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What do we have pristal Indeed, we do lots of breaking updates of course coming out of Israel that we will get to, including a not very successful trip of our Secretary of State Tony B.

What do we have pristal Indeed, we do lots of breaking updates of course coming out of Israel that we will get to, including a not very successful trip of our Secretary of State Tony B.

Lincoln over there. We also have former President.

Lincoln over there. We also have former President.

Obama weighing in in the most possible Obama way, so we'll react to that at our own Griffin and Mac producers were on the ground at the massive protest here in DC, so we have some footage from that. They were able to interview some of the people who were attending that march to get their thoughts on what was going on in what message they want to convey. Bombshell pull by the New York Times showing Trump beating Biden in five out of six swing states. Some of the numbers under the surface too, among young people, among African Americans. I know the Biden White House is not happy about these ones. So we'll break all of that down for you as well. Also a stunning revelation that the US is starting to talk quietly to Ukraine about how we can wrap this war up, how we can get the parties to the negotiating table as it is increasingly clear that they are in a stalemate and unable to push through. It's also a story that really caught Soccer's attention about a budgeting software that is being shut down.

Obama weighing in in the most possible Obama way, so we'll react to that at our own Griffin and Mac producers were on the ground at the massive protest here in DC, so we have some footage from that. They were able to interview some of the people who were attending that march to get their thoughts on what was going on in what message they want to convey. Bombshell pull by the New York Times showing Trump beating Biden in five out of six swing states. Some of the numbers under the surface too, among young people, among African Americans. I know the Biden White House is not happy about these ones. So we'll break all of that down for you as well. Also a stunning revelation that the US is starting to talk quietly to Ukraine about how we can wrap this war up, how we can get the parties to the negotiating table as it is increasingly clear that they are in a stalemate and unable to push through. It's also a story that really caught Soccer's attention about a budgeting software that is being shut down.

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This is the latest of the late stage. I'm genuinely furious about it, and we will talk about it.

This is the latest of the late stage. I'm genuinely furious about it, and we will talk about it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's also just a huge political week.

It's also just a huge political week.

I mean, obviously we've been really focused, for understandable reasons, on what is going on in Israel and Gaza, but we also have huge elections tomorrow in Virginia, in Kentucky, ballot measures in places like Ohio and Maine that are you know, really important and may give some indication of where we are politically, so we'll dig into that specifically, focusing on Virginia today. We'll give you a broader breakout tomorrow. There's also a Republican debate this week, which is, like you know, completely under the radar. So we've got a lot going on this week to get into. Thank you so much to all of you who have been helping us out. This has been a very difficult time in terms of gathering news, in terms of being on alert all the time. Our producers and our crew are working overtime, So thank you guys so much for supporting all of it overtime.

I mean, obviously we've been really focused, for understandable reasons, on what is going on in Israel and Gaza, but we also have huge elections tomorrow in Virginia, in Kentucky, ballot measures in places like Ohio and Maine that are you know, really important and may give some indication of where we are politically, so we'll dig into that specifically, focusing on Virginia today. We'll give you a broader breakout tomorrow. There's also a Republican debate this week, which is, like you know, completely under the radar. So we've got a lot going on this week to get into. Thank you so much to all of you who have been helping us out. This has been a very difficult time in terms of gathering news, in terms of being on alert all the time. Our producers and our crew are working overtime, So thank you guys so much for supporting all of it overtime.

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Yes, indeed, all right, let's get to the very latest in terms of Israel. These are a couple of things that are just breaking very recently. We now have the US announcing that in Ohio class nuclear submarine has moved into the Middle East. This is a rare announcement. They say that a guided missile submarine has arrived, a message of deterrence clearly directed at regional adversaries as the Biden administration tries to avoid a broader conflict amid the Israel Hamas War. This is per CNN US sentcom set on social media that an Ohio class submarine was entering its area of responsibility. Sager, I want to get your quick react on this because it's both the fact that it's there, but also we don't normally like announce to everyone where these things happen to be going.

Yes, indeed, all right, let's get to the very latest in terms of Israel. These are a couple of things that are just breaking very recently. We now have the US announcing that in Ohio class nuclear submarine has moved into the Middle East. This is a rare announcement. They say that a guided missile submarine has arrived, a message of deterrence clearly directed at regional adversaries as the Biden administration tries to avoid a broader conflict amid the Israel Hamas War. This is per CNN US sentcom set on social media that an Ohio class submarine was entering its area of responsibility. Sager, I want to get your quick react on this because it's both the fact that it's there, but also we don't normally like announce to everyone where these things happen to be going.

No, the Ohio class submarine is one of the most secret quote unquote submarines I used to cover the Pentagon.

No, the Ohio class submarine is one of the most secret quote unquote submarines I used to cover the Pentagon.

They would never tell you where an Ohio class submarine is ever unless they want you to know.

They would never tell you where an Ohio class submarine is ever unless they want you to know.

So whenever they did want you to know, it would usually be whenever they would be operating off the coast of Crimea, where they would be like we're making a show against Russia and a pre announced military drill or some sort of exercise with the Joint Power something like that. For this is extraordinary, and I remember seeing it and just be like, oh my god, but I can barely believe this is real. Just what people understand, and as you could saw on the tweet, it's the US Central Command Central comm or Scent COOM as is otherwise known is the area which is included Israel and the entire Middle East. So that's why they said on November five, twenty twenty three, and Ohio class submarine arrived in the us NCOM Area of responsibility.

So whenever they did want you to know, it would usually be whenever they would be operating off the coast of Crimea, where they would be like we're making a show against Russia and a pre announced military drill or some sort of exercise with the Joint Power something like that. For this is extraordinary, and I remember seeing it and just be like, oh my god, but I can barely believe this is real. Just what people understand, and as you could saw on the tweet, it's the US Central Command Central comm or Scent COOM as is otherwise known is the area which is included Israel and the entire Middle East. So that's why they said on November five, twenty twenty three, and Ohio class submarine arrived in the us NCOM Area of responsibility.

So I mean, that's the biggest.

So I mean, that's the biggest.

Like I emoji that there is in military circles because they don't do this ever. I mean multiple other Pentagon correspondents who I saw and others were like I honestly can barely even remember the last time. And of course there's only one reason to send to telegraph this. Hamas does not care about Ohio class submarines. Hazbola does not care about Ohio class submarines. Ohio class submarines are you know, some of the most I mean, these things carry like trident missiles, are some of the most advanced military technology all on Earth, and we.

Like I emoji that there is in military circles because they don't do this ever. I mean multiple other Pentagon correspondents who I saw and others were like I honestly can barely even remember the last time. And of course there's only one reason to send to telegraph this. Hamas does not care about Ohio class submarines. Hazbola does not care about Ohio class submarines. Ohio class submarines are you know, some of the most I mean, these things carry like trident missiles, are some of the most advanced military technology all on Earth, and we.

Don't even have that many of them.

Don't even have that many of them.

So it is a very very clear signal to Iran about what we have in the region. On top of don't forget all all those carrier strike group assets, where the combined firepower of that is more than most nations on all of planet Earth, and we have many more carrier strike groups.

So it is a very very clear signal to Iran about what we have in the region. On top of don't forget all all those carrier strike group assets, where the combined firepower of that is more than most nations on all of planet Earth, and we have many more carrier strike groups.

