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Let's go on with the buns of crazy Dogs. Hello everybody, and welcome to Monday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live, presented by Cadillac, the official luxury vehicle the Giants. John Smelk Let's meddle with you taking your phone calls at two A one nine three nine four to five one three hashtag Giants Chat. As well. Some news came over the weekend and late last week. We'll get into that, did there. I'm gonna wear their news a little bit. And then we have Mammy's Pro Day coming up later today as well. We'll talk more about that tomorrow obviously when we actually see what happened at Miami's Pro Day. And it's more than just cam Ward, by the way, there's a lot of other good players there. Zavy Roscheppo, Damian Martinez, Elijah Royo, so there's a lot of different good players at that MAMMI prode that we should all be keeping an I on Lance, How was your weekend, my friend? It was busy. I was traveling. I just got back from North Carolina.

Let's go on with the buns of crazy Dogs. Hello everybody, and welcome to Monday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live, presented by Cadillac, the official luxury vehicle the Giants. John Smelk Let's meddle with you taking your phone calls at two A one nine three nine four to five one three hashtag Giants Chat. As well. Some news came over the weekend and late last week. We'll get into that, did there. I'm gonna wear their news a little bit. And then we have Mammy's Pro Day coming up later today as well. We'll talk more about that tomorrow obviously when we actually see what happened at Miami's Pro Day. And it's more than just cam Ward, by the way, there's a lot of other good players there. Zavy Roscheppo, Damian Martinez, Elijah Royo, so there's a lot of different good players at that MAMMI prode that we should all be keeping an I on Lance, How was your weekend, my friend? It was busy. I was traveling. I just got back from North Carolina.

Columbia went to the NCAA Women's Tournament, so they picked off a victory of the first four in the first ever victory in the NCAA tournament. They knocked off Washington from the Big Ten, and then a bit of a wake up call against West Virginia that pressed the entire game full court, a lot of turnovers on both sides. Though they rallied a little bit, but unfortunately fell short. But it was a neat experience. I don't know if you've ever been Carmichael Arena.

Columbia went to the NCAA Women's Tournament, so they picked off a victory of the first four in the first ever victory in the NCAA tournament. They knocked off Washington from the Big Ten, and then a bit of a wake up call against West Virginia that pressed the entire game full court, a lot of turnovers on both sides. Though they rallied a little bit, but unfortunately fell short. But it was a neat experience. I don't know if you've ever been Carmichael Arena.

I'm not.

I'm not.

Of course, is where mister Jordan started his festivities, so it was nice to survey the court. I've been to the United Center, been to Carmichael Arena. Next time I got to North Carolina to stop by Laney High School and then we'll maybe work our way to middle school. Because I know how important it is for you to mark off in your check book all the destinations along his career that I have visited.

Of course, is where mister Jordan started his festivities, so it was nice to survey the court. I've been to the United Center, been to Carmichael Arena. Next time I got to North Carolina to stop by Laney High School and then we'll maybe work our way to middle school. Because I know how important it is for you to mark off in your check book all the destinations along his career that I have visited.

Was there a statue there that you could kiss the feet?

Was there a statue there that you could kiss the feet?

Oh?

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There wasn't actually, and that was disappointing. You know, I went to the United Center. There was a statue obviously out of front. That's the first thing I asked everyhere, I'm like, where's the Jordan statue? Got to take you know the photo North Carolina's bigger than Jordan. Apparently, little did I know. So there's some sneakers though with the Jumpman logo on it. There's wall to wall coverage of that.

There wasn't actually, and that was disappointing. You know, I went to the United Center. There was a statue obviously out of front. That's the first thing I asked everyhere, I'm like, where's the Jordan statue? Got to take you know the photo North Carolina's bigger than Jordan. Apparently, little did I know. So there's some sneakers though with the Jumpman logo on it. There's wall to wall coverage of that.

But no, there is no Jordan statue, even though it would have made sense given the eighty one title eighty two excuse me of him knocking down the jumper.

But no, there is no Jordan statue, even though it would have made sense given the eighty one title eighty two excuse me of him knocking down the jumper.

They could have had a did you go to there?

They could have had a did you go to there?

Is that?

Is that?

The museum though, is in the Dean Smith Center, which is separate, So I didn't have a chance, just because it was non stop and you know the games press conferences.

The museum though, is in the Dean Smith Center, which is separate, So I didn't have a chance, just because it was non stop and you know the games press conferences.

