Welcome to episode five twenty of the Bobby Cast, and we are streaming this live on our YouTube channel, and if you guys want to be a part of the live stream, just go to Bobby Bones channel on YouTube and you can watch. We'll start with Karen Reed trial which just happened. And I watched the documentary on HBO Max is great. I think it was like four or five parts, and I had only heard about the trial, and so I went and I watched the thing, and I just watched the verdict from the second trial, and I guess it's not a spoiler because it's news, but the first trial she was not hung, as I have not been, but it was a hung jury. So second trial, which just happened, it's weird at how they were announcing her verdicts. So three one was like second degree murder, one was another one one was a duy basically, But at some point they should just do it like on television, because it was kind of confusing. They get everybody in the courtroom and they're like, okay, for Hearth, who is it in thal? Does the court acknowledge guilty not? I'm completely confused about what's happening and somebody says not guilty. But I mean, at this point in our lives, shouldn't they just go, we find you of charge A, not guilty. We find you on charge B not guilty. It turns out she was not guilty of secondary murderer. She was not guilty of I think leaving the scene. I'm gonna mess some of this up. And the third one was guilty, and it was basically driving under the influence, and that was based on an estimate from way after the fact when they tested her and I followed the trial a little bit. I'm not gonna do twenty minutes of material here on the Karen retrial. But so she's not guilty of second degree murder. That was the big one, So now what are they gonna do? It seemed to me like there was very much some sort of cover up within the system. The system meaning the police force that town, right outside of Boston's police force. But they were so hell bent on making her guilty. So what do they do now? Do they just stop looking for John o'keef's killer. It's bizarre. And if they don't, because again they don't have a second suspect. She's been on trial for two or three years at this point. If it's really justice for John, which is what they're saying, then they should actually go and continue to try to find who killed them because they're only I don't know seven or eight people that were around that night. But I didn't think that they would find her guilty, especially if you watched any of the trial this time, you could almost say last time. But those jurors are supposedly not affected by the first trial at all. But I don't know how you lived in that area and completely consumed by the trial. But watch the series. I'm sure they're gonna have a new documentary up on the second one as well. But she was not not guilty, So I just watched that. It was just really confusing at how they announced it, because I think it should just be announced like on television. I'm taking your questions as we go as well. We can start with this one. What is a moment in your career you still can't believe actually happened. I have a few of these. Number one is way back in the day when I worked in Hot Springs, Arkansas. My very first job was at a radio station called one oh five point nine k e Z. That was a pop radio station. And when I very first started, I worked on the weekends, and I only got a job on the air because they fired a guy that was working on the air, but we also had to do these things called sound and light shows, and he was fired because I think they caught him stealing station equipment. So last minute they had to throw me on the air. My name was name of Bobby Bones. At the time, it was just Bobby. I didn't have a name. I'd never been on the air. But they had hired me to clean the front office where the secretary or any of the office people sat. People come and get their prizes. That was the area that I was hired to clean and switch out these weekly top forty count of down and so I'm hired at KLAZY to do that. Before my first day of cleaning, I'm put on weekends. I have no experience whatsoever. I moved from weekends to weeknights after just a couple of months because the guy who I still know named Kramer, who is still in radio, was doing nights and he left to go to another station. So it was a small town, so it wasn't like they were doing a national search for the job, so they just give me the job. Like I showed up, I was on time. I wasn't particularly good, but I was young, available in cheap, so they just give me the job. And I'm going to get to my point here of you know, one of these things that I can't believe happened, because all this I can believe. If you just show up on time all the time and they trust that you're going to be there when you say, there are a lot of opportunities that are going to open up for you just because now, as somebody who hires people, if the people that I hire just show up consistently on time, emotionally, physically, like, that's ninety five percent of it. And I was that guy. But when I was working at Kla Z and I was going to college because I wanted to graduate college. Nobody in my family had graduated college. I thought, as soon as I finish here, I'm going to try to go and get a bigger job. And I had had some offers when I was at Kayla Z. I mean I remember flying out to the Tri Cities, which is in East Tennessee. It's like Bristol, Virginia, a couple other in that. Try forgive me to the other two that aren't being mentioned in the try, but so I go out. I didn't take that job a couple other ones. I just wanted to graduate college. And there was a station in Little Rock called Q one hundred. They had just flipped two top forty from whatever format they were, and I really wanted that job because to me, Little Rock was a massive city. That was where they had a couple big buildings, that's where the news was shot. Like Ned Perme, my favorite weather man, lived in Little Rock. I thought that was the coolest thing ever, and so I always wanted My dream was to work in Little Rock. They had a minor league baseball team. And when you're coming from Mountain Pine, which is where I'm from, population seven hundred, or Hot Springs, which was town which is where my radio station was, which was twenty thousand, like Little Rock's massive because it was a half million people. So Q one hundred flips on and I remember getting a call on the request line and I said, Hey, do you think you might want to come in do nights at Q one hundred, And I thought it was a prank call, but the guy high identified hisself as a guy named Ted Striker, and I was like, Yeah, this is really you. I think that would be super cool. He said, cool, call me tomorrow in the daytime because my shift was at like eight pm. And so I called him the next day and he's like, I would love to try you out. Well, the problem was I was on in hot Spring because that it was about hour drive, but you could hear both stations, and I would say a little more than faint, but not all the way, but you could hear both stations. And he was like, I'd love to get you on the air at night and give you a tryout. And I'm thinking, I can't really go and try out for your station because I'm on a station right down the road. And if I go and try out, if I quit my job to try out, I don't get the job. That sucks for me. And I told him that, I said, I don't think I can do it, Like, can you not just listen to me here and make your mind out because it's basically the same thing. We're just you know, playing Britney Spears and inn Sinc. CDs. Hey, everybody number twenty two Britney Spears. We're just doing that all night. And he was like, now, I really need you on the station, So I said, okay, So what I do. I'd drive at two o'clock in the morning and I get on Q one hundred under the name and I thought, I was so funny Robbie Johnson because it sounds like Bobby Bones and it was Bobby Jones and his Robbie Jones. So I went Robbie Johnson on Q one hundred from like two to five AM. That was my tryout on a Sunday night, knowing that if I got caught, I was going to get fired, but thinking that there is no chance anybody is going to hear me on this station in Little Rock two to five AM from my station in Hot Springs, because who's even awake. I remember opening the phone lines and radio names are so dumb. My name is dumb. It's Bobby Bones. It's not even my real name, so when I say these names, it's funny. But my program director's name was Jack and his radio name was Jack Frost. And I remember Jack Frost calling the request line at three o'clock in the morning, going, Bobby, is that you on the air now? Again? I'm Robbie