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All right, Let's go ahead and move on to a lot that is unfolding in Israel. Right now, I can put this up on the screen. We have beb once again to get back to the US humiliation, snubbing the US which is claimed to want them to wrap up their assault on Gaza kind of soon, and say, you know what, Actually, this war against some US it's set to continue at least into twenty twenty five. He reportedly told local council chiefs from communities near Gaza on Tuesday, he anticipates the war against from US extending into twenty twenty five, According to an unsourced Channel twelve report on the meeting, which was held at the IDF's Southern Command headquarters and attended by other Security Cabinet ministers Natana who told the Council chiefs that according to the current assessment, the war may continue into next year. I'm going to get in a moment into the psychology of not only Babe who we focused on before, his incentives in keeping this thing going forever and potentially expanding this thing, you know, even more aggressively into at least a northern front, potentially drawing in Iran Iran as well. But if you look at the entirety of the War Cabinet and the Defense establishment, they all have a lot of interest in keeping this war going. So I don't want anybody to get it into their head that it's just like one bad apple who wants this to go on forever and has incentives, personal political incentives tied to his own ambitions to hold onto his power, that has an interest in keeping this thing going. Basically all of the leadership share very similar interests in that regard. At the same time, Jake Sullivan and Tony B. Lincoln, we're at the World Economic Forum in Davos spinning their version of what they would like to see supposedly in the quote unquote day after in Gaza, and they continue to push for a two state solutions, something I certainly support. I think the only resolution to this conflict is not a military resolution, It is a diplomatic resolution that results in Palestinians having actual statehood and actual rights and dignity. They claim to support that, Let's take a listen to what they had to say.

All right, Let's go ahead and move on to a lot that is unfolding in Israel. Right now, I can put this up on the screen. We have beb once again to get back to the US humiliation, snubbing the US which is claimed to want them to wrap up their assault on Gaza kind of soon, and say, you know what, Actually, this war against some US it's set to continue at least into twenty twenty five. He reportedly told local council chiefs from communities near Gaza on Tuesday, he anticipates the war against from US extending into twenty twenty five, According to an unsourced Channel twelve report on the meeting, which was held at the IDF's Southern Command headquarters and attended by other Security Cabinet ministers Natana who told the Council chiefs that according to the current assessment, the war may continue into next year. I'm going to get in a moment into the psychology of not only Babe who we focused on before, his incentives in keeping this thing going forever and potentially expanding this thing, you know, even more aggressively into at least a northern front, potentially drawing in Iran Iran as well. But if you look at the entirety of the War Cabinet and the Defense establishment, they all have a lot of interest in keeping this war going. So I don't want anybody to get it into their head that it's just like one bad apple who wants this to go on forever and has incentives, personal political incentives tied to his own ambitions to hold onto his power, that has an interest in keeping this thing going. Basically all of the leadership share very similar interests in that regard. At the same time, Jake Sullivan and Tony B. Lincoln, we're at the World Economic Forum in Davos spinning their version of what they would like to see supposedly in the quote unquote day after in Gaza, and they continue to push for a two state solutions, something I certainly support. I think the only resolution to this conflict is not a military resolution, It is a diplomatic resolution that results in Palestinians having actual statehood and actual rights and dignity. They claim to support that, Let's take a listen to what they had to say.

We seek to stop the spread of conflict and to create the conditions for de escalation. Our approach is and remains focused on moving towards greater integration and stability in the region. Long before October seventh, the United States was deeply engaged in an effort to secure a political horizon for the Palestinian people, with Israel security guaranteed as part of that.

We seek to stop the spread of conflict and to create the conditions for de escalation. Our approach is and remains focused on moving towards greater integration and stability in the region. Long before October seventh, the United States was deeply engaged in an effort to secure a political horizon for the Palestinian people, with Israel security guaranteed as part of that.

So listen, that's well, all well and good, except I mean, he's lying when he says that we were doing anything to try to push for Palestinian statehood before October seventh. We'd completely thrown them under the bus in this attempt at normalization with Saudi Arabia. But the other problem Saga is this is utter and complete fantasy. The only way you're going to have any sort of a two state solution at this point is if the US basically forces it is really actually willing, and I think we could theoretically do this to use our muscle and to use the points of leverage that we have to force this outcome in spite of the fact that this is not what the Israelis want. And I'm not just talking about Netanyahu, who is out there bragging about how he is thwarted a two state solution for years now and that he is your guy to guarantee there will never be a Palestinian state. But Israelis are by and large the population not interested in a two state solution. Put this up on the screen. This was prior to October seventh. The numbers that I've seen post October seventh are actually very similar to where this stands, which is only thirty two percent of Jewish Israelis and five five percent of the Israeli public overall believe that you could have an independent Palestine that could coexist peacefully. And that's why you hear Netanyahu out there campaigning effectively to keep his job based on a promise that he will guarantee this never ever happens. So it would be one thing sager if the US had shown any willingness to use the points of leverage they had to obtain this outcome. But if you're just going to go out there at Davos and pretend like there's some fantasy world out there that exists that doesn't actually exist, and you are not willing to use any sort of power to try to create that reality you claim to support, like you're just a liar and a fraud.

So listen, that's well, all well and good, except I mean, he's lying when he says that we were doing anything to try to push for Palestinian statehood before October seventh. We'd completely thrown them under the bus in this attempt at normalization with Saudi Arabia. But the other problem Saga is this is utter and complete fantasy. The only way you're going to have any sort of a two state solution at this point is if the US basically forces it is really actually willing, and I think we could theoretically do this to use our muscle and to use the points of leverage that we have to force this outcome in spite of the fact that this is not what the Israelis want. And I'm not just talking about Netanyahu, who is out there bragging about how he is thwarted a two state solution for years now and that he is your guy to guarantee there will never be a Palestinian state. But Israelis are by and large the population not interested in a two state solution. Put this up on the screen. This was prior to October seventh. The numbers that I've seen post October seventh are actually very similar to where this stands, which is only thirty two percent of Jewish Israelis and five five percent of the Israeli public overall believe that you could have an independent Palestine that could coexist peacefully. And that's why you hear Netanyahu out there campaigning effectively to keep his job based on a promise that he will guarantee this never ever happens. So it would be one thing sager if the US had shown any willingness to use the points of leverage they had to obtain this outcome. But if you're just going to go out there at Davos and pretend like there's some fantasy world out there that exists that doesn't actually exist, and you are not willing to use any sort of power to try to create that reality you claim to support, like you're just a liar and a fraud.

At that point.

At that point.

The problem I think that they really have here is that everyone in the international system is pretending otherwise. So I was reading earlier today the Saudi Arabians and the UAE are like, we must have Palestinian statehood, and it's.

The problem I think that they really have here is that everyone in the international system is pretending otherwise. So I was reading earlier today the Saudi Arabians and the UAE are like, we must have Palestinian statehood, and it's.

Like okay, well, like what are you going to do about it?

Like okay, well, like what are you going to do about it?

And then the Israelis are like, well, we don't really want Palestinian statehood, and in America is like, well, we do want Palestinian stated but we're not necessarily going to do anything.

And then the Israelis are like, well, we don't really want Palestinian statehood, and in America is like, well, we do want Palestinian stated but we're not necessarily going to do anything.

Like you said.

Like you said.

I think we may be able to force them, but honestly, I don't know. Their political system is so screwed up and their democratic incentives are such that they may honestly favor either a break of relations or like really daring us to actually break off, and I think they would win in a standoff, Crystal, like we're in a standoff with our political system, as in Americans would break first in terms of like no Israel, like don't go. We're not really going to do anything we promise, Whereas I think the Israelis, I mean, at least for where the population is and all of that, they could certainly walk considering where things are trending in that direction.