Did you drop a note that they should rename the Dean Smith Center the Michael Jordan Center, or or build a statue of some kind?

Did you drop a note that they should rename the Dean Smith Center the Michael Jordan Center, or or build a statue of some kind?

Did you throw out some hints to the Communications Department for UNC about the campaign for the Jordan statue?

Did you throw out some hints to the Communications Department for UNC about the campaign for the Jordan statue?

And it was it brought up at some point on the Columbia women's basketball broadcast. No, it was not brought up really.

And it was it brought up at some point on the Columbia women's basketball broadcast. No, it was not brought up really.

Actually, what was brought up is there are two there are two young ladies on West Virginia that have Jordan in their name. So when was an opportune moment there was a reference of the building that Jordan built and how two other Jordans are now handling their business appropriately.

Actually, what was brought up is there are two there are two young ladies on West Virginia that have Jordan in their name. So when was an opportune moment there was a reference of the building that Jordan built and how two other Jordans are now handling their business appropriately.

After they won the first four game was at a one sixteen situation. Oh that was an eleven eleven mat shop. Oh okay, yeah, good. Columbia had won a really high net rating this season. Oh nice. Three teams from the IVY League, by the way, made the which is historical. That is phenomenal.

After they won the first four game was at a one sixteen situation. Oh that was an eleven eleven mat shop. Oh okay, yeah, good. Columbia had won a really high net rating this season. Oh nice. Three teams from the IVY League, by the way, made the which is historical. That is phenomenal.

So it was a huge statement for the mid majors. You'd like to see that not just campaigning for the IVY. I'd like to see that across the board. It's nice to see the mid majors get some respects.

So it was a huge statement for the mid majors. You'd like to see that not just campaigning for the IVY. I'd like to see that across the board. It's nice to see the mid majors get some respects.

All right, Well we should get down in the business. That was all interesting idea. Oh you don't listen. I'm here to just I appreciate add versatility to the program.

All right, Well we should get down in the business. That was all interesting idea. Oh you don't listen. I'm here to just I appreciate add versatility to the program.

You never know what could come up. In addition to of course some Giants topics here are there? Yes, why should we prioritize that.

You never know what could come up. In addition to of course some Giants topics here are there? Yes, why should we prioritize that.

Over the weekend, according to reports, the Giants have agreed the terms pending a physical with quarterback Jamis Winston. This is something we talked a little bit about last week Lance as a possibility the Giants had brought him in according to reports, and now again pending the physical and signing the contract. This is official yet until that happens, and that might happen for a little bit now, so that might not be official for a while he's in here. Based on what the reported numbers were on the contract, it doesn't sound like it's a huge investment. So I guess my theme here at Lance, and then we can get into Jamis specifically. This does not to me mean they're not bringing in a higher priced, more accomplished veteran quarterback, and it certainly does not mean that they're still not going to be targeting a quarterback high up in the draft.

Over the weekend, according to reports, the Giants have agreed the terms pending a physical with quarterback Jamis Winston. This is something we talked a little bit about last week Lance as a possibility the Giants had brought him in according to reports, and now again pending the physical and signing the contract. This is official yet until that happens, and that might happen for a little bit now, so that might not be official for a while he's in here. Based on what the reported numbers were on the contract, it doesn't sound like it's a huge investment. So I guess my theme here at Lance, and then we can get into Jamis specifically. This does not to me mean they're not bringing in a higher priced, more accomplished veteran quarterback, and it certainly does not mean that they're still not going to be targeting a quarterback high up in the draft.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would agree with both of those sentiments. That was my first reaction.

I would agree with both of those sentiments. That was my first reaction.

If indeed, and of course this is all according to reports, if the financial details are accurate that are out there, I would say this is a good value deal for the Giants because John, we talked about this year in a year out. Not to get off topic, but whenever you start to speculate about you want to go after a veteran quarterback, and you know, I'm a huge proponent, there's value.

If indeed, and of course this is all according to reports, if the financial details are accurate that are out there, I would say this is a good value deal for the Giants because John, we talked about this year in a year out. Not to get off topic, but whenever you start to speculate about you want to go after a veteran quarterback, and you know, I'm a huge proponent, there's value.

In having that. But you're talking about you could get up to the high single digits. Just what Saler got from the tests last year. He's nine million dollars.

In having that. But you're talking about you could get up to the high single digits. Just what Saler got from the tests last year. He's nine million dollars.