Johnson at this time, and I know it's Jack of my program director, and so I just hang up. It was almost like when they say, if you're being questioned by the cops, I don't say anything. You know, if you say nothing, you'll at least remain in the same amount of trouble. If you say anything, it could get worse. So I just hung up, and then I blocked the phone lines. You could push one button, he goes and it blocks all the lines. And I went into work the next Monday and just denied it. I was like what, I was like, are you crazy? And he was like, I could have swore it was you. I was like, on a Sunday night, three am, anyway, it was me. Never really admitted that till right now. I for one night was Robbie Johnson. I got the job, and I left Klazy and went to Q one hundred, probably three weeks later, and it was great. I was there for like six months or so before I moved to Austin. But I cannot believe that happened. When I think back, I'm not even thought of that story and so long. I can't believe that I took that risk. That's not a chance, that risk of getting fired. And then I can't believe that Jack Frost was freaking listening and he called in and got through and then I answered, and then I just hung up. Oh that was totally weird. What I really think happened was I think Jack Frost knew it was me, understood what I was doing, and I think he just got it and never brought it up again. So I appreciate that Jack Frost is not alive anymore. But I appreciate that. And think of all the dumb radio names. Bobby Bones. I didn't pick my name, by the way, like I picked it out of a choice of like three, but Bobby Bones, Ted Striker, who I mentioned Jack Frost, I don't think I was Kevin Cruz who hired me at kay lazy Man. Podcasters have un lucky then I have to come up with stupid names like we had to. That was one and my second one is probably winning Dancing with the Stars, not even just going on Dancing with the Stars, because that was more of a strategy for ABC. And that story is a bit bizarre because I had started on American Idol and I did a season, and I was going back for the second season, which was going to be at my first full season because I did like three quarters of a season that year that I went on the first time, and things were going pretty good at that time because I had an offer to judge The Mass Singer, which I didn't know what the show was. I think it was only on in Japan or whatever country it started in. So they called said, hey, do you want to be one of the judges on The Mass Singer And it was that versus there was a show on USA Network and the show had Travis Trutt, Jacoen, Shania Twain as like the judges, and it was some kind of singing show here in Nashville, and they offered me the host of that job, or it was option see, which was stay on American Idol, and I was going to sign a two year deal with American Idol and go do Dancing with the Stars as promotion for American Idol. That was kind of part of my deal, meaning I had I didn't have to, but they encouraged me to accept that if I were to take the Idol deal because they needed someone to go on that show to promote American Idol. So I never had the ambition to go on to American Idol and excuse me, dancing with the Stars, Like I never had the dream to go on Dancing with the Stars and just dance. I never really watched the show, at least not all the way through. I had seen clips and stuff because it was a you know, definitely a piece of pop culture in American television history, especially when it started. But I took the ABC Disney offer, which was American Idol Dancing with the Stars, and then I want to Dancing with the Stars, and they told me that this show will be four or five weeks and we'll have you back over to American Idol on time. And I remember telling one of the producers, if you think I'm only gonna last four weeks, I have a feeling that's not going to be the case. So we should start to figure out what happens if I'm still on this show and American Idol is taping. And it's not that they laughed. It wasn't like, you know, I'm so I got a text, Dang, I'm so important right now. You would never believe what that text was. The text was, can you take the dog out? So you guys think that I'm some kind of podcast superstar and I just got a text going, can you take the dog out. I think he's got a poop. So what happens is I go on that show and they're like usually people that can't dance and have never danced. They last four weeks and I wasn't in the bottom three. I wasn't in the bottom three, and it came to that point where I had to make a decision do I leave the show to go to American Idol or keep dancing on Dancing with the Stars. And it wasn't even that I loved dancing, because I didn't know how to dance, but I respected all the work that my partner put in Sharna. I didn't want her to be off the show just because I decided I needed to go back to Idle and they were paying me a lot of money. But I stayed on Dancing with the Stars and we won the freaking thing. And when it comes to one of the craziest things ever, it's standing there and there were three I think maybe there were four of us that were still remaining, and Tom Bergeron and Aaron Andrews. They go to that card and he's like, and the winner of Dancing with the Stars Season twenty seven. I remember it so vividly, and I remember in that time because there's music playing, it sounds like a heartbeat. My heart wasn't going bam bam, bam bam bam. Oh, I wonder, I wonder. It was mostly like I was about to die and I was like reliving my life. It was flashing before my eyes. But it was just all my Dancing with the Stars' history, like all those ten weeks of just grinding it out, and I was kind of seeing all that flashed by. And I remember when he said boo, because that's what he said, Bobby and Sharna that boo, And I was like, this is the craziest thing ever. It wasn't like I won like the World Series or the super Bowl, because those guys worked their whole lives to do that, Like they honed those skills since they were six years old and went up through all the levels. Like I got thrown on a show because I took another job, But it was cool because I had the lowest odds because Vegas put out the odds I worked. I don't think there's a question I worked way harder than everybody else because I had a normal job as well, and I was touring and I was living in a city I didn't live in, and I was just doing that show and training extra. So I do think that I work harder than anybody else, but it's because I had to. I was coming from such a detriment when it came to my dance experience. But I remember one of that show and just being like this is wild and they lifted me up like Rudy and I remember that and they lifted me up and they were like yeah. So that was a crazy time because like the show was out there, Amy was out there, Eddie had come out stay with me for some of that show, and Mike Dean and I lived together. But that was a bizarre time, And not that I went on the show. It wasn't the craziest thing to happen, but the fact that I won that freaking show, like I won a reality show, a reality competition, Like that's weird because I don't feel like I really went on a reality show. But they do record you all the time. There's a microphone on your body all the time when you do that show, when you're training, they're always trying to catch something, catch you doing something, saying something. They want something romantic, something dramatic, and Sharna and I made a deal. Wearily they weren't getting any of that from us, And mostly it is because I was so focused on just trying to get to even so she could then teach me that there was no room for me to really have any sort of human emotion. It was just grind, grind, grind, grind. But that was bizarre. And then they had the party afterward. And I've told this story before, but after the show has finished, they have like a quick winning party for like the champion and everybody. That season, I didn't get to go to it because I had to get my car immediately and drive to work and then spend the next hour and a half doing that next morning's radio show. And as soon as that's over, I drove to the airport we hold on a plane that flew across the country to go do Good Morning America. And I remember getting on the plane and everybody being irritated that I made them late, and I was like, guys, I have a job. But that was bizarre and cool. And I still have the mirror ball. It's down here and I don't think about it as much as I used to, meaning it's not like a part of my identity anymore. But when I think of like bi wildly absurd, bizarre things, that whole experience makes that list.

