This is a tale of two sisters, Karen and Debra.

Karen is loving, responsible, and well-liked by all who know her. She lived with and cared for her parents until they lost their battles with Alzheimer's and cancer. Karen also took care of her finances and was financially well-off for retirement.

Debra was gone for decades, living several states away in Louisiana. She never held a steady job and never had any money.

When their parents died, Debra moved back to Florida, with no money and no place to stay, and Karen let her sister move into her home.

Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dig into the story of how the evil sister murdered the good sister with a bullet to the chest, wrapped her body in a trash bag, and buried her in a hole in the backyard.

Transcribe Highlights

00:00.15 Introduction 

02:10.97 Victim loves working in her yard

05:06.55 Two sisters, Karen and Debra

08:25.53 Debra comes back after parents die

12:14.34 Perp keeping victim close after death

16:55.11 Seeing a hole in the yard

20:57.88 Odor of decomposing body

25:33.91 Bad smell doesn't mean something is there

29:48.57 Very careful digging to not miss anything

35:07.70 Everything goes to the lab

40:27.15 Karen has one GSW to the chest

44:43.54 Debra claims she is "blameless"

45:28.45 Conclusion

This is a tale of two sisters, Karen and Debra.
Karen is loving, responsible, and well-liked by all who know her. She lived with and cared for her parents until they lost their battles with Alzheimer's and cancer. Karen also took care of her finances and was financially well-off for retirement.
Debra was gone for decades, living several states away in Louisiana. She never held a steady job and never had any money.
When their parents died, Debra moved back to Florida, with no money and no place to stay, and Karen let her sister move into her home.
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dig into the story of how the evil sister murdered the good sister with a bullet to the chest, wrapped her body in a trash bag, and buried her in a hole in the backyard.
Transcribe Highlights
00:00.15 Introduction&nbsp;
02:10.97 Victim loves working in her yard
05:06.55 Two sisters, Karen and Debra
08:25.53 Debra comes back after parents die
12:14.34 Perp keeping victim close after death
16:55.11 Seeing a hole in the yard
20:57.88 Odor of decomposing body
25:33.91 Bad smell doesn't mean something is there
29:48.57 Very careful digging to not miss anything
35:07.70 Everything goes to the lab
40:27.15 Karen has one GSW to the chest
44:43.54 Debra claims she is "blameless"
45:28.45 Conclusion

Join Joseph Scott Morgan every week as he explores a world that not many have had a chance to visit, the realm of death. Jo Scott will lead listeners on a journey through the blood soaked death scenes of America and then into the autopsy room to fully understand the science behind each case. Jo Scott is one America’s leading experts on applied forensics and is regularly featured on ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace’, ‘The Piketon Massacre’, Court TV and more.

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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

Join Joseph Scott Morgan every week as he explores a world that not many have had a chance to visit, the realm of death. Jo Scott will lead listeners on a journey through the blood soaked death scenes of America and then into the autopsy room to fully understand the science behind each case. Jo Scott is one America’s leading experts on applied forensics and is regularly featured on ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace’, ‘The Piketon Massacre’, Court TV and more.

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'Evil' Sister Kills 'Good' Sister, Puts Body In Hole in Backyard: No Good Deed Goes Unpunished

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Part 2: The Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case has sparked national interest as the days continue to add up. As of today, Nancy Guthrie has been missing 25 days. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack look at the forensic evidence left behind inside the house as well as articles of evidence found by local citizens trying to help find the 84-year-old mother of Today Show Co-Host, Savannah Guthrie. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Transcribe Highlights
00:00.07 Introduction Guthrie Part 2

02:22.10 DNA Profile didn't get hit in CODIS

07:43.42 DNA Profile in feces in a dry toilet

11:31.21 Getting a sample

15:53.69 What is "touch" DNA

20:07.83 Trying to understand movements of suspect and victim

24:58.58 Too many people involved

30:46.46 Tucson Couple finds bloody glove near scene

35:18.30 FBI did not respond as quickly as hoped

40:08.54 Reason agents leak talent contract terms

41:19.73 Conclusion

 

Part 2: The Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case has sparked national interest as the days continue to add up. As of today, Nancy Guthrie has been missing 25 days. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack look at the forensic evidence left behind inside the house as well as articles of evidence found by local citizens trying to help find the 84-year-old mother of Today Show Co-Host, Savannah Guthrie.&nbsp;
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Transcribe Highlights 00:00.07 Introduction Guthrie Part 2
02:22.10 DNA Profile didn't get hit in CODIS
07:43.42 DNA Profile in feces in a dry toilet
11:31.21 Getting a sample
15:53.69 What is "touch" DNA
20:07.83 Trying to understand movements of suspect and victim
24:58.58 Too many people involved
30:46.46 Tucson Couple finds bloody glove near scene
35:18.30 FBI did not respond as quickly as hoped
40:08.54 Reason agents leak talent contract terms
41:19.73 Conclusion
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Forensic Evidence and $1.2 MILLION REWARD! Where Is Nancy Guthrie?

