BIG FACTS feat. KENNY BURNS

Published Sep 20, 2023, 1:55 AM

Kenny Burns has an in depth conversation with BIG FACTS about Hip-Hop, Black Culture, his career accomplishments, Sexy Ref and more. 

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It's Big Bank, DJ Screen, Baby Jay Special guests on Big Fast Today.

The dream is real.

Kenny Burns is here whatever.

Welcome Kenny, Welcome, welcome, welcome. How you feeling my brother?

Amazing? You know the Trap Museum is always nostalgia for me. Yeah, at l from the floor. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. Congratulations.

Dream flowers all around, flowers all around, flowers all round.

Yeah, so hot hot? How did this? How did this start for you? Kenny? Like? What what was the beginning.

Of you, you know, h introducing yourself to this culture?

How did this start for Kenny Burns? Start at the top? Take you back to d C. In high school.

I was in the streets and Puffy used to go to Howard and they used to do these parties.

You know what I mean.

He was affiliated with music, so being young, you know what I'm saying, Like growing up being like Uptown Records was my soundtrack Heavy D and the Boys, Mary J. Blige to see like all Christopher Williams father them. See, so I just wanted to be where it was. You know, you're young, trying to get in the mix. And then my senior year in high school, I was a basketball scot star and got locked up. And so my cousin had ended up coming to Atlanta to go to Moorhouse and he was like, man, you gotta come to Freaknick.

I'm like, what the fuck is the freak Nick?

I'm you know what I'm saying, about to be in nineteen He's like, you gotta come to Freaknik. I'm telling you. So came down Freaknick ninety two, and then I went home, made a few plays, and moved down here that fall to ten Morris Brown College, the newly reins.

Reaccredited. So yeah, that's my that's my origin story.

And then coming here in ninety two, you know that's the year Chris crossold four million records. La Fay said, planet their flag and the soul here heavy. You know, Dallas Austin was doing his thing, Jermaine was doing their thing.

Kelo a Lee was running it.

See people don't give Kilo a Lei enough credit, you know what I'm saying, Now, the first ATL music I was Tony Mercedes was doing their thing.

You had Smurf.

Yeah, we had a couple of things on you know what I'm saying, DJ Tooth rather on camp records, like you had things moving. But I got curious, you know, and I started throwing funk clinic Fridays on Friday night. And KP and I on the flight back yesterday from the VP's house or this weekend. Yeah, big shout to Kawan Praile, And you know, we were just talking about the beginning, man, like nobody knew you know what I'm talking about.

Like I was the auc guy who threw all the parties.

But then we kind of bled into the streets through affiliation, and you know, we started Dion's twenty one, our Capons one twelve.

Like we just running them up.

And we was nineteen years old, you know what I'm saying, driving that shit, putting that shit, you know, and everybody.

Say, what do y'all do? How do y'all? How do y'all move like this?

All right, So I feel like you're being slightly modest in your early accomplishments. So I want you to kind of give us some of the names that you introduced to the city when you started the twenty six twenty entertainment.

Yeah. I was the first to bring jay Z here.

Okay.

We bought the Big Mac promo with Biggie Smalls and Craig Mac. Oh shit, okay, I mean just I mean all the legends.

You know.

We did the Snoop tour at the Omni popt you from here, you know, but he got locked up in the castle. But anyway, so we were the first to bring a lot of that energy here. But we were really the first, like to give outcast of stage, for the for the for the school, for the AUC we I mean, any artist that was, anybody we brought. And I'm better at talking about you, Jade than talking about myself. I've been outside for a long time.

What was that moment when you knew, like, damn, Atlanta's shit.

When I touched freaking ninety two, I had never seen so many black people from all over the country in one place.

And then by coming here and then being.

Acclimated into the street culture of Atlanta, they had something to say, you know, I mean four years later, I'm sorry, what two years after I moved here, Andre poetically said that of the Source Awards, which I was dead with a group called Illegal because I was working with rowdy records, so big shots of Jamal and Malie and then I have a crazy story actually about the Source of Awards. Hear it? Yeah, But anyway, so so many things you know I've happened in transpired. But I knew Atlanta was it because of the culture that it was becoming. It was you know, New York and l A had been running everything in the South, really standing on the you know, the shoulders and civil rights.

You know what I'm saying, Like all the.

Black people with money were moving here anyway, but a lot of people don't know that, you know what I'm saying. So you know, I just got ingrained in the culture and became a part of the fabric that is Atlanta today.

What's the biggest change you've seen since you've been here, Like from then and now?

And when you think it shift.

It's shipt when outcasts came out. I think because prior to that, I mean, the school was the school. You had a lot of people moving here and staying after they graduated. Right, you had great prices you can get you know, affordable home. You know, the middle class here like really runs the city still to this day. And I look at it like when Outcasts came out, though, it was like the culmination of everything you know what I'm saying, we had ever heard come out the South. If you look at what the South was prior of it was booty shape music and predominantly Miami, Miami influence, you know what I'm saying. And you had rappers, you know what I'm saying, You had people here, but like Kilo was the freshest thing that sounded more like the street.

City and the streets, you know what I'm saying, the culture.

And I feel like when Outcasts came, no, it was like no holes bar because they came out, you know, looking like Atlanta dope boys. It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't the you know, it wasn't the show. Yeah, it wasn't the show yet. And when they came up with Southern playlist and kind of like music, it was over because.

They were rapping, you know what I'm talking about.

And then you know, Dre had on the braves make like you know what I'm saying, They were repping Atlanta, and it was too many people that had came through Atlanta because I equal DC a lot of the time, especially for the eighties when you look at d C, DC was a drive through for everything. You had, Herbie Love, Bud Come still, the entire go go sound and made hit with Salt and Pepper. You know what I'm saying. All the people, you know what I'm saying. And you look at that with Atlanta. People's coming to Atlanta getting that energy, but they wasn't giving Atlanta credit. And I think our cast stamped like who we were and what we were going to be. So what what? What?

What? What?

What disturbs you the most coming to Atlanta then and knowing you can just kick it in Atlanta and just the vibe of it, right yeah, and fast forward and the vibe being a little different now, right, Like what disturbs you the most about this city and our culture just everything, and just the energy and the vibe currently now.

Yeah, I mean these niggas ain't hustled, no more than thieves. They scammers. They standing on like shit that ain't cold, you know what I'm saying about, Like I don't. I denounced all street shit I was involved with, and I've been locked up, been a part of case I didn't been involved in it all, but we glorifying to.

The point of destruction.

And that's what the most disturbing thing about Atlanta is for me, because it still is the blackest, most beautiful city in the world for opportunity. I mean, La and New York used to be the big city of dreams. Atlanta is that and we don't even slow down. And the real problem is is people accepting the bullshit from us. That's the real I wish I had my motherfucker, but it's horrible the way people represent themselves, let alone our city.

Unbelievable.

You become millionaires, you know better, you do better, you don't stand on the bullshit. The bullshit has gotten everybody where they're at right now.

Facts was too low trying to find the hord. But now what you.

Said, so speaking of the current state of the city of Atlanta, recently, you were on Earning your Leisure and I had to I had to go back and like re listened to it because a lot of people were trying to give you a lot of flak because they thought that you had said that when the Yaseel and YFN cruise were arrested that the murder rate in the city went down thirty five percent, but it was actually you said that one of your producers was doing a documentary on the District Attorney's office and they were provided that information. But aside from that fact, how do you really feel about that statement?

Do you really feel like.