Yeah, in our arsenal to that point, each one of these things can carry one hundred and fifty four Tomahawk cruise missiles, fifty percent more than US guided missile destroyer's pack and almost four times what the US Navy's newest attack subs are armed with. Each Tomahawk missile, So one hundred and fifty four of these, each one can carry up to a one thousand pounds high explosive wars warhead. You have a you know, an expert on this sort of thing saying they can deliver.

Yeah, in our arsenal to that point, each one of these things can carry one hundred and fifty four Tomahawk cruise missiles, fifty percent more than US guided missile destroyer's pack and almost four times what the US Navy's newest attack subs are armed with. Each Tomahawk missile, So one hundred and fifty four of these, each one can carry up to a one thousand pounds high explosive wars warhead. You have a you know, an expert on this sort of thing saying they can deliver.

A lot of firepower very rapidly.

A lot of firepower very rapidly.

I think that's a bit of an understatement, and goes on to say one hundred and fifty four Tomahawks accurately deliver a lot of punch. No opponent of the US can ignore the threat. So in case you thought that, you know, perhaps we'd gotten through the possibility of a second front opening up, and we had Nosraala from Hezbolah giving a speech and just sort of you know, beating his chest, but not announcing a new opening of a war. This should make it really clear to everyone that this is a very present danger. The continued escalation of this conflict, and it also comes as Israel is announcing a large scale attack that they are carrying out.

I think that's a bit of an understatement, and goes on to say one hundred and fifty four Tomahawks accurately deliver a lot of punch. No opponent of the US can ignore the threat. So in case you thought that, you know, perhaps we'd gotten through the possibility of a second front opening up, and we had Nosraala from Hezbolah giving a speech and just sort of you know, beating his chest, but not announcing a new opening of a war. This should make it really clear to everyone that this is a very present danger. The continued escalation of this conflict, and it also comes as Israel is announcing a large scale attack that they are carrying out.

Basically as we speak, they.

Basically as we speak, they.

Once again cut all the comms coming out of Gaza. No Internet, no phone, etc. So once again very difficult for any journalists or any human being they're on the ground to get out reports of what is going on. But they are announcing a large attack. Reading for the New York Times here they say their forces had fully encircled Gaza City and we're carrying out a significant operation in the Gaza Strip late Sunday as the entire enclave was plunged into the same kind of widespread communications blackount cut it off from the world during Israel's initial ground evasion ten days ago. Quote This is from an IDF spokesperson. At this hour, we are carrying out a large attack on terrorist infrastructure, both below and above ground. So no signs of certainly stopping, no sign of easing up.

Once again cut all the comms coming out of Gaza. No Internet, no phone, etc. So once again very difficult for any journalists or any human being they're on the ground to get out reports of what is going on. But they are announcing a large attack. Reading for the New York Times here they say their forces had fully encircled Gaza City and we're carrying out a significant operation in the Gaza Strip late Sunday as the entire enclave was plunged into the same kind of widespread communications blackount cut it off from the world during Israel's initial ground evasion ten days ago. Quote This is from an IDF spokesperson. At this hour, we are carrying out a large attack on terrorist infrastructure, both below and above ground. So no signs of certainly stopping, no sign of easing up.

They are continuing.

They are continuing.

If anything, they are escalating even further in terms of the severity of the attacks that are happening on the ground. And this comsaga we discussed over the weekend, and just to give everybody a little bit of an update. What a humiliating trip our Secretary of State Tony Blincoln had to Israel where he pressed them for a humanitarian pause. At the time that he was pressing them for this humanitarian pause, they were, apparently, although they say they were striking terrorists, but you know, they have offered no evidence of this. They were striking a convoy of ambulances at the very time that Tony Blincoln is saying, hey about, how about a humanitarian pause? They rejected him out of hand. But that was not even the end of his humiliation and our humiliation as the United States of America in the Middle East. He went on to do a press conference with his counterparts with Egypt and Jordan and continues, I mean, this humanitarian pause thing is basically like what literally no one wants, and is something that they made up to try to give liberals some sort of cover so that they can pretend like they care about the toll that is being taken on civilian life here. Well, the Jordanian and the Egyptian foreign minister also rejected that completely out of hand and said, listen, what we really need here is a ceasefire.

If anything, they are escalating even further in terms of the severity of the attacks that are happening on the ground. And this comsaga we discussed over the weekend, and just to give everybody a little bit of an update. What a humiliating trip our Secretary of State Tony Blincoln had to Israel where he pressed them for a humanitarian pause. At the time that he was pressing them for this humanitarian pause, they were, apparently, although they say they were striking terrorists, but you know, they have offered no evidence of this. They were striking a convoy of ambulances at the very time that Tony Blincoln is saying, hey about, how about a humanitarian pause? They rejected him out of hand. But that was not even the end of his humiliation and our humiliation as the United States of America in the Middle East. He went on to do a press conference with his counterparts with Egypt and Jordan and continues, I mean, this humanitarian pause thing is basically like what literally no one wants, and is something that they made up to try to give liberals some sort of cover so that they can pretend like they care about the toll that is being taken on civilian life here. Well, the Jordanian and the Egyptian foreign minister also rejected that completely out of hand and said, listen, what we really need here is a ceasefire.

Let's take a listen to a little bit of that.

Let's take a listen to a little bit of that.

But I would say what we all, as a human beings, as you said, as sim said, as we all say, as human bespeak beings, we just cannot accept to see all that killing unfolding, to see all that reduction of life to a complete loss. How is how can we justify to anybody that killing nine thousand people, killing three thousand, seven hundred children, destroying one hundred and fifty thousand house, destroying hospitats, How can we justify that this is self defense?

But I would say what we all, as a human beings, as you said, as sim said, as we all say, as human bespeak beings, we just cannot accept to see all that killing unfolding, to see all that reduction of life to a complete loss. How is how can we justify to anybody that killing nine thousand people, killing three thousand, seven hundred children, destroying one hundred and fifty thousand house, destroying hospitats, How can we justify that this is self defense?

So this is right after Tony Blinken was saying, hey, no to a ceasefire, and they rejected that out of hand, and you know, publicly sort of rebuked him with their own analysis.

So this is right after Tony Blinken was saying, hey, no to a ceasefire, and they rejected that out of hand, and you know, publicly sort of rebuked him with their own analysis.

That's not supposed to happen, you know, supposed to have a all three of the secretaries of state of three of the powers. You know, you've got the United States of America, the superpower, You've got the regional powers.

That's not supposed to happen, you know, supposed to have a all three of the secretaries of state of three of the powers. You know, you've got the United States of America, the superpower, You've got the regional powers.

You've got Jordan, You've got Egypt.

You've got Jordan, You've got Egypt.

There these are some of our closest quote unquote partners all throughout the Iraq War, throughout you know, all of our relations with Israel and with Egypt. We had CC directly lecture blink into his face. Now we have the Jordanian Foreign Minister who is openly parting and rebuking honestly the Secretary of State. Now we've had multiple diplomatic cutoffs of Turkey and of Israel, of the Egyptians, of Aman, which is what drawn their ambassador from Israel, which is kicked out the Israeli ambassador. I mean, the regional diplomatic situation is deteriorating at a very very fast pace. So you have the arrival of this missile sub and yeah, I mean one of the things that we should highlight. As you said, it's like everyone's like, oh, we can take a sigh of relief after the Nasralla speech. I'm like, well, you know, it's not been that long. And I hate to say it, but you know, think back to the First World War. It took a month before the guns of August start rolling. It's we're near that month thing. Even then, you know, you look at other things. You had a conflict, a low grade conflict that goes on and on and on, and then some one thing happens, it explodes onto the world stage. So just because you know, in the recency bias, we can think that things haven't gotten worse. All of the things the chess pieces are in place for a catastrophic situation to unfold.

