Making your job your whole personality is risky business. Because what happens to your sense of self if you lose your job... or eventually decide to move on from it?

In this episode of BIZ, hosts Em and Lisa are joined by author, optimist and Junkee Media founder, Tim Duggan to help you figure out who you are without your job title. 

Our BIZ hosts are Lisa Lie - a former Head of People & Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia’s Em Vernem.

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EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Making your job your whole personality is risky business. Because what happens to your sense of self if you lose your job... or eventually decide to move on from it?
In this episode of BIZ, hosts Em and Lisa are joined by author, optimist and Junkee Media founder,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/tim_duggan/?hl=en">Tim Duggan</a> to help you figure out who you are without your job title.&nbsp;
Our BIZ hosts are&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-lie-42b705a1/?originalSubdomain=au">Lisa Lie</a> - a former Head of People &amp; Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en">Em Vernem</a>.
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HOSTS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a> and<a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en"> Em Vernem</a>
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

BIZ is a podcast about work and how to make it work for you.

This season, we're promising new wisdom, fresh energy, and zero fluff. Co-hosts Em Vernem (ambitious but efficient) and Lisa Lie (founder of Learna) bring real talk, real hacks, and real experience. No vague inspo, no recycled advice—just smart, straight-up strategies that actually work. Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

BIZ is a podcast about work and how to make it work for you.
This season, we're promising new wisdom, fresh energy, and zero fluff. Co-hosts Em Vernem (ambitious but efficient) and Lisa Lie (founder of Learna) bring real talk, real hacks, and real experience. No vague inspo, no recycled advice&mdash;just smart, straight-up strategies that actually work. Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.
Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

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Junkee Founder Tim Duggan On Finding Identity Outside Of Your Job Title 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/3ea926be-9be7-482a-8ac3-a44f016e43d1/clips/87db523d-eb9a-4484-b0a4-b48900643be0/transcript

Everyone loves the idea of being their own boss. But what happens when your side gig becomes a real business?

In this episode of Biz, Lisa Lie chats with Cherie Clonan, CEO of The Digital Picnic, about what it actually takes to make the leap from employee or freelancer to business owner.

Cherie gets brutally honest about the reality of building a business with bub in tow: three years without a salary, the pressure of making payroll, the temptation to quit, and why business ownership isn't necessarily the freedom fantasy we're sold.

She explains how she knew The Digital Picnic had "legs", what changes when you go from selling your own time to building a team, and why the biggest leap might actually come after becoming a freelancer.

Plus, Cherie shares her simple "horizons of growth" framework to balance the day-to-day work of keeping a business alive with the bigger ideas that drove you to start it all.

In this episode you'll also learn:
How to tell if your side hustle actually has legs
Why you don't necessarily need to quit your job to start a business
The reality of going years without paying yourself
The moment Cherie realised she had become the bottleneck in her own business
What changes when you hire your first employees

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HOST: Lisa Lie

GUEST: Cherie Clonan - The Digital Picnic 

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Everyone loves the idea of being their own boss. But what happens when your side gig becomes a real business?
In this episode of Biz, Lisa Lie chats with Cherie Clonan, CEO of The Digital Picnic, about what it actually takes to make the leap from employee or freelancer to business owner.
Cherie gets brutally honest about the reality of building a business with bub in tow: three years without a salary, the pressure of making payroll, the temptation to quit, and why business ownership isn't necessarily the freedom fantasy we're sold.
She explains how she knew The Digital Picnic had "legs", what changes when you go from selling your own time to building a team, and why the biggest leap might actually come after becoming a freelancer.
Plus, Cherie shares her simple "horizons of growth" framework to balance the day-to-day work of keeping a business alive with the bigger ideas that drove you to start it all.
In this episode you'll also learn:
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<li data-section-id="1n321dk" data-start="2672" data-end="2723">How to tell if your side hustle actually has legs</li>
<li data-section-id="y9apej" data-start="2724" data-end="2797">Why you don't necessarily need to quit your job to start a business</li>
<li data-section-id="13o2t6j" data-start="2798" data-end="2850">The reality of going years without paying yourself</li>
<li data-section-id="h6i46" data-start="2965" data-end="3043">The moment Cherie realised she had become the bottleneck in her own business</li>
<li data-section-id="8deib0" data-start="3044" data-end="3093">What changes when you hire your first employees</li>
</ul>
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HOST:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a>
GUEST: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/cherie-clonan/">Cherie Clonan</a> - <a href="https://www.thedigitalpicnic.com.au/">The Digital Picnic</a>&nbsp;
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Grit Or Quit? How To Know If Your Freelance Gig Will Explode

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/3ea926be-9be7-482a-8ac3-a44f016e43d1/clips/98b14fc5-3170-4654-8b0b-b4aa0067087a/transcript

What does it actually take to spot the next big business before everyone else? 

In this episode of Biz, Lisa Lie sits down with Phoebe Pincus, CEO of Startmate, who spends her days surrounded by founders, investors and a LOT of startup ideas.

Start up investing may sound intimidating, but Phoebe walks us through how to actually begin, where to find the right startups and what you need to know before putting your money behind them.

We get into the reality of how many startups fail for every success story, how investors can account for that when spreading their bets, and why investing in founders whose vision creates a future you actually want to be part of can become a powerful motivator.