The murder rate actually went down thirty five percent or do you think that because of these two specific individual people or do you feel like overall it just kind of slowed down for whatever reason.

Well, first of all, the mayor came out I think two weeks later and said exact same fact. The mayor so, and he didn't mention any names. The information was told to me as it was told, you know what I'm saying. But I feel like, at the end of the day, you know they and I'm talking about the Fanny Willis's office, they set up precedence to what's going to be going on with these ricos and how they're coming after our people, after our kids. Because I'm fifty years old, so I have no like skinning the game other than to tell people the facts. I want these youngers to be terrified, to be honest, because they making these mistakes based on what they think they should be doing rather than what they should be doing. So with that fact, I just repeated something that was told to me that eventually came out and stamped by a mayor.

He didn't say names.

The other piece of that was, at the end of the day, you know, if and you're seeing everything that's going on, I don't have to say nothing, like you see what's going on, people getting convicted, people planing, people telling all the shit that they're not supposed to be doing. My thing is they after y'all, every last one of y'all. Don't think you not on the board. These people on the board, they in there right now. Affiliation is everything. They just they about to come out with a law that if you associated with some gangster shit that you on the list.

We already know conspiracy exists.

They talking about actually gang like that if you are part of a gang, if you are put on this board, that you have no rights that they could take you to jail based on conspiracy. Y'all all know how conspiracy work, right, Yeah, that don't even They ain't even gotta have proof, right, So, how many of us know gangsters?

How many of us be around gangsters?

Like it's not it's not but but the thing is, we gotta make the shit uncool. I was talking to bank one week and we were just having a conversation. If you made something lame, ain't nobody gonna do it no more, Not black folks. We staying on cool. Everything we stand on what we know to be true, and that that's a sad fact. On what we know to be true is death miside. I just need to spare and destruction. That's sad in fact. And I'm not listening as a man, not only a you know, father, the two young boys married twenty four years. I've been a mentor to all y'all on some level and a person that gives back to my entire community. Don't nobody give me no money a kind The only motherfucker ever gave me one hundred thousand to say thank you. I ain't got no kick I ain't never asked for no kickback. It's about helping people, and I'm helping people now, now, mind you, let's let's clear. Let's clear that one little thing up. I had a whole lot to say about that, and that kind of got because to your question of where Atlanta is and what is making me upset about Atlanta. That was part of that conversation that wasn't no one off like I'm just going for somebody and I and I know Lucia, I don't know the like that never been in any really you know, surroundings with you, and nor do I wish anybody, But I want my youngest that are not affected by what's going on with why I say, and wife and to understand that they are coming for you.

They are coming for you. This is not like you can't do nothing.

I don't know what y'all thinking, y'all getting away with or what y'all texting and cast they know, Nigga, have you ever spoke to the phone and the shit pop up in your Instagram and you don't think they can understand where you at, what you're doing, how to find you.

I'm terrified for.

The youngest because again, people out here killing for sport. It ain't even know getting money, no more like we're having to get money. Stay low, you know what I'm saying, have some fun, travel the world, investing in something to make a way out.

They want to kill.

Killing is fun, So I just get into the and I'm not again I'm not saying nobody killed no, I don't know nothing. I'm saying what they gonna do to these young is and how y'all gonna keep being tricked into the system.

It's a sad it's a no way our situation.

I feel sad for my generation because we made it a trillion dollar business. My generation made it a trillion dollar We had a trillion We not at no, we got multiple billionaires. Like we're gonna stop the train because you want to kill somebody. You don't wanna get money and live and and and fuck with girls whatever your thinking. You don't want to do that. You want to kill and all the songs is about killing you sliding on everybody. That's why, I mean, why I be bugging out? How your smile be in the middle of all that fucking dysfunction? How can this light even exist?

Damn that's coy.

Yeah, that's yeah.

And it's listen, man, it's listen. Everybody can change, but we gotta do the work. Do you think the music dictate the energy of the just?

Other world? Here? Come on back?

You you've been how long you I known you for at least twenty? Right, you've seen the culture change in Atlanta from the party when I was dominating the club. What was going on, hands in the air. You was me and your girlfriend, your wife, he was having children. Now niggas is I'm talking about the hookahs, Then let's just talking about the hookers. Hookahs gonna kill So I'm not just gonna somebody up in the club. We're gonna bust your mother up ahead on what you can't even have a good time? No more, you can't even have a good time. No more girls getting cold marks on their thighs looking like they've been beat up. Niggas is forty two niggas in the booth and four girls, and then the pretty girls act like niggas.

Shooting them motherfucking ratchets.

And I'm like, bitch, I'm sorry. I mean I said, I love black queens. I love you black queens. I want you to be better.

I just don't.

I don't understand though. It's unbelievable to it's mind blowing.

But is it just a shift in the world. Yeah, it's just as the world. So you're saying so, you're saying you basically.

They're gonna they're gonna trip you up in the Club's gonna fall and bust your head on.

The corner the table.

What I said is, do you think the music is the only thing that's got this ship?

How it is?

No?

Okay, what do you think?

I don't think so. I think.

The financial state of the economy contributes to a large part of it because it goes back to basically, for lack of a better way to put it, trying to keep up with the Joneses, like.

Niggas feel like they gotta have this. They gotta have that.

They gotta have the jewelry, they got to have, the designer clothes, they got to have all the shit that they really don't understand is totally irrelevant to actually being really successful. They feel like they have to put on an image to get the bitches to be cool with the other niggas, to you know, do certain things, and the need to want to have to do that is what is fueling the scamming, what is fueling the robbing, what is fueling like all the shit that is unsavory to our community.

I'm about to get your ass, Jake, and I love you. What it is the music, Because the music has always been the soundtrack to our lifestyle how we live like that's listen at the end of the day. If you hear all day long that bitches ain't ship, you gonna think bitches ain't ship now, women, the niggas ain't shit.

Hold look kb holdo, holdo, holdo.

Too short with saying this ship too hold let me say that. Let me say this it just with what we because we're actually seeing it too.

If imagine instagrams out when we have the majority bank though, No, I'm with you. With social media. I think it's social media.

No, I mean, but it's social media, but it's also the music. If again, we brainwashed, we are brainwashed saying the music.

Make you go on social media and do the ship you do. The music absolutely makes you do that.

We have not been the first time in hip hop history this year until like June we had a number one single album.

But I'm sinking.

I guess.

I guess that's kind of what I was trying to say too, Like the music is perpetuating this image that these kids or these street niggas or whoever feel like they have to keep up with.

And that's what's.

Fueling the music.

Is the street niggas or whoever to scam to.

Rob na scammers and a thief. No thief's a thief. If you're a fucking thief, or you know what I'm saying, you a thief. If you are scammer, you're fucking scammer. That's in you at nobody.

The motivation for the thieving.

And you can't. You can't.

You can't say that either can't be again, I gotta because broke a niggas anything a nigga broke.

Yeah, but you have course when I see I say, knowing you and your history, I can say about knowing your history us just clicking like recently I'm talking about some homie ship, but like knowing your history to see you change, nigga, no better to do better? You cannot. You aren't exact if you got them up every day. You gotta do this, you gotta pull that thing. You gotta do this for me. What you think he just said that they gonna do it because they broke. Yeah, that' I can this, motherfucking Michael first.

Yeah, let me get that.

It's a state of emergency, man, right you right by what you said says, I understand it.

How do we get them to see it?

You got to get lame.

You told me bro were on the podcast, but listen, we gotta make it lame.

You're right, we keep it. Man.