There these are some of our closest quote unquote partners all throughout the Iraq War, throughout you know, all of our relations with Israel and with Egypt. We had CC directly lecture blink into his face. Now we have the Jordanian Foreign Minister who is openly parting and rebuking honestly the Secretary of State. Now we've had multiple diplomatic cutoffs of Turkey and of Israel, of the Egyptians, of Aman, which is what drawn their ambassador from Israel, which is kicked out the Israeli ambassador. I mean, the regional diplomatic situation is deteriorating at a very very fast pace. So you have the arrival of this missile sub and yeah, I mean one of the things that we should highlight. As you said, it's like everyone's like, oh, we can take a sigh of relief after the Nasralla speech. I'm like, well, you know, it's not been that long. And I hate to say it, but you know, think back to the First World War. It took a month before the guns of August start rolling. It's we're near that month thing. Even then, you know, you look at other things. You had a conflict, a low grade conflict that goes on and on and on, and then some one thing happens, it explodes onto the world stage. So just because you know, in the recency bias, we can think that things haven't gotten worse. All of the things the chess pieces are in place for a catastrophic situation to unfold.

Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

And you know, to go in a little more on this whole humanitarian pause thing, which basically everybody is seeing through. Put this up on the screen. So the report from Axios about what Tony Blinkeln was saying to the Israelis to try to persuade them to do this humanitarian pause thing, and it wasn't, Hey, we're really concerned about the civilians.

And you know, to go in a little more on this whole humanitarian pause thing, which basically everybody is seeing through. Put this up on the screen. So the report from Axios about what Tony Blinkeln was saying to the Israelis to try to persuade them to do this humanitarian pause thing, and it wasn't, Hey, we're really concerned about the civilians.

We really need to get food and water in.

We really need to get food and water in.

We really need to be able to evacuate people for medical care given that so many of the hospitals are no longer functioning. It was, quote, we don't want to stop you, but help us, help you get more time. And people who have been you know, pushing for a ceasefire, and I would put the Egyptian and the Jordanian foreign ministers in this camp. I would put myself in this camp have been saying, you know, the whole idea of a humanitarian pause isn't really about the civilians. It's about providing cover for liberals so they can keep their you know, virtue about them and pretend like they really care about what's happening to the children and the women and the civilians on the ground and the utter devastation, the complete siege, et cetera, et cetera. And it's also, as Blink and lays out here, to actually give Israel more time, because as long as the overwhelming, indiscriminate bombing of hospitals and schools and refugee camps, et cetera continues, you're going to have increasing pressure here and around the world to get them to stop. So it's not that Blincoln and Biden want Israel to stop bombing, it's that they want to give them a little pr cover to extend this thing, which is exactly why Egypt and Jordan were so you know, willing and so direct to basically shoot this idea down. And the Israelis, on the other hand, they see through it because they're like, you've already told us there's no red lines, You've already told us that our aid isn't going to be conditional. You've already told us you're going to stand with us no matter what, So piss off. Why should we listen to you.

We really need to be able to evacuate people for medical care given that so many of the hospitals are no longer functioning. It was, quote, we don't want to stop you, but help us, help you get more time. And people who have been you know, pushing for a ceasefire, and I would put the Egyptian and the Jordanian foreign ministers in this camp. I would put myself in this camp have been saying, you know, the whole idea of a humanitarian pause isn't really about the civilians. It's about providing cover for liberals so they can keep their you know, virtue about them and pretend like they really care about what's happening to the children and the women and the civilians on the ground and the utter devastation, the complete siege, et cetera, et cetera. And it's also, as Blink and lays out here, to actually give Israel more time, because as long as the overwhelming, indiscriminate bombing of hospitals and schools and refugee camps, et cetera continues, you're going to have increasing pressure here and around the world to get them to stop. So it's not that Blincoln and Biden want Israel to stop bombing, it's that they want to give them a little pr cover to extend this thing, which is exactly why Egypt and Jordan were so you know, willing and so direct to basically shoot this idea down. And the Israelis, on the other hand, they see through it because they're like, you've already told us there's no red lines, You've already told us that our aid isn't going to be conditional. You've already told us you're going to stand with us no matter what, So piss off. Why should we listen to you.

The only way I think I would be like on board with a quote unquote humanitarian pause. Is if the Israelis were to take actual look at their military strategy and be like, all right, like what are we actually accomplishing here, because what we've accomplished so far is I mean, basically you can go back and roll the tape where really what we said was going to happen from day one, You're going.

The only way I think I would be like on board with a quote unquote humanitarian pause. Is if the Israelis were to take actual look at their military strategy and be like, all right, like what are we actually accomplishing here, because what we've accomplished so far is I mean, basically you can go back and roll the tape where really what we said was going to happen from day one, You're going.

To kill a ton of civilians.

To kill a ton of civilians.

In terms of your actual military degradation of Hamas, there's not a lot of evidence yet so far, especially because the Israeli military is not I mean whenever. For example, when the US military would conduct operations against Isis, every single operation, and I was in there, I was in the briefing room Operation Inherent Resolve, They're like, here's what we accomplished today. We took out you know, fifty four different Isis strongholds. We bomb their oil fields, we took out you know, X miles of what they had built, and this area of Mosl was retaken. Now, the Israelis have not been doing this actually at all. It really is shocking to now think of the Pentagon as being transparent, which I did not think at the time. But here we are the Israelis have not released the number of miles that have been destroyed by AMAS. They haven't actually confirmed all that many Hamas targets. Many of their operations are conducted in complete secret. Even in terms of the briefings that they're providing to foreign military or their own military, they're not telling us exactly what they're doing. Everyone's like, oh, well, you know in war, that's not what you do well in modern warfare. Again, I'm just telling you as a person who covered the United State's military, that's how they operated. They were very clear after every single operation, really, here's what we're doing. It was within this context here we're trying to retake this the grand strategies to destroy isis.

In terms of your actual military degradation of Hamas, there's not a lot of evidence yet so far, especially because the Israeli military is not I mean whenever. For example, when the US military would conduct operations against Isis, every single operation, and I was in there, I was in the briefing room Operation Inherent Resolve, They're like, here's what we accomplished today. We took out you know, fifty four different Isis strongholds. We bomb their oil fields, we took out you know, X miles of what they had built, and this area of Mosl was retaken. Now, the Israelis have not been doing this actually at all. It really is shocking to now think of the Pentagon as being transparent, which I did not think at the time. But here we are the Israelis have not released the number of miles that have been destroyed by AMAS. They haven't actually confirmed all that many Hamas targets. Many of their operations are conducted in complete secret. Even in terms of the briefings that they're providing to foreign military or their own military, they're not telling us exactly what they're doing. Everyone's like, oh, well, you know in war, that's not what you do well in modern warfare. Again, I'm just telling you as a person who covered the United State's military, that's how they operated. They were very clear after every single operation, really, here's what we're doing. It was within this context here we're trying to retake this the grand strategies to destroy isis.

This is how contributes to the overall goal.

This is how contributes to the overall goal.

And we would have, you know, lieutenant colonel or whatever, who was a spokesperson who would come on over the air in a zoom call from Iraq to brief us all in the American press. None of that currently exists right now. So even on their transparency, they're not really giving us insight into their operations. And I think that is where I really think need to have a hell of a lot of skepticism, because then I did you know as well, how many times did even in their so called transparency to the Pentagon, tell us like, we are one hundred percent certain we killed this member of ISIS, and we're like, okay, where's the proof. And they're like, well, here's the proof, and here's how we got there and all of that, and what we find out in Afghanistan, Oh, turns out he's a water salesman.

