What if changing careers didn't have to feel like jumping off a cliff while risking that sweet comfort you already enjoy? In this episode, career coach Kate Richardson shares a practical roadmap for making a career change with less fear and more confidence.

From working out whether your new passion could actually become a viable career, to navigating a change when you're already running on empty, Kate shares the questions, frameworks and small experiments that can help you move forward without risking everything.

Career Coach recommendation: Kate Richardson

More on this topic from one of our eps in last season...
5 Steps To Make A Career Pivot That Actually Works 

Our BIZ hosts are Lisa Lie - a former Head of People & Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia’s Em Vernem.

If you want to build skills fast check outLearna

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HOSTS: Lisa Lie and Em Vernem

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

What if changing careers didn't have to feel like jumping off a cliff while risking that sweet comfort you already enjoy? In this episode, career coach Kate Richardson shares a practical roadmap for making a career change with less fear and more confidence.
From working out whether your new passion could actually become a viable career, to navigating a change when you're already running on empty, Kate shares the questions, frameworks and small experiments that can help you move forward without risking everything.
Career Coach recommendation: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katerichardson/">Kate Richardson</a> More on this topic from one of our eps in last season... <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/careerpivots-biz/">5 Steps To Make A Career Pivot That Actually Works</a>&nbsp;
Our BIZ hosts are&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-lie-42b705a1/?originalSubdomain=au">Lisa Lie</a> - a former Head of People &amp; Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en">Em Vernem</a>.
If you want to build skills fast check out <a href="https://www.learna-app.com">Learna</a> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKymlmzzCYg/?igsh=aXR6ZGN4emQ4bmdk"> </a><a href="https://mamamia.au/3Eli0BR">Sign up to the BIZ newsletter here</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> </a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> </a>THE END BITS <a href="https://mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=quicky&amp;utm_content=mm-birthday&amp;code=TQBIRTHDAY">Support independent women's media</a>. Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes -<a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960"> send us a voice note</a> or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon!&nbsp;
HOSTS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a> and<a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en"> Em Vernem</a>
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

BIZ is a podcast about work and how to make it work for you.

This season, we're promising new wisdom, fresh energy, and zero fluff. Co-hosts Em Vernem (ambitious but efficient) and Lisa Lie (founder of Learna) bring real talk, real hacks, and real experience. No vague inspo, no recycled advice—just smart, straight-up strategies that actually work. Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

BIZ is a podcast about work and how to make it work for you.
This season, we're promising new wisdom, fresh energy, and zero fluff. Co-hosts Em Vernem (ambitious but efficient) and Lisa Lie (founder of Learna) bring real talk, real hacks, and real experience. No vague inspo, no recycled advice&mdash;just smart, straight-up strategies that actually work. Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.
Because work is hard enough without having to figure it all out yourself.

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The Fear Proof Way To Change Careers At Any Age

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Are you, or someone you work with, a perfectionist?

If you have perfectionist tendencies, it can be frustrating to work alongside people who don't because you feel like they don't care enough about the work. And if you don't identify as a perfectionist but have to work with someone who is? Well, it can be equally challenging because things can be overworked, delayed, or shared way too late for fear of things not being 'good enough'.

In this episode, Em and Lisa unpack how to work with perfectionists, how to manage your own perfectionist traits, and how to give feedback to people who might not be the best at receiving it. 

Plus, Lisa shares another one of her go-to frameworks that can help you let go of 'perfect' and move forward faster. 

Our BIZ hosts are Lisa Lie - a former Head of People & Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia’s Em Vernem.

Book recommendation: The Trusted Advisor by Charles Green 

And if you want some fast skills fromLearna:
Check out 'Build trust fast' in Learna.
Click the link below on mobile to get into it:
https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-aSenXj6878

Or check out 'Naming your value at work' in Learna.
Click the link below on mobile to get into it:
https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-lSlExM4482 

Sign up to the BIZ newsletter here

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Support independent women's media.
Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes - send us a voice note or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon! 

