kind of a long anecdote from twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen and how when she was inside CBS there was this internal pressure to get the story being about Republicans shutting down the government, and Republicans.

No, I have none of them know how this is going to work out. Again, we haven't even talked about Chuck Schumer and Democratic Senate leadership. Obviously, Democrats know that Republicans always get blamed for a shutdown, So no, and that's whether or not it's valid, you know. And sometimes it's like Democrats are refusing to negotiate. Cheryl Akinson actually posted kind of a long anecdote from twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen and how when she was inside CBS there was this internal pressure to get the story being about Republicans shutting down the government, and Republicans.

Know that that's always what happens.

Know that that's always what happens.

But I think there's this lack of confidence or there's this confidence now, the swagger now, because I feel like they have the wind that they're back after Trump won, which is a why chip Away thinks they should be getting a better deal and b why they're playing a bolder hand that they're just going to be able to sort of circumvent the corporate media's narrative about how this is all Republicans fault and if Democrats refuse to negotiate, then they can somehow blame the Democrats.

But I think there's this lack of confidence or there's this confidence now, the swagger now, because I feel like they have the wind that they're back after Trump won, which is a why chip Away thinks they should be getting a better deal and b why they're playing a bolder hand that they're just going to be able to sort of circumvent the corporate media's narrative about how this is all Republicans fault and if Democrats refuse to negotiate, then they can somehow blame the Democrats.

I just don't think that's gonna work.

I just don't think that's gonna work.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, because you had a thing and then Elon starts tweeting, and then you don't have it. So I mean it's very clearly like the action was on the Republican side in terms of this really kind of it came a little bit out of nowhere. Usually these shut down threats have some like weeks if not months of build up and jockeying and what's going to happen and brinksmanship that can kind of appear to be like both sides, But this one because they had a deal and then it is just like Elon one day wakes up and starts tweeting, and then it's all collapsed. And now suddenly here you are, hours before the shutdown and Republicans are scrambling and can agree amongst themselves, et cetera. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that the public is going to feel like you guys are the ones that the tanked the deal that created this chaos. And you know, there's real ramifications when the government shuts down, especially at the holiday time. It's not like every function shuts down. You still have essential workers and functions that are you know, occurring, but there are costs to it. Sager was pointing out people who are going to travel TSA is going to be more limited traffic to eric traffic controllers like you're going to have fewer personnel, you're gonna have more chaos in terms of travel. That's just one example of the types of services that won't continue in a government shutdown. Then you also have some of the additional pieces in this that were important to both sides, so the disaster relief being one of them. The farm relief, which actually I mean given that that's more of a constituent constituency for Republicans, is kind of more of an issue for conservative rural Republicans where because the previous farm bill wasn't they weren't able to go to a new farm bill, so they did like a continuing farm bill. So they haven't gotten the you know, the aid support that they need and that they're used to during this time. So the Farm Bureau is very concerned about what all of this means. So in any case, there are pieces here that are important to both sides of the ledger, and right now it is very unclear how this proceeds. You know, Jake Sherman is out saying he thinks the most likely thing is a quote unquote clean cr that is very short term. I'm talking like a few weeks just to get through the holidays and like reconvene and see what they can come up with in the new year. So that may be the case, but again you would have to get every Republican on board. And then again that leaves open the question of the Senate and whether that's gonna whether Democrats are going to go along with that, whether they're going to be incentivized just like I want to get out of here and get home to my kids and have Christmas enough to kick the can down of the road into January and figure this out in the new year.

Well, I mean, because you had a thing and then Elon starts tweeting, and then you don't have it. So I mean it's very clearly like the action was on the Republican side in terms of this really kind of it came a little bit out of nowhere. Usually these shut down threats have some like weeks if not months of build up and jockeying and what's going to happen and brinksmanship that can kind of appear to be like both sides, But this one because they had a deal and then it is just like Elon one day wakes up and starts tweeting, and then it's all collapsed. And now suddenly here you are, hours before the shutdown and Republicans are scrambling and can agree amongst themselves, et cetera. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that the public is going to feel like you guys are the ones that the tanked the deal that created this chaos. And you know, there's real ramifications when the government shuts down, especially at the holiday time. It's not like every function shuts down. You still have essential workers and functions that are you know, occurring, but there are costs to it. Sager was pointing out people who are going to travel TSA is going to be more limited traffic to eric traffic controllers like you're going to have fewer personnel, you're gonna have more chaos in terms of travel. That's just one example of the types of services that won't continue in a government shutdown. Then you also have some of the additional pieces in this that were important to both sides, so the disaster relief being one of them. The farm relief, which actually I mean given that that's more of a constituent constituency for Republicans, is kind of more of an issue for conservative rural Republicans where because the previous farm bill wasn't they weren't able to go to a new farm bill, so they did like a continuing farm bill. So they haven't gotten the you know, the aid support that they need and that they're used to during this time. So the Farm Bureau is very concerned about what all of this means. So in any case, there are pieces here that are important to both sides of the ledger, and right now it is very unclear how this proceeds. You know, Jake Sherman is out saying he thinks the most likely thing is a quote unquote clean cr that is very short term. I'm talking like a few weeks just to get through the holidays and like reconvene and see what they can come up with in the new year. So that may be the case, but again you would have to get every Republican on board. And then again that leaves open the question of the Senate and whether that's gonna whether Democrats are going to go along with that, whether they're going to be incentivized just like I want to get out of here and get home to my kids and have Christmas enough to kick the can down of the road into January and figure this out in the new year.