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The 84-year-old mother of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, was last seen January 31, 2026 around 9:47pm. The next day around noon, Nancy Guthrie is reported missing. More than three weeks later she is still missing. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the forensic evidence left behind and how it has been treated by officials on the ground in an attempt to uncover the one piece of evidence that will bring Nancy Guthrie home.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Transcribe Highlights

00:02.33 Introduction - Security

01:07.26 Securing a Crime Scene

03:59.01 Nancy Guthrie - Why her?

08:44.60 Sheriff's department turned scene released back to the family

13:57.53 Comparing Heuermann home

19:46.55 Blood on the ground

25:08.12 Direction blood takes investigator

29:53.66 Blood with a bubble like appearance

35:02.04 2:28am at least 20 feet away from Apple watch

40:18.20 Foot step making impression on floor

45:30.29 How often is Guthrie home cleaned?

47:41.59 Conclusion Part One

The 84-year-old mother of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, was last seen January 31, 2026 around 9:47pm. The next day around noon, Nancy Guthrie is reported missing. More than three weeks later she is still missing. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the forensic evidence left behind and how it has been treated by officials on the ground in an attempt to uncover the one piece of evidence that will bring Nancy Guthrie home.
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Transcribe Highlights
00:02.33 Introduction - Security
01:07.26 Securing a Crime Scene
03:59.01 Nancy Guthrie - Why her?
08:44.60 Sheriff's department turned scene released back to the family
13:57.53 Comparing Heuermann home
19:46.55 Blood on the ground
25:08.12 Direction blood takes investigator
29:53.66 Blood with a bubble like appearance
35:02.04 2:28am at least 20 feet away from Apple watch
40:18.20 Foot step making impression on floor
45:30.29 How often is Guthrie home cleaned?
47:41.59 Conclusion Part One

Nancy Guthrie, 84, MISSING! Evidence Found in Home Could Bring Her Home!

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The Elmira Police Department named Alfred Raymond Murray Jr. as the lone suspect in the 1964 murder of 12-year-old Mary Simpson.

The case remained unsolved for 62 years, but it was never forgotten. After getting a grant from the Season of Justice in 2022, Elmira police, with the assistance of the FBI, reopened the case using modern forensic methods.

In 2023, the Elmira Police Department partnered with the Criminal Investigation Resource Center at Russell Sage College, and the case was organized and digitized, allowing for a review of evidence and forensics.

Forensic evidence from the case was sent to Othram's laboratory in the Woodlands, Texas, where scientists were able to build a comprehensive DNA profile of the unknown suspect.

The profile was used by the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team, and working together with the Elmira Police Department, investigators found the suspect, Alfred Raymond Murray Jr.

Murray died on March 16, 2004, at the age of 73, almost 40 years to the day. Mary Simpson vanished on  March 15, 1964. She was 12.

Transcribe Highlights

00:00.00 Introduction Update Mary Simpson 

05:12.41 Finding identity of killer

10:00.17 A rookie cop in 1964 would be in his/her 80s now

15:00.91 Community was looking for Mary Simpson, 12

20:03.67 Killer shoved dirt in Mary's mouth

25:04.15 Predator will stand over victim 

30:40.23 Othram did genetic genealogy

31:37.91 Murray may have been responsible for multiple sexual assaults on children for years

34:57.02 Mary's body covered in rocks and dirt, choked to death

37:02.08 Conclusion

 

The Elmira Police Department named Alfred Raymond Murray Jr. as the lone suspect in the 1964 murder of 12-year-old Mary Simpson.
The case remained unsolved for 62 years, but it was never forgotten. After getting a grant from the Season of Justice in 2022, Elmira police, with the assistance of the FBI, reopened the case using modern forensic methods.
In 2023, the Elmira Police Department partnered with the Criminal Investigation Resource Center at Russell Sage College, and the case was organized and digitized, allowing for a review of evidence and forensics.
Forensic evidence from the case was sent to Othram's laboratory in the Woodlands, Texas, where scientists were able to build a comprehensive DNA profile of the unknown suspect.
The profile was used by the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team, and working together with the Elmira Police Department, investigators found the suspect, Alfred Raymond Murray Jr.
Murray died on March 16, 2004, at the age of 73, almost 40 years to the day. Mary Simpson vanished on&nbsp; March 15, 1964. She was 12.
Transcribe Highlights
00:00.00 Introduction Update Mary Simpson&nbsp;
05:12.41 Finding identity of killer
10:00.17 A rookie cop in 1964 would be in his/her 80s now
15:00.91 Community was looking for Mary Simpson, 12
20:03.67 Killer shoved dirt in Mary's mouth
25:04.15 Predator will stand over victim&nbsp;
30:40.23 Othram did genetic genealogy
31:37.91 Murray may have been responsible for multiple sexual assaults on children for years
34:57.02 Mary's body covered in rocks and dirt, choked to death
37:02.08 Conclusion
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Killer FINALLY Named in 1964 Murder of Mary Simpson, 12

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'Evil' Sister Kills 'Good' Sister, Puts Body In Hole in Backyard: No Good Deed Goes Unpunished

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