Welcome to episode five twenty of the Bobby Cast, and we are streaming this live on our YouTube channel, and if you guys want to be a part of the live stream, just go to Bobby Bones channel on YouTube and you can watch. We'll start with Karen Reed trial which just happened. And I watched the documentary on HBO Max is great. I think it was like four or five parts, and I had only heard about the trial, and so I went and I watched the thing, and I just watched the verdict from the second trial, and I guess it's not a spoiler because it's news, but the first trial she was not hung, as I have not been, but it was a hung jury. So second trial, which just happened, it's weird at how they were announcing her verdicts. So three one was like second degree murder, one was another one one was a duy basically, But at some point they should just do it like on television, because it was kind of confusing. They get everybody in the courtroom and they're like, okay, for Hearth, who is it in thal? Does the court acknowledge guilty not? I'm completely confused about what's happening and somebody says not guilty. But I mean, at this point in our lives, shouldn't they just go, we find you of charge A, not guilty. We find you on charge B not guilty. It turns out she was not guilty of secondary murderer. She was not guilty of I think leaving the scene. I'm gonna mess some of this up. And the third one was guilty, and it was basically driving under the influence, and that was based on an estimate from way after the fact when they tested her and I followed the trial a little bit. I'm not gonna do twenty minutes of material here on the Karen retrial. But so she's not guilty of second degree murder. That was the big one, So now what are they gonna do? It seemed to me like there was very much some sort of cover up within the system. The system meaning the police force that town, right outside of Boston's police force. But they were so hell bent on making her guilty. So what do they do now? Do they just stop looking for John o'keef's killer. It's bizarre. And if they don't, because again they don't have a second suspect. She's been on trial for two or three years at this point. If it's really justice for John, which is what they're saying, then they should actually go and continue to try to find who killed them because they're only I don't know seven or eight people that were around that night. But I didn't think that they would find her guilty, especially if you watched any of the trial this time, you could almost say last time. But those jurors are supposedly not affected by the first trial at all. But I don't know how you lived in that area and completely consumed by the trial. But watch the series. I'm sure they're gonna have a new documentary up on the second one as well. But she was not not guilty, So I just watched that. It was just really confusing at how they announced it, because I think it should just be announced like on television. I'm taking your questions as we go as well. We can start with this one. What is a moment in your career you still can't believe actually happened. I have a few of these. Number one is way back in the day when I worked in Hot Springs, Arkansas. My very first job was at a radio station called one oh five point nine k e Z. That was a pop radio station. And when I very first started, I worked on the weekends, and I only got a job on the air because they fired a guy that was working on the air, but we also had to do these things called sound and light shows, and he was fired because I think they caught him stealing station equipment. So last minute they had to throw me on the air. My name was name of Bobby Bones. At the time, it was just Bobby. I didn't have a name. I'd never been on the air. But they had hired me to clean the front office where the secretary or any of the office people sat. People come and get their prizes. That was the area that I was hired to clean and switch out these weekly top forty count of down and so I'm hired at KLAZY to do that. Before my first day of cleaning, I'm put on weekends. I have no experience whatsoever. I moved from weekends to weeknights after just a couple of months because the guy who I still know named Kramer, who is still in radio, was doing nights and he left to go to another station. So it was a small town, so it wasn't like they were doing a national search for the job, so they just give me the job. Like I showed up, I was on time. I wasn't particularly good, but I was young, available in cheap, so they just give me the job. And I'm going to get to my point here of you know, one of these things that I can't believe happened, because all this I can believe. If you just show up on time all the time and they trust that you're going to be there when you say, there are a lot of opportunities that are going to open up for you just because now, as somebody who hires people, if the people that I hire just show up consistently on time, emotionally, physically, like, that's ninety five percent of it. And I was that guy. But when I was working at Kla Z and I was going to college because I wanted to graduate college. Nobody in my family had graduated college. I thought, as soon as I finish here, I'm going to try to go and get a bigger job. And I had had some offers when I was at Kayla Z. I mean I remember flying out to the Tri Cities, which is in East Tennessee. It's like Bristol, Virginia, a couple other in that. Try forgive me to the other two that aren't being mentioned in the try, but so I go out. I didn't take that job a couple other ones. I just wanted to graduate college. And there was a station in Little Rock called Q one hundred. They had just flipped two top forty from whatever format they were, and I really wanted that job because to me, Little Rock was a massive city. That was where they had a couple big buildings, that's where the news was shot. Like Ned Perme, my favorite weather man, lived in Little Rock. I thought that was the coolest thing ever, and so I always wanted My dream was to work in Little Rock. They had a minor league baseball team. And when you're coming from Mountain Pine, which is where I'm from, population seven hundred, or Hot Springs, which was town which is where my radio station was, which was twenty thousand, like Little Rock's massive because it was a half million people. So Q one hundred flips on and I remember getting a call on the request line and I said, Hey, do you think you might want to come in do nights at Q one hundred, And I thought it was a prank call, but the guy high identified hisself as a guy named Ted Striker, and I was like, Yeah, this is really you. I think that would be super cool. He said, cool, call me tomorrow in the daytime because my shift was at like eight pm. And so I called him the next day and he's like, I would love to try you out. Well, the problem was I was on in hot Spring because that it was about hour drive, but you could hear both stations, and I would say a little more than faint, but not all the way, but you could hear both stations. And he was like, I'd love to get you on the air at night and give you a tryout. And I'm thinking, I can't really go and try out for your station because I'm on a station right down the road. And if I go and try out, if I quit my job to try out, I don't get the job. That sucks for me. And I told him that, I said, I don't think I can do it, Like, can you not just listen to me here and make your mind out because it's basically the same thing. We're just you know, playing Britney Spears and inn Sinc. CDs. Hey, everybody number twenty two Britney Spears. We're just doing that all night. And he was like, now, I really need you on the station, So I said, okay, So what I do. I'd drive at two o'clock in the morning and I get on Q one hundred under the name and I thought, I was so funny Robbie Johnson because it sounds like Bobby Bones and it was Bobby Jones and his Robbie Jones. So I went Robbie Johnson on Q one hundred from like two to five AM. That was my tryout on a Sunday night, knowing that if I got caught, I was going to get fired, but thinking that there is no chance anybody is going to hear me on this station in Little Rock two to five AM from my station in Hot Springs, because who's even awake. I remember opening the phone lines and radio names are so dumb. My name is dumb. It's Bobby Bones. It's not even my real name, so when I say these names, it's funny. But my program director's name was Jack and his radio name was Jack Frost. And I remember Jack Frost calling the request line at three o'clock in the morning, going, Bobby, is that you on the air now? Again? I'm Robbie Johnson at this time, and I know it's Jack of my program director, and so I just hang up. It was almost like when they say, if you're being questioned by the cops, I don't say anything. You know, if you say nothing, you'll at least remain in the same amount of trouble. If you say anything, it could get worse. So I just hung up, and then I blocked the phone lines. You could push one button, he goes and it blocks all the lines. And I went into work the next Monday and just denied it. I was like what, I was like, are you crazy? And he was like, I could have swore it was you. I was like, on a Sunday night, three am, anyway, it was me. Never really admitted that till right now. I for one night was Robbie Johnson. I got the job, and I left Klazy and went to Q one hundred, probably three weeks later, and it was great. I was there for like six months or so before I moved to Austin. But I cannot believe that happened. When I think back, I'm not even thought of that story and so long. I can't believe that I took that risk. That's not a chance, that risk of getting fired. And then I can't believe that Jack Frost was freaking listening and he called in and got through and then I answered, and then I just hung up. Oh that was totally weird. What I really think happened was I think Jack Frost knew it was me, understood what I was doing, and I think he just got it and never brought it up again. So I appreciate that Jack Frost is not alive anymore. But I appreciate that. And think of all the dumb radio names. Bobby Bones. I didn't pick my name, by the way, like I picked it out of a choice of like three, but Bobby Bones, Ted Striker, who I mentioned Jack Frost, I don't think I was Kevin Cruz who hired me at kay lazy Man. Podcasters have un lucky then I have to come up with stupid names like we had to. That was one and my second one is probably winning Dancing with the Stars, not even just going on Dancing with the Stars, because that was more of a strategy for ABC. And that story is a bit bizarre because I had started on American Idol and I did a season, and I was going back for the second season, which was going to be at my first full season because I