Yeah, that's the going rate for an established veteran quarterback, and Jamis clearly falls under that umbrella. So if once again the numbers are accurate, that is a huge steal, I would say from a financial perspective for the Giants, because to John's point, it still gives them the freedom and the flexibility to pursue a bigger splash if you want to go there at the veteran position. So it's not as if this signing gets in the way financially speaking of giving them more competition and options. Who are non drafted players who were talking about So from that standpoint, that was my first reaction before you even get into what we think of Jamis. From an exosudose standpoint, financially, I think this was a really good investment.

Yeah, that's the going rate for an established veteran quarterback, and Jamis clearly falls under that umbrella. So if once again the numbers are accurate, that is a huge steal, I would say from a financial perspective for the Giants, because to John's point, it still gives them the freedom and the flexibility to pursue a bigger splash if you want to go there at the veteran position. So it's not as if this signing gets in the way financially speaking of giving them more competition and options. Who are non drafted players who were talking about So from that standpoint, that was my first reaction before you even get into what we think of Jamis. From an exosudose standpoint, financially, I think this was a really good investment.

Yeah, and it doesn't stop them from doing anything else, that's for sure. So now we talked about Jamis the player. Guys, Look, I don't think we gained to break them down play for play here. We know what Jamis wants today. It's been the league a long time, and you go back and this is what I'll kind of talk about here for very briefly because somebody, one of these giant people on Twitter, and someone sent me their post to get my opinion on, and their little meme was a little plac guard that said, I'd rather have a thirty three touchdown thirty interception season, which Jameis Winston had along with five thousand passing yards in twenty nineteen by far as most productive season wins seven and nine with the Bucks. I'd rather have a thirty three touchdown thirty interception season than have a fifteen touchdown five interception season. So I thought about it. My initial reaction was, can I have neither? Can we do better than both of those? I think it'll I think that'd be my goal. I think you like, under ten interceptions and more than twenty touchdowns would would be kind of like, you know, give me twenty five and seven you know, that'd be a nice little sweet spot without trying to get too greedy. Then I start thinking, I'm like, all right, well look this, fifteen touchdowns limit your offensive production so much you can't win. That might be possible. I didn't have a good way to look up and then how to kind of rate that for quarterbacks. But I thought about this. I'm like, if your quarterback throws thirty interceptions in a year, what chance do you have to bake the playoffs. I just thought about it for a little while, and I'm like, all right, well, first of all, that's one player, it's not your team. So I thought the best way to figure this ad is I want to look back at the individual seasons, and I'll do it with you right now. Each year, how many teams even have as a team thirty giveaways? And I'm like, that'll be interesting exercise. You figure out the quarterback you're talking about. I'm I'm talking about teams, yeah, meaning the quarterbacks combined. I'm on a team even non quarterbacks. Okay, I'm talking like a fumble by a running back, fumble by a wide receiver, just giveaways to just total giveaways for a team. All right, But you figure. If your quarterback as thirty, there's got to be like another five to seven elsewhere justles by running backs, receivers everybody else not playing clean football, or fumbles by the quarterbacks. That's not even included in the thirty interceptions, right sure, so this is even shooting low. Okay, So in twenty twenty four, there were two teams with thirty or more giveaways, The Cleveland Browns and the Tennessee Titans both add thirty four. And where are they drafting? You took the words out of my mouth. Okay, sorry, no, thank you, It was at the tip of my tongue. They are selecting one and two in the NFL draft case closed last year. Let's go to the twenty twenty three season. The five teams had thirty of more giveaways. You had the Cleveland Browns with thirty seven, the Minnesota Vikings surprisingly with thirty four, the New York Jets with thirty three, the Washington Commanders with thirty two, the Jacksonville Jaguars with thirty Were any of those teams real contenders in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three?