It was a time where any save bitch on the radio, we got. We ain't got no order in the street. We ain't got no order in fucking corporate marriage started.

Sweet. You know what I'm saying. What I'm doing it, you're doing it. You change your whole life.

What I tell you, I said, I told this man, I said, bro, you are the exaction. No I need you, cap I'm like, no, you don't. You literally would duck tape records, duck tape records.

What are you doing right now? Podcast? The fuck you? Man?

You better not edit that ship. And at the end of the day, you can't keep doing the same ship and inspect the same results.

We do it.

We do it to ourselves. And that's what I'm saying. And you know, I see I ain't never not get super love when I see you. And I don't make you feel no kind of way about nothing. If you've ever asked me for somebody tell you the truth. But we can't keep lying to ourselves. The music is the motherfucking soundtrack to our lives. It has always been our mama, eir grandmama Air church music.

Gospel has always been a light for us. RB pissy man. Yeah, you're right, but.

With the girls, experiment with girls for sake of trying some ship. Then now the gangster ship. You got niggas trying some ship that can't come back because once a nigga go, he gone, oh my god. And it's the problem is it's music.

It is the music.

You cannot tell me because that's what we are. Let me tell you telling them nigga do out there. No I love that.

DJ is gonna come through.

DJ always got the ship they backpack to get them chords on my bag. You're dead right, But bro, like at the end of the day, what we're supposed to do, we're supposed to continues to keep put. Even these executives, child, every executive, they all not all most of my men tease you signing bullshit.

But you got a son, you wouldn't want to do that.

You got a daughter that if she said my pussy pink and my asshole brown, you would lock her in her fucking room. That we don't have no structure, no more fuck freedom, fuck all that shit they saying about Oh women, no women hate men. Now men have been fucked up, and I'm saying that to everybody. Men have been fucked up and got been fucked up. We've been doing fucked up shit the whole time because we emulating the white man. The white man is the man that came stole America. It's slave black men. But we want to be like them motherfuckers. And I don't get me started on names good but nah, because you want to go viral, I want to I want to change the world.

My point is, at the.

End of the day, you got motherfuckers act like these motherfuckers overseers. We got a lot of men that's black men, that's overseerous. That's why people ain't got published. That's why people in dire straits.

That's so ho.

TLC ain't got no motherfucking money today. We got a real issue, but ain't nobody telling the truth? And they all can. It's like, yay, how you don't got that seat at the table? Brouh Like you broke through it broke through bigger than j puff anybody. How you don't got that seat because guess what happens to black men. Narcissism, our ego, fucking Trump's, our masculinity, masculine got nothing to do with shitting on nobody even femininity in women and their egos. The ego has taken over femininity. They call it feminist movie because they want to be no picture. I'm sorry, lady queen. You know the nigga come out some time. I'm trying to leave nigga, themb I am trying to escape me. But every time somebody talking about my ass sill my tennies, I'm free or it's free and you would do you really think there's a mystery about.

You now that go for man too.

You think it's you're talking about all this you got and you expecting a woman to come to you for something different than the money.

So I get frustrated and.

Listen and I get and I get frustrated because we let them cook. We have the answers, but we continuously not solving the problems.

The answers do the answers to not.

Do the shit. If I'm married twenty four years, but yeah I'm in the club talking about touch yourself. What the fuck that gonna do for my marriage? Or somebody looking at me thinking they got the calm or resolve that I got. Most nigas gonna take the motherfuckering the office.

Any else when I got big.

So ask your question, do you think that the budget and the funding for the shit that you're talking about to get it right can't come anywhere near the budget and the funding for the bullshit? You see what I'm saying, hey, because the bullshit is being funded on the level.

That on another planet. That's what I'm saying. They double down in on it.

But see the problem, every time they double down on something, they own folk come up to our side. So now you got them little white boys and girls, you know what I'm saying, getting in line with what we're doing, and they not with that. See the thing about hip hop, it's indestructible. The one thing in hip hop.

Culture is not is the music. And you can see that in the sales and what's going on.

Every Spanish afro beat white person that comes out with a sing song, you hook or some some you know what I'm saying, some some some some uh some riding and beating the bar. That's right, that's hip that's inspired by hip hop. But right now, bro, we are not Africa. Look at afro beats, bro, that's who's taking over there. That's them nigga, them nigga, making them sound nigga from the islands and ship and you don't be seeing them doing nothing crazy with love. I don't need no negativity or love.

They preaching love.

But then again, when you go over there, like he's saying, the life, the life and the lifestyle is different in Ghana, well, I just you know what I'm saying, Like it's different.

I'm a big fact for sure.

But the majority listen, the majority of the other undevelopment is fucked up. But people that want better do better. If you look at the regions and where they're successful, that's because they want to do better. If I'm gonna tell you and you get vouched for this, I ain't never done no business with you. I came out the blue because I saw you for what you were trying to do and change what I do.

I bought a check.

I ain't bring no come see me can I you know what I'm saying, And any time before that, I just called you what keep.

Going, nigga?

I ain't never had no motherfucker you know what I'm saying, and even for anybody else.

So I wanted I want to say it's it's the leaders. We got a lot of prosts.

Uh, it's the leaders. We have a lot of false profits. We got a lot of people want you. But it's like this whole financial literacy movement. How many Ponzi schemes versus actual education?

Do you see? You know what I'm saying, But see we all looking for a personal Jesus. Oh yeah, you never heard a pyramid scheme, nigga.

So let me let me ask you a serious question.

And I'm not talking about earning your leisure. They actually provide information.

Giving I won't.

I'm talking about the periodid sky today, A thousand ninety nine. We'renna give it you for two fifty. Come on, brother, this ain't God damn, but they do. Troy Miller, let me ask you a serious I can't left this mic this mother.

Not Like a few a few minutes ago, you were speaking on like the quote unquote overseers that are basically hindering our process or whatever. So would you equate those overseers to slave catchers?

Wow? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say slave catchers. But by your people, you're supposed to do better. We got too many people in deals that went through life fucked up because of somebody else's you know what I'm saying, overbearing power in their life.

You're saying basically in the buildings of niggas, siting right next to them, folk, just like knowing they trying you, just seeing if you're gonna go for it, you go for it cool if not being will.

Negotiate absolutely facts, big facts, every black fuck you were trying to fuck you off the bat.

No, but if any black executive walk out a building, they wouldn't know what to do. What you mean, if the black executives walked out of these entertainment colors, they would not know what to do. Yeah, but yet you signing what they want you to sign, because clear they got to be It can't be taste level, ladies and gentlemen, This music can't be taste level.

Yes to beat.

Yes, the melodies even like every Atlanta artists, they've always had that melody that makes you want to be a part of the song, meaning sing a law. You feel what I'm saying every artist New York. I mean I'm not just a New York artists. I think they're coming back, like they're coming back stronger than ever. Well, I don't know about ever, but they coming back. But a lot of influence on their music is from Atlanta. It's from singing, it's from the melody, it's from the writing, the beat, the way that we do right. But I want to say this, bro, and I want to speak to all you executives. It's y'all duty to sign. It's some amazing artists out here. And it's not that you can't tell stories about the hood and coming up. That's what we grip on too, that's what we're champion. But when you know better, you got to do better. You got to go back and put the motherfucker that was in your motherfucking position. You can't keep what's the word provential waiting the ship.

Yeah, So basically you're saying that it's on them to stand up and change the narrative.