I think we may be able to force them, but honestly, I don't know. Their political system is so screwed up and their democratic incentives are such that they may honestly favor either a break of relations or like really daring us to actually break off, and I think they would win in a standoff, Crystal, like we're in a standoff with our political system, as in Americans would break first in terms of like no Israel, like don't go. We're not really going to do anything we promise, Whereas I think the Israelis, I mean, at least for where the population is and all of that, they could certainly walk considering where things are trending in that direction.

That's obviously true because there's not even willingness.

That's obviously true because there's not even willingness.

To even try.

To even try.

So even if we did, I think they were win.

So even if we did, I think they were win.

There's no way, I mean, we're not even willing to even try. This is all fantasy. These people are smart or not. Like Jake Sullivan is not an idiot, for all of the issues I have with him. Tony Blinken. Also, these are not stupid people. They know the reality of who not only nan Yahu, but the entire you know, the war cabinet and where is really public.

There's no way, I mean, we're not even willing to even try. This is all fantasy. These people are smart or not. Like Jake Sullivan is not an idiot, for all of the issues I have with him. Tony Blinken. Also, these are not stupid people. They know the reality of who not only nan Yahu, but the entire you know, the war cabinet and where is really public.

But they know all of this.

But they know all of this.

They know that the settlements that have been allowed to expand under every single Israeli prime minister, not just Benjamin Natanah, every single one. Okay, those settlements make it almost impossible and that's the goal of the settlements to have any store of a two state solution. They know that Naanyahu made this cynical deal of I'm going to prop up Hamas because They're a useful foil for me, and I'm going to keep the West Bank and the Gaza Strip separated, and I'm going to use Himas to say, look, we don't have a partner. They know all of this, but they are willing to go out there and lie and create some fantasy situation and potential solution that they are not in any way willing to actually back up and push for, you know, to get back to what I was saying about Bibi and his interests in forever war, which is shared by the war cabinet. This was a fantastic piece that laid out the calculus here from Haretz got and put this up on the screen.

They know that the settlements that have been allowed to expand under every single Israeli prime minister, not just Benjamin Natanah, every single one. Okay, those settlements make it almost impossible and that's the goal of the settlements to have any store of a two state solution. They know that Naanyahu made this cynical deal of I'm going to prop up Hamas because They're a useful foil for me, and I'm going to keep the West Bank and the Gaza Strip separated, and I'm going to use Himas to say, look, we don't have a partner. They know all of this, but they are willing to go out there and lie and create some fantasy situation and potential solution that they are not in any way willing to actually back up and push for, you know, to get back to what I was saying about Bibi and his interests in forever war, which is shared by the war cabinet. This was a fantastic piece that laid out the calculus here from Haretz got and put this up on the screen.

The headline is.

The headline is.

Why Israel's political and military leaders want a perpetual war. Many of the country's decision makers appear enamored of a situation in which the Israel War Hamas war continues with no end in sight. This is why it could benefit them. And he goes through peace by piece member, my member and says, this is their calculus, this is why it's in their interests to keep this thing going forever. He starts with this quote, could keep this up on the screen because we've got the quote there. The war has become the objective. Think about that. Just the war itself has become the goal. Former Shinbet Security Agency director Amy Alen told me in a recent Haretz interview the statement attracted wide attentional tension in Israel and around the world because think of what an omission that is. No, we're not trying to take Ahamas now, We're not really trying to accomplish, you.

Why Israel's political and military leaders want a perpetual war. Many of the country's decision makers appear enamored of a situation in which the Israel War Hamas war continues with no end in sight. This is why it could benefit them. And he goes through peace by piece member, my member and says, this is their calculus, this is why it's in their interests to keep this thing going forever. He starts with this quote, could keep this up on the screen because we've got the quote there. The war has become the objective. Think about that. Just the war itself has become the goal. Former Shinbet Security Agency director Amy Alen told me in a recent Haretz interview the statement attracted wide attentional tension in Israel and around the world because think of what an omission that is. No, we're not trying to take Ahamas now, We're not really trying to accomplish, you.

Know, security for our people. All we want is war. That's the whole goal is war.

Know, security for our people. All we want is war. That's the whole goal is war.

To keep the war going forever, not because it served the interests of certainly not the Palestinians, certainly not the israel public, because it serves their own political interest to keep this thing going. So as one example here to see the way that this thinking plays out, Benny Gance, who is supposedly, you know, oppositional to Netnyahuo, who joined the war cabinet as a show of unity in the wake of October seventh. He writes, Gan seems to be basking and success in the polls, concerned he would lose his high rating in the polls if he quits the government. From that perspective, there's little difference between him and Netanyahu and their management of the war. The decisions of both are motivated by personal and political considerations. In addition, keep in mind it's not just net Yahu and his policy that failed on October seventh, It was also the entire defense security intel establishment. So people like Joev Galant, who again had been at odds with net Yaho over the judicial coup situation, he shares in that failure on October seventh of preventing and then responding to those attacks. So he also has an interest in keeping this thing going as long as possible to avoid the questions in the scrutiny that will come of what the hell happened that enabled this all to unfold. They also believe that the more fighting they do, you know, decimate Gaza, okay, then we'll move on to Hesbalah and wherever else beyond that. They can then bring home more supposed victories to the people and maybe that'll bolster their political standing. And let's be honest, for them, also, it's not like what's happened in Gaza has gone all that well for them, they have not destroyed Hamas. They have not come even close to destroying Hamas. They have not destroyed the tunnel system. They haven't even been able to They have not been able to free the hostages. The only time hostages were being freed was from through a ceasefire, which they all oppose because they want this thing to go on forever. They killed three of their own hostages, that's more than they were able to rescue, and top Hamas leadership remains at large within the Gaza strip. So they have not accomplished anything close to the impossible goals that they sent out the beginning of this, which were now are really the real goals, and have every interest in keeping this thing going and expanding it even further.

To keep the war going forever, not because it served the interests of certainly not the Palestinians, certainly not the israel public, because it serves their own political interest to keep this thing going. So as one example here to see the way that this thinking plays out, Benny Gance, who is supposedly, you know, oppositional to Netnyahuo, who joined the war cabinet as a show of unity in the wake of October seventh. He writes, Gan seems to be basking and success in the polls, concerned he would lose his high rating in the polls if he quits the government. From that perspective, there's little difference between him and Netanyahu and their management of the war. The decisions of both are motivated by personal and political considerations. In addition, keep in mind it's not just net Yahu and his policy that failed on October seventh, It was also the entire defense security intel establishment. So people like Joev Galant, who again had been at odds with net Yaho over the judicial coup situation, he shares in that failure on October seventh of preventing and then responding to those attacks. So he also has an interest in keeping this thing going as long as possible to avoid the questions in the scrutiny that will come of what the hell happened that enabled this all to unfold. They also believe that the more fighting they do, you know, decimate Gaza, okay, then we'll move on to Hesbalah and wherever else beyond that. They can then bring home more supposed victories to the people and maybe that'll bolster their political standing. And let's be honest, for them, also, it's not like what's happened in Gaza has gone all that well for them, they have not destroyed Hamas. They have not come even close to destroying Hamas. They have not destroyed the tunnel system. They haven't even been able to They have not been able to free the hostages. The only time hostages were being freed was from through a ceasefire, which they all oppose because they want this thing to go on forever. They killed three of their own hostages, that's more than they were able to rescue, and top Hamas leadership remains at large within the Gaza strip. So they have not accomplished anything close to the impossible goals that they sent out the beginning of this, which were now are really the real goals, and have every interest in keeping this thing going and expanding it even further.