So that's kind of where things are.

So that's kind of where things are.

Well, and this might be the deal with Democrats. They're losing control of the Senate in the new Congress. So is the CR going to kick it until there's no Democratic control in the Senate that Democrats aren't in control of the Senate, or are they going to trick a deal that does it right before the new Congress.

Well, and this might be the deal with Democrats. They're losing control of the Senate in the new Congress. So is the CR going to kick it until there's no Democratic control in the Senate that Democrats aren't in control of the Senate, or are they going to trick a deal that does it right before the new Congress.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I mean, it's a yeah, but it doesn't matter.

I mean, it's a yeah, but it doesn't matter.

I mean, maybe it matters more than I'm thinking, but since you have to get that sixty votes super majority, I don't know that it matters that much. Whether it's Democrats who have a fifty to fifty Senate or whether it's Republicans who you know, have the fifty three to forty seven Senate, because you still are going to need some not insignificant number of Democrats to go along with whatever deal is ultimately struck, and they are not in the mood to help out Trump and give him what he wants. They're certainly not in the mood to help out Elon Musk or whatever. So they're happy to watch Republicans kind of stumble around and try to come up with something that they can all vote for in lockstep. And yeah, I mean that's why, that's exactly the reason why Mike Johnson and seemingly with the backing of Trump thought from the beginning, like, let's just deal with the Democrats now going into while Joe Biden is still in off as we could just blame them for any part of this that we don't really like that much, and then we'll have kind of a clean slate coming in, debt sealing taken care of, government funded, so we can do the things that we want to do. And now that possibility is no longer really on the table.

I mean, maybe it matters more than I'm thinking, but since you have to get that sixty votes super majority, I don't know that it matters that much. Whether it's Democrats who have a fifty to fifty Senate or whether it's Republicans who you know, have the fifty three to forty seven Senate, because you still are going to need some not insignificant number of Democrats to go along with whatever deal is ultimately struck, and they are not in the mood to help out Trump and give him what he wants. They're certainly not in the mood to help out Elon Musk or whatever. So they're happy to watch Republicans kind of stumble around and try to come up with something that they can all vote for in lockstep. And yeah, I mean that's why, that's exactly the reason why Mike Johnson and seemingly with the backing of Trump thought from the beginning, like, let's just deal with the Democrats now going into while Joe Biden is still in off as we could just blame them for any part of this that we don't really like that much, and then we'll have kind of a clean slate coming in, debt sealing taken care of, government funded, so we can do the things that we want to do. And now that possibility is no longer really on the table.

It's been a I mean this is really setting the tone for how they're dealing with each other coming into a new Congress and a new presidential administration. Like, what is Elon's role, who is he allying with? Who is he talking to? Who is Trump talking to? Who is Mike Johnson talking to? This is going to this is they're entering the new year on shake your footing because of all of this, they're spinning it as they're entering the new year, possibly with getting a better deal. And if you're chip Roy, this has generally been positive because it showed that Doge is at least rhetorically interested in the things that you've been talking about since the Tea Party years.

It's been a I mean this is really setting the tone for how they're dealing with each other coming into a new Congress and a new presidential administration. Like, what is Elon's role, who is he allying with? Who is he talking to? Who is Trump talking to? Who is Mike Johnson talking to? This is going to this is they're entering the new year on shake your footing because of all of this, they're spinning it as they're entering the new year, possibly with getting a better deal. And if you're chip Roy, this has generally been positive because it showed that Doge is at least rhetorically interested in the things that you've been talking about since the Tea Party years.

Yeah, even if you're.

Yeah, even if you're.

Disappointed in how they actually are, like, oh so they see some political value to having this conversation.

Disappointed in how they actually are, like, oh so they see some political value to having this conversation.

Yeah, but.

Yeah, but.

This has caused a lot of I mean, Trump should not be fighting with chip Roy going into the twenty twenty five.

This has caused a lot of I mean, Trump should not be fighting with chip Roy going into the twenty twenty five.