And we would have, you know, lieutenant colonel or whatever, who was a spokesperson who would come on over the air in a zoom call from Iraq to brief us all in the American press. None of that currently exists right now. So even on their transparency, they're not really giving us insight into their operations. And I think that is where I really think need to have a hell of a lot of skepticism, because then I did you know as well, how many times did even in their so called transparency to the Pentagon, tell us like, we are one hundred percent certain we killed this member of ISIS, and we're like, okay, where's the proof. And they're like, well, here's the proof, and here's how we got there and all of that, and what we find out in Afghanistan, Oh, turns out he's a water salesman.

He killed like five of his kids. And that happens all the time.

He killed like five of his kids. And that happens all the time.

And that was with great intelligence, with great you know, supposedly on the ground presence, ir etc. So the Israelis, I mean, they have to be and should be in the modern military, which is how you conduct operations on war. They should be conducting themselves or trying to achieve that same standard. But they're basically rejecting it. They're like, no, we're not going to fight that way at all. So anyway, if there was a humanitarian posit that could restore any semblance of like how modern military fights, what's the actual military objective here? They say it's to destroy hamas. On the other hand, many of their actions read as collective punishment. Nobody's really saying anything out loud, so it's like, well, what are we doing here and what are we at a lot of things out loud, right, but what are we moving towards? Like what is the end state of this? Do we bomb until we stop bombing? Because now what Now We're in a worse situation, arguably.

And that was with great intelligence, with great you know, supposedly on the ground presence, ir etc. So the Israelis, I mean, they have to be and should be in the modern military, which is how you conduct operations on war. They should be conducting themselves or trying to achieve that same standard. But they're basically rejecting it. They're like, no, we're not going to fight that way at all. So anyway, if there was a humanitarian posit that could restore any semblance of like how modern military fights, what's the actual military objective here? They say it's to destroy hamas. On the other hand, many of their actions read as collective punishment. Nobody's really saying anything out loud, so it's like, well, what are we doing here and what are we at a lot of things out loud, right, but what are we moving towards? Like what is the end state of this? Do we bomb until we stop bombing? Because now what Now We're in a worse situation, arguably.

Absolutely and less safe for everyone, less safe, like you know, for the long term prospects of Israeli security. There is no doubt they are making their own people less safe with what they are doing right now. And Sagrino, to your point, I think we should just stop pretending that the goal here is actually to dismantle Hamas, because the military approach is wildly inconsistent with that supposed goal. And this is something that, to her credit and very courageously I think ilhan Omar has been pointing out. She said recently, US policies essentially that nott Yahu has no achievable goals in Gaza and a ground invasion risk regional war including potential US troops. And also we should give him fourteen billion dollars in weapons with no restrictions and say there are no red lines as he bombs refugee camps.

Absolutely and less safe for everyone, less safe, like you know, for the long term prospects of Israeli security. There is no doubt they are making their own people less safe with what they are doing right now. And Sagrino, to your point, I think we should just stop pretending that the goal here is actually to dismantle Hamas, because the military approach is wildly inconsistent with that supposed goal. And this is something that, to her credit and very courageously I think ilhan Omar has been pointing out. She said recently, US policies essentially that nott Yahu has no achievable goals in Gaza and a ground invasion risk regional war including potential US troops. And also we should give him fourteen billion dollars in weapons with no restrictions and say there are no red lines as he bombs refugee camps.

See how this doesn't add up?

See how this doesn't add up?

I think if we're being honest about what the actual military objectives are is retribution and collective punishment. I mean, that's just you know, an analysis of what they're doing and what they've been doing from the jump, when the very first thing they announced was a complete siege of every single civilian, cutting off water and food and fuel to the entire population, and the way the bombing campaign has been conducted. So it's retribution, and it's also after their own humiliation and failures on October seventh, to try to re establish that they're the baddest mfors on the block.

I think if we're being honest about what the actual military objectives are is retribution and collective punishment. I mean, that's just you know, an analysis of what they're doing and what they've been doing from the jump, when the very first thing they announced was a complete siege of every single civilian, cutting off water and food and fuel to the entire population, and the way the bombing campaign has been conducted. So it's retribution, and it's also after their own humiliation and failures on October seventh, to try to re establish that they're the baddest mfors on the block.

That's the other goal.

That's the other goal.

And I would put add a third goal to that, which is net Yahoo trying to hold on for dear life to his political position as Prime Minister when an overwhelming majority of Israelis want him gone either now, a near majority want have gone right now, or some close to eighty percent want him gone now or when the war is over. So he is trying to buy time and trying to satisfy the desire for revenge that exists among the public so that he can hope to survive another political day. And listen, the man is a survivor, political survivor, let me tell you that, let's go and put this next piece up on the screen about what could come after this, you know what's going on in the ground in Gaza. So Blincoln is telling the head of the PA, Mahmurabas, that the Palestinian authority could play a central role in Gaza. Now, it's hard to see how that would really work, to be honest with you, because the PA doesn't really have legitimacy in the West Bank, where they are rightly seen as basically like weak collaborators who have done very little to protect Palestinians who live in the West Bank from escalating settler and idea violence there. But in terms of what a Bass is saying, he says the PA would only assume power in Gaza, which MAS has controlled since two thousand and seven, is part of a quote comprehensive political solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict, according to a Palestinian news agency. So this is what the US is floating, is the PA to play some sort of a central role. But again it's hard to see how that is any sort of a real solution. And also, by the way, remember we reported on the fact that this official government Ministry put on a report of like, okay, here are some of the options. They rated this as the least desirable. Not because of the PA's weakness, which by the way, is something that the Israeli government has tried to ensure that PA is very weak, but because they do not want unity between Gaza and the West Bank, because that could potentially further the aspirations of Palestinian statehood, and so they want to keep these two territories divided. They want to make sure that they have this talking point of like, ah, we got no one to negotiate with, so sure, we love peace, but what can we do?

And I would put add a third goal to that, which is net Yahoo trying to hold on for dear life to his political position as Prime Minister when an overwhelming majority of Israelis want him gone either now, a near majority want have gone right now, or some close to eighty percent want him gone now or when the war is over. So he is trying to buy time and trying to satisfy the desire for revenge that exists among the public so that he can hope to survive another political day. And listen, the man is a survivor, political survivor, let me tell you that, let's go and put this next piece up on the screen about what could come after this, you know what's going on in the ground in Gaza. So Blincoln is telling the head of the PA, Mahmurabas, that the Palestinian authority could play a central role in Gaza. Now, it's hard to see how that would really work, to be honest with you, because the PA doesn't really have legitimacy in the West Bank, where they are rightly seen as basically like weak collaborators who have done very little to protect Palestinians who live in the West Bank from escalating settler and idea violence there. But in terms of what a Bass is saying, he says the PA would only assume power in Gaza, which MAS has controlled since two thousand and seven, is part of a quote comprehensive political solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict, according to a Palestinian news agency. So this is what the US is floating, is the PA to play some sort of a central role. But again it's hard to see how that is any sort of a real solution. And also, by the way, remember we reported on the fact that this official government Ministry put on a report of like, okay, here are some of the options. They rated this as the least desirable. Not because of the PA's weakness, which by the way, is something that the Israeli government has tried to ensure that PA is very weak, but because they do not want unity between Gaza and the West Bank, because that could potentially further the aspirations of Palestinian statehood, and so they want to keep these two territories divided. They want to make sure that they have this talking point of like, ah, we got no one to negotiate with, so sure, we love peace, but what can we do?