Well the expansion actually, you know one of the things that we've been looking and wanted to fly for all of you. Can we put D six please up on the screen. It's about the Wall Street Journal. They say Israel's war in Gaza is entering its most perilous phase yet. Military is aiming to take control of the maze of tunnels under communists. As refugees crowd into the South and international outcry grows over the death toll. The reason that they put it that way is that a obviously there's no more shelter in Gaza, so it's not like you can tell people to leave. But the tunnel network that is in, the tunnel network from the Egyptian border is the one that the Israeli has had the least amount of visibility in and brings them not only in contact with the vast majority of whatever's left of the civilian populace, but more and more likely of a mistake and a perilous step over the border with Egypt. Because Egypt has their military all right there at the Rafa crossing, They're very sensitive and have been previously to any like military incursion or any age to the Egyptian status quo. That all goes back to the the peace agreements. Already both are technically in violation of some of the Sinai agreements, but this could make it so that if the Israelis do cross the border, if there's one you know, wrong strike or which we've previously seen in the past, dramatically escalate tensions. Not to mention the civilian problems, and also because Rafa is the main way which humanitarian aid has been going through, which we know that there's a new Dalon, but this could even imperil that because if you destroy the infrastructure, there's nowhere to even move anything through.

Well the expansion actually, you know one of the things that we've been looking and wanted to fly for all of you. Can we put D six please up on the screen. It's about the Wall Street Journal. They say Israel's war in Gaza is entering its most perilous phase yet. Military is aiming to take control of the maze of tunnels under communists. As refugees crowd into the South and international outcry grows over the death toll. The reason that they put it that way is that a obviously there's no more shelter in Gaza, so it's not like you can tell people to leave. But the tunnel network that is in, the tunnel network from the Egyptian border is the one that the Israeli has had the least amount of visibility in and brings them not only in contact with the vast majority of whatever's left of the civilian populace, but more and more likely of a mistake and a perilous step over the border with Egypt. Because Egypt has their military all right there at the Rafa crossing, They're very sensitive and have been previously to any like military incursion or any age to the Egyptian status quo. That all goes back to the the peace agreements. Already both are technically in violation of some of the Sinai agreements, but this could make it so that if the Israelis do cross the border, if there's one you know, wrong strike or which we've previously seen in the past, dramatically escalate tensions. Not to mention the civilian problems, and also because Rafa is the main way which humanitarian aid has been going through, which we know that there's a new Dalon, but this could even imperil that because if you destroy the infrastructure, there's nowhere to even move anything through.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, Egypt is extremely pissed at Israel for a variety of reasons, but in particular because Israel tried to throw them under the bus at the International Court of Justice and claim they were the reason that Palestinians were not receiving anywhere close to sufficient aid and why half of the population of the Gaza strip is starving right now, a disease spreading rampantly and no wildly inadequate medical supplies, amputations happening on children without anesthetic.

Well, Egypt is extremely pissed at Israel for a variety of reasons, but in particular because Israel tried to throw them under the bus at the International Court of Justice and claim they were the reason that Palestinians were not receiving anywhere close to sufficient aid and why half of the population of the Gaza strip is starving right now, a disease spreading rampantly and no wildly inadequate medical supplies, amputations happening on children without anesthetic.

They tried to blame Egypt for that.

They tried to blame Egypt for that.

Egypt was so pissed off that they're now submitting their own filings disputing that is really report to the ICJ to rebut those you know, scurrilous claims that were made, and you know so at the same time as you have all of this interest in the direction of forever war, Israel is really making themselves into a global paria to the extent that, of course they had charges filed against them at the ICJ claiming that they violated the Genocide Convention and the very latest that we can show you with regard to that, they claimed, you know, oh, we don't bomb any hospitals. That's part of what the claims that they made at the ICJ. Well, we have another hospital reportedly. Put this up on the screen, Al Nasar Hospital. This is in southern Gas. I believe in your conunis that multiple news organizations have reported is now under attack. You can see there were thousands of Palestinians who had been displaced, who were sheltering there. Not to mention that, you know, many of the hospitals across the Gaza Strip are now completely holy or partially incapacitated. So this is one of the few places that still remained and was treating patients to the best of their ability given the woeful inadequacy of medical supplies. So you see people fleeing now from that hospital, and you know, the toll here is unbelievable. You referenced Sager, there was a deal. We can put the D seven up on the screen here. There was some sort of a deal that was struck for additional medical aid. In particular, this was in Hamas in Qatar they say Hamas and Israeli forces have negotiate an agreement to bring aid to Gaza. The Katari Foreign Ministry said the deal arrangement cooperation with France. We'll see medicine and other humanitarian aid delivered to civilians in the most affected and vulnerable areas of Gaza. I think northern Gaza in particular, in exchange. This is why the Israelis agreed to it for the delivery of medication to Israeli captives held in Gaza. The ministry spokesperson said that the medication aid would leave Doha on Wednesday to each before being transported into Gaza.

Egypt was so pissed off that they're now submitting their own filings disputing that is really report to the ICJ to rebut those you know, scurrilous claims that were made, and you know so at the same time as you have all of this interest in the direction of forever war, Israel is really making themselves into a global paria to the extent that, of course they had charges filed against them at the ICJ claiming that they violated the Genocide Convention and the very latest that we can show you with regard to that, they claimed, you know, oh, we don't bomb any hospitals. That's part of what the claims that they made at the ICJ. Well, we have another hospital reportedly. Put this up on the screen, Al Nasar Hospital. This is in southern Gas. I believe in your conunis that multiple news organizations have reported is now under attack. You can see there were thousands of Palestinians who had been displaced, who were sheltering there. Not to mention that, you know, many of the hospitals across the Gaza Strip are now completely holy or partially incapacitated. So this is one of the few places that still remained and was treating patients to the best of their ability given the woeful inadequacy of medical supplies. So you see people fleeing now from that hospital, and you know, the toll here is unbelievable. You referenced Sager, there was a deal. We can put the D seven up on the screen here. There was some sort of a deal that was struck for additional medical aid. In particular, this was in Hamas in Qatar they say Hamas and Israeli forces have negotiate an agreement to bring aid to Gaza. The Katari Foreign Ministry said the deal arrangement cooperation with France. We'll see medicine and other humanitarian aid delivered to civilians in the most affected and vulnerable areas of Gaza. I think northern Gaza in particular, in exchange. This is why the Israelis agreed to it for the delivery of medication to Israeli captives held in Gaza. The ministry spokesperson said that the medication aid would leave Doha on Wednesday to each before being transported into Gaza.

This has actually sparked also a whole.

This has actually sparked also a whole.

Domestic dispute within Israel, because there was question over whether the Israelis were going to inspect this aid before it goes in or not. It seemed like the agreement said no and then Natanya who claimed yes. And in any case, there was a whole additional divide over this. But the fact that you need additional aid going in is kind of an admission that what has been going in has been wildly inadequate, to the extent that you know in the hostages who the Hamas has every interest in keeping alive and keeping well, we're not getting sufficient careag.

Domestic dispute within Israel, because there was question over whether the Israelis were going to inspect this aid before it goes in or not. It seemed like the agreement said no and then Natanya who claimed yes. And in any case, there was a whole additional divide over this. But the fact that you need additional aid going in is kind of an admission that what has been going in has been wildly inadequate, to the extent that you know in the hostages who the Hamas has every interest in keeping alive and keeping well, we're not getting sufficient careag.

Yeah, it's really interesting just to look at this whole thing, because you know, it's like things are moving in a bunch of different directions. You've got the hostage situation which remains completely unresolved, the humanitarian situation, the military one on top of that, and then Israeli domestic politics.

Yeah, it's really interesting just to look at this whole thing, because you know, it's like things are moving in a bunch of different directions. You've got the hostage situation which remains completely unresolved, the humanitarian situation, the military one on top of that, and then Israeli domestic politics.

