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Kathryn Pham, 21. had been dating Daniel Gunnarsson, 23, hardly a month, but the 23-year-old's obsession with Pham grew quickly. He would get angry if anyone else had the young woman's attention. Gunnarsson confided to his stepfather that he thought Pham was breaking up with him. The stepfather's advice?  Apologize.

Gunnarsson did and somehow convinced Pham to go with him to his stepfather's home. Once there, painters were on the scene. The couple went in to the garage. Soon after the painters hear screaming, but wait an hour before going to check.  Inside the garage, Kathryn Phan is laying on the floor, naked and bloodied. Daniel Gunnarsson struck Pham with an ice axe at least 10 times.

Join forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan and co-host Dave Mack as they look at the destruction and mayhem caused by one tool.  

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00:00:00  Joseph Scott Morgan discusses what it's like to receive a jury duty letter in the mail only to find the possible case is murder. 

00:02:29  An ice axe is not a tool found in most homes. Usually it is only in locations with colder temperature.  How could it be used for murder? 

00:04:14 Description of an ice axe

00:06:50  Dating relationship between Daniel Gunnarsson and Katie Pham introduced

00:07:56 Daniel Gunnarsson red flag behavior details. 

 00:09:06  Katie Pham's trip to Gunnarsson's stepfather's garage

 00:09:38  Painters start hearing a girl's screams. Body is discovered. Scene described.

 00:12:28 Katie Pham's injuries described 

 00:15:56 Injuries occurred in the upper body, the chest, the neck  and the head. . 

00:20:08 Dead body touched in sexual manner

00:21:34 Suspect was wearing gloves. 

00:24:45 Jurors had to hear details of an ice axe murder. 

00:25:34 Victim was struck at least 10 times. 

00:28:36  Is it possible to determine the order of injuries? 

00:29:41 Defense strategy was that someone else snuck into the garage. 

 00:31:01 Jurors wept 

00:31:20  Daniel Gunderson was  found guilty.  

Kathryn Pham, 21. had been dating Daniel Gunnarsson, 23, hardly a month, but the 23-year-old's obsession with Pham grew quickly. He would get angry if anyone else had the young woman's attention. Gunnarsson confided to his stepfather that he thought Pham was breaking up with him. The stepfather's advice?  Apologize.
Gunnarsson did and somehow convinced Pham to go with him to his stepfather's home. Once there, painters were on the scene. The couple went in to the garage. Soon after the painters hear screaming, but wait an hour before going to check.  Inside the garage, Kathryn Phan is laying on the floor, naked and bloodied. Daniel Gunnarsson struck Pham with an ice axe at least 10 times.
Join forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan and co-host Dave Mack as they look at the destruction and mayhem caused by one tool.  
Time Codes-highlights
00:00:00  Joseph Scott Morgan discusses what it's like to receive a jury duty letter in the mail only to find the possible case is murder. 
00:02:29  An ice axe is not a tool found in most homes. Usually it is only in locations with colder temperature.  How could it be used for murder? 
00:04:14 Description of an ice axe
00:06:50  Dating relationship between Daniel Gunnarsson and Katie Pham introduced
00:07:56 Daniel Gunnarsson red flag behavior details. 
 00:09:06  Katie Pham's trip to Gunnarsson's stepfather's garage
 00:09:38  Painters start hearing a girl's screams. Body is discovered. Scene described.
 00:12:28 Katie Pham's injuries described 
 00:15:56 Injuries occurred in the upper body, the chest, the neck  and the head. . 
00:20:08 Dead body touched in sexual manner
00:21:34 Suspect was wearing gloves. 
00:24:45 Jurors had to hear details of an ice axe murder. 
00:25:34 Victim was struck at least 10 times. 
00:28:36  Is it possible to determine the order of injuries? 
00:29:41 Defense strategy was that someone else snuck into the garage. 
 00:31:01 Jurors wept 
00:31:20  Daniel Gunderson was  found guilty.

Join Joseph Scott Morgan every week as he explores a world that not many have had a chance to visit, the realm of death. Jo Scott will lead listeners on a journey through the blood soaked death scenes of America and then into the autopsy room to fully understand the science behind each case. Jo Scott is one America’s leading experts on applied forensics and is regularly featured on ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace’, ‘The Piketon Massacre’, Court TV and more.

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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

Join Joseph Scott Morgan every week as he explores a world that not many have had a chance to visit, the realm of death. Jo Scott will lead listeners on a journey through the blood soaked death scenes of America and then into the autopsy room to fully understand the science behind each case. Jo Scott is one America’s leading experts on applied forensics and is regularly featured on ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace’, ‘The Piketon Massacre’, Court TV and more.

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Death by Ice Axe: The Murder of Katie Pham

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