We have to how many good parentsies. But a lot of your needga breaking through on some indie shit, Tuna. I was just about to say what, I don't need to break it through and you ain't got no trouble, but got them going to be with him. A lot of you niggas breaking through, Tuna. Listen, man, it's like the platform we're using for the come up program, big shout the amp. You know, we got CEO Trail, we got Pope Baby, we got goddamn Ken Carson be trying to give people the information. But even what we said about them as Nigga's going to sleep as we broke it down, you know what I'm saying, we were giving you know, with Pope Baby, he represented everything we done seen in Atlanta. Coach you ever Ken Carson named himself. I'm sorry, Ken Carson, he on his little uzzi, you know what I mean. But then you look at CEO Trade named himself Ceo. He want to be a boss. He got an idea who and what he wanted to be, you know what I'm saying. But they all need mentors to stand him in the right directtion. So what about the youth that just don't give a fuck about the mentors and the gatekeepers. If they don't give a fuck about that, they don't give a fuck about the world. In the world, Listen, we got Ken John Yung with nuclear fucking weekends. He just making nuclear bombs. You got you know, you could clearly see what Donald Trump tried to do. He wanted to take over. He wanted to become a dictator. He wanted to break out democracy down, become a dictator so he can put forth whatever he wants to go. People that like that are power hunker. They don't want nothing for us. You gotta want something for yourself. Our generation has never had nothing that we didn't make or give to ourselves.

Switch it a little bit, just dropping the back.

When you think that, it shift, like the music shift to that, Like what shift the music today.

After Gez tipping them? You know what I'm saying.

I think like as you got into the two thousands, it wasn't no more storytelling.

Saying when the trap.

I think when the trap came when Niggas brought you, right cause, because it's two sides of the trap. So when Niggas dropped, the hustlers came first, then the robbers came in.

It's two sides of the tramp of district.

But but listen through that that little time frame when he was when they were trying to blackball him and ship and he showed like.

He was the ultimate epitome of I don't give a fuck on me.

Yeah, but not even that, they still.

Niggas related to that and niggas rap man, look at.

You look at future. Future started out like like like Gucci Jeezy. I mean he was, you know what I'm saying, Tony Montan like he was kind of talking a little story, but then he got into like the I'm not gonna call hi mumble rap, but let's call it melody rap. And everything became about sonically sound music to me, you know what I'm saying. But they wasn't saying nothing.

So who do you think was the most impactful order to come out of them? Like, let's be real impactful artists ever.

Yeah, today, that's a great question. That's a great question. Answer why to impact the world?

Listen?

My view is my world and not the views of big facts. She said, may you're why, I don't give a fuck.

Let me see. That's a great question.

Though, who put the world on drugs?

If I ain't giving them coach sign of that, we know who that was damn influential. I would have to say Andre three thousand and I'm gonna tell you why it ain't nobody for we ain't say influence.

Listen, Listen, that's two different words.

With thug be wearing dresses without Andre hold on impactful.

Now he impacted the artists. I'm saying who impacted to me, I ain't trying to get you to say what I want to say that. I'm just saying who impacted.

Like everybody, not just artists, everybody wanted to be what he talking about.

That's impact well influential, Yeah, exactly impactful.

Who made this ship shift the most? So when they came to me Jez, And I'm gonna tell you why. It's either Jesus or.

Six but you know I get it. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you why Jeez. Jez was the hope of the of the hood and I'm talking about the whole and I'm talking about it transcended Atlanta ghetto to the world because corporate thuging was a mentality And you know, I'm talking about real street niggas that really win the business and did so.

I ain't talking about the labels that came and tried and didn't win. You know what I'm saying.

But there's a lot of labels that from Atlanta and exactly from Atlanta that did. But he was the motherfucker big Shota Sha kids stew a rest in peace, Like when he signed him, we was all like, damn, like this nigga different, you know what I'm saying. And it's not just because he was rapping about the struggle, because the struggle has been a part of our music the whole time, but.

He believed that ship. Yeah, and when he said.

Yeah, like you know what I'm saying, it was like, Okay, you know what I'm saying. I started all out of my shoulds. I'm in my cool inside Jello, how about that pretty motherfucker? Like, Hello, you can't nobody's standing still you I mean, you can go the whole way through the album, you know what I'm talking about. And I don't feel like I don't feel like there's another artist that had that much because I think Atlanta streets got respect.

From other city streets when Jez came out the facts in fact what you're saying.

But it's to me, my opinion, is you right about what you're saying. But it's it's it's it's the generation of it. It's like it's the timing of See you said one moment, you know what I'm saying. It can't be by one so Jesus because you came from that moment and use impacted to the max.

But I seen that the streets listened.

A hundred bottles of table service was see minute from Atlanta.

Like all the things that Atlanta just thought they were dope boys. I get what he's saying. The bitch it was by section when Jesus them came and all that. Now everybody wanted to boss up.

You, right, But see in the future, big shot, the future. I've been a part of the day. I put them on Greg's rids and icons back in the day. I saw him early. So I've done a lot for the city in all these parts. But it's like if you said one, you know, I don't know when that could last as long as Slim has You know what I'm saying. With just that type of music, he ain't try nothing else. He ain't try nothing else. Yeah, So I don't know, Yeah, yeah, streets. You know, it's influence and impact saying.

I'm gonna tell you why me, because I seen the nigga appears be influenced the.

Atlanta Atlanta period period.

This nigga doesn't have the most influenced the Tupaca Atlanta because he did he do it all.

Like you gotta think that don't don't get it.

But he was the first nigga that have bad bitches that they parted as a as an Atlantan nigga, he was like like when when when it was first added, first run. Now when he first came, the part of was like jay Z part of some ship. I'm gonna give him that.

So that's the girls and that's the And he always appeared to want to be smart exactly be he never tried to want some information. No, but just not that he wants some information. He's just not gonna go say whatever without asking some fucking questions.

So I agree with that.

But the reason that I say, like, they're all the way right and I tip slipped my mind.

I'm from the West Side.

That was my fault.

But the reason that I say that, I say Gucci too is because when I think of Gucci, I think of that Tupac picture when he had on the red hockey jersey and the bandit d.

One moment jaid one moment of it. Gucci ain't Gucci won to one. Know what I'm saying is yes, yeah, ain't you to me? You can't put here like another nigga.

He Gucci.

Ain't nobody Tupac and like beating the odds and like coming back from some some of the most unbelievable, like the whole world tried to blackball him when that ship was going on with him and Jeezy, and that nigga came back, Ryan Cherry, that's crazy.

That's what I'm trying to tell you, Like it ain't now like you could say, Who's gonna be the next Gucci?

You know what I'm saying, Like who who? Who can remind you of Gucci? Like that's what we're looking for. I don't.

I don't think it was a nigga before Gucci likeuc and it is, in my opinion.

And then if we're going to talk about influencing, if we're going to talk about impact, look at I don't want to say birds because that's kind of disrespectful, but look at all the niggas that Gucci molded and.

Uplifted, facts, facts, facts, a lot of niggas talking the whole entire Atlanta.

I said, it ain't nobody like that my impactful because a lot of niggas still disagree with what kind of nigga what you was? So yeah, he still had it was divided. He got the niggas that really fucked with him in the streets. He dropped the line about the niggas that everybody fucked even in the industry respect yea what it is like and he is said that like, don't funk with them niggas either. Bum said like future come in like all them niggas want to fuck with him.

Influential, everybody influential ever in his future influential.

But how would you hundred three thousands on that list?

Yeah, because you come andre three thousand impacking influences different influence. Influence means everybody wants to be like me, dressed like me, drunk thousand pers in with you, but nobody has ever like it wasn't nothing before Dre like that.