No, they I mean, they just won. They should all be aligned and in love with each other, you know. I mean, you're never happier with your team than when you on this giant winning streak, and that's exactly there. They should be riding high right now. So it also just raises. I mean, obviously the two competing power centers. I'll just throw up this last element to give to sort of elucidate that. But you know, it really looked like Elon was running the show in terms of this whole striving Trump was. Trump was fine to just go along with whatever deal was struck. Is certainly what it looks like. I think this is the response from Caroline Lovett. Nope, that is not the response from Caroline Lovett.

No, they I mean, they just won. They should all be aligned and in love with each other, you know. I mean, you're never happier with your team than when you on this giant winning streak, and that's exactly there. They should be riding high right now. So it also just raises. I mean, obviously the two competing power centers. I'll just throw up this last element to give to sort of elucidate that. But you know, it really looked like Elon was running the show in terms of this whole striving Trump was. Trump was fine to just go along with whatever deal was struck. Is certainly what it looks like. I think this is the response from Caroline Lovett. Nope, that is not the response from Caroline Lovett.

You don't want to deal with Congress, right, He doesn't want to have to worry about the dynamics on Capitol Hill. He doesn't want to have to worry about what's good.

You don't want to deal with Congress, right, He doesn't want to have to worry about the dynamics on Capitol Hill. He doesn't want to have to worry about what's good.

Yeah, he's like, whatever, it's fine. I just want to, like, you know, come into office and be able to do my thing. This was Caroline Lovitt, who's the Trump spokesperson.

Yeah, he's like, whatever, it's fine. I just want to, like, you know, come into office and be able to do my thing. This was Caroline Lovitt, who's the Trump spokesperson.

Isn't she's going to be press secretary? Is that right?

Isn't she's going to be press secretary? Is that right?

Am?

Am?

I right about that?

I right about that?

And then I go okay, So she responded to the Elon Musk is the real leader of the Republican Party rhetoric from the Democrats.

And then I go okay, So she responded to the Elon Musk is the real leader of the Republican Party rhetoric from the Democrats.

She said.

She said.

As soon as President Trump released his official stance on the cr continuing our resolution Republicans on Capitol Hill echoed his point of view, President Trump is the leader of the Republican Party full stop. I mean, the fact that they even felt the need to respond to that tells you this, this kind of gut this is getting under Trump's skin, and you know, I think it's only going to continue. Elon is out there, He's got all the money in the world. He was threatening primary challenges against any Republicans who don't go along. By the way, he's now threaten threatening primary challenges against Democrats in blue districts who you know, were not centrist enough for his liking, which you know, that's another story for another day, But I think that would probably go over as well in a Democratic primary as like a George Soros backed Republican candidate, it would go over in a Republican primary.

As soon as President Trump released his official stance on the cr continuing our resolution Republicans on Capitol Hill echoed his point of view, President Trump is the leader of the Republican Party full stop. I mean, the fact that they even felt the need to respond to that tells you this, this kind of gut this is getting under Trump's skin, and you know, I think it's only going to continue. Elon is out there, He's got all the money in the world. He was threatening primary challenges against any Republicans who don't go along. By the way, he's now threaten threatening primary challenges against Democrats in blue districts who you know, were not centrist enough for his liking, which you know, that's another story for another day, But I think that would probably go over as well in a Democratic primary as like a George Soros backed Republican candidate, it would go over in a Republican primary.

But in any case, he's clearly willing to throw his weight around.

But in any case, he's clearly willing to throw his weight around.

I'm not sure he realizes how close to the sun he's flying in terms of, you know, usurping the power of the party from Trump. So that's the other question is how long that alliance between the two of them even lasts. Because Trump is certainly not one to brook any threat to his ego and unquestioned position as the king of the Republican Party, and then you do have genuine ideological fissures between them. I mean, Trump is not really that ideological guy. So I think when the talk is very theoretical of like who doesn't like the idea of cutting waste from the government, right, like and the government being efficient, Sure sounds great, right, But then when you're like, yeah, they cut out the funding for the kids with cancer and they cut out they're looking at cutting Social Security, like Elon's out there retweeting Mike Lee about how the whole program is a fraud. You know, yeah, when it comes down to what they actually you know what it means when you cut the government, not just theoretical like sure, let's get the waist down. Suddenly these projects become extremely unpopular, which is also part of what you're seeing in this dynamic of when people are actually looking at like, oh, well, what did you cut from this bill, and it's things that people would like to see, like research into pediatric cancer, then the feels a lot different than just in theory, let's spend less money. So when the rubber meets the road, there's a big ideological difference between Trump who doesn't really care either way, but has this instinct, of this political instinct of these things are not popular, like cutting these popular programs is not a good idea. And Elon Musk, who is more of an ideological like Javier Malay type ideological figure. I mean, this is someone who's praised. He prais Xavier Malay for rolling back terrorists, which again total contradiction to Trump and what he was claiming that he supports and when he's supported in the past, when he was in the White House before. So this is sort of like our first glimpse into some of those potential fissures as well.