Yeah, and it doesn't stop them from doing anything else, that's for sure. So now we talked about Jamis the player. Guys, Look, I don't think we gained to break them down play for play here. We know what Jamis wants today. It's been the league a long time, and you go back and this is what I'll kind of talk about here for very briefly because somebody, one of these giant people on Twitter, and someone sent me their post to get my opinion on, and their little meme was a little plac guard that said, I'd rather have a thirty three touchdown thirty interception season, which Jameis Winston had along with five thousand passing yards in twenty nineteen by far as most productive season wins seven and nine with the Bucks. I'd rather have a thirty three touchdown thirty interception season than have a fifteen touchdown five interception season. So I thought about it. My initial reaction was, can I have neither? Can we do better than both of those? I think it'll I think that'd be my goal. I think you like, under ten interceptions and more than twenty touchdowns would would be kind of like, you know, give me twenty five and seven you know, that'd be a nice little sweet spot without trying to get too greedy. Then I start thinking, I'm like, all right, well look this, fifteen touchdowns limit your offensive production so much you can't win. That might be possible. I didn't have a good way to look up and then how to kind of rate that for quarterbacks. But I thought about this. I'm like, if your quarterback throws thirty interceptions in a year, what chance do you have to bake the playoffs. I just thought about it for a little while, and I'm like, all right, well, first of all, that's one player, it's not your team. So I thought the best way to figure this ad is I want to look back at the individual seasons, and I'll do it with you right now. Each year, how many teams even have as a team thirty giveaways? And I'm like, that'll be interesting exercise. You figure out the quarterback you're talking about. I'm I'm talking about teams, yeah, meaning the quarterbacks combined. I'm on a team even non quarterbacks. Okay, I'm talking like a fumble by a running back, fumble by a wide receiver, just giveaways to just total giveaways for a team. All right, But you figure. If your quarterback as thirty, there's got to be like another five to seven elsewhere justles by running backs, receivers everybody else not playing clean football, or fumbles by the quarterbacks. That's not even included in the thirty interceptions, right sure, so this is even shooting low. Okay, So in twenty twenty four, there were two teams with thirty or more giveaways, The Cleveland Browns and the Tennessee Titans both add thirty four. And where are they drafting? You took the words out of my mouth. Okay, sorry, no, thank you, It was at the tip of my tongue. They are selecting one and two in the NFL draft case closed last year. Let's go to the twenty twenty three season. The five teams had thirty of more giveaways. You had the Cleveland Browns with thirty seven, the Minnesota Vikings surprisingly with thirty four, the New York Jets with thirty three, the Washington Commanders with thirty two, the Jacksonville Jaguars with thirty Were any of those teams real contenders in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three?

Well, the only one was the Vikings, right didn't they? Or no, no, Actually they took a step back in twenty three. It was twenty twenty two when they played the Giants and Kirk and the offense went crazy because the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. And then in twenty twenty three, I'm.

Well, the only one was the Vikings, right didn't they? Or no, no, Actually they took a step back in twenty three. It was twenty twenty two when they played the Giants and Kirk and the offense went crazy because the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. And then in twenty twenty three, I'm.

Looking up what they did.

Looking up what they did.

Things were a little bit more balanced, but it evind necessarily lead to overwhelming vig They were seven to ten, so not great.

Things were a little bit more balanced, but it evind necessarily lead to overwhelming vig They were seven to ten, so not great.

Okay, now we're gonna go to twenty twenty two. Other than this for a couple more years, guess I think we learned a lesson pretty quickly. Here only one team with thirty or more giveaways. That was Indianapolis Colts with thirty four. They did not obviously were not contenders that year. Then you go to twenty twenty one, you had only one team with thirty giveaways, you're New York Football Giants. Then we go to the year twenty twenty and there were two teams with thirty giveaways the Denver Broncos. They did not have a good year with that year for the record, and I believe twenty twenty was the one forty nine or bad year when they had all the injury states I believe correct. So Guys, if you have thirty giveaways as a team, you're not going to be good. You're just not. Might it be more exciting? Might you have some more upside? Might you catch some luck and maybe a bunch of interceptions get dropped, or you recover your own fumbles and you catch some luck. Sure is there some volatility there, Sure, but if you have that many giveaways, you cannot win. You can't win. That means you're averaging two giveaways a game. You're not gonna win that way unless you, you know, somehow get like forty takeaways and you have a you know, positive plus mind. Is that way, But the bet on that it's not a safe bet. Right, So I'm with Lance. Given what the contract is reportedly looking like, I think it makes a lot of sense. Is that the guy you want to hand your franchise over to start seventeen games? I don't think you've shown that he can do that. He's only thirty one years old. This is around when Gino Smith started figuring things out. Maybe Brian Dable can reach them and they can limit some of those issues. I don't think that were gonna disappear. But if instead of you know, maybe you cut them in half. Right, instead of having over a full season thirty interceptions, you only have fifteen or sixteen, which, by the way, still would almost led the league last year.