Get to L. L. Jay Z and we talked about New York the nas.

I would give it to rock Him Rakim over first number one. I get that, but we're gonna say it wouldn't be a jay Z. If you want for Rock Kim, there a pioneer.

If you want for Big Daddy came Okay, I respect all the pioneers of the game.

But when a nigga come out and he had one and he came after you gotta give him to it. You gotta get it to a nigga. That's just how I look at it.

That's just like having a whole Michael Jordan impact, though it's the same which nigga this ship.

Now, Rock Kim was the motherfucker and they ain't cursed, and we're trying to stop saying nigga too, but it's a hard back show. We're gonna work on that, but nigga them is hard to escape.

But you get what I'm saying about.

That's how if Michael Jordan doesn't give Lebron his credit, he's a hater period.

But Lebron ain't really deal. Mike Johnna, did your impact this conversation?

This is you know what I'm saying.

He's you gotta take your head off the niggas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta take your head off the niggas. That's just like Big Daddy jay Z fucking But a lot of the niggas, some of there gonna want to get that ship up like him, Like you know, some of them want to be the best.

Let's give credit to everybody who has made a better way for all of us. You know what I'm talking about. I think that like we have so many artists from Atlanta. They often asked me interviews, why the camaraderie, because we want to sound like it's literally a thing called Southern hospitality, you know. So at the end of the day, you can't like escape that here because even if you don't know somebody, you feel a part of it. That's an energy. That's an energy, you know what I'm saying. So I want to get everybody, uh their props, especially Ludacris. I don't think Ludacris get enough of it.

Was definitely one of like one of the ones that fucking brought that whole.

That made.

Rap like that made you think like you could really his lyrics and his fucking whatever made you you could have a whole.

Movie in your head listening to his He's an illustrator for.

Real and five point six billion dollars at the box office. Yeaht different, lootle different.

To hear Virgo too. So I'm a scorp yo, yeah with a hornet, Nigga.

Kat said.

But I tell the niggashos that me on light skin a scorpio. Nigga ad right, blue black on their side. I think everybody.

So another question that I wanted to ask you is It's a two part question. So the first part is how did you acquire the job as Senior vice president of Brand Management for COMMBS Enterprises. And then the second part of the question is do you feel like your life experiences that you acquired going to Morris Brown and existing and living at an HBCU kind of made you the perfect man for that job.

Yeah, HBCUs changed my life.

I mean, you know, back then, you used to see things on the Cosmi show a different world, you know, yeah, and being in the street and I had, you know, single parent homes. I'm a statistic locked up at eighteen. Just never think you're gonna get to that point. So coming to the AUC obviously have a Howard University, being a backdrop where I was born and raised, I'm be coming here at eighteen and seeing the AUC changed my whole perspective. All in black people from all over the country just like me, and how it affected me. It taught me that people were my super power, and I took that into every job I ever obtained, and specifically with Revolt because I launched Revolt with Puffing twenty thirteen. He had been courting me because of a big fiasco at the world famous compound. We had some vodka wars. He asked me two weeks after that. A lot of people don't know, he asked me to come work for Sarah.

I said no.

And then when he came I think a year or two later with the Revote opportunity, I said yes because it was an opportunity for us to change the world.

We had done business.

We had obviously had public squirmishist since nineteen ninety four, so we've been We had that brotherly back and forth for a long time. Andre Herrel, who's like our father, you know, enlisted me to come help them with Revolt and went out there and thought I was going to change the world with that. Midway through he offered the Shawn Cohns Wining Spirits opportunity. We launched DeLeon Tequila, the first ineration of that with the chrome hearts tops and the sixty dollars glass.

It was a beautiful presentation.

This is also beautiful, but it was unbelievable, and you know, I couldn't really resist that it double my salary and the opportunity I was supposed to transfer my equity from Revolting to delhion that never happened, and then you know, just kept it moving. But it was it was a great opportunity. And I go into every job. Jay, you know what I'm saying with my all, You know what I'm saying. That's like why I try to tell these youngest who get hurt, you know, women and man about love.

It's like, okay, you rather not feel it, so you know what it feel like.

So I give my everything that every relationship, but it just gets to a point where you know, you got to do yourself sometimes with a person of my relationship, you know, my relationships and my access.

It was time for me to go on my own way. So after that, I kind of bust a move and that was the best move I ever made.

That farm we're in the Uncle Near's the fastest growing American whiskey and US history independently owned. Went from seventy five cent a share to twenty nine dollars a year in six years, a couple of hundred. So, you know, but I think like people don't really understand the value of entrepreneurship. You you know, you think you're supposed to being somebody else. Thinking I've given my ord to everybody else for so long, it was time to do for myself. So since I invested Uncle Nears had an opportunity to invest in LS Cream, the Corp, which is a Haitian Kremos inspired cream, The Core, which had a ten million dollar evaluation on that in eighteen months. The vodka, which is Boosovakia and bab is my latest investment.

His spirits.

Our vision for that as to see Africa on the back of every back bar in the world. And so, you know, just it taught me a lot working with Puff I go at him a lot, especially when you talking about holding the black vote or anything that I disagree with. I hold all my peers responsible because I think that's what we're supposed to do. So I feel like one of one of the best universities I've ever attended was puff Daddy University.

So so moving into twenty twenty four, curiosity like where are you going to stand politically? Because obviously a lot of people just ain't feeling what's going on currently and you know what's coming, So.

Where you where are you a politically?

Born with the best human possible and people always talk about less than two evils, you got to get to know who you can know put them in pocket. And I'm another example of that as well, right, big shot to West Moore, he's the governor of Maryland. I was locked up for the team. I have to pay every time I go to Canada. You know what I'm talking about. I can't get a firearm, although my wife has a couple.

I don't.

You know what I'm saying, just letting everybody know. But you know, I literally couldn't get a pardon. I meet this man at the VP's house this past weekend. You know what I'm saying, paperwork in motion to get pardoned. That's all from relationships. So I encourage everybody to get to know your local and state government.

You know what I'm saying.

We think it's about the presidency all the time, and it's not that we do know who's good and bad. Right, you can't stand on the side of a motherfucker who's he vote racism, Like, you know what I'm saying, The Oh Jesus saying that they didn't feel this way.

You know what I'm saying.

After segregation, Like, it's just so many people are actively outwardly racist, you know.

What I'm saying.

So I think you just got to judge for yourself. So the party though I'm not saying Republican, Democrat or independent. I'm voting for the best humans. And I suggest everybody get to know their local and state representative.

Word on the streets, just have a real conversation fast right, Nigga's gonna kick Like.

Bros are in the money, money, money, money, but money is not defining man, and we gotta get off that. A lot of folker vote for Trump. People that don't like them vote for them.

Yeah, I'm not with that. Y'all think that stimulus is gonna sustain you where you at right now? For those who are depending on the stimulus, where you at right now? And how much debt did that man lead? See, well, they don't realize these taxes that y'all ain't paying. They don't come see you. You're gonna get a bag one day. They're gonna take all your motherfucking money. And you gotta realize that politics is all up and down, you know what I'm saying that street, and that's what people don't realize. You can vote for who you want to vote for, and that's probably people that want to keep most of their money, which we all do with their ways. To keep your money, you gotta read.

Huh. Reading is fundamental.