In this episode you'll learn:
The power law principle and why startup investing is fundamentally different from traditional investing
Why getting a read on the founder trumps any other data points
How to spot the patterns that keep appearing in successful startups
The people skills that actually matter, and why successful startups are a much longer journey than they look from the outside
How to invest in a future you actually want to help create
Where to start if you've never invested in a startup before
How to find and gain access to the right startups

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Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes - send us a voice note or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon! 

HOST: Lisa Lie

GUEST: Pheobe Pincus - Startmate

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

What does it actually take to spot the next big business before everyone else?&nbsp;
In this episode of Biz,&nbsp;Lisa Lie sits down with Phoebe Pincus, CEO of Startmate, who spends her days surrounded by founders, investors and a LOT of startup ideas.
Start up investing may sound intimidating, but Phoebe walks us through how to actually begin, where to find the right startups and what you need to know before putting your money behind them.
We get into the reality of how many startups fail for every success story, how investors can account for that when spreading their bets, and why investing in founders whose vision creates a future you actually want to be part of can become a powerful motivator.
In this episode you'll learn:
<ul data-start="1788" data-end="2416">
<li data-section-id="1e5cxr0" data-start="1788" data-end="1887">The power law principle and why startup investing is fundamentally different from traditional investing</li>
<li data-section-id="z8mdyp" data-start="1888" data-end="1957">Why getting a read on the founder trumps any other data points</li>
<li data-section-id="z8mdyp" data-start="1888" data-end="1957">How to spot the patterns that keep appearing in successful startups</li>
<li data-section-id="1m361it" data-start="2030" data-end="2157">The people skills that actually matter, and why successful startups are a much longer journey than they look from the outside</li>
<li data-section-id="1freh8p" data-start="2238" data-end="2298">How to invest in a future you actually want to help create</li>
<li data-section-id="j2xqc" data-start="2299" data-end="2360">Where to start if you've never invested in a startup before</li>
<li data-section-id="3q53j0" data-start="2361" data-end="2416">How to find and gain access to the right startups</li>
</ul>
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HOST:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a>
GUEST: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/phoebe-pincus-a84150170/">Pheobe Pincus</a> - <a href="https://www.startmate.com/">Startmate</a>
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

How To Invest In Startups Without Knowing What You're Doing

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There aren't many certainties in life... but tax is one of them. And look, on the surface it doesn't come across as the sexiest of topics, but burying your head in the sand is a surefire way to create unnecessary stress in your life. The sooner you get your head around tax, the less you'll have to think about it.

In this episode of BIZ, Lisa and Em chat to the Managing Director of HNRY to unpack the misconceptions many people have about tax and how understanding it is essential, especially if you're a business owner, sole trader or make extra income outside of your regular employment. 

In this episode you'll learn:
What you can actually claim as a work expense
The pros and cons of different business structures when it comes to tax
The tax incentives for superannuation contributions 
Why a tax refund might not be a good thing
How to manage your taxes when you're self-employed

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Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes - send us a voice note or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon! 

HOSTS: Lisa Lie and Em Vernem

GUEST: Karan Anand - Managing Director & Chief Strategy Officer at HNRY (Check them out if you're a sole trader and want to automate your tax!)

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

There aren't many certainties in life... but tax is one of them. And look, on the surface it doesn't come across as the sexiest of topics, but burying your head in the sand is a surefire way to create unnecessary stress in your life. The sooner you get your head around tax, the less you'll have to think about it. In this episode of BIZ, Lisa and Em chat to the Managing Director of HNRY to unpack the misconceptions many people have about tax and how understanding it is essential, especially if you're a business owner, sole trader or make extra income outside of your regular employment.&nbsp;
In this episode you'll learn:
<ul data-start="1761" data-end="2125">
<li data-section-id="12gzpbz" data-start="1761" data-end="1822">What you can actually claim as a work expense</li>
<li data-section-id="12gzpbz" data-start="1761" data-end="1822">The pros and cons of different business structures when it comes to tax</li>
<li data-section-id="12gzpbz" data-start="1761" data-end="1822">The tax incentives for superannuation contributions&nbsp;</li>
<li data-section-id="12gzpbz" data-start="1761" data-end="1822">Why a tax refund might not be a good thing</li>
<li data-section-id="12gzpbz" data-start="1761" data-end="1822">How to manage your taxes when you're self-employed</li>
</ul>
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HOSTS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a> and<a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en"> Em Vernem</a>
GUEST: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/karanviranand/">Karan Anand</a> - Managing Director &amp; Chief Strategy Officer at&nbsp;<a href="https://hnry.com.au/?utm_term=hnry%20tax&amp;utm_campaign=b+%7C+hnry+%7C+au&amp;utm_source=adwords&amp;utm_medium=ppc&amp;hsa_acc=9553240142&amp;hsa_cam=11698849175&amp;hsa_grp=108948133330&amp;hsa_ad=482122396781&amp;hsa_src=g&amp;hsa_tgt=kwd-359750379564&amp;hsa_kw=hnry%20tax&amp;hsa_mt=b&amp;hsa_net=adwords&amp;hsa_ver=3&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=11698849175&amp;gbraid=0AAAAADMS8J7kp1Tr2irNKTHnZh1tZk9CR&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjwkOvTBhDgARIsAKUNyRu3Km0V82WwiRnubw02u_uk_M-EVIwgM4wXFalvq2NBmiHCxemqgisaAiTPEALw_wcB">HNRY</a> (Check them out if you're a sole trader and want to automate your tax!)
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

The Thing About Income Tax You're Getting Wrong

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Junkee Founder Tim Duggan On Finding Identity Outside Of Your Job Title

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