Yeah, I mean, I'm getting serious augment Talabi vibes off of Mahmuda bas for people don't know, you can google it. I'm not going to go into all the history right now. It's basically about who the US tried to install. Us these tried to proct president of Iraq and it didn't work out so well, I guess that's the short of answer for it.

Yeah, I mean, I'm getting serious augment Talabi vibes off of Mahmuda bas for people don't know, you can google it. I'm not going to go into all the history right now. It's basically about who the US tried to install. Us these tried to proct president of Iraq and it didn't work out so well, I guess that's the short of answer for it.

All.

All.

The point is just that he is increasingly viewed as a very feckless figure, and of course he himself is actually quite old, has been in power now for decades, and somebody who is viewed as unable to stand up for Palestinians against the Israelis Hamas already.

The point is just that he is increasingly viewed as a very feckless figure, and of course he himself is actually quite old, has been in power now for decades, and somebody who is viewed as unable to stand up for Palestinians against the Israelis Hamas already.

Has a very very high approval rating.

Has a very very high approval rating.

So again, let's assume that you get to a scenario where you do destroy Hamas inside of Gaza. It's gonna be a very difficult operations get to take many months, if not years, in order to accomplish that. Now you have a foreign occupying force and you're going to try and install a government. It's like if you're the government who's being installed by the military occupying force. Ask America how that works out every time that we have tried it to do that. That's why these things are very, very difficult. So look, I don't know. At the same time, we just want to flag this as usual. Americans are smarter than most people who are in charge. Let's put this up there on the screen. Over eighty percent of Americans right now are concerned that the US could be pulled into the Israel and Hamas war. Eighty four percent we're either very or somewhat concerned the US could be drawn into the conflict. The response is actually very by political party, Republicans showing a higher concern than Democrats. Fifty two percent of Republicans said they were very concerned, compared to thirty percent of Democrats, probably because of.

So again, let's assume that you get to a scenario where you do destroy Hamas inside of Gaza. It's gonna be a very difficult operations get to take many months, if not years, in order to accomplish that. Now you have a foreign occupying force and you're going to try and install a government. It's like if you're the government who's being installed by the military occupying force. Ask America how that works out every time that we have tried it to do that. That's why these things are very, very difficult. So look, I don't know. At the same time, we just want to flag this as usual. Americans are smarter than most people who are in charge. Let's put this up there on the screen. Over eighty percent of Americans right now are concerned that the US could be pulled into the Israel and Hamas war. Eighty four percent we're either very or somewhat concerned the US could be drawn into the conflict. The response is actually very by political party, Republicans showing a higher concern than Democrats. Fifty two percent of Republicans said they were very concerned, compared to thirty percent of Democrats, probably because of.

Trust in Biden.

Trust in Biden.

But the quote is just American voters who are watching the cauldron in the Middle East reaching a furious boiling point, are fearful of the war so far confined to Israel and Gaza, will metastasize to include US troops, and considering what we started with about an Ohio class submarine, about these carry strike groups, about these marine expeditionary forces, about our guys who are taking hits in Iraq and Syria. You know, I was just looking at the photos Crystal Secretary Blincoln landed in Baghdad to go in to meet with the Iraqi Prime minister. Even now, you know, as my friend Dan Caldwell so eloquently puts it, after forty four hundred lives, thirty thousand wounded, two trillion in Iraq, America's chief diplomat still has to show up twenty years later in Baghdad at night, in secret, wearing body armor to go in to meet the Iraqi president.

But the quote is just American voters who are watching the cauldron in the Middle East reaching a furious boiling point, are fearful of the war so far confined to Israel and Gaza, will metastasize to include US troops, and considering what we started with about an Ohio class submarine, about these carry strike groups, about these marine expeditionary forces, about our guys who are taking hits in Iraq and Syria. You know, I was just looking at the photos Crystal Secretary Blincoln landed in Baghdad to go in to meet with the Iraqi Prime minister. Even now, you know, as my friend Dan Caldwell so eloquently puts it, after forty four hundred lives, thirty thousand wounded, two trillion in Iraq, America's chief diplomat still has to show up twenty years later in Baghdad at night, in secret, wearing body armor to go in to meet the Iraqi president.

That's where we're at right now.

That's where we're at right now.

So just to show you again our track record of doing this so well, twenty years later, you know, we've got a government in Iraq, which you know, we don't go into this all that often, but it is a nightmare what we have done to that country, how they have ended up.

So just to show you again our track record of doing this so well, twenty years later, you know, we've got a government in Iraq, which you know, we don't go into this all that often, but it is a nightmare what we have done to that country, how they have ended up.

They're basically an Iranian proxy state.

They're basically an Iranian proxy state.

And now our chief diplomat landing in the dead of night in a secret trip, wearing the fake body armor over a suit like Jared Kushner, like a j cru model and all that, and having to take again, having to take a helicopter to the having to take a helicopter to go into meet with the Iraqi prime minister.

And now our chief diplomat landing in the dead of night in a secret trip, wearing the fake body armor over a suit like Jared Kushner, like a j cru model and all that, and having to take again, having to take a helicopter to the having to take a helicopter to go into meet with the Iraqi prime minister.

It's like things haven't changed. George W.

It's like things haven't changed. George W.

Bush landed on the ground there some twenty years ago for his first presidential visit, when we were in the middle of an active war. That tells you really everything that you need to know about our own track record here.

Bush landed on the ground there some twenty years ago for his first presidential visit, when we were in the middle of an active war. That tells you really everything that you need to know about our own track record here.

Yeah, and the last thing I'll say before we move on to what increasingly is clear what the Israelis actually want to do in Gaza after this offensive is complete.

Yeah, and the last thing I'll say before we move on to what increasingly is clear what the Israelis actually want to do in Gaza after this offensive is complete.

Whenever that is the.

Whenever that is the.

Case, you know, the White House realizes that this is you know, this is a mounting political disaster for them, and you've already got two thirds of the public that wants to cease fire. You've already got eighty percent of Democrats that want to cease fire. We're going to cover some poll numbers that are terrible and are only getting worse because you have young people, Arab Americans and Muslim Americans who are disgusted with the Biden ministration's approach. And the longer that this goes on, the more the horror of October seventh fades, and the images that endure are of these Palestinian babies and women and refugee camps and hospitals and ambulances just being bombed with our complete support, with our bombs. So they're trying to create some sort of narrative of like, oh, we really tried, we really tried to rate them in and you know it was we did our.

Case, you know, the White House realizes that this is you know, this is a mounting political disaster for them, and you've already got two thirds of the public that wants to cease fire. You've already got eighty percent of Democrats that want to cease fire. We're going to cover some poll numbers that are terrible and are only getting worse because you have young people, Arab Americans and Muslim Americans who are disgusted with the Biden ministration's approach. And the longer that this goes on, the more the horror of October seventh fades, and the images that endure are of these Palestinian babies and women and refugee camps and hospitals and ambulances just being bombed with our complete support, with our bombs. So they're trying to create some sort of narrative of like, oh, we really tried, we really tried to rate them in and you know it was we did our.

Best, etcetera, etcetera. So they talk.

Best, etcetera, etcetera. So they talk.