You gotta read their opportunities for people that make money, how to get trust, all types of things protect your assets. But we want to go act like money is the thing. That's our problem. Our problem is that money is the thing. Bank was talking when we first got involved this amp thing, and he was telling me, you know, his things, ideas and dreams, what he wanted to do. I was telling him things. He was asking me question, Mama. I never took a check from nobody. I ain't believing because this ain't worth it. Some time I took one check on accident, and that was from a tobacco company. You know what I'm talking about. But I don't smoke. There's no way I can support that. I mean, just I'm saying, like to go again, don't go against the way you feel.

If you if you I just.

Turned down the energy drink. Yeah, she got cound of shitar like I can't bust out of herd this shit. It's cool, but I wouldn't even drink.

I can't even.

If I ever stopped drinking. I ain't gonna tell you about liquor. If I whatever I don't do, I'm not telling you to do. And I think that we gotta go for politicians that seemingly because guess what, it is lesser than too evils.

You know what I'm saying.

Politicians are politicians. It's all types of reasons people run for senator. You watch them movies like Night Agent on Netflix. I suggest you all watched Night Agent on Netflix. I thought it was corny as a motherfucker. Watch the motherfucker. But you look at these stories and how people you know what I'm saying, go roll for opportunity. These senators are all up in play, in wars and decisions on properties zoning. Like I'm just saying, like, we gotta you gotta get a little more educated again. I want people to read. So yeah, the deformation is there for you. That's why I keep saying read. Okay, So prince is my father, No, Princess my father. Let's talk about it.

Come on now, don't get quizzed on big fans. Don't have the answer.

Yeah, what does that statement.

Mean to you?

Nah, Princes my father because the way he touched abalone and purple Rain taught me. You know, I never I didn't have a father growing up, It taught me how to touch a woman and I'll.

Never forget that. Vividly a like eleven years old, nineteen eighty four, it just touched me. I was like, oh, you know what I'm saying. And then the music. You know what I'm saying.

I think men are taught not to be vulnerable emotionally. You know what I'm saying. Me being a lover has got me everywhere I've ever been, you know what I'm saying. So I love the you know, the songs he's created in his body at work. Spoke to me like no other even before, like hip hop, Like you know what I'm saying, Like rock him was my favorite rap. I really didn't identify with rap into that I'm talking about wanting to be a part of the culture.

All right, So I give all that credit to Prince. You know what I'm saying. They said any else about when I got big.

So let me ask you a question with absolutely and completely and totally no disrespect to Prince.

But do you feel like Prince walked so that sexy Red could fly?

Hell?

No, because you know no, no, I saw this debate online right because you know how his stop not.

Let me let me ask this right quick, because I'm glad y'all said prince right, because back in the day, you know how niggas would have looked at that, the niggas before us, our granddaddy like man, they walking around that boy with his ass out in he'll see. But now we're saying that was cool because it was in our generation. But what about now this ship, the girl doing boodhole? Would you say the boodhole brood?

No?

No, first of all, please, I'm glad you asked him about it. Ain't because she's talking about lamythia and the color of fucking the screedy ship coming out of her motherfucking private parts.

Ain't heard? Okay, it's googleable, she says, she's been burnt how many times?

Jay?

You know what? No?

Yeah, no, But it's a difference between selling fantasy and fucking disgusting misogyny. When women become massogynists, it's over. If you ain't got no more fucking respect for yourself, it's over.

It's over. It's over.

There's no coming back for there's no respect you could ever ask from a man and you doing that ship?

Ever, Yeah, I don't even respect these niggas anyway, thought, but these women can't.

In the defense, what you gonna do, you're gonna get you don't. You go through life you feel like you need to be the man, that what you gonna be, that what you want to be. Okay, fine, but we talk about what music made people feel like then and what it makes people feel like now. It's making a square feel like they gotta be bisexual. It's making motherfuckers feel like they gotta do things ain't in their comfort zone. You got niggas blowing their heads off because they feel like popping.

Pills and doing shit they man wanted to do. Gonna make them hold.

This dysfunction on the highest level. That shit ain't cool, ain't never gonna be cool.

Wasn't cool.

And they go back to the comments about Luke too short. Then was one offs? Then was one off? The majority of music wasn't that. Now the majority of music is that. Okay, So you're saying, basically, you had choices then, you had options to be who you wanted to be. Music kept you safe. There's no safety. You talk to Rob, what type of fucking culture we in our legacy and heritage and we taught to be scammers. We taught to say, fuck our queens, the only fucking species on earth. They can birth our sons and daughters. We talked to hate. This shit is some bullshit. I'm never going for that, and I don't give a fuck who it hurts, because right now the motherfuckers gotta be butt hurt and offended. You know what I'm saying. These motherfuckers ain't going they making money off of what you think they gonna keep. They're gonna keep doubling. Dad, guess what more people gonna die? These design of drugs killing our babies.

I'm talking about.

Your organ's not functioning. It ain't weed, it ain't cocaine. It's fucking killing you from the inside. And yet I am saying this, the music is killing us too. The music is killing us. You only have ninety percent of your music is fucking murder killed. Suck dick, eat pussy ass. I ain't never heard so many talk about eating ass. All you niggas ain't freaks. All your niggas ain't even about that life. You gonna have some shit on your face. You can't get off fucking with. Somebody get klipmdia on go. Somebody said they had committee more than once, and it's cool with saying that the raw dog fucking queen. Come on, now, you can't make you can't make that okay, it's not okay. All you young is is not okay.

It's not okay. It's not okay to want to die.

You gotta respect Kenny because what I've always loved about Kenny is that he is we all are, but he is willing to stand on what he like publicly openly topped the bottom since before nobody.

I'm giving free game.

If you ain't got no motherfucker that in your life and you want some respectable game for a motherfucker that's been in relationship twenty four years, I'm your man. If you want motherfucker that have been through culture with all these fucking voltures overseers and niggas that don't give fuck about you and made my own I'm your man. If you motherfucker ain't got no motherfucking you know what I'm saying, significant other to tell you the truth.

Your people supposed to tell you the truth.

Your motherfucking father, your mom and your daddy, your motherfucking manager, they supposed to tell you the truth.

When you think it's too late to even hear the truth. It's never too late. It's never too late.

Did you see God damn top boy, brother, isn't it She got caught up at the end of that motherfuckers Her sister died on dope. It took the motherfucker closest to her to die from dope to realize she ain't on the bullshit no more. But how many mogs we gonna keep losing?

How many? How many people you don't know them die? Man? Since I know you, but this shit getting on, You're getting on to this ship and we're not supposed to be none of that bad. But I'm just telling you.

I'm telling you from a mind state like and I'm not saying like a dome none of this shit. I'm just saying I can see where they minded. What people mind is that you get what I'm saying. It's like, but it's just a way of life, Like I don't know how I'm saying, how, what's the how the fuck do we fix it?

You know what I'm saying, I get it, because shoo, can we fix the walk and dig? Absolutely? Because they love somebody? Then nigga be in the midst of all the ship. They love her, they listen to her. I told him when I first snatched him up a year, like I said, you can do it more than anybody in Atlanta because you got the longest tenure and then where they at.

But I think you gotta do it by showing it. And the niggas who're gonna come gonna come out there talking.

Nigga don't want to hear no talking. I hear you.

But what they're gonna do, what they gonna do. Though, I'm saying, you gotta what the holy grail, then you gotta just we gotta just show him, like you said, we gotta just make it line. We gotta just get the niggas who they look up to first to get on the same.

Type of ship. Bro, Like we ain't on that that ship length.

Let me.

Get what I feel what you're saying, you gotta, But I think like the value of life has to be re established because a motherfucker don't give a life, then they don't yourself, they don't about life, then they don't give a fuck about life.