I'm not sure he realizes how close to the sun he's flying in terms of, you know, usurping the power of the party from Trump. So that's the other question is how long that alliance between the two of them even lasts. Because Trump is certainly not one to brook any threat to his ego and unquestioned position as the king of the Republican Party, and then you do have genuine ideological fissures between them. I mean, Trump is not really that ideological guy. So I think when the talk is very theoretical of like who doesn't like the idea of cutting waste from the government, right, like and the government being efficient, Sure sounds great, right, But then when you're like, yeah, they cut out the funding for the kids with cancer and they cut out they're looking at cutting Social Security, like Elon's out there retweeting Mike Lee about how the whole program is a fraud. You know, yeah, when it comes down to what they actually you know what it means when you cut the government, not just theoretical like sure, let's get the waist down. Suddenly these projects become extremely unpopular, which is also part of what you're seeing in this dynamic of when people are actually looking at like, oh, well, what did you cut from this bill, and it's things that people would like to see, like research into pediatric cancer, then the feels a lot different than just in theory, let's spend less money. So when the rubber meets the road, there's a big ideological difference between Trump who doesn't really care either way, but has this instinct, of this political instinct of these things are not popular, like cutting these popular programs is not a good idea. And Elon Musk, who is more of an ideological like Javier Malay type ideological figure. I mean, this is someone who's praised. He prais Xavier Malay for rolling back terrorists, which again total contradiction to Trump and what he was claiming that he supports and when he's supported in the past, when he was in the White House before. So this is sort of like our first glimpse into some of those potential fissures as well.

Yeah, exactly. And Trump notoriously loves drama. He said it as much that he likes it when people on his side are fighting it out because he thinks that's healthy and leads to a better outcome.

Yeah, exactly. And Trump notoriously loves drama. He said it as much that he likes it when people on his side are fighting it out because he thinks that's healthy and leads to a better outcome.

Or maybe he just enjoys it, don't we all.

Or maybe he just enjoys it, don't we all.

But like there's there's maybe a Trump like enjoys the shadenfreude like everyone else does. But the Freedom Caucus, people like Tip Roy, their constituents want them to do this, and they recognize that. Ted Cruz recognized that that back in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, even earlier than that, at the beginning of the Tea Party. They have to answer to their constituents. Trump has to answer to the entire country. So that has always been what Paul Ryan tried to bridge the gap between. It's what Kevin McCarthy tried to bridge the gap between and Mike Johnson. You know is I don't even I don't even know what he's doing. I don't think anybody really even knows what he's doing.

But like there's there's maybe a Trump like enjoys the shadenfreude like everyone else does. But the Freedom Caucus, people like Tip Roy, their constituents want them to do this, and they recognize that. Ted Cruz recognized that that back in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, even earlier than that, at the beginning of the Tea Party. They have to answer to their constituents. Trump has to answer to the entire country. So that has always been what Paul Ryan tried to bridge the gap between. It's what Kevin McCarthy tried to bridge the gap between and Mike Johnson. You know is I don't even I don't even know what he's doing. I don't think anybody really even knows what he's doing.

Yeah, but Trump, that's it.

Yeah, but Trump, that's it.

Welcome back, Welcome back, is what they're all saying to him right now.

Welcome back, Welcome back, is what they're all saying to him right now.

Basically, yep, exactly exactly right. So we'll see what happens today. They're gonna allegedly take a vote on something that's very similar, will probably also go down in flames, and they'll be back to the drawing board, would be my prediction. But hey, you never know if they work something out amongst themselves and government. If there is no deal struck today, government will shut down at midnight to night. So we will certainly keep an eye on it for you, although all of us are going to be running around and traveling, so I don't know if we'll be able to update you or not, but maybe we'll try, depending on what happens. In any case, I hope you guys have a wonderful holiday and we will certainly. And thank you again Emily for spenty some time with us this morning and helping me understand what's going on from the Republican perspective as well, And we will see all of you guys soon

Basically, yep, exactly exactly right. So we'll see what happens today. They're gonna allegedly take a vote on something that's very similar, will probably also go down in flames, and they'll be back to the drawing board, would be my prediction. But hey, you never know if they work something out amongst themselves and government. If there is no deal struck today, government will shut down at midnight to night. So we will certainly keep an eye on it for you, although all of us are going to be running around and traveling, so I don't know if we'll be able to update you or not, but maybe we'll try, depending on what happens. In any case, I hope you guys have a wonderful holiday and we will certainly. And thank you again Emily for spenty some time with us this morning and helping me understand what's going on from the Republican perspective as well, And we will see all of you guys soon