There's this sort of bizarre article in the Washington Post where administration officials are leaking to them just you know, how how they can't get anything done and they're really working behind the scenes, but you know they just Israeli's just won't listen to them, and we just really don't have any leverage and it's once again this complete feigned impotence because obviously, I mean the amount of money that we give all of these countries, but Israel chiefly, but you know, since it's off the table, to condition that, to touch that, to even say a word about, you know, even discriminating about what kind of weapons we're going to send, they put that completely off the table. And then they're like, oh, there's nothing we can do. It's like, yeah, because you took all of your leverage off the table from the jump and advertise it to them from the jump, We're not going to draw any red lines, We're not going to condition support.

There's this sort of bizarre article in the Washington Post where administration officials are leaking to them just you know, how how they can't get anything done and they're really working behind the scenes, but you know they just Israeli's just won't listen to them, and we just really don't have any leverage and it's once again this complete feigned impotence because obviously, I mean the amount of money that we give all of these countries, but Israel chiefly, but you know, since it's off the table, to condition that, to touch that, to even say a word about, you know, even discriminating about what kind of weapons we're going to send, they put that completely off the table. And then they're like, oh, there's nothing we can do. It's like, yeah, because you took all of your leverage off the table from the jump and advertise it to them from the jump, We're not going to draw any red lines, We're not going to condition support.

We're with you no matter what you want to do.

We're with you no matter what you want to do.

Even as you know, you've got ministers as we're about to report on talking about Israeli ministers talking about hey, maybe we should now Gaza and plans for ethnic cleansing being intentionally leaked to.

Even as you know, you've got ministers as we're about to report on talking about Israeli ministers talking about hey, maybe we should now Gaza and plans for ethnic cleansing being intentionally leaked to.

The public, et cetera, et cetera.

The public, et cetera, et cetera.

So yeah, we've gotten no leverage in the situation because you decided you would take all of the leverage off the table. And it just annoys me soberg to no end. This like feigned impotence, which is the only thing. This is the thing that they do in domestic politics, oh elementarian, the Republicans.

So yeah, we've gotten no leverage in the situation because you decided you would take all of the leverage off the table. And it just annoys me soberg to no end. This like feigned impotence, which is the only thing. This is the thing that they do in domestic politics, oh elementarian, the Republicans.

It's just so hard.

It's just so hard.

We just can't do what we you know, I know we would love to do these great things for you. We just can't do it. And it's the same frickin thing here. It was the same thing with Ukraine too, which we're about to get to and they're changing their tune there as well.

We just can't do what we you know, I know we would love to do these great things for you. We just can't do it. And it's the same frickin thing here. It was the same thing with Ukraine too, which we're about to get to and they're changing their tune there as well.

Yeah, exactly, I was gonna say. It just reminds me of Ukraine.

Yeah, exactly, I was gonna say. It just reminds me of Ukraine.

It's like when you set us a thing where you're like, no, this partner, this person is our ally no matter what, we're blood brothers, the whole, my whole thing. I've always thought this, you should only bestow that status on maybe one or two countries. To me, it's like the UK in Australia, that's basically it. Everybody else in my in my opinion, can eat it. And it's like we've got to be very very transactional the issue for all of these like Israel, Ukraine. You know, it's everything we refuse to condition our aid. We just say you can do whatever you want, and then where it's like a given that we're just going to get dragged in next to you now listen, you can be an ally. That's that's the thing. It's fine then, but that means that there is a trans actual relationship. I can guarantee you. In Israel they have no qualms calling out the United States whenever they feel like they're not getting taken care of. They have absolutely they spy on us, They steal secrets. You know, the open, dirty little secret in Washington is that the biggest penetrator of the US government from spies is Mosad. And then go look at people like Netanyahu who went to go visit in Israeli spy in prison and beg for his release and then welcomed him with open arms after an openly turned trader to the US government. It's like they're happily willing to look at this as transactional for some reason, We're so stupid that we're not. And this is not way bigger than an Israel problem. This is a Ukraine problem, this's a Saudi problem. There's so many different countries that come on, even an Egyptian problem or Jordanian problems, Like we can't get these people to do anything that we want because they think we're fools. It's just you know, the humiliation just goes on and on. But this is a bipartisan story unfortunately.

It's like when you set us a thing where you're like, no, this partner, this person is our ally no matter what, we're blood brothers, the whole, my whole thing. I've always thought this, you should only bestow that status on maybe one or two countries. To me, it's like the UK in Australia, that's basically it. Everybody else in my in my opinion, can eat it. And it's like we've got to be very very transactional the issue for all of these like Israel, Ukraine. You know, it's everything we refuse to condition our aid. We just say you can do whatever you want, and then where it's like a given that we're just going to get dragged in next to you now listen, you can be an ally. That's that's the thing. It's fine then, but that means that there is a trans actual relationship. I can guarantee you. In Israel they have no qualms calling out the United States whenever they feel like they're not getting taken care of. They have absolutely they spy on us, They steal secrets. You know, the open, dirty little secret in Washington is that the biggest penetrator of the US government from spies is Mosad. And then go look at people like Netanyahu who went to go visit in Israeli spy in prison and beg for his release and then welcomed him with open arms after an openly turned trader to the US government. It's like they're happily willing to look at this as transactional for some reason, We're so stupid that we're not. And this is not way bigger than an Israel problem. This is a Ukraine problem, this's a Saudi problem. There's so many different countries that come on, even an Egyptian problem or Jordanian problems, Like we can't get these people to do anything that we want because they think we're fools. It's just you know, the humiliation just goes on and on. But this is a bipartisan story unfortunately.

Yeah, so let's get to what increasingly is clear what Israel actually wants to do with regards to Gaza and the Palestinians who live in Gaza.

Yeah, so let's get to what increasingly is clear what Israel actually wants to do with regards to Gaza and the Palestinians who live in Gaza.

Put this up on the screen.

Put this up on the screen.

They have been quietly pushing for Egypt to admit large numbers of Gazans. Let me go ahead and read a little bit from this report. They say they've been trying to build international support in recent weeks for the transfer of several hundred thousand civilians from Gaza to Egypt for the duration of its war in the territory. Israeli leaders and diplomats have privately proposed the idea to several foreign governments, framing it as a humanitarian initiative that would allow civilians to temporarily escape the perils of Gaza for refugee camps in the Sinai Desert just across the border neighboring Egypt. The suggestion was dismissed by most of Israel's interlocutors, who include the US and Britain, because of the rice that such a mass displacement could become permanent. Some Israeli hardliners advocate keeping control of Gaza and permanently expelling its Palestinian residents.

They have been quietly pushing for Egypt to admit large numbers of Gazans. Let me go ahead and read a little bit from this report. They say they've been trying to build international support in recent weeks for the transfer of several hundred thousand civilians from Gaza to Egypt for the duration of its war in the territory. Israeli leaders and diplomats have privately proposed the idea to several foreign governments, framing it as a humanitarian initiative that would allow civilians to temporarily escape the perils of Gaza for refugee camps in the Sinai Desert just across the border neighboring Egypt. The suggestion was dismissed by most of Israel's interlocutors, who include the US and Britain, because of the rice that such a mass displacement could become permanent. Some Israeli hardliners advocate keeping control of Gaza and permanently expelling its Palestinian residents.

A Lacud lawmaker has.

A Lacud lawmaker has.