did like three quarters of a season that year that I went on the first time, and things were going pretty good at that time because I had an offer to judge The Mass Singer, which I didn't know what the show was. I think it was only on in Japan or whatever country it started in. So they called said, hey, do you want to be one of the judges on The Mass Singer And it was that versus there was a show on USA Network and the show had Travis Trutt, Jacoen, Shania Twain as like the judges, and it was some kind of singing show here in Nashville, and they offered me the host of that job, or it was option see, which was stay on American Idol, and I was going to sign a two year deal with American Idol and go do Dancing with the Stars as promotion for American Idol. That was kind of part of my deal, meaning I had I didn't have to, but they encouraged me to accept that if I were to take the Idol deal because they needed someone to go on that show to promote American Idol. So I never had the ambition to go on to American Idol and excuse me, dancing with the Stars, Like I never had the dream to go on Dancing with the Stars and just dance. I never really watched the show, at least not all the way through. I had seen clips and stuff because it was a you know, definitely a piece of pop culture in American television history, especially when it started. But I took the ABC Disney offer, which was American Idol Dancing with the Stars, and then I want to Dancing with the Stars, and they told me that this show will be four or five weeks and we'll have you back over to American Idol on time. And I remember telling one of the producers, if you think I'm only gonna last four weeks, I have a feeling that's not going to be the case. So we should start to figure out what happens if I'm still on this show and American Idol is taping. And it's not that they laughed. It wasn't like, you know, I'm so I got a text, Dang, I'm so important right now. You would never believe what that text was. The text was, can you take the dog out? So you guys think that I'm some kind of podcast superstar and I just got a text going, can you take the dog out. I think he's got a poop. So what happens is I go on that show and they're like usually people that can't dance and have never danced. They last four weeks and I wasn't in the bottom three. I wasn't in the bottom three, and it came to that point where I had to make a decision do I leave the show to go to American Idol or keep dancing on Dancing with the Stars. And it wasn't even that I loved dancing, because I didn't know how to dance, but I respected all the work that my partner put in Sharna. I didn't want her to be off the show just because I decided I needed to go back to Idle and they were paying me a lot of money. But I stayed on Dancing with the Stars and we won the freaking thing. And when it comes to one of the craziest things ever, it's standing there and there were three I think maybe there were four of us that were still remaining, and Tom Bergeron and Aaron Andrews. They go to that card and he's like, and the winner of Dancing with the Stars Season twenty seven. I remember it so vividly, and I remember in that time because there's music playing, it sounds like a heartbeat. My heart wasn't going bam bam, bam bam bam. Oh, I wonder, I wonder. It was mostly like I was about to die and I was like reliving my life. It was flashing before my eyes. But it was just all my Dancing with the Stars' history, like all those ten weeks of just grinding it out, and I was kind of seeing all that flashed by. And I remember when he said boo, because that's what he said, Bobby and Sharna that boo, And I was like, this is the craziest thing ever. It wasn't like I won like the World Series or the super Bowl, because those guys worked their whole lives to do that, Like they honed those skills since they were six years old and went up through all the levels. Like I got thrown on a show because I took another job, But it was cool because I had the lowest odds because Vegas put out the odds I worked. I don't think there's a question I worked way harder than everybody else because I had a normal job as well, and I was touring and I was living in a city I didn't live in, and I was just doing that show and training extra. So I do think that I work harder than anybody else, but it's because I had to. I was coming from such a detriment when it came to my dance experience. But I remember one of that show and just being like this is wild and they lifted me up like Rudy and I remember that and they lifted me up and they were like yeah. So that was a crazy time because like the show was out there, Amy was out there, Eddie had come out stay with me for some of that show, and Mike Dean and I lived together. But that was a bizarre time, And not that I went on the show. It wasn't the craziest thing to happen, but the fact that I won that freaking show, like I won a reality show, a reality competition, Like that's weird because I don't feel like I really went on a reality show. But they do record you all the time. There's a microphone on your body all the time when you do that show, when you're training, they're always trying to catch something, catch you doing something, saying something. They want something romantic, something dramatic, and Sharna and I made a deal. Wearily they weren't getting any of that from us, And mostly it is because I was so focused on just trying to get to even so she could then teach me that there was no room for me to really have any sort of human emotion. It was just grind, grind, grind, grind. But that was bizarre. And then they had the party afterward. And I've told this story before, but after the show has finished, they have like a quick winning party for like the champion and everybody. That season, I didn't get to go to it because I had to get my car immediately and drive to work and then spend the next hour and a half doing that next morning's radio show. And as soon as that's over, I drove to the airport we hold on a plane that flew across the country to go do Good Morning America. And I remember getting on the plane and everybody being irritated that I made them late, and I was like, guys, I have a job. But that was bizarre and cool. And I still have the mirror ball. It's down here and I don't think about it as much as I used to, meaning it's not like a part of my identity anymore. But when I think of like bi wildly absurd, bizarre things, that whole experience makes that list.

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Here's another question, what is the most impactful song of your life? I think I probably have three of these. I think number one it's John Mayer Stopped This Train. That's my favorite song of all time. I think because I feel like that was the first song that I ever heard sang by anybody that I felt like, whoever wrote that song wrote it in my voice, and I think that's what a great songwriter is. It's not just somebody who can rhyme words and have a reallyquol melody. At least it's not just that. And when he was singing stop this Train, because the whole song's about you know, time just goes by and if you don't like stop the train occasionally and like appreciate it, like you're not going to appreciate it ever. And there's a line in the song that says, I don't I may butcher this because I haven't thought about this in a long time. I'm so scared of getting older. I'm only good at being young, And like, I resonated with that because forever I was like the young guy in this medium radio especially, I was like the youngest by ten fifteen years doing it at the level that I was doing it. And so yeah, that line hit me pretty hard. I would still say probably my favorite song ever. So that was one where I started to appreciate songwriting. Another one of the songs I think I have three is Thomas Rhett Beer with Jesus. I love Thomas Rhett, but I thought that song was so stupid, and it was when I was considering coming to country music. Stupid is not the word corny, because Eddie and I were playing golf in Austin and that was trying to get Eddie to move to Nashville with me. And this whole thing is not a shot at that song, but just our feeling about that song when we turned it on, because what happened was Eddie and I are playing golf in Austin and I am like, dude, you gotta come and move to Nashville with me. Because he had turned down offers to be on the morning show in Texas. He was like, I don't want to wake up that early. He had a job of the news, like he was doing pretty good. And I said, do come to Nashville, move your family. I will pay you really well, and you'll run cameras and you'll edit and you'll be on the air. And I don't really know what your role is going to be, but you're my best friends. Oh, come on, And my whole thing, my whole career has been find my friends. Find my friends that show up on time every time that I can depend on, and let's go and build something cool. And he wouldn't say yes. He wouldn't say yes, and I said, well, let's I said, let's just turn on a song. And we turned on the Big ninety eight in Nashville, which is, I guess our flagship station here. We're not really working from that studio, but it's in our building and we're in Nashville, so we'll call it flagship. And I turned it on and the song that was on, and it may have been Thomas Strutt's first single is if I could have a beer with Jesus. I'd tell him and I was like, this is the worst song ever. To try to get Eddie to move to Nashville, and I don't know Tiar's relationship with that song right now. He may love it and still think and it's not even about Jesus, So don't hit me up and be like, I can't believe. Well, I'm I don't drink beer, so I definitely wouldn't have a beer with Jesus. And if Jesus like tried to give me a drink beer for the first time, is that even Jesus? Or is it the devil in disguise about that? Probably haven't thought about that, But that song was very impactful because I think that song probably kept Eddie from almost moving to Nashville. I'm gonna call him real quick, and he doesn't know I'm talking about this obviously because it was a question from you guys live. Let's see if he answers on FaceTime. He may even answer. I guarantee you he knows the song, and if he doesn't, I'll be shocked. Hey, dude, can you hear me? Yeah? What up? Okay, I'm recording right now, so you're on and I'm telling a story and I'm not gonna tell you what it is. I just want you to tell me if you remember. Okay, okay. Whenever we were playing golf in Austin, Texas and I'm trying to convince you to move to Nashville to do this show with me, and I'm like, dude, just come on, just bring your family, move across. And we decided to turn the radio on to kind of get the temperature and be like, is this cool or not? What song was playing?