Okay, now we're gonna go to twenty twenty two. Other than this for a couple more years, guess I think we learned a lesson pretty quickly. Here only one team with thirty or more giveaways. That was Indianapolis Colts with thirty four. They did not obviously were not contenders that year. Then you go to twenty twenty one, you had only one team with thirty giveaways, you're New York Football Giants. Then we go to the year twenty twenty and there were two teams with thirty giveaways the Denver Broncos. They did not have a good year with that year for the record, and I believe twenty twenty was the one forty nine or bad year when they had all the injury states I believe correct. So Guys, if you have thirty giveaways as a team, you're not going to be good. You're just not. Might it be more exciting? Might you have some more upside? Might you catch some luck and maybe a bunch of interceptions get dropped, or you recover your own fumbles and you catch some luck. Sure is there some volatility there, Sure, but if you have that many giveaways, you cannot win. You can't win. That means you're averaging two giveaways a game. You're not gonna win that way unless you, you know, somehow get like forty takeaways and you have a you know, positive plus mind. Is that way, But the bet on that it's not a safe bet. Right, So I'm with Lance. Given what the contract is reportedly looking like, I think it makes a lot of sense. Is that the guy you want to hand your franchise over to start seventeen games? I don't think you've shown that he can do that. He's only thirty one years old. This is around when Gino Smith started figuring things out. Maybe Brian Dable can reach them and they can limit some of those issues. I don't think that were gonna disappear. But if instead of you know, maybe you cut them in half. Right, instead of having over a full season thirty interceptions, you only have fifteen or sixteen, which, by the way, still would almost led the league last year.

Right.

Right.

I think San Donal led the league with someone led the league with seventeen picks last year, if I remember seventeen. Yeah, So if you can get it down to there, does he give you a hope some hope? Sure, but that is something that has to be controlled in one way, shape or for him if you want to be a winning football team. But again, I want to go nuts. I don't think this is your answer. I think this is almost lance the break in case of emergency before the emergency. So they were afraid if, like you know, let's say they're in theory and I don't know if we can't confirm this is true. If they're waiting on Rodgers and Wilson, right, and they don't have an agreement with either one, maybe they're afraid that Jame's gone off for somewhere else and him as a backup option was going to disappear before you had a conclusion on Rogers and Wilson, before you know whether or not you're gonna be able to get a quarterback in the draft. They're like, all right, look, even if he turns out to be our third quarterback, Let's say if you draft one high and you get one of the other veterans, that's worth the price tag to make sure we have that in the building. So frankly, we're not desperate. We're like, all right, well, we gotta throw overpay for this guy. We gotta overdraft this guy. You want this guy in the building as a fallback option, as a just in case type of measure.

I think San Donal led the league with someone led the league with seventeen picks last year, if I remember seventeen. Yeah, So if you can get it down to there, does he give you a hope some hope? Sure, but that is something that has to be controlled in one way, shape or for him if you want to be a winning football team. But again, I want to go nuts. I don't think this is your answer. I think this is almost lance the break in case of emergency before the emergency. So they were afraid if, like you know, let's say they're in theory and I don't know if we can't confirm this is true. If they're waiting on Rodgers and Wilson, right, and they don't have an agreement with either one, maybe they're afraid that Jame's gone off for somewhere else and him as a backup option was going to disappear before you had a conclusion on Rogers and Wilson, before you know whether or not you're gonna be able to get a quarterback in the draft. They're like, all right, look, even if he turns out to be our third quarterback, Let's say if you draft one high and you get one of the other veterans, that's worth the price tag to make sure we have that in the building. So frankly, we're not desperate. We're like, all right, well, we gotta throw overpay for this guy. We gotta overdraft this guy. You want this guy in the building as a fallback option, as a just in case type of measure.

Yeah, I mean, you're not necessarily sacrificing your salary cap based on this decision, but you're protecting yourself because you can't roll the dice. What happens if all of a sudden, the draft provides developments that you didn't anticipate and you don't even get the quarterback you want. Okay, two guys might be gone, so and it's Tommy DeVito. Maybe you get a guy in the second to the third round. It's possible, but that may have not been the guy you really wanted. Okay, And now if the rookie's not available, then that means DeVito is your most proven quarterback. Are you willing to start him week one. I don't think they wanted to put themselves in that position. So Jamis at least is a more established starter.