So we have this we can put up there on the screen.

So we have this we can put up there on the screen.

The Israeli Labor Party actually issued a no confidence vote which kind of calls into question the current coalition which is governing Israel. That was a no confidence vote against nata Yah, who challenging his approach. Now this this would be like if the Labor Party in Britain during the you know, coalition wartime government of Winston Churchill had to no confidence vote against his leadership, which really called into the entire idea of like a bipartisan war and that. Now, let's be clear, it's not like the Labor Party is against the war per se, but they are very much against nata Yah who. I mean, in my opinion, wouldn't be a bad outcome for them to be a new Prime minister, just to give them some better legitimacy. In terms of their own popular and they need to have an election so they can decide what they want to do, because right now you're being ruled by the guy who was Basically all of this is his fault, and every incentive he has, as you laid out, is keep this thing going on as long as possible. Now, if these Raelies want war with Lebanon, okay, you know, go for it. You guys can sign up, hopefully you'll pay for it, and you can do all of it yourself. But you know, it's like you should have some sort of say and vote over that. I'm kind of shocked there isn't more of a pressure inside society. Maybe the hostage thing is just takes.

The Israeli Labor Party actually issued a no confidence vote which kind of calls into question the current coalition which is governing Israel. That was a no confidence vote against nata Yah, who challenging his approach. Now this this would be like if the Labor Party in Britain during the you know, coalition wartime government of Winston Churchill had to no confidence vote against his leadership, which really called into the entire idea of like a bipartisan war and that. Now, let's be clear, it's not like the Labor Party is against the war per se, but they are very much against nata Yah who. I mean, in my opinion, wouldn't be a bad outcome for them to be a new Prime minister, just to give them some better legitimacy. In terms of their own popular and they need to have an election so they can decide what they want to do, because right now you're being ruled by the guy who was Basically all of this is his fault, and every incentive he has, as you laid out, is keep this thing going on as long as possible. Now, if these Raelies want war with Lebanon, okay, you know, go for it. You guys can sign up, hopefully you'll pay for it, and you can do all of it yourself. But you know, it's like you should have some sort of say and vote over that. I'm kind of shocked there isn't more of a pressure inside society. Maybe the hostage thing is just takes.

I'm not there. You know, it's very difficult to figure out what the political sentiments.

I'm not there. You know, it's very difficult to figure out what the political sentiments.

So on the Labor Party no confidence vote, Let's be clear about how irrelevant the Labor Party is at this point in Israeli politics.

So on the Labor Party no confidence vote, Let's be clear about how irrelevant the Labor Party is at this point in Israeli politics.

They have four on of one hundred and twenty seats in the Kaddessa.

They have four on of one hundred and twenty seats in the Kaddessa.

What they have said about the reason that they are doing this is they tweeted, our daughters and sons have been held captive by Jamas for one hundred and three days, one hundred and three days, that the state of Israel's torn between Israel and Gaza and the government doesn't care at all, echoing some of the criticism from the hostages who were released and also the families of those who those hostages and those who still remain in Gaza. In another post, the party said they don't have time. We do not have time, and there's no trust in the government that does not do everything to return them. There is no trust in a government that does not put the kidnapped as a priority, a government that cares about its own corrupt interest and not those who give their lives for it. They ended by saying, this is a government that cannot be trusted. It should be overthrown. So listen. The Labor Party has become fairly irrelevant in Israeli politics, but the sentiment they're express here is extremely common in Israeli politics, and you can see this in the incredibly low ratings for Netanyahu in particular right now. I mean the last one we saw you had like a six percent approval rating. So he's been able to forestall any political consequences by saying, yes, I hear you, We're going to talk about it. After the war, and then he says, but by the way, the war's going to go on forever. So you know their theory, his and Yoav Galant and the rest apparently of the war cabinet's theory of the way to secure the hostage release is by continuing to bomb the hell out of the Gaza strip. That's the way to secure the hostage release. And even many of the hostages who came back, who were furious, who thought they were going to be killed, and some of whom, by the way, were killed by Israeli forces, they said, you have.

What they have said about the reason that they are doing this is they tweeted, our daughters and sons have been held captive by Jamas for one hundred and three days, one hundred and three days, that the state of Israel's torn between Israel and Gaza and the government doesn't care at all, echoing some of the criticism from the hostages who were released and also the families of those who those hostages and those who still remain in Gaza. In another post, the party said they don't have time. We do not have time, and there's no trust in the government that does not do everything to return them. There is no trust in a government that does not put the kidnapped as a priority, a government that cares about its own corrupt interest and not those who give their lives for it. They ended by saying, this is a government that cannot be trusted. It should be overthrown. So listen. The Labor Party has become fairly irrelevant in Israeli politics, but the sentiment they're express here is extremely common in Israeli politics, and you can see this in the incredibly low ratings for Netanyahu in particular right now. I mean the last one we saw you had like a six percent approval rating. So he's been able to forestall any political consequences by saying, yes, I hear you, We're going to talk about it. After the war, and then he says, but by the way, the war's going to go on forever. So you know their theory, his and Yoav Galant and the rest apparently of the war cabinet's theory of the way to secure the hostage release is by continuing to bomb the hell out of the Gaza strip. That's the way to secure the hostage release. And even many of the hostages who came back, who were furious, who thought they were going to be killed, and some of whom, by the way, were killed by Israeli forces, they said, you have.

No idea what you're doing here.

No idea what you're doing here.

The only time hostages were released was through a ceasefire deal, the polar opposite of the strategy that they claimed to be employing here.

The only time hostages were released was through a ceasefire deal, the polar opposite of the strategy that they claimed to be employing here.

So you know, their strive for obtaining the hostage getting.

So you know, their strive for obtaining the hostage getting.

The hostages back has clearly failed at this point. But of course they're not going to acknowledge that, because to acknowledge that which to acknowledge that there needs to be some sort of a diplomatic solution, and that would create some sort of an opportunity for reckoning on their own failed leadership.

The hostages back has clearly failed at this point. But of course they're not going to acknowledge that, because to acknowledge that which to acknowledge that there needs to be some sort of a diplomatic solution, and that would create some sort of an opportunity for reckoning on their own failed leadership.

And of course they don't want any of that.

And of course they don't want any of that.

The Houthis have, surprised surprise, continued to attack US ships and other commercial vessels in the Red Sea even after we struck, and actually we conducted additional strikes in Yemen, illegal strikes in Yemen against their facilities and their weapons capacity. Clearly hasn't slowed them down one bit. Let's put this up on the screen. The Huthi's hit a US ship. This was after the US took this additional step which I think the Houthis probably rightly see as like fairly meaningless as designating them as a terror organization. The Huthi group said they hit the Genco Paccardi Bolt carrier with missiles, which resulted in a direct hit. US military says the vessel was hit by a drone on Wednesday evening. Washington's new designation of the Houthis will require US financial institutions to freeze Hoothy funds and its members will be banned from the US. Put the next one up on the screen.

The Houthis have, surprised surprise, continued to attack US ships and other commercial vessels in the Red Sea even after we struck, and actually we conducted additional strikes in Yemen, illegal strikes in Yemen against their facilities and their weapons capacity. Clearly hasn't slowed them down one bit. Let's put this up on the screen. The Huthi's hit a US ship. This was after the US took this additional step which I think the Houthis probably rightly see as like fairly meaningless as designating them as a terror organization. The Huthi group said they hit the Genco Paccardi Bolt carrier with missiles, which resulted in a direct hit. US military says the vessel was hit by a drone on Wednesday evening. Washington's new designation of the Houthis will require US financial institutions to freeze Hoothy funds and its members will be banned from the US. Put the next one up on the screen.

