Pivoting careers can seem like a daunting prospect. But changing course doesn't have to happen all at once. Sometimes professional pivots happen slowly over time. In this episode, Em and Lisa unpack their own career pivots, sharing the different approaches they took to change direction.

From applying for jobs you might not feel 100% qualified for, to identifying a market gap and building your own business, Em and Lisa share the challenges, fears and steps they took to pivot professionally.

Career coaches:
- Kate Richardson
- Claire Seeber

Our BIZ hosts are Lisa Lie - a former Head of People & Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia’s Em Vernem.

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HOSTS: Lisa Lie and Em Vernem

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Pivoting careers can seem like a daunting prospect. But changing course doesn't have to happen all at once. Sometimes professional pivots happen slowly over time. In this episode, Em and Lisa unpack their own career pivots, sharing the different approaches they took to change direction.
From applying for jobs you might not feel 100% qualified for, to identifying a market gap and building your own business, Em and Lisa share the challenges, fears and steps they took to pivot professionally.
Career coaches: - <a href="https://www.katerichardson.co/?gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=21122863371&amp;gbraid=0AAAAAppkWKwS-mZuzPn04t8asVTHyPbKH&amp;gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpMrX5tjClQMVJ2wPAh2wmBBLEAAYASAAEgJspPD_BwE">Kate Richardson</a> - <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/claireseeber/">Claire Seeber</a>
Our BIZ hosts are&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-lie-42b705a1/?originalSubdomain=au">Lisa Lie</a> - a former Head of People &amp; Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en">Em Vernem</a>.
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HOSTS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a> and<a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en"> Em Vernem</a>
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

BIZ is a podcast about work and how to make it work for you.

This season, we're promising new wisdom, fresh energy, and zero fluff. Co-hosts Em Vernem (ambitious but efficient) and Lisa Lie (founder of Learna) bring real talk, real hacks, and real experience. No vague inspo, no recycled advice—just smart, straight-up strategies that actually work. Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

BIZ is a podcast about work and how to make it work for you.
This season, we're promising new wisdom, fresh energy, and zero fluff. Co-hosts Em Vernem (ambitious but efficient) and Lisa Lie (founder of Learna) bring real talk, real hacks, and real experience. No vague inspo, no recycled advice&mdash;just smart, straight-up strategies that actually work. Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.
Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

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How The BIZ Hosts Pivoted Their Own Careers

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