HOSTS: Lisa Lie and Em Vernem

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Are you, or someone you work with, a perfectionist?
If you have perfectionist tendencies, it can be frustrating to work alongside people who don't because you feel like they don't care enough about the work. And if you don't identify as a perfectionist but have to work with someone who is? Well, it can be equally challenging because things can be overworked, delayed, or shared way too late for fear of things not being 'good enough'.
In this episode, Em and Lisa unpack how to work with perfectionists, how to manage your own perfectionist traits, and how to give feedback to people who might not be the best at receiving it.&nbsp;
Plus, Lisa shares another one of her go-to frameworks that can help you let go of 'perfect' and move forward faster.&nbsp;
Our BIZ hosts are&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-lie-42b705a1/?originalSubdomain=au">Lisa Lie</a> - a former Head of People &amp; Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en">Em Vernem</a>.
Book recommendation:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-trusted-advisor-charles-green/book/9781982157104.html?source=pla&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=22225225579&amp;gbraid=0AAAAA-Ia9hPQxvzl-lQkc5Qat5vP_5vta&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjw5ZXQBhBdEiwAI5XVWaZaaNEqRdQ2xMrg4zNOOKITKi_KZGJRERAq0UdMu-7ybHkVz5joWhoCO2kQAvD_BwE">The Trusted Advisor by Charles Green </a> And if you want some fast skills from <a href="https://www.learna-app.com">Learna</a>: Check out 'Build trust fast' in Learna. Click the link below on mobile to get into it: <a href="https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-aSenXj6878">https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-aSenXj6878</a> Or check out 'Naming your value at work' in Learna. Click the link below on mobile to get into it: <a href="https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-lSlExM4482">https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-lSlExM4482</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKymlmzzCYg/?igsh=aXR6ZGN4emQ4bmdk"> </a><a href="https://mamamia.au/3Eli0BR">Sign up to the BIZ newsletter here</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> </a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> </a>THE END BITS <a href="https://mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=quicky&amp;utm_content=mm-birthday&amp;code=TQBIRTHDAY">Support independent women's media</a>. Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes -<a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960"> send us a voice note</a> or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon!&nbsp;
HOSTS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a> and<a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en"> Em Vernem</a>
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

How To Work With Perfectionists (Even If You Are One)

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You know that feeling when someone joins a project and you instantly relax?

And then there are the people who somehow create more meetings, more emails, more confusion and more work for everyone around them.

In this episode, Em and Lisa unpack the small workplace habits that make people easy to work with, and the ones that quietly make things harder.

They share practical ways to reduce friction, improve collaboration and become the colleague everyone wants on their team.

Plus, Lisa shares a simple meeting framework that could save you hours every week. If you've ever wondered why some people seem to make work feel effortless, this episode is for you.

Our BIZ hosts are Lisa Lie - a former Head of People & Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia’s Em Vernem.

Book recommendation: The Trusted Advisor by Charles Green 

And if you want some fast skills fromLearna:
Check out 'Build trust fast' in Learna.
Click the link below on mobile to get into it:
https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-aSenXj6878

Or check out 'Naming your value at work' in Learna.
Click the link below on mobile to get into it:
https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-lSlExM4482 

Sign up to the BIZ newsletter here

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Support independent women's media.
Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes - send us a voice note or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon! 

HOSTS: Lisa Lie and Em Vernem

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

You know that feeling when someone joins a project and you instantly relax?
And then there are the people who somehow create more meetings, more emails, more confusion and more work for everyone around them.
In this episode, Em and Lisa unpack the small workplace habits that make people easy to work with, and the ones that quietly make things harder.
They share practical ways to reduce friction, improve collaboration and become the colleague everyone wants on their team.
Plus, Lisa shares a simple meeting framework that could save you hours every week.&nbsp;If you've ever wondered why some people seem to make work feel effortless, this episode is for you.
Our BIZ hosts are&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-lie-42b705a1/?originalSubdomain=au">Lisa Lie</a> - a former Head of People &amp; Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en">Em Vernem</a>.
Book recommendation:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-trusted-advisor-charles-green/book/9781982157104.html?source=pla&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=22225225579&amp;gbraid=0AAAAA-Ia9hPQxvzl-lQkc5Qat5vP_5vta&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjw5ZXQBhBdEiwAI5XVWaZaaNEqRdQ2xMrg4zNOOKITKi_KZGJRERAq0UdMu-7ybHkVz5joWhoCO2kQAvD_BwE">The Trusted Advisor by Charles Green </a> And if you want some fast skills from <a href="https://www.learna-app.com">Learna</a>: Check out 'Build trust fast' in Learna. Click the link below on mobile to get into it: <a href="https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-aSenXj6878">https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-aSenXj6878</a> Or check out 'Naming your value at work' in Learna. Click the link below on mobile to get into it: <a href="https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-lSlExM4482">https://www.learna-app.com?id=l-lSlExM4482</a>&nbsp; <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKymlmzzCYg/?igsh=aXR6ZGN4emQ4bmdk"> </a><a href="https://mamamia.au/3Eli0BR">Sign up to the BIZ newsletter here</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> </a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> </a>THE END BITS <a href="https://mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=quicky&amp;utm_content=mm-birthday&amp;code=TQBIRTHDAY">Support independent women's media</a>. Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes -<a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960"> send us a voice note</a> or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon!&nbsp;
HOSTS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a> and<a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en"> Em Vernem</a>
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