Yeah, I mean, you're not necessarily sacrificing your salary cap based on this decision, but you're protecting yourself because you can't roll the dice. What happens if all of a sudden, the draft provides developments that you didn't anticipate and you don't even get the quarterback you want. Okay, two guys might be gone, so and it's Tommy DeVito. Maybe you get a guy in the second to the third round. It's possible, but that may have not been the guy you really wanted. Okay, And now if the rookie's not available, then that means DeVito is your most proven quarterback. Are you willing to start him week one. I don't think they wanted to put themselves in that position. So Jamis at least is a more established starter.

Pack lends last year. They didn't want to be able to do the backup week one correct otherwise they want to sign Drew Locke. So I think that tells us all we need to know without of doubt.

Pack lends last year. They didn't want to be able to do the backup week one correct otherwise they want to sign Drew Locke. So I think that tells us all we need to know without of doubt.

And I think also based on how they're exploring their options right now, I think that tells them all they need to know, as well as everybody else on the outside. So they know that they have to improve that position overall, top to bottom based on the developments from last season, and they also need to protect themselves in the event that the draft does go according to plan. Who's to say that rookie is ready to go day one. I mean there's a lot to learn and also a lot to be gained, I think when you don't rush a quarterback onto the field. So that's why there is once again value in having the established veteran. But when we're talking about the established veteran, somebody that could keep your offense afloat and keep your team competitive, and there's different differentials with respect to all of those layers. A few things I just want to pity the back off of what you had to say. Kirk, Cousins and Baker Mayfield had sixteen interceptions. That was tied for the lead last season. Baker had that against forty one touchdowns, by the way, so perspective is needed. Kirk was eighteen sixteen, but of course, you know he got banged up, and he also had a very rocky season.

And I think also based on how they're exploring their options right now, I think that tells them all they need to know, as well as everybody else on the outside. So they know that they have to improve that position overall, top to bottom based on the developments from last season, and they also need to protect themselves in the event that the draft does go according to plan. Who's to say that rookie is ready to go day one. I mean there's a lot to learn and also a lot to be gained, I think when you don't rush a quarterback onto the field. So that's why there is once again value in having the established veteran. But when we're talking about the established veteran, somebody that could keep your offense afloat and keep your team competitive, and there's different differentials with respect to all of those layers. A few things I just want to pity the back off of what you had to say. Kirk, Cousins and Baker Mayfield had sixteen interceptions. That was tied for the lead last season. Baker had that against forty one touchdowns, by the way, so perspective is needed. Kirk was eighteen sixteen, but of course, you know he got banged up, and he also had a very rocky season.

In this day in age lands, you want to have a two to one oh without hesitatio. If you don't have a one touchdown interception ratio, it's not the best.

In this day in age lands, you want to have a two to one oh without hesitatio. If you don't have a one touchdown interception ratio, it's not the best.

Darnold was right behind them with actually twelve. Geno was in the middle at fifteen, so that was pretty much where the numbers were. Darnold had thirty five touchdowns in twelve picks twelve this season. Yeah, most of his deceptions came late in the season because he was pretty steady at least in the early stages. And that's a big reason why obviously, see I don't decided to go in his direction. The Niners were six and ten during that twenty twenty season. That was if you remember when Nick Mullins had the impressive performance here at MetLife Stadium against the Giants and all the Niners went down with the turf. Remember they were complaining because they got hurt against the Jets the three of these week.

Darnold was right behind them with actually twelve. Geno was in the middle at fifteen, so that was pretty much where the numbers were. Darnold had thirty five touchdowns in twelve picks twelve this season. Yeah, most of his deceptions came late in the season because he was pretty steady at least in the early stages. And that's a big reason why obviously, see I don't decided to go in his direction. The Niners were six and ten during that twenty twenty season. That was if you remember when Nick Mullins had the impressive performance here at MetLife Stadium against the Giants and all the Niners went down with the turf. Remember they were complaining because they got hurt against the Jets the three of these week.

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Iowa state quarterback not Mullins? Am I wrong? Am I remembering that wrong? Who is their Iowa State quarterback?

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Not pretty? Obviously? The other ring up this was because Nick Mullens.

This was the thirty six to nine lopsided loss for Yeah, I remember three hundred and forty three, and Datino was on the touchdoam showl all over, confident about how they were gonna wipe the floor.

This was the thirty six to nine lopsided loss for Yeah, I remember three hundred and forty three, and Datino was on the touchdoam showl all over, confident about how they were gonna wipe the floor.

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At the point nine ers? Correct?

Yes, And Jerk McKinnon had a nice game in this contest too, So I don't think there was another quarterback that got into this game, but I'm looