The question on every working person’s mind: how do I reinvent myself to stay relevant in this fast changing world? Surprisingly, one of the most erudite thought leaders on this subject says he personally hates change! - but it’s better than the alternative.
In fact when it comes to navigating the business world and the impacts of technology, no one has navigated a more balanced view about how to embrace it while keeping a soul than Rishad Tobaccowala. Bringing the best of his writings into this conversation, Rishad shares with Marisa and Steven wisdom for brands, and careers. A couple of our favorite nuggets:
- the future is NOT all about data, it’s (still) about storytelling
- trade thinking about your “tech stack” for thinking about your “customer experience stack”
- don’t compete with AI, complement it
For so much more, including Rishad’s take on the 6 skills that the future of work will need most, tune in now!

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