People Don't Remember How Hard You Worked. They Remember This Instead

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There's no denying AI is changing the way we work. So how can we stay up to date with the evolving workplace while retaining our critical thinking skills?

In this episode, Lisa and Em chat to Inventium's Amantha Imber about how we can use AI as tool without relying on it. From how to write good prompts to having voice-to-voice conversations with AI,  this episode explores the ways AI can help with busy work and the impact AI is having on what is valued in the workplace.

What you'll learn:

• AI prompting 101

• How to get your AI to get to know you

• Why volume has lost value in the workplace 

• How to have a voice-to-voice conversation with AI

Our BIZ hosts are Lisa Lie - a former Head of People & Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia’s Em Vernem.

Learna is Lisa’s microlearning app for practical people skills at work. Expert-led lessons to build confidence, solve challenges, and work smarter - in under 7 minutes. Get it on Apple or Google Play.

Sign up to the BIZ newsletter here

Lisa's favourite AI shortcut: Prompt Cowboy - #1 prompt generator

Amantha's AI training programs: Inventium AI | World-Class AI Training Programs

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Support independent women's media.
Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes - send us a voice note or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon! 

HOSTS: Lisa Lie and Em Vernem

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser

SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion
VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

There's no denying AI is changing the way we work. So how can we stay up to date with the evolving workplace while retaining our critical thinking skills?
In this episode, Lisa and Em chat to Inventium's Amantha Imber about how we can use AI as tool without relying on it. From how to write good prompts to having voice-to-voice conversations with AI,&nbsp; this episode explores the ways AI can help with busy work and the impact AI is having on what is valued in the workplace.
What you'll learn:
&bull; AI prompting 101
&bull; How to get your AI to get to know you
&bull; Why volume has lost value in the workplace&nbsp;
&bull; How to have a voice-to-voice conversation with AI
Our BIZ hosts are&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-lie-42b705a1/?originalSubdomain=au">Lisa Lie</a> - a former Head of People &amp; Culture and Organisational Coach - and Mamamia&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en">Em Vernem</a>.
<a href="https://www.learna-app.com/">Learna</a> is Lisa&rsquo;s microlearning app for practical people skills at work. Expert-led lessons to build confidence, solve challenges, and work smarter - in under 7 minutes. Get it on <a href="https://apps.apple.com/au/app/learna-people-skills/id6443828538">Apple</a> or <a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details/Learna?id=user.learnaapp.com&amp;hl=en-AU">Google Play</a>. <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKymlmzzCYg/?igsh=aXR6ZGN4emQ4bmdk"> </a><a href="https://mamamia.au/3Eli0BR">Sign up to the BIZ newsletter here</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> Lisa's favourite AI shortcut: </a><a href="https://www.promptcowboy.ai/">Prompt Cowboy - #1 prompt generator</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> Amantha's AI training programs: </a><a href="https://www.inventium.ai/">Inventium AI | World-Class AI Training Programs</a> <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/biz/ep-1-pay-rise"> </a>THE END BITS <a href="https://mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=quicky&amp;utm_content=mm-birthday&amp;code=TQBIRTHDAY">Support independent women's media</a>. Got a work life dilemma? Send us all the questions you definitely can't ask your boss for our Biz Inbox episodes -<a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960"> send us a voice note</a> or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au. You can remain anon!&nbsp;
HOSTS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisa.lie_learna/?hl=en">Lisa Lie</a> and<a href="https://www.instagram.com/emilyvernem/?hl=en"> Em Vernem</a>
EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Courtney Ammenhauser
SENIOR PRODUCER: Thom Lion VIDEO PRODUCER: Marlena Cacciotti
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

How To Use AI Tools To Work At A Higher Level

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The Fear Proof Way To Change Careers At Any Age

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