They don't give a fuck about that.

But I feel like what somebody but black and saying about the niggas that these niggas are looking up to, and the niggas that these niggas are respecting making it cool and all of that have to say, Okay, this ship is lame. It's gonna be kind of difficult for those niggas to say this ship is lame when the lame shit is basically providing their way of life.

But lames is running the world. That's the problem. Said.

If you said something about executive earlier, right, If you know an executive don't even listen to the music they signing, that's lame. If you know motherfucker's in control of something telling you to do something they don't do, that's lame for sure. And you you gotta hear what I said before y'all went on that bat to everybody loves somebody. These motherfucker killers love they baby girl. If they love somebody, they could be changed. Love is an emotion, it's a It's a thing you cannot shape. And yes, you're right, we numb to a lot of things, but you're not numb to the ship.

You would you to, So there was a switch, right, But can't nobody teach couldn't nobody teach me that nobody spiritual ship.

Yeah, but also but you also got taught it because of the things you decide to put yourself bless your beauty.

Nobody teach me to change it. No, I'm saying, teach you is not actual lessons.

Teaching you is what you want to put yourself around to absorb, what you want to experience. How you want to show up. I say it all the time, show about you want to be received. If you tied to being a broke motherfucker, get around some money, but you know you got to bring something to the table, and people that hustle or scam know how to do that, right. So I just I refuse to believe that the core of everything we are, which is love as a people that got us through. Love got us through slavery, love got us through segregation, love got us through civil rights.

Love got us through all that shit.

And as much a nigga say they don't give a fuck, it's somebody give a fuck about true one person.

So speaking of giving a fuck about somebody and something.

I give about big facts.

And listen, I'm waiting to come on this mockery.

I don't know what took how many years I got to answer.

So speaking of having somebody in your life that you give a fuck about in somebody in your corner that holds you accountable.

How did you and Jessica meet?

How home Coming nineteen ninety seven. I was doing a party. I'll shifted, man, I'm trying to stay on this.

I get that, bro. We that's like an ending, real on a positive note, this mix. How do we fix this? How do we fix the world?

Niggas needed Jessica for real, just being real.

But it ain't no, it's a lie. It's a shortage on them. Jessica's now nowadays, Now we gotta go back into the time of what's going on. We got to speak to what's going on. We can't speak to what we once was.

How do we make that? How do we get more Jessica's How do we change the world? Is what I'm saying. We changed that? Ain't no, we're doing it. We're doing it.

But the more people like you, to be honest with you, more people like you, more people like you that are around the element, you can become teachers. Ain't got to be no motherfucking lessons like we went to school or something. But if you pouring, if you're saying some ship a motherfucker to look up to. You gonna hear they going how many people lives out and say, y'all, y'all know gangsters that aren't putting positions in the latte that are winning restaurants all the things. So how you don't how you don't know? Somebody could change and about people, but it's not. It's more niggas, that's right. Mind made us who mind? But guess what they ain't got no bag, but they don't got no access access and they don't have no real power.

All you can do is what you can do. That's what mind made up.

Like but in what I'm doing, and it's more niggas just on the fence. So we gotta try to touch on the Do you think do you think do you think do you think that the mind made up? My mind was made up?

Do you think this plan, this platform has changed some minds that was made up?

For sure?

We got all of us, got people that walked up to us like man, I ain't never wanted to look at it like that, but because of this I looked.

But your mind was made up. When your mind made up, you don't even get a chance to listen to them. Niggas like, but they talking, I don't even want to hear when your mind made it.

But you said your mind was made up. I'm saying, but I didn't. I didn't hear ship to make me want to change. I want when you decided to yourself, I understand that you did.

See that's a self conscious You do see things because you want it more for yourself, So you have to see it to believe that you can have it or dream about it or want to do it, and then it's spiritual change.

Get that's what it was, brother.

Them folks told me, bro, what I was gonna be if I didn't do this, what was gonna happen?

I saw my end. Yeah, that's what made me say, well, so so if the nigga but they don't give a fuck about it because they're cool. They give you. Get the funk on just what I'm saying, Get the funk on how do we weed that out? But you can't. Everybody a motherfucker on the passage.

That's that's it.

A motherfucker on the past of self destruction is going to self destruct.

Facts.

If you get an opportunity like prayfully that our people do, that's locked up right now, you know you gotta fucking do better.

Yeah, you know it ain't no motherfuckers.

But if you keep doing the bullshit, we gotta go get the motherfuckers that's worth saving. Now listen, I'm saying that. I'm saying that we gotta go get the ones worth saving. Let some motherfucker want to be saved. They want some information, they want some access, they want to weigh out, Right, you gotta go get damn the numbers out weigh. When you do that, you can't keep going back trying to save the motherfucker that don't want to be saved.

Because you're gonna put yourself in jail Act and you're gonna be able to fucking Rico and you're gonna be in more get to That's what I'm saying.

Like, it's like this, Okay, if you're trying to help a nigga or you trying to god damn mentor a nigga, do out because we're going to schools and shit shouts out to doctor Barba to a couple of school and fucking kids.

Them kids is lost, a lot of them is lost. Duck. Yeah, they fucked up. One more question. Yeah, Like at the end of the day, they and brother passionate about what he does.

So he pulled me up. I pull up because you know, the kids fuck with me and shit. But the thing about it is some niggas just don't want to be saved. And then if you back to that, what you said about that, okay, just savings, Like we just took a little dude to get him some cleats, you know, the armband for bass.

You know what I'm saying. Shit because he said he was in regular gym shoes on the field. Cool to him. It is a cleat. But the young niggas actually doing shit too. So you affiliate yourself.

You got your number, you so called you might bail him out of jail, just trying to show you.

Somebody said, fu you. That is affiliation what we was talking about earlier.

Right, these are game members that you're trying to help, you count a getting through to them.

How do you do that? You're doing it, You can't overthinking you.

I ain't talking about how you do that and still remain don't worry about like you said a Philios.

But affiliation is you hanging out with the motherfucker's riding in the car, going to do things what motherfuckers you know you ain't supposed to be doing.

You can't tell them what I can. I know how many cases I know you ain't never seen.

Also, can it be a young nigga text you about some ship trying to get some advice in this in your phone and you really don't.

Advice is advice? Listen, man, we're talking about cocaine. We're talking about we were talking about things you go to jail for. We ain't talking about advice. I'm going to get a nigga. I'm just saying general, everybody got a goddamn you know the fucking law dad's dad.

Okay, let's not even get like you know what I'm saying, And I'm talking about that.

We're talking about to his point, helping somebody is helping somebody. I'm going to if you lock me up for being with somebody, I'm taking to some case. I'm getting about that like that.

When you get them out of anybody, you get them out of jail.

Okay, cold, but I gotta first of all, you who out of you. I'm just saying, like, if a little dude he done got.

Nigga that got caught, reach out to you like, man, he's locked up. Man, we need help.

You can get money if it's your partner, family, no, whatever, you get money to the family, I'll do what your mentor. Okay, listen, bro again, you can't wait. And I'm not saying people don't deserve a second chance. I did not say that one time this session. I am saying, no, if someone repeatedly gets into some ship, you you ain't got time.

You got to go to the next mother fucking Try to say. What am I saying? That? All about this? Like giving up? Though? How is I'm sorry he said. What he's saying is if they if they've given up on themselves, how you exactly? It's like loving somebody. No, no, I love themselves. That's everybody we're talking about. But everybody you got here, what I'm saying, hello, holdo, helo, I'm hearing you. Okay. Well, So while we upset it the people who already.