Here's another question, what is the most impactful song of your life? I think I probably have three of these. I think number one it's John Mayer Stopped This Train. That's my favorite song of all time. I think because I feel like that was the first song that I ever heard sang by anybody that I felt like, whoever wrote that song wrote it in my voice, and I think that's what a great songwriter is. It's not just somebody who can rhyme words and have a reallyquol melody. At least it's not just that. And when he was singing stop this Train, because the whole song's about you know, time just goes by and if you don't like stop the train occasionally and like appreciate it, like you're not going to appreciate it ever. And there's a line in the song that says, I don't I may butcher this because I haven't thought about this in a long time. I'm so scared of getting older. I'm only good at being young, And like, I resonated with that because forever I was like the young guy in this medium radio especially, I was like the youngest by ten fifteen years doing it at the level that I was doing it. And so yeah, that line hit me pretty hard. I would still say probably my favorite song ever. So that was one where I started to appreciate songwriting. Another one of the songs I think I have three is Thomas Rhett Beer with Jesus. I love Thomas Rhett, but I thought that song was so stupid, and it was when I was considering coming to country music. Stupid is not the word corny, because Eddie and I were playing golf in Austin and that was trying to get Eddie to move to Nashville with me. And this whole thing is not a shot at that song, but just our feeling about that song when we turned it on, because what happened was Eddie and I are playing golf in Austin and I am like, dude, you gotta come and move to Nashville with me. Because he had turned down offers to be on the morning show in Texas. He was like, I don't want to wake up that early. He had a job of the news, like he was doing pretty good. And I said, do come to Nashville, move your family. I will pay you really well, and you'll run cameras and you'll edit and you'll be on the air. And I don't really know what your role is going to be, but you're my best friends. Oh, come on, And my whole thing, my whole career has been find my friends. Find my friends that show up on time every time that I can depend on, and let's go and build something cool. And he wouldn't say yes. He wouldn't say yes, and I said, well, let's I said, let's just turn on a song. And we turned on the Big ninety eight in Nashville, which is, I guess our flagship station here. We're not really working from that studio, but it's in our building and we're in Nashville, so we'll call it flagship. And I turned it on and the song that was on, and it may have been Thomas Strutt's first single is if I could have a beer with Jesus. I'd tell him and I was like, this is the worst song ever. To try to get Eddie to move to Nashville, and I don't know Tiar's relationship with that song right now. He may love it and still think and it's not even about Jesus, So don't hit me up and be like, I can't believe. Well, I'm I don't drink beer, so I definitely wouldn't have a beer with Jesus. And if Jesus like tried to give me a drink beer for the first time, is that even Jesus? Or is it the devil in disguise about that? Probably haven't thought about that, But that song was very impactful because I think that song probably kept Eddie from almost moving to Nashville. I'm gonna call him real quick, and he doesn't know I'm talking about this obviously because it was a question from you guys live. Let's see if he answers on FaceTime. He may even answer. I guarantee you he knows the song, and if he doesn't, I'll be shocked. Hey, dude, can you hear me? Yeah? What up? Okay, I'm recording right now, so you're on and I'm telling a story and I'm not gonna tell you what it is. I just want you to tell me if you remember. Okay, okay. Whenever we were playing golf in Austin, Texas and I'm trying to convince you to move to Nashville to do this show with me, and I'm like, dude, just come on, just bring your family, move across. And we decided to turn the radio on to kind of get the temperature and be like, is this cool or not? What song was playing?

Thomas Frrett, if I can have a beer, I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it.

Thomas Frrett, if I can have a beer, I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it.

What would you say our feeling was when we heard that song?

What would you say our feeling was when we heard that song?

Huh. I don't think we talked about it, just looked at each other. We looked at each other and when huh.

Huh. I don't think we talked about it, just looked at each other. We looked at each other and when huh.