Called for another Nakba that would quote overshadow the original mass displacement in nineteen forty eight. Here's the quote from that Likud lawmaker. Right now, one goal cold knock but nap but in Gaza, and knock but to anyone who dares to join. Another far right government minister said on Wednesday that Gazan land should be given to former Israeli soldiers who fought in Gaza, or to former Israeli settlers who lived in the enclave before Israel withdrew in two thousand and five. Video is also emerged of an Israeli military officer calling for Israel to reoccupy Gaza, as well as a separate video that shows a pop singer calling for that reoccupation, prompting the approval of an audience of soldiers. So they have been pushing, working behind the scenes to try to convince Egypt. Hey just take a few hundred thousand of these Gaza residents just for the duration of the war. Pinky promise, We're totally going to take them back. Meanwhile, their own government and affiliated think tanks are laying out proposals for the permanent removal of Palestinians from Gaza, which would be an ethnic cleansing, very clear textbook by the definition. And so it's very hard for anyone to believe that this evacuation would truly truly be temporary. Certainly, the Palestinians don't believe it, the Egyptians don't believe it, the Jordanians don't believe it. Even we don't even our dumbasses don't believe it. So in terms of the United States government and Tony Blincoln, so this is you know, becoming pretty clear that this is what they're pushing for behind the scenes. And Saber, you know, in that report that came out, which there was some suggestion that it was sort of intentionally leaked as like a trial balloon, they even talked about how they would overcome this type of initial opposition, and it's like, basically, you create facts on the ground where you have such a humanitarian catastrophe which is already unfolding. You know, you have now residents of Gaza who are living on two pieces of bread coming basically from the un A day water is extremely scarce, no fuel. I mean, you guys know the horror that is unfolding there. So you create such a humanitarian catastrophe that it creates all this pressure on Egypt in particular to take people in. You already see them taking in some to a field hostile, very small numbers at this point, and you make it so that there really is no feasible alternative, like what is the feasible alternative? So I think that's the direction that they continue to push on, both in terms of their private negotiations and in terms of these public trial balloons, and you know, in terms of very clear statements from these aren't fringed people who are saying openly, hey, let's call for the Nakpa. These are members of the governing party.

Called for another Nakba that would quote overshadow the original mass displacement in nineteen forty eight. Here's the quote from that Likud lawmaker. Right now, one goal cold knock but nap but in Gaza, and knock but to anyone who dares to join. Another far right government minister said on Wednesday that Gazan land should be given to former Israeli soldiers who fought in Gaza, or to former Israeli settlers who lived in the enclave before Israel withdrew in two thousand and five. Video is also emerged of an Israeli military officer calling for Israel to reoccupy Gaza, as well as a separate video that shows a pop singer calling for that reoccupation, prompting the approval of an audience of soldiers. So they have been pushing, working behind the scenes to try to convince Egypt. Hey just take a few hundred thousand of these Gaza residents just for the duration of the war. Pinky promise, We're totally going to take them back. Meanwhile, their own government and affiliated think tanks are laying out proposals for the permanent removal of Palestinians from Gaza, which would be an ethnic cleansing, very clear textbook by the definition. And so it's very hard for anyone to believe that this evacuation would truly truly be temporary. Certainly, the Palestinians don't believe it, the Egyptians don't believe it, the Jordanians don't believe it. Even we don't even our dumbasses don't believe it. So in terms of the United States government and Tony Blincoln, so this is you know, becoming pretty clear that this is what they're pushing for behind the scenes. And Saber, you know, in that report that came out, which there was some suggestion that it was sort of intentionally leaked as like a trial balloon, they even talked about how they would overcome this type of initial opposition, and it's like, basically, you create facts on the ground where you have such a humanitarian catastrophe which is already unfolding. You know, you have now residents of Gaza who are living on two pieces of bread coming basically from the un A day water is extremely scarce, no fuel. I mean, you guys know the horror that is unfolding there. So you create such a humanitarian catastrophe that it creates all this pressure on Egypt in particular to take people in. You already see them taking in some to a field hostile, very small numbers at this point, and you make it so that there really is no feasible alternative, like what is the feasible alternative? So I think that's the direction that they continue to push on, both in terms of their private negotiations and in terms of these public trial balloons, and you know, in terms of very clear statements from these aren't fringed people who are saying openly, hey, let's call for the Nakpa. These are members of the governing party.

Yeah, this is where I think that the US power actually could be the most exerted where they're going to Israel and they're like this is a red line. They're like, if there's any discussion of this in the official government, you're nuking it.

Yeah, this is where I think that the US power actually could be the most exerted where they're going to Israel and they're like this is a red line. They're like, if there's any discussion of this in the official government, you're nuking it.

It's not happening.

It's not happening.

That's for conditional aid, is same thing for Egypt, or like we're going to set up a safe zone, not a single person has to be worrying about ethnic cleansing.

That's for conditional aid, is same thing for Egypt, or like we're going to set up a safe zone, not a single person has to be worrying about ethnic cleansing.

Everybody's going to be able to return.

Everybody's going to be able to return.

We can have some sort of military operation, We can negotiate the battlespace, the military objective and all of that, and that is how we keep a cap on a major regional war.

We can have some sort of military operation, We can negotiate the battlespace, the military objective and all of that, and that is how we keep a cap on a major regional war.

Instead, we're not doing any of that.

Instead, we're not doing any of that.

And I would point actually to that shocking comment that came from Egypt five days ago, which is starting to make a hell of a lot more sense.

And I would point actually to that shocking comment that came from Egypt five days ago, which is starting to make a hell of a lot more sense.

When he said, quote quote, we.

When he said, quote quote, we.

Are ready to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that no one encroaches upon our territory.

Are ready to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that no one encroaches upon our territory.

That was the Prime Minister of Egypt, and it.

That was the Prime Minister of Egypt, and it.

Was said with look, Caesi didn't say it, but he definitely was ordered to say it, or it was conditioned and it was greenlit by the Egyptian government. And at the time there was some eyebrows then started, you know, we started seeing inklings about Israeli plans and all that. But now it seems that this was you know, actually asked and pushed for behind the scenes to the Egyptians and explains initially also why ceci so rejected Anthony Blinkoln in that initial October eighth and October ninth visit when Blincoln was like, hey, maybe we opened up.

Was said with look, Caesi didn't say it, but he definitely was ordered to say it, or it was conditioned and it was greenlit by the Egyptian government. And at the time there was some eyebrows then started, you know, we started seeing inklings about Israeli plans and all that. But now it seems that this was you know, actually asked and pushed for behind the scenes to the Egyptians and explains initially also why ceci so rejected Anthony Blinkoln in that initial October eighth and October ninth visit when Blincoln was like, hey, maybe we opened up.

The sun and Caesar was like, absolutely not. Hell no, I'm not doing it.

The sun and Caesar was like, absolutely not. Hell no, I'm not doing it.

At the time, even people can probably go look, I was like, I don't know why they're not doing it. Now it all starts to make a lot more sense. And it's because also again we can allay these fears, we could.

At the time, even people can probably go look, I was like, I don't know why they're not doing it. Now it all starts to make a lot more sense. And it's because also again we can allay these fears, we could.

Tell these railies. We're like, this is not gonna happen, period, end the story.

Tell these railies. We're like, this is not gonna happen, period, end the story.

Never, we will never live with this as a red line for US policy. If it's even openly discussed, an AID and all that is not going to happen. But you know, in this environment, which is basically a vacuum of these Raelies get to do basically what they want, and then the Egyptians even I don't even know if we have proper relations at this point, you know, can the President Biden can even get CC on the phone. Maybe they're not going to believe a word that we say. So the trust deficit is actually making things way more unstable in the region. And that's again the prosper for regional war increases on behalf of that.