Made that, we're not upset. We upset while we upset with boot whole brown them.

Listen, we this off and keep my family bank.

We upset with somebody that knows better and doesn't do better. We're not upset with somebody that makes a mistake and these another chance. But once you get that second chance and you double down on.

The bullshit, you went the ship.

He's saying.

I know what he's saying, but there's no way around that saying. How do we continue to help them? We don't until they want to. Until he wanted to help himself.

He that's what. That's what.

That's what it's still gonna come down to. At the end, though, you're gonna have to want to help yourself.

You're gonna have to music. How do we get through to them? Millions? That's what I was saying about.

The niggas, that that that the that are that our generation looks up to. How you gonna sell his lame and this is what's making me millions and affording me the capability to be able to take care of my family.

All money ain't good money. How do you get through to them?

All money ain't good money? Niggas based your life on money already lost? If you can't enjoy the journey half y'all waiting for.

Money, good money? But when I got the money, do they feel safe? It's the good.

Feel like money is money.

For years old.

I don't know how old you are, how old you are, but his money as important when you start no. Okay, So okay, cool, you know better, you have a better.

Understand what I'm thinking. I'm trying to talk about it. Okay, ignorant, let's talk because most of these people are all blacks like this.

All money was good money, but they didn't make it a lot of nigga that thought all money was good money.

But you're right, they didn't make it a lot. And you're right.

But when you're broke your stomach, heart, what you are the time tonight we gotta talk about first time you was a hustler, first time, the first time you get a pass for yourself, give yourself the first path for pass off doing the wrong shit. But when you this is the way they getting money in my era, I don't know. I tell you if you're a criminal, if you're a criminal. If I was a criminal, I came in the game as bank robbers.

My uncle. All these folks is bank rob I'm going to be a bank robber. This is what I did.

Know what I just seen the nick coming out with a bag of money. Okay, So anyway, if if my uncle was dope dealers and everybody go outside, they send a doe d niga call. That's the way they get the money. Okay, now I see it. Devote doing loans and credit ford fleet. That's the way they getting the money.

All right, I say, all that ship lane it is. That's how we change. Now that's forty five though.

Yeah, but if all were broke trying to figure out the way, how f in the feed shut telling my kids, Woo, I'm a lazy as nigga.

When I'm coming out, damn broke as nigga. All that shit starting to get to me. That shit's gonna change me to what how to get this money? But knowing that to you will the methods.

Listen, change your surrounders, if you would have changed your surroundings. I'm just saying, change if you could get from if you can with no family, Now I'm with you, brother. All I'm saying is, if you can get some money any anyway, you're.

Gonna make it cool. Let me try an argument that they will have. Yeah, no argument at all. I'm just saying how they wish this argument, that this is their circumstance.

My thing is, if you can go hustle and make some money, right, you can hustle and go get some money. You can sell something, whatever you gotta do it, Lead'll get some money. You could take that money and flip that money, just like you can flip the drugs. You can go buy a property, you can go do things. My thing is want more for yourself. And I know you didn't know, but you but you have to be around the people that did know to know. But and you see that in the Nobody want to be around the broked.

No, no broked and no answer. Don't nobody want to be around the broken time? You look like a trimmer, You're like a thing man. What that broke ad nigga want? So I held him and be around.

You're trying to get some money, but you don't want to be around a broken.

About about a broke niggas going to be able to nigga walk up, y'all.

Nigga wants a guy to see me. A kid out there, we're gonna be doing when I hit the wing, y'all, y'all got out side, We chop ups. We stand outside talking. We see a nigga with a hood, don't look like he needs some help. We gonna be nigga like what the head it look broke at nigga.

Ship.

We're not gonna help him. I'm not gonna be on nobody's car. I don't know about the broke nigga, do.

My trimming, doing whatever he needs to do to like make the money and get his money and learn with flip it.

Not smoking.

The broke nigga that that has made the.

Money doesn't have anybody around him or doesn't have anybody.

In place to be able to show him the way to be able to flip it.

And that was the whole issue.

Y'all.

Y'all nigga, y'all confusing, y'all still y'all said, y'all.

Okay, I see how this played out my broken uncle who went to college. You know what I'm saying, like a nigga. I'm just saying, your nigga is like regular I'm just speaking from.

A point of you.

Listen, you have a you have an absolute factual point, a big factual point. But you're talking to circus because you because you because you know how to do it, because you did it. I did it, but they have to they have to do the same thing you did.

I can't see that right now. I can't see that. Then I can see it.

Nofully, they get a blessing from God to see it one day.

One day.

Honestly, I want I want every human, black human being on this planet to win.

Also know that I also time. I also know time waits for no one. It frustrates you in it because you know it's possible. That's what's frustrated. It could be done. I'll hear what you're saying. But nigga, it can happen. You did, and I did. I see what you're saying.

That's why you're frustrating and passionate about it, because you know it's possible.

All the things Nigga, I do a change their mindset, that's what he's saying.

You write big factors helping them change the fin but they watched the facts. Though they get enough of it, they will. I'm just playing double last mother question.

All right, Yeah, let's do that. Let's do the last question. Go ahead to the moment to the baby.

Gil Okay, so let's let's get back to let's get back to just let's let's go into that.

But y'all lost to things. No, I would not be here, but I'm just speaking. I'm we have conversations about this.

We have to have these conversations though, over and over again. We have to have these conversations. That's the only way to get other people to have a conversation.

They don't get it. Yeah, I get it. I don't have time going to this whole wife thing. I met my wife.

Because God aligned our paths and I was just anybody that's willing to work for a relationship, to have a partner. You don't have to label it as marriage. You can label it as a partnership if they bring out the best in you. I strongly suggest that you you know, you get it. Yeah, because one thing I know in life being fifty years old, you know, being married twenty four years, having two functioning great humans as sons, and a village that I've inspired, helped, or you know what I'm saying, motivated to get to the next.

Level, you have to believe in it. You have to believe in it.

If you don't believe in love, you know what I'm saying, you don't love yourself, you can't possibly be in a relationship.

You know what I'm saying. You have to believe.

And that's even in your skill set, what you do and what your superpower is. You can't get that shit done if you don't believe it yourself. So big shot to my wife lifestyle, Yeah, big shot to my sons and their burnslifestyle, dot com clothing a peril, Big shout to all my spirit partners. But it all is the center of love, y'all. This whole life, you know, we living that. We want to live at the center of all that's love and respect for yourselves and we can get anything we came for. We are all living proof. And again, hip hop is our culture. Yes you know what I'm saying. We all from the diaspora, but hip hop is our culture. We were all born into this. We have made money from this. People talk about y'all not really from Africa.

No, we not.

The diaspora is originally from Africa, but we are hip hop culture. People always talking about bassardizing the culture. The culture is culture. What they talking about. They talking about hip hop families, These fathers, these mothers taking care of their children like never before. You never seen this much love. And to say we don't got it, it makes me upset. It disturbs me because we.

Do have it.

Everybody loves somebody will die for somebody right now. That shows you that you could do the rest, you know what I mean, on your journey, and I want people to believe in that the core of everything is love and respect.

So love and respect to y'all.

One last question, Mumbo sauce are hot with women? Peppers?

Sprinkle Yeah, hot with a purple sprink I makes till you know you gotta transition here turny years long as you've been a you know what I'm doing, So I can't meet like we're teenaging, so big, shouts out Kenny Burns, pulling up the big facts, so little to my brother, check us out to you at Triplet Fish.

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