Robert Stheeman has borrowed more than £3 trillion for the government in his 21 years running the Debt Management Office. He's been speaking to Bloomberg about the challenges of raising debt through a pandemic, the 2008 financial crash, and Liz Truss's premiership.

Bloomberg's Alice Gledhill brings us details of her interview. Plus: the Resolution Foundation forecasts average rents will rise by 13% over the next three years. Senior economist Cara Pacitti tells us what's gone wrong in the housing market, and how it could be fixed. Hosted by Stephen Carroll and Lizzy Burden.