Okay, I just wanted to see if you remember that's the same way I did. Yeah, all right, buddy, see later. Impactful but Thomas, right, I love you body. I want you to be offended by this. But that's the truth. And the third one is probably when it comes to impactful songs, probably Chris Stapleton and I'm gonna say Tennessee Whiskey, and not because of the song, but in the history of the Bobby Bone Show, there have only been a few people that I've called and like said, hey, you gotta come on the show. I'm a big fan way before they popped, and then when they popped it worked out to be super beneficial to me. One of those was Chris Stapleton, and I remember calling him at his house. He was in the shower and at this point he was a songwriter and he had some hits of a songwriter, but he wasn't a known artist, and he said, let me call you right back in the shower, all live on the air, and I'm like, dude, come up, You're awesome. He's like, okay, he comes up, he plays boom, it's great. He does. Josh Turner maybe turned him lots down because he wrote that song and it has like eight million views now on YouTube. But that was before Tennessee Whiskey. So it was very beneficial to me that I heard his amazing voice before he blew up. Because I didn't make him good, I didn't find him, I didn't make him famous, I didn't put him add justin turberlate together. But as soon as he popped like he did, he had this really cool loyalty to me, which still to this day, for some reason, he holds anytime I ask him to do anything It is a very quick yes. I love Chris. Chris doesn't do a whole lot like publicly as far as interviews, but he's always on the show when I call him. He did the Million Dollar Show with Eddie Knight at the Rhyme and he came and played it. But I would say that song because that created that relationship with Chris Stapleton and I. I got very fortunate there those three songs, but mostly beer with jeez, it's crazy that Eddie remembers that. Here's another question. What's the most misunderstood part of your job? One? How difficult it is to wake up every morning. It's not difficult like my stepdad who worked at the Middle difficult. It's different kind of difficult. I would much rather do what I'm doing because I chose to do what I do, and I built all the avenues that I get to drive down every day to do what I do, meaning this podcast, meaning the radio show, meaning any of the television projects that I do. So I did it all once. I remember I was doing Breaking Bobby Bones on nat GEO and I was injured a lot because that show had me catching myself on fire as a stuntman falling off houses, climbing in the middle of winter in Iowa, a like wind turbine, like all this stuff, and I was always hurt and I would complain about it. My wife would go, I get it that you're hurting, but you created all this stuff that's hurting you, so you can only be so upset. And that's how I feel about the morning show, right It sucks to wake up early in the morning. That being said, how difficult that is. I would say, the constant pressure to be on all the time. Now again, I did this because I'm the one that decided to do the radio show, the NFL podcast, twenty five Whistles, the Bobby Cast, I did the Yellowstone Podcast. I'm trying, So I did all this. So when I say this, it's all my fault. But there really is so much energy you have, and that's it. You hit a point. And I think, as I record this, like I've kind of hit that pointly have a few days off coming out vacation in the next few weeks. But I think that's a misunderstood part that And I'm not whining, but you can actually like fry your brain. I think my brain's fried right now. I think in like the radio part of it. It used to be be relatable. Relatability is key, and I think Nember something to that, but it's not even that anymore. I think being entertaining is number one. Being authentic or telling the truth is number two, because if you're being entertaining, you can't stay in character or remember your lies. That's why I don't lie more. I can't remember them, and I'm on like seven places doing seven different things. I don't think I lie at all. If I do, you're gonna hear me contradict myself not knowing it because I'm saying things in all these different places. So I think number one is entertaining, Number two is being honest and authentic, and then number three is being relatable. Like I think relatability's fine and it's good, but like your neighbors relatable, Do you want to listen to them talk for an hour on a podcast? Probably not? I mean maybe, but relatability was such a two thousands thing where it was number one, and we still get this research sometimes it's like you're not being relatable enough. I'm like, good, does that mean I'm being way more entertaining because I don't want to be fake relatable. If I were to come on now and say the things that I said fifteen years ago, you guys would know it was a lie. If I came on and said things like, man, i went to the vet and that bill was so high, I'm thinking about not even like paying it and just seeing what happens. That's a real thing that happens with people. But you guys know I have money now because I've been doing this for so long. Or if I'm like I had to go buy a new set of tires that's really really got me strapped this month, you guys would know I was full of crap now. I had to live a big part of my life like that. But that's the relatability part that I understand because I had it. But I don't have it anymore, so I don't lie about that part anymore. So those are probably and by the way, those aren't even that big of a deal. Like, my job is pretty cool. I put a lot of time and effort into it and a lot of strategy, but my job's pretty cool, So I don't complain about it much. Mostly if I do complain about it, it's only if I'm complaining about beer with Jesus and that song that almost kept me from coming here.

Okay, I just wanted to see if you remember that's the same way I did. Yeah, all right, buddy, see later. Impactful but Thomas, right, I love you body. I want you to be offended by this. But that's the truth. And the third one is probably when it comes to impactful songs, probably Chris Stapleton and I'm gonna say Tennessee Whiskey, and not because of the song, but in the history of the Bobby Bone Show, there have only been a few people that I've called and like said, hey, you gotta come on the show. I'm a big fan way before they popped, and then when they popped it worked out to be super beneficial to me. One of those was Chris Stapleton, and I remember calling him at his house. He was in the shower and at this point he was a songwriter and he had some hits of a songwriter, but he wasn't a known artist, and he said, let me call you right back in the shower, all live on the air, and I'm like, dude, come up, You're awesome. He's like, okay, he comes up, he plays boom, it's great. He does. Josh Turner maybe turned him lots down because he wrote that song and it has like eight million views now on YouTube. But that was before Tennessee Whiskey. So it was very beneficial to me that I heard his amazing voice before he blew up. Because I didn't make him good, I didn't find him, I didn't make him famous, I didn't put him add justin turberlate together. But as soon as he popped like he did, he had this really cool loyalty to me, which still to this day, for some reason, he holds anytime I ask him to do anything It is a very quick yes. I love Chris. Chris doesn't do a whole lot like publicly as far as interviews, but he's always on the show when I call him. He did the Million Dollar Show with Eddie Knight at the Rhyme and he came and played it. But I would say that song because that created that relationship with Chris Stapleton and I. I got very fortunate there those three songs, but mostly beer with jeez, it's crazy that Eddie remembers that. Here's another question. What's the most misunderstood part of your job? One? How difficult it is to wake up every morning. It's not difficult like my stepdad who worked at the Middle difficult. It's different kind of difficult. I would much rather do what I'm doing because I chose to do what I do, and I built all the avenues that I get to drive down every day to do what I do, meaning this podcast, meaning the radio show, meaning any of the television projects that I do. So I did it all once. I remember I was doing Breaking Bobby Bones on nat GEO and I was injured a lot because that show had me catching myself on fire as a stuntman falling off houses, climbing in the middle of winter in Iowa, a like wind turbine, like all this stuff, and I was always hurt and I would complain about it. My wife would go, I get it that you're hurting, but you created all this stuff that's hurting you, so you can only be so upset. And that's how I feel about the morning show, right It sucks to wake up early in the morning. That being said, how difficult that is. I would say, the constant pressure to be on all the time. Now again, I did this because I'm the one that decided to do the radio show, the NFL podcast, twenty five Whistles, the Bobby Cast, I did the Yellowstone Podcast. I'm trying, So I did all this. So when I say this, it's all my fault. But there really is so much energy you have, and that's it. You hit a point. And I think, as I record this, like I've kind of hit that pointly have a few days off coming out vacation in the next few weeks. But I think that's a misunderstood part that And I'm not whining, but you can actually like fry your brain. I think my brain's fried right now. I think in like the radio part of it. It used to be be relatable. Relatability is key, and I think Nember something to that, but it's not even that anymore. I think being entertaining is number one. Being authentic or telling the truth is number two, because if you're being entertaining, you can't stay in character or remember your lies. That's why I don't lie more. I can't remember them, and I'm on like seven places doing seven different things. I don't think I lie at all. If I do, you're gonna hear me contradict myself not knowing it because I'm saying things in all these different places. So I think number one is entertaining, Number two is being honest and authentic, and then number three is being relatable. Like I think relatability's fine and it's good, but like your neighbors relatable, Do you want to listen to them talk for an hour on a podcast? Probably not? I mean maybe, but relatability was such a two thousands thing where it was number one, and we still get this research sometimes it's like you're not being relatable enough. I'm like, good, does that mean I'm being way more entertaining because I don't want to be fake relatable. If I were to come on now and say the things that I said fifteen years ago, you guys would know it was a lie. If I came on and said things like, man, i went to the vet and that bill was so high, I'm thinking about not even like paying it and just seeing what happens. That's a real thing that happens with people. But you guys know I have money now because I've been doing this for so long. Or if I'm like I had to go buy a new set of tires that's really really got me strapped this month, you guys would know I was full of crap now. I had to live a big part of my life like that. But that's the relatability part that I understand because I had it. But I don't have it anymore, so I don't lie about that part anymore. So those are probably and by the way, those aren't even that big of a deal. Like, my job is pretty cool. I put a lot of time and effort into it and a lot of strategy, but my job's pretty cool, So I don't complain about it much. Mostly if I do complain about it, it's only if I'm complaining about beer with Jesus and that song that almost kept me from coming here.

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What do people assume about your success that isn't true? I think you probably assume everything that's correct about this. It is a lot of being on but who cares. Like again, my stepdad worked at the mill, like I've seen real work before, and I think this is real work, but it's definitely not the same. So not to not spend time on that question. But that was a little bit like the last one. I didn't even why I picked it, but thank you for sending it. Which moment felt more like you made it your first big check or your first big opportunity. That's interesting, my first big check or my first big opportunity. Well, the first thing I bought with what I felt was my first big check was a pair of Jordans, white Jordans. I didn't have nice shoes growing up, and if I did, I got them at a yard sale. So I thought, the first time I make money and I have money that is more than just week to week, I'm gonna buy me the coolest Jordans. And I bought a pair of white Jordans. Sixes, like that's cool, that's special because I still remember that. I still remember going to the mall. I'm buying those. I bought my mom a trailer and two acres of land before she died like that. From another big check, like I signed a contract in Austin I think for like four hundred thousand dollars a year. Just walking back through my checks and what I made per year. When I started in radio full time, I made like sixteen thousand a year, and that was all hourly, so it was sixteen thousand, but it was based on nine dollars an hour or something like that. When I went to Austin to do nights full time because I went from Little Rock to Austin, I went for thirty two thousand dollars a year and that was two thousand and three. Late two thousand and two. When I got the morning job in Austin and they paid me fifty thousand dollars a year, I was rich. I really felt like I was rich. It was the I think of any of the Hey, we're going to sign a new contract. There was more joy in that one than any other deal that I had ever signed because it was the first time that there was this entirely new feeling of I don't feel fundamentally like I am just swimming as hard as I can to stay above water. And that fifty thousand dollars a year was crazy. I could not believe it. So that job, and you know, by the time I left Austin, it was four or five hundred thousand dollars a year, and that's pretty good. But that was also like bonuses, like we were number one for like five years in a row. And when I say that, I mean every quarter. They would have a ratings book, and if I hit for four quarters in a row, I got a bonus of like seventy five thousand dollars, and four years in a row, I hit that freaking bonus like we would crush in Austin. And so when you ask the question, first big check or first big opportunity, like, those are the checks that I think of. The other check that I think of. I had gone and I had done some episodes on American Idol that first season, and they had me come in for one episode and it was really to talk to kids, kids, young adults, but mostly kids on this show about what it was like to be interviewed by multiple people and walk them through the process of like how to start over at the next interview and how to have your your microphone close to your mouth. But really that's what it was. It was like how to be interviewed. So I go when I do that. But what I found, and what they found too, was that I understood what a lot of those young adults and kids were going through because until I had been sent to New York or Los Angeles for work, I'd never been to New York or Los Angeles. And then when I got there, I was like, Wow, this is like television. I was overwhelmed a bit, as were they, and so they kept me on. I did multiple episodes, and I've told the story and I talked about it, I think in my seal, which is not even available because once CMT air did, I put it on YouTube and then never pushed load. I guess I loaded it. I just never made it public. I talked about that and how I lost money for like three episodes because American Idol didn't even know that I didn't live in Los Angeles. They thought I lived there. Because I didn't want them to use that as a reason not to hire me for another episode. So they were paying me union minimum, and by the time I was paying for my flights at my hotel, I was losing hundreds of dollars, just hundreds of dollars, but still money an episode. So for like three episodes, I lost money, and so they asked me to come back and do more episodes, and I was like, Okay, I have to make a confession to you. Guess I don't live here. And so my manager at the time was like, we'll get you a higher rate, and so they paid me for like the last couple episodes fifty thousand dollars an episode on American Idol that first season. So first season ends, and this is pre we're doing a prequel here to that story. I told earlier that first season ends, and I had heard they were going to offer me a deal for another season, maybe two, And I'm thinking, if they just pay me like that fifty thousand dollars an episode, that's going to be awesome. And so they made an offer to me, and it was like three hundred thousand dollars. I would have said yes immediately, my manager, whose name is Corn Capshaw, who's the owner of Red Light Management, he said, don't take it, I love. What are you talking about? He goes, if you just say no, they're going to offer you more. And I said, are you sure? And he said, well, you really can't be sure of anything. And I thought, if I say no to this, they're offered me a full time job on this show. They're offering me three hundred thousand dollars or something like that all in, and if I say no, they may go, well, there's eleven of you here in La more than that that we can hire to put on the show. And he said, if I were you as your manager, I can't say no. But I'm going to say you should say no to this. And so I trusted them and I said, guys, I don't feel like you're paying me enough. I'm gonna say no. Their next offer was one point two million dollars and I said, yes, immediately, that's a big check. That's a big that's a big check. That's pretty cool. And then I don't know what the weird part about that question is your first big opportunity. I don't feel like I ever just had this massive opportunity that came to me out of nowhere, or this opportunity that just showed up because they're like, we think you're so great, here's a big opportunity. Everything that I've been doing has been one small ladder rung and then one small ladder rung, and then I fall down a couple of lodder rungs, and then I climb up three small ladder rungs. Like, I don't really feel like I've ever had a massive jump that either didn't have a lot of risk involved or really wasn't that massive because I'd been working on it for so long behind the scenes. So I'm gonna say you made it was the big checks because there was never just a massive opportunity that presented itself that I wasn't either killing myself to get. Yeah, it's the money, And I've never really done anything just for money. I've probably taken a couple speaking engagements, but that's one day, and those pay really well. If it's a private speaking engagement or a private like just me going up to do some jokes, that's significant. So I've done that for money, but I've never like taken on a whole project for money. I did the Yellowstone podcast, and I thought that was a good relationship builder. I kind of regret doing that. It wasn't that Yellowstone was bad to work with. It wasn't the Paramo I was bad to work with. That production company was terrible, and the producer of that was just really awful. And when he sent the email that was like, you're not famous enough to get big guests, because I said, hey, why don't we get Kevin Costner? Why don't we get and he was like, yeah, if you were famous, we could get them, but you're not famous enough. And I was like, okay, cool. I had Costner on my show like four weeks prior. I felt pretty good about sending that email off. But I'm gonna go checks. Is AI going to run creativity or is AI going to enhance it? That's the question. My answer is going to be the AI is going to enhance it. I think everything has always been enhanced by things that were going to ruin creativity. And I can walk you through this. I've thought about it this a bit because I love AI. I make AI teasers for upcoming guests on the Bobbycast. So if we go back the printing press in the fourteen hundreds, people said that the printing press would kill memory, it would kill oral tradition, like just telling stories into your buddy's ear, and Papa would tell grandkids' stories, and it would kill the sacred art of hand copying texts. So the printing press was going to ruin creativity in the fourteen hundreds. In the eighteen hundreds, photography was going to run create activity. Painters were pissed at photography, and so people were like, that's it, it's over. These machines are taking pictures. It's not the human hand anymore. Why paint when you can just click? Then, recorded music in the nineteen hundreds, live musicians panicked. Sheet music aficionados I don't even know what you call that, like publishers, they went ballistic. The whole thought was if music is put on a vinyl or on a way that people will not go to live shows anymore, that was ruining creativity. You can go to the nineteen seventies or the nineteen eighties synthesizers and drum machines. Traditional musicians said it was fake, it was robotic, it was soulless. That's not real music. Now, that's so much a part of real music. Pop, hip hop, dm even country sampling in the eighties and the nineties, like old school purists said that borrowing other clips of other songs was just theft, not art, that it was just noise not music. Are you seeing the patterns here? Auto tune in the nineties, I think Share Believe was the first auto tune song that was a hit. T Paining gets all the credit because that he made it his thing, which is weird because Tea paink could really really sing, so it was a stylistic choice for Tea pain more than anything else. YouTube and social media in the two thousands, people said it was just kids making dumb videos, and then when it started to catch on, it was it's not really television. But then when it got so big, it was like television's done. Everything's gonna be done on YouTube for a nickel streaming services. So my only point here about that question is every generation thinks that the the next part of technology is killing creativity. But the thing about creativity is it doesn't die, it adapts. It always has AI isn't the end of originality. It is just a really cool tool in the box, and I think all of those have been tools in the box so far. It can't replace human emotion or experience or taste. It can only reflect it based on what it's built on. So I can understand people getting upset about AI at times, but remember people got upset the printing press. And that's what I want you to say. The next time someone's like AI is ruining music, Say ah, you sound like someone in fourteen eighteen complaining about the printing press. But I think AI is great and if you don't use it, you're going to get crushed by someone else. That is, because again it's a tool. Next question, what's one story from behind the scenes Bobby Bone show you've never told? I guess I'm feeling a bit nostalgic. So there was a point during the show when I knew we were moving to Nashville, but I could not tell anybody else on the show we were moving to Nashville because I hadn't even decided who I was gonna take because it was so new to me. But they said, you can't tell anybody because legally there are people that can't know. And I'm not sure if it was because they needed to be moved, because a lot of the shows that were on in the mornings when we came on around the country either got moved to like middays or afternoons or some of them were like go before we even came on, Like I didn't have any control over any of that. But because of that, I couldn't talk about it, couldn't tell anybody about it. And so there were a couple of stories specifically that come to mind. Amy was trying to buy a house in Austin and she had moved to North Carolina. She worked remotely from North Carolina for a couple of years because her husband at the time now our ex husband, was in the military, and she worked on the show with us in Austin. I'd built that whole syndication company myself in Austin, and so because I did that, I had the leverage to say we're keep an Amy. And it was kind of unheard of to have a co host that wasn't in the same room with you. And so Amy was working in North Carolina moving back to Austin. Everybody was pumped because she was gonna be back in the room with us. But if she was moving back and looking for a house, that's when it's okay, I'm taking the Nashville job. I said, I gotta tell Amy she's gonna buy a house, and like a week. They wouldn't let me do it. And I said to them, she may not take the job if she buys a house. They would not let me do it. She put an offer in on a house, they accepted the offer, and for some reason, part of the contingency fell through and the house was never able to be bought. It was just like taking off the market or something. And thank god that happened, because I don't know that Amy would have come to Nashville with this, not because of me, but because her and her husband had just bought a house. So that one. And then Ray Mundo where Ray Mundo had come to me, and Ray was an intern for me. And the way that I met Ray was he was doing internships for different radio stations in the building and he was an intern for the sports station called thirteen hundred Zone in Austin, and they asked me if I would fill in on like a holiday or two, and I was like, that's cool. I love sports, why not? And I needed a producer and he was producing and I said, hey, man, do you want to produce this sports show? I didn't know him, and he was like, yeah, I would love to. That's how we knew each other. Then he came as an intern on the show. He was never a paid employee in Austin before I moved to Nashville, but I knew he wanted to be, and I was trying to help him find a job in some other city anywhere, because Ray just wanted to go and work and make a living out of doing radio. And I called him in the office and I knew I was going to Nashville, and I said, hey, man, I think I got you an offer in a different city. Do you care where it is? But I can't tell you right now? And he's like, I don't care. I'm going. Said, okay, I can tell you that city where the offer is, but I can't tell you really the show because of some legals. He's like, it's fine. I said, I really trust this show and I think you're gonna do great there, and they want you as like the head audio producer and he's cloud nine, like is the most exciting thing ever to him, and I get it because I know what that felt like. And I said, the show's in Nashville, but I can't say much else, and he's like, this is awesome. I'm moving to Nashville. And it was a while before I coul tell him the show was actually me and that he was going to move with us, and his first paid job was with me in Nashville and now paid. Ray has been thirteen years man looking back at all the guys on the show, like Amy and Lunchbox, about just about twenty years, Ray thirteen years, Eddie thirteen fourteen years. Like our crew has been together a long time. But I would say that's a behind the scenes story that really doesn't get shared a whole lot. I haven't really thought about it. I'll do a couple more. We're just doing fifty minutes. Oh, this is full fifty minutes club here. What's the most overrated artist of all time? We talked about this on the radio show recently. I can go into a little more depth on mine. I think the most overrated artist of all time is a band, and I think it's Youtwoe. Now that doesn't mean I don't think they're good or even great, because I do really like you too, but I think it's okay to say you two is really good, but also feel they're a bit overrated, and I can give you some reasons they get classic airplay consideration, like on classic rock stations for songs that weren't even hits, like Vertigo wasn't even a hit. It plays on classic rock, like just because they're you two, they just play their songs and I can get it more to that just because they're you two. But even like Elevation, that's not sweet Child of Mind and that's not smells like teen Spirit, So it gets played on like classic rock and even alternative stations they won't even hit back in the day. Okay, that's a dumb one, but I'll put it there. Bono at times is so annoying that his persona, the character he plays, gonna overshadow the music and make you not like the band. Now. I think it's great to be an activist, but I feel like he's activist first, and maybe his glasses just pissed me off. Like those glasses aren't even real sunglasses. I'm wearing sunglasses right now because I got lights right in my eyeballs, but like he wears the clear ones, they're not even sunglasses. But I feel like Bono's like Messiah complex even at times, and I don't know them, but that can dominate the narrative of youtwo. So even if the music's good. People that really love Bono are like, no, no, it's different. It's different. The iTunes thing still hits people because back in the day twenty fourteen ish, it was before the Couple in the World Series, but not way before the Couple in the World Series, that album Songs of Innocence was put on everybody's freaking iPod or iPhone. I guess I had to be iphoned. And so there was this You two album that wasn't even that good on everybody's iPhone. That did not help their legacy. And I remember they gave You away to delete it like a week later. That was significant. They haven't had a really good album in like twenty years. I looked when we were doing the segment for the show. They really haven't had anything in twenty twenty five years. And then it's almost like they've been treated as untouchable gods, like rock and roll gods. They do deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I do like you too, but they have been basically the moral compass of rock, and that can wear thin when every album that comes out is also like attached to a global cause, and I love global causes. I do sign me up for more global causes. But it's like every album that comes out, it's like a different rainforest or something. It's like, bro, sometimes we just want a song to sing. It's like a Ted Talk. I don't need a Ted Talk for every song that you put out, Bono, but I do like you too, that's the weird thing. But I would say I think you two has absolutely earned their place in rock and roll Hall of Fame. I just don't think they need a throne inside the rock and Roll Hall of Fame to sit on and look down upon others.