This comes on the.

This comes on the.

Heels of a different Hoothy attack. They launched another attack on merchant shipping on Tuesday, just hours after the US preemptively struck missiles and Yemen that were prepared to launch, according to a statement from US sent Com. US Income, by the way, said there were no injuries reported from the merchant ship and Counterpoints covered this yesterday, But just to underscore how stupid and counterproductive this whole strategy has been, Shell has suspended red sea shipments amid fears of more hoothy attacks. We'll have to see whether this becomes a longer standing issue. That CEO told the Wall Street Journal in Davos, So, congratulations, you haven't slowed them down one bit. There was reporting, what was that The New York Times that said, you really haven't degraded their offensive capabilities really one bit, because they are very mobile, they're very agile, they're very used to be bomb to hell all the time. So you haven't degraded their capacity. You certainly haven't degraded the will of the many people who are overwhelming le back them, and all these commercial vessels are like, Okay, this is an active war zone. Now there's no way that we're shipping through the Red Sea. So commercial shipping has only gone in the opposite direction of what you wanted.

Heels of a different Hoothy attack. They launched another attack on merchant shipping on Tuesday, just hours after the US preemptively struck missiles and Yemen that were prepared to launch, according to a statement from US sent Com. US Income, by the way, said there were no injuries reported from the merchant ship and Counterpoints covered this yesterday, But just to underscore how stupid and counterproductive this whole strategy has been, Shell has suspended red sea shipments amid fears of more hoothy attacks. We'll have to see whether this becomes a longer standing issue. That CEO told the Wall Street Journal in Davos, So, congratulations, you haven't slowed them down one bit. There was reporting, what was that The New York Times that said, you really haven't degraded their offensive capabilities really one bit, because they are very mobile, they're very agile, they're very used to be bomb to hell all the time. So you haven't degraded their capacity. You certainly haven't degraded the will of the many people who are overwhelming le back them, and all these commercial vessels are like, Okay, this is an active war zone. Now there's no way that we're shipping through the Red Sea. So commercial shipping has only gone in the opposite direction of what you wanted.

Yeah, it's actually pretty terrifying to just realize how delicate, you know, we talked about Taiwan and all this with how delicate and asymmetric you can have an impact on the global economy with some of these choke points. And actually it's more surprising that it hasn't happened up until now, and it's probably a function of just technology, which is, these Hoothis are spending forty grand on a drone and we have to spend one hundred million dollars to destroy maybe fifteen percent of their offensive capability. Even you know, if you just read the Scentcom statement out this morning about the fourteen new strikes, they say that they destroyed fourteen missiles and their launchers. Is who Thi's were preparing to fire them? Two US officials said that the strikes were carried out with Tamahawk cruise miss I mean, these are four hundred grand a pop every time we fire one of these, fired by navy vessels. Local news outlets and Yemen said that they had struck who the controlled territory.

Yeah, it's actually pretty terrifying to just realize how delicate, you know, we talked about Taiwan and all this with how delicate and asymmetric you can have an impact on the global economy with some of these choke points. And actually it's more surprising that it hasn't happened up until now, and it's probably a function of just technology, which is, these Hoothis are spending forty grand on a drone and we have to spend one hundred million dollars to destroy maybe fifteen percent of their offensive capability. Even you know, if you just read the Scentcom statement out this morning about the fourteen new strikes, they say that they destroyed fourteen missiles and their launchers. Is who Thi's were preparing to fire them? Two US officials said that the strikes were carried out with Tamahawk cruise miss I mean, these are four hundred grand a pop every time we fire one of these, fired by navy vessels. Local news outlets and Yemen said that they had struck who the controlled territory.

They're still doing battle damage assessment.

They're still doing battle damage assessment.

What's the coalition doing here, Foger? What are they doing for us?

What's the coalition doing here, Foger? What are they doing for us?

Yeah, that's a great point.

Yeah, that's a great point.

Interesting, every US coalition ends up just being US dropping the bombs.

Interesting, every US coalition ends up just being US dropping the bombs.

Yeah, it's kind of great and paying for it.

Yeah, it's kind of great and paying for it.

By the way, occasionally the UK we'll do some little something.

By the way, occasionally the UK we'll do some little something.

But we sell them the weapon, so it's not even real so because it's like if you use our bomb to bomb somebody, then whatever.

But we sell them the weapon, so it's not even real so because it's like if you use our bomb to bomb somebody, then whatever.

That's a whole other conversation.

That's a whole other conversation.

Let's put up the final part here because it just demonstrates about the precarity of this, and this is kind of the function of this segment in looking at the Israel situation. The Chief of Staff of the IDF currently says that the likelihood of war in the North is higher than before made the remarks during actually visit to reserve forces in the North on Wednesday, a mere growing fears of a war with Hesbolah. You as pointed out this crystal gallant. The Defense Minister also apparently said something very similar. We saw some remarks that came out from Ben Givie, the right wing politician inside of Israel. They really really want you know, they want war with Israel, or so they want war with Hesbola. It's clear the military wants it, the defense establishment wants it. Netanyahu definitely wants it. The only people who don't want it is America. Now it's relatively unclear whether Hesbola wants it or not. They've been pretty you know, as they've stayed out of it. They've had some tit for tat strikes, They've taken some casualties. These Raelies have taken some casualties. Both seem to realize how devastating and horrible the conflict would be. But it is clear to me that this is kind of like in Afghanistan Iraq situation. Even when we were at war in Afghanistan, our defense establishment and top leaders, army and others, they really wanted to invade Iraq. It took two years to build the political case and all that. Obviously we're on an accelerated timeline and all this. But if the political will is there at the top of the government, if they want to do this, then we should take it really, really seriously. There's only really one check that could have happened in the US, which would have been like genuine small d democratic you know, revolt. I don't know how the Israeli public feels about something like this. I will give them credit for at least this because they have mandatory they have mandatory enlistment. They are not stupid. They all watched two thousand and six. It wasn't that long ago. Their sons and daughters had to fight with Hesbola. So they could have some you know, at least input or try to campaign or something like against us, because they know too there's there are a country that reads a lot of the news. They would know that thousands and thousands of them would die in a conflict like this, not to mention a.

Let's put up the final part here because it just demonstrates about the precarity of this, and this is kind of the function of this segment in looking at the Israel situation. The Chief of Staff of the IDF currently says that the likelihood of war in the North is higher than before made the remarks during actually visit to reserve forces in the North on Wednesday, a mere growing fears of a war with Hesbolah. You as pointed out this crystal gallant. The Defense Minister also apparently said something very similar. We saw some remarks that came out from Ben Givie, the right wing politician inside of Israel. They really really want you know, they want war with Israel, or so they want war with Hesbola. It's clear the military wants it, the defense establishment wants it. Netanyahu definitely wants it. The only people who don't want it is America. Now it's relatively unclear whether Hesbola wants it or not. They've been pretty you know, as they've stayed out of it. They've had some tit for tat strikes, They've taken some casualties. These Raelies have taken some casualties. Both seem to realize how devastating and horrible the conflict would be. But it is clear to me that this is kind of like in Afghanistan Iraq situation. Even when we were at war in Afghanistan, our defense establishment and top leaders, army and others, they really wanted to invade Iraq. It took two years to build the political case and all that. Obviously we're on an accelerated timeline and all this. But if the political will is there at the top of the government, if they want to do this, then we should take it really, really seriously. There's only really one check that could have happened in the US, which would have been like genuine small d democratic you know, revolt. I don't know how the Israeli public feels about something like this. I will give them credit for at least this because they have mandatory they have mandatory enlistment. They are not stupid. They all watched two thousand and six. It wasn't that long ago. Their sons and daughters had to fight with Hesbola. So they could have some you know, at least input or try to campaign or something like against us, because they know too there's there are a country that reads a lot of the news. They would know that thousands and thousands of them would die in a conflict like this, not to mention a.