Never, we will never live with this as a red line for US policy. If it's even openly discussed, an AID and all that is not going to happen. But you know, in this environment, which is basically a vacuum of these Raelies get to do basically what they want, and then the Egyptians even I don't even know if we have proper relations at this point, you know, can the President Biden can even get CC on the phone. Maybe they're not going to believe a word that we say. So the trust deficit is actually making things way more unstable in the region. And that's again the prosper for regional war increases on behalf of that.

I also just have to comment on I guess what you would call a historical irony of the Jewish Israeli government trying to push a stateless people to wander in the Sinai Egyptian desert indefinitely. Like I said, I think you might call that a historic irony to speak to some more of the just, you know, utterly extreme genocidal like open like advocation for advocation, that's not a word anyway, advocacy for ethnic cleansing coming out of the Israeli government.

I also just have to comment on I guess what you would call a historical irony of the Jewish Israeli government trying to push a stateless people to wander in the Sinai Egyptian desert indefinitely. Like I said, I think you might call that a historic irony to speak to some more of the just, you know, utterly extreme genocidal like open like advocation for advocation, that's not a word anyway, advocacy for ethnic cleansing coming out of the Israeli government.

Our great allies who we have.

Our great allies who we have.

Drawn zero red lines for, made it really clear we're not drawing any red lines. Go ahead and put this up on the screen. This was from Bezalielsmotrich, who is the Israeli Finance minister, so he's a cabinet minister. He said on Israeli TV quote, I don't see a big difference between Hamas and the Palestinian authority. Palestini authority of course in charge of the West Bank. The Arabs are the same Arabs. Okay, So this puts into context what has been going on in the West Bank that we broke down for you last week in Counterpoints. Off also covered extensively massive escalation in violence in the West Bank. Jewish settlers aided in a majority of the cases directly by the IDF pushing Palestinians off of their land, killing over one hundred just in the time period post October seventh. So while this war has been while this war has been raged being waged on Gaza, you have over one hundred Palestinians in the West Bank being murdered there as well. So he's laying out the groundwork here. For hey, Hamas is not just Gaza. We see the West Bank. We see the people who run the West Bank as being basically the same as Hamas the quote Arabs are the same Arabs. So it gives you insight into the thinking of some of the coalition partners and one particular cabinet minister in the net Yahoo government. And so this is what we mean when we say this is the most extreme government that Israel has ever had in their history.

Drawn zero red lines for, made it really clear we're not drawing any red lines. Go ahead and put this up on the screen. This was from Bezalielsmotrich, who is the Israeli Finance minister, so he's a cabinet minister. He said on Israeli TV quote, I don't see a big difference between Hamas and the Palestinian authority. Palestini authority of course in charge of the West Bank. The Arabs are the same Arabs. Okay, So this puts into context what has been going on in the West Bank that we broke down for you last week in Counterpoints. Off also covered extensively massive escalation in violence in the West Bank. Jewish settlers aided in a majority of the cases directly by the IDF pushing Palestinians off of their land, killing over one hundred just in the time period post October seventh. So while this war has been while this war has been raged being waged on Gaza, you have over one hundred Palestinians in the West Bank being murdered there as well. So he's laying out the groundwork here. For hey, Hamas is not just Gaza. We see the West Bank. We see the people who run the West Bank as being basically the same as Hamas the quote Arabs are the same Arabs. So it gives you insight into the thinking of some of the coalition partners and one particular cabinet minister in the net Yahoo government. And so this is what we mean when we say this is the most extreme government that Israel has ever had in their history.

And just to add one war.

And just to add one war.

That I referred to before, go and put this up on the screen, another far right minister saying that quote nuking Gaza is an option population should quote go to Ireland or the deserts. This was in an interview local interview where this minister was he's the Heritage minister was suggesting that some kind of nuclear bomb could be dropped on Gaza. He was asked the question, you know whether this would be a good idea, and he said, quote, that's one way. He also voiced his objection during the interview to allow any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying quote, we wouldn't hand the Nazis humanitarian aid and charging that there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.

That I referred to before, go and put this up on the screen, another far right minister saying that quote nuking Gaza is an option population should quote go to Ireland or the deserts. This was in an interview local interview where this minister was he's the Heritage minister was suggesting that some kind of nuclear bomb could be dropped on Gaza. He was asked the question, you know whether this would be a good idea, and he said, quote, that's one way. He also voiced his objection during the interview to allow any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying quote, we wouldn't hand the Nazis humanitarian aid and charging that there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.

This is exactly the type of.

This is exactly the type of.

Dehumanizing rhetoric that throughout history has been used to justify genocide, because if there are no uninvolved citizens, there are no innocent civilians, then hey, no problem to just wipe them all off the map. He goes even further, He backs retaking the strip's territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says, quote, they can go to Ireland or deserts. Monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves. He says the Northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag should not continue living on.

Dehumanizing rhetoric that throughout history has been used to justify genocide, because if there are no uninvolved citizens, there are no innocent civilians, then hey, no problem to just wipe them all off the map. He goes even further, He backs retaking the strip's territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says, quote, they can go to Ireland or deserts. Monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves. He says the Northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag should not continue living on.

The face of the earth. This is a.

The face of the earth. This is a.

Government minister who is saying these things and who again we have said, no red lines, no matter what, do what you want to do.

Government minister who is saying these things and who again we have said, no red lines, no matter what, do what you want to do.

Yeah, it's again, I just can't come.

Yeah, it's again, I just can't come.

I can't help but come back to the way that we are apparently just not even we're not talking to Netayahu about this, or they are not listening, or a little bit of both. In every respect, I mean, none of this is helpful in any way.

I can't help but come back to the way that we are apparently just not even we're not talking to Netayahu about this, or they are not listening, or a little bit of both. In every respect, I mean, none of this is helpful in any way.

It's also funny. I think we were talking about this Crystal.

It's also funny. I think we were talking about this Crystal.

One of the reasons he got in trouble, this minister is for admitting that Israel has nuclear weapons, right, which they're not supposed to admit, even though they obviously do. You should also go look, I was talking a little bit about spying and stealing technology from the US. You should go look into the history of how they acquire those US weapons. Are those nuclear weapons very very interesting for behavior for an ally, But that's something that we could put aside. The point I think just for all of this is that the open calls within Israel are bolstering the worst claims of Hamas and of Palestinians, giving them the power to enforce their ideology and their governance. We're protecting you against these It's also inflaming the tensions of our allied Arab and or Turkish countries in the region, which are saying openly look at what they are saying.

One of the reasons he got in trouble, this minister is for admitting that Israel has nuclear weapons, right, which they're not supposed to admit, even though they obviously do. You should also go look, I was talking a little bit about spying and stealing technology from the US. You should go look into the history of how they acquire those US weapons. Are those nuclear weapons very very interesting for behavior for an ally, But that's something that we could put aside. The point I think just for all of this is that the open calls within Israel are bolstering the worst claims of Hamas and of Palestinians, giving them the power to enforce their ideology and their governance. We're protecting you against these It's also inflaming the tensions of our allied Arab and or Turkish countries in the region, which are saying openly look at what they are saying.

We cannot abide by this.

We cannot abide by this.

So, with all that trust deficit, the US, by basically being caught in the middle here is making it so that we have very little authority to exert over the conflict, which just means more uncertainty and more chaos and more prospect for Yeah.