Lot more civilians.

Lot more civilians.

Israeli civilians would die in this than probably any October seventh because of the sheer capability of Hesbola from missiles and all that. On the other side, maybe they think of it as like a last stand. They're like, listen, you know, October seventh was our nine to eleven. Now we have to do something, you know, just to make we have to make sure that this never happens again. And you can use the extension from Hamas to Hesbola. I could see the Israeli public signing up for that and be like, sure, you know, we're going to risk tens of thousands, but they'll ensure our security in the future. I could see it going both ways. But I mean it's pretty terrifying because from a reserve perspective and military perspective. Their Israel's not doing very well right now. They had to pull a lot of their troops out of Gaza, a lot.

Israeli civilians would die in this than probably any October seventh because of the sheer capability of Hesbola from missiles and all that. On the other side, maybe they think of it as like a last stand. They're like, listen, you know, October seventh was our nine to eleven. Now we have to do something, you know, just to make we have to make sure that this never happens again. And you can use the extension from Hamas to Hesbola. I could see the Israeli public signing up for that and be like, sure, you know, we're going to risk tens of thousands, but they'll ensure our security in the future. I could see it going both ways. But I mean it's pretty terrifying because from a reserve perspective and military perspective. Their Israel's not doing very well right now. They had to pull a lot of their troops out of Gaza, a lot.

Of their reserves. They're sending them back to the economy.

Of their reserves. They're sending them back to the economy.

If you get into war with Hesbol, you're going to call every single one of those guys not just back up, but they're in forever. They're in for a long time, for a long haul. This is not Hamas you know, a couple of month deployment. We're talking fifteen twenty months or something like that.

If you get into war with Hesbol, you're going to call every single one of those guys not just back up, but they're in forever. They're in for a long time, for a long haul. This is not Hamas you know, a couple of month deployment. We're talking fifteen twenty months or something like that.

The US really in a sense went mad after nine to eleven, and that was that was exploited right by you know, neocons who had a long standing agenda that they wanted to pursue, and it took them a very little small amount of time to push for a war in a rock that made absolutely no sense, in a you know, indefinite war in Afghanistan that you know, initially, okay, go in and get in Latin, that part made sense. But then whatever the hell we were doing after that, even the people who were in military leadership couldn't explain what we were doing, what the goals were, what counted as success, et cetera. So we went mad after nine to eleven. I think the Israeli public has gone mad after October seventh, and I think net, Yahoo and co. Are using that in a very similar way that the neocons use it to further their own ends and agenda, to further their own ends and agenda. You know, the real response to what happened on October seventh was, listen, this idea that you can imprison people forever, that you can definitely thwart their like basic rights to self determination, control what's happening in their own territory, that you can have you know, this massive security established and all this high tech and that that's going to keep you safe. You're going to be able to quote unquote control the flames. Well after the horror and humiliation of October seventh, that fell apart. So the real response is, Okay, there is no military solution to this. There is no occupying force solution to this. The only actual solution to this is a diplomatic one. But of course no one wants to hear that when they're in the midst of rage and fury and disgust and horror and pain and loss and suffering and all of that. So instead the direction is not in the favor in favor of diplomacy. The direction is in favor of We're going to do war even harder. We're going to crush from Moss and by the way, those of you in northern Israel, we're going to crush Hasblatwo, so you don't have to worry about them either. That was our mistake, is that we didn't crush them and their ambitions and their spirit hard enough that we weren't big enough assholes in the region to deter everyone from you know, ever messing with us. So we have to launch this insanely brutal and I certainly would say in the ic J South Africa case would agree genocidal assault on the Gaza Strip. That's what we have to do to make sure no one messes with us ever again. And that's the logic that has taken hold with at least it appears based on the polling a majority of the Israeli public. And that's why these politicians think it's in their cynical best interests to continue the war going indefinitely and you know, bring home as many horror, horrible military prizes as they possibly.

The US really in a sense went mad after nine to eleven, and that was that was exploited right by you know, neocons who had a long standing agenda that they wanted to pursue, and it took them a very little small amount of time to push for a war in a rock that made absolutely no sense, in a you know, indefinite war in Afghanistan that you know, initially, okay, go in and get in Latin, that part made sense. But then whatever the hell we were doing after that, even the people who were in military leadership couldn't explain what we were doing, what the goals were, what counted as success, et cetera. So we went mad after nine to eleven. I think the Israeli public has gone mad after October seventh, and I think net, Yahoo and co. Are using that in a very similar way that the neocons use it to further their own ends and agenda, to further their own ends and agenda. You know, the real response to what happened on October seventh was, listen, this idea that you can imprison people forever, that you can definitely thwart their like basic rights to self determination, control what's happening in their own territory, that you can have you know, this massive security established and all this high tech and that that's going to keep you safe. You're going to be able to quote unquote control the flames. Well after the horror and humiliation of October seventh, that fell apart. So the real response is, Okay, there is no military solution to this. There is no occupying force solution to this. The only actual solution to this is a diplomatic one. But of course no one wants to hear that when they're in the midst of rage and fury and disgust and horror and pain and loss and suffering and all of that. So instead the direction is not in the favor in favor of diplomacy. The direction is in favor of We're going to do war even harder. We're going to crush from Moss and by the way, those of you in northern Israel, we're going to crush Hasblatwo, so you don't have to worry about them either. That was our mistake, is that we didn't crush them and their ambitions and their spirit hard enough that we weren't big enough assholes in the region to deter everyone from you know, ever messing with us. So we have to launch this insanely brutal and I certainly would say in the ic J South Africa case would agree genocidal assault on the Gaza Strip. That's what we have to do to make sure no one messes with us ever again. And that's the logic that has taken hold with at least it appears based on the polling a majority of the Israeli public. And that's why these politicians think it's in their cynical best interests to continue the war going indefinitely and you know, bring home as many horror, horrible military prizes as they possibly.

Can it's a big question.

Can it's a big question.

I mean, we just don't know, right, because it's like the US public went along with it until they didn't go along with it, So it's two do it took four years?

I mean, we just don't know, right, because it's like the US public went along with it until they didn't go along with it, So it's two do it took four years?

Yeah, a lot of people died in the interim.

Yeah, a lot of people died in the interim.

I'm not saying it was a good thing, but it's not like you know, it was actually kind of rapid sometimes if you think about it. By four five or so, people were at least beginning to have the conversation we wanted to spare them.

I'm not saying it was a good thing, but it's not like you know, it was actually kind of rapid sometimes if you think about it. By four five or so, people were at least beginning to have the conversation we wanted to spare them.

Yeah, everybody told we elected George W.

Yeah, everybody told we elected George W.

Bush.

Bush.

Biden literally went over there and he's like, you really should not make the same mistakes as nine to eleven.

Biden literally went over there and he's like, you really should not make the same mistakes as nine to eleven.

And they didn't want to listen. So this is their problem.

And they didn't want to listen. So this is their problem.

Unfortunately, you know, to the extent that we cover a lot of this conflict, it's also about it's our problem because we're the ones bombing the.

Unfortunately, you know, to the extent that we cover a lot of this conflict, it's also about it's our problem because we're the ones bombing the.

Who these not the Israelis.

Who these not the Israelis.

Where are the ones who are bearing the vast majority of the cost, not the Israelis?

Where are the ones who are bearing the vast majority of the cost, not the Israelis?

And so they have had it.

And so they have had it.

They have always had this tremendous ability to outsource the vast majority of their problems, but then they get to keep all of the benefits to their overall security very you know, very very unbalanced relationship, and they very much risk I think balancing it definitely in the wrong way in the long term, not necessarily in the short when you can see so much of the domestic political situation shifting here.

They have always had this tremendous ability to outsource the vast majority of their problems, but then they get to keep all of the benefits to their overall security very you know, very very unbalanced relationship, and they very much risk I think balancing it definitely in the wrong way in the long term, not necessarily in the short when you can see so much of the domestic political situation shifting here.

But why don't we get to our guests great guest.

But why don't we get to our guests great guest.

Yeah, we have a great guest standing by to talk about some of the other sick incentives that constantly pushed us all towards more war and more conflict.

Yeah, we have a great guest standing by to talk about some of the other sick incentives that constantly pushed us all towards more war and more conflict.

Let's get to it.

Let's get to it.

Our next guest has been shining a light on a really undercovered part of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip. Anthony Lowenstein is an independent journalist and author of The Palestine Laboratory who was based in East Jerusalem between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, and he joins us now, great to see you, Anthony, Welcome.

Our next guest has been shining a light on a really undercovered part of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip. Anthony Lowenstein is an independent journalist and author of The Palestine Laboratory who was based in East Jerusalem between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, and he joins us now, great to see you, Anthony, Welcome.

Man, Thanks for having me. Thank you.

Man, Thanks for having me. Thank you.

Tell us a little bit about the book and how it relates to what we're seeing right now.

Tell us a little bit about the book and how it relates to what we're seeing right now.

The book essentially is a multi year investigation looking at how Israel's occupation of Palestine's a long best in modern times, and over those decadeses more than half a century, Israel's developed huge amounts of tools and technologies to maintain that occupation. So in the modern act, you're talking about drones, spy where, biometric tools, all these different methods that Israel used to control Palestinians twenty four to seven. That's bad enough, but what Israel's been doing for decades, pretty much since the nineteen fifties, so very soon after Israel's birth, is promoting and selling and marketing those tools and technologies as so called battle tested in Palestine on Palestinians, to the world. And essentially what that means practically is that I calculated at least one hundred and forty countries, so the majority countries on the planet have brought some form of this technology in the last decades. How that relates to what's happening now since October seven, is really clear is that Israel has been live testing, both the government and private companies live testing new weapons in Gaza. And that's not just for a domestic Israeli audience who obviously are mostly supporting the war, but for a global market that in months and years to come a likely want to buy those tools and technologies in their own wars.

The book essentially is a multi year investigation looking at how Israel's occupation of Palestine's a long best in modern times, and over those decadeses more than half a century, Israel's developed huge amounts of tools and technologies to maintain that occupation. So in the modern act, you're talking about drones, spy where, biometric tools, all these different methods that Israel used to control Palestinians twenty four to seven. That's bad enough, but what Israel's been doing for decades, pretty much since the nineteen fifties, so very soon after Israel's birth, is promoting and selling and marketing those tools and technologies as so called battle tested in Palestine on Palestinians, to the world. And essentially what that means practically is that I calculated at least one hundred and forty countries, so the majority countries on the planet have brought some form of this technology in the last decades. How that relates to what's happening now since October seven, is really clear is that Israel has been live testing, both the government and private companies live testing new weapons in Gaza. And that's not just for a domestic Israeli audience who obviously are mostly supporting the war, but for a global market that in months and years to come a likely want to buy those tools and technologies in their own wars.

Yeah, Anthony, I remember that Israeli drones made a big appearance in Azerbaijan, and I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about that, because I know that those drones were kind of the forefront of the technology and they've made a couple of appearances in being sold into that and they actually made quite a bit of a difference.

Yeah, Anthony, I remember that Israeli drones made a big appearance in Azerbaijan, and I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about that, because I know that those drones were kind of the forefront of the technology and they've made a couple of appearances in being sold into that and they actually made quite a bit of a difference.

If you could tell us about that.

If you could tell us about that.

Yeah, well, those drones were suicide drones mostly in Israel is a really key provider and developer of those tools. Now that's obviously a conflict that, as you say, hasn't got a lot of international attention, but should because Israel's pretty much on arguably the wrong side.

Yeah, well, those drones were suicide drones mostly in Israel is a really key provider and developer of those tools. Now that's obviously a conflict that, as you say, hasn't got a lot of international attention, but should because Israel's pretty much on arguably the wrong side.

They're the very repressive side.

They're the very repressive side.

And one of the things I think that shows in that as a Baioijan conflict is that and this is not, on one level, massively different to say the US. The US is the world's biggest arms dealer, sells about forty forty five percent of the world's weapons.

And one of the things I think that shows in that as a Baioijan conflict is that and this is not, on one level, massively different to say the US. The US is the world's biggest arms dealer, sells about forty forty five percent of the world's weapons.

Israel's tenth.

Israel's tenth.

And there's not really any moral qualms to sell to anybody, literally anybody, I mean at the moment as far as where Israel does not sell to sirious South Korea or Iran, but the majority of other nations in.

And there's not really any moral qualms to sell to anybody, literally anybody, I mean at the moment as far as where Israel does not sell to sirious South Korea or Iran, but the majority of other nations in.

The world they will.

The world they will.

And the reason so many other nations want these tools is because they're tested in Palestine on Palestinians like literally. To the point I show this in the book and it's appeared in other shows that I've talked about on film, is that Israel routinely will document these testing in Palestine.

And the reason so many other nations want these tools is because they're tested in Palestine on Palestinians like literally. To the point I show this in the book and it's appeared in other shows that I've talked about on film, is that Israel routinely will document these testing in Palestine.

And they show those videos to clients.

And they show those videos to clients.

So in the last years, some of the most notorious examples obviously these Pegasus, the phone hacking tool that has been appearing in countless countries from India to Bangladesh to others, and those tools were originally tested in Palestine and then in fact they're still being used in Palestine and other countries around the world. So the Jezerbaijan conflict was one, and there are so many others that I think don't get enough attention, but they should.

So in the last years, some of the most notorious examples obviously these Pegasus, the phone hacking tool that has been appearing in countless countries from India to Bangladesh to others, and those tools were originally tested in Palestine and then in fact they're still being used in Palestine and other countries around the world. So the Jezerbaijan conflict was one, and there are so many others that I think don't get enough attention, but they should.

Haraz took a look at related topic here. Let's put this up on the screen. The headline here is shark tanks with Gaza as testing ground israelly. Defense startups flourish, suicide drones and AI systems. Strict regulations and the dominance of the major defense firms. I mean few small and startups are found in Israel each year. They are looking at new opportunities amid geopolitical tensions, rising military budgets and the Gaza war. Can you just talk to us about how the profit motive incentivizes war and conflict.

Haraz took a look at related topic here. Let's put this up on the screen. The headline here is shark tanks with Gaza as testing ground israelly. Defense startups flourish, suicide drones and AI systems. Strict regulations and the dominance of the major defense firms. I mean few small and startups are found in Israel each year. They are looking at new opportunities amid geopolitical tensions, rising military budgets and the Gaza war. Can you just talk to us about how the profit motive incentivizes war and conflict.

Well, it's key, isn't it.

Well, it's key, isn't it.

Because the global arms trade is now over two trillion dollars, not just in Israel but globally. And of course, after Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February a couple of years ago, huge amounts of European nations were begging the US and Israel for new missile the finance shields, another kind of equipment which they claim would protect them against potential attack by Russia if that ever happened. What Israel I think is doing in that article Equote is interesting, which also mirrors what I'm hearing from my sources, is that a lot of Americans, Silicon Valley venture capital companies and others are looking to Israel since October seven, And it started before then, of course, but particularly since October seven, and they see opportunity. They see the huge amounts of possibilities of not just weapons, but also economic opportunities investing, and a lot of those companies are live testing the weapons in Gaza to the point where they're often putting that on social media live, which is then promoted and sold to other nations across the globe. So the arms industry is booming. And it's interesting the latest figures we have from Israel's twenty twenty two it was twelve and a half billion US, which is the biggest by far. Twenty four percent of that were Arab Autocracy is the so called abraham acause that Trump began and Biden has continued. And so these are nations like Saudi and UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and others. They're buying all this surveillance equipment because they're petrified at the next Arab spring basically, and Israel is the key provider of that.

Because the global arms trade is now over two trillion dollars, not just in Israel but globally. And of course, after Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February a couple of years ago, huge amounts of European nations were begging the US and Israel for new missile the finance shields, another kind of equipment which they claim would protect them against potential attack by Russia if that ever happened. What Israel I think is doing in that article Equote is interesting, which also mirrors what I'm hearing from my sources, is that a lot of Americans, Silicon Valley venture capital companies and others are looking to Israel since October seven, And it started before then, of course, but particularly since October seven, and they see opportunity. They see the huge amounts of possibilities of not just weapons, but also economic opportunities investing, and a lot of those companies are live testing the weapons in Gaza to the point where they're often putting that on social media live, which is then promoted and sold to other nations across the globe. So the arms industry is booming. And it's interesting the latest figures we have from Israel's twenty twenty two it was twelve and a half billion US, which is the biggest by far. Twenty four percent of that were Arab Autocracy is the so called abraham acause that Trump began and Biden has continued. And so these are nations like Saudi and UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and others. They're buying all this surveillance equipment because they're petrified at the next Arab spring basically, and Israel is the key provider of that.

So that's I think a.

So that's I think a.

Context that people often don't remember that Israel to me, and I say this to someone who's Jewish myself, is that Israel in some ways is exporting the occupation globally.

Context that people often don't remember that Israel to me, and I say this to someone who's Jewish myself, is that Israel in some ways is exporting the occupation globally.

What's happening in Palestine is not staying there.

What's happening in Palestine is not staying there.

Yeah, Anthony, give us some more examples of some of the things that you've seen just from resources and others in this current war, Traditionally they've relied, you know, currently on nothing particularly new, at least for now. We've seen like two thousand pound bombs. We've seen some infantry, but we've also, as you said, we've had suicide drones and those have also proliferated, been copied the hoo. Theies have been using them in some cases. So what is the current conflict? What are some of the technologies and others that you see that we're going to be seeing in other conflicts sometime soon.

Yeah, Anthony, give us some more examples of some of the things that you've seen just from resources and others in this current war, Traditionally they've relied, you know, currently on nothing particularly new, at least for now. We've seen like two thousand pound bombs. We've seen some infantry, but we've also, as you said, we've had suicide drones and those have also proliferated, been copied the hoo. Theies have been using them in some cases. So what is the current conflict? What are some of the technologies and others that you see that we're going to be seeing in other conflicts sometime soon.

Some of it's surveillance tech.

Some of it's surveillance tech.

So after October seven, when Hamas took in large numbers of hostages, around two hundred and forty, there was a lot of those surveillance the Israeli companies that we used by the government to try to find those people in Gaza. Now arguably not very successfully. Of course, they are still now around one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty stuck in Gaza, and the intelligence is actually being provided to is Rael to find that. Now it's not just coming from Israel sexually, also coming from other sources of the US, particularly in effectual so Australia. So one of the advances that Israel is testing, yes, surveillance equipment also particularly sophisticated surveillance drones, suicide drones, and also I think the idea of moster sort of nightgoggles, but very sophisticate nightgoggles, because what Israel is facing in Gaza is a deeply problematic enemy from their perspective, where Israel is gone into Gaza all guns blazing, and they're actually having a problem because four months in hermast is still standing. Bloody to be sure, but it's still standing and arguably is never going to be fully defeated. So I think we're talking about surveillance tech, drones and various other forms like that, which is a set of being tested in real time, which will then we'll see in other conflicts around the world in the coming months and years.

So after October seven, when Hamas took in large numbers of hostages, around two hundred and forty, there was a lot of those surveillance the Israeli companies that we used by the government to try to find those people in Gaza. Now arguably not very successfully. Of course, they are still now around one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty stuck in Gaza, and the intelligence is actually being provided to is Rael to find that. Now it's not just coming from Israel sexually, also coming from other sources of the US, particularly in effectual so Australia. So one of the advances that Israel is testing, yes, surveillance equipment also particularly sophisticated surveillance drones, suicide drones, and also I think the idea of moster sort of nightgoggles, but very sophisticate nightgoggles, because what Israel is facing in Gaza is a deeply problematic enemy from their perspective, where Israel is gone into Gaza all guns blazing, and they're actually having a problem because four months in hermast is still standing. Bloody to be sure, but it's still standing and arguably is never going to be fully defeated. So I think we're talking about surveillance tech, drones and various other forms like that, which is a set of being tested in real time, which will then we'll see in other conflicts around the world in the coming months and years.

To that point, has there been any loss of confidence in this high tach because one of the things that we saw in October seventh is the first thing that Hamas did as they took these very low tech basically like off the shelf drone and disabled a lot of this incredibly expensive high tech equipment that the Israelis had. They took a bulldozer and took down the you know, multimillion dollar border wall, and as you pointed out, you know, for all of the high tech surveillance equipment that the Israelis have, they clearly haven't been able to locate or certainly effectively extract their own hostages, to the point that they actually killed three of their own hostages because they thought that they were Palestinians. So there has there been any reassessment or even any sort of leveling of the playing field in this era of gorilla warfare between the incredible high tech that the US and Israel and a lot of other modern countries rely on, and what these sort of you know, ragtag gorilla army type insurgencies are able to cobble together.

To that point, has there been any loss of confidence in this high tach because one of the things that we saw in October seventh is the first thing that Hamas did as they took these very low tech basically like off the shelf drone and disabled a lot of this incredibly expensive high tech equipment that the Israelis had. They took a bulldozer and took down the you know, multimillion dollar border wall, and as you pointed out, you know, for all of the high tech surveillance equipment that the Israelis have, they clearly haven't been able to locate or certainly effectively extract their own hostages, to the point that they actually killed three of their own hostages because they thought that they were Palestinians. So there has there been any reassessment or even any sort of leveling of the playing field in this era of gorilla warfare between the incredible high tech that the US and Israel and a lot of other modern countries rely on, and what these sort of you know, ragtag gorilla army type insurgencies are able to cobble together.

Amongst the Israeli public.

Amongst the Israeli public.

The answer is undeniably yes, I mean Israeli public, and I'm generalizing here, of course, there are always exceptions.

The answer is undeniably yes, I mean Israeli public, and I'm generalizing here, of course, there are always exceptions.

Have spent years and years and years with.

Have spent years and years and years with.

The deluded belief that you can occupy people in definitely in the West Bank and Gaza and get so called security. Now, obviously October seven shattered that so many of Israeli Jews in Israel do not feel safe anymore. If you ask me about how the Israeli defense sector and military feel their response has been hubris. So on the one hand, they are trying to make up for what they clearly failed miserably on on October seven, and that's just overwhelming force, massive amounts of war crimes and completely insane amounts of violence against Loactis Garzans in people themselves, but also infrastructure and Garza's way of life. But I think what I'm seeing actually is hubris in the Israeli defense sector. They very much seed akin to nine to eleven in the US. Nine to eleven was obviously a massive intelligence failure in America, but that in fact bolstered America's defense sector massively wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and et cetera. You're going to see a very similar situation in Israel, where, yes, October seven was a catastrophic failure, clearly, but there's no indication that I've seen thus at all that those defense companies which failed miserably holding themselves account or they're actually being held account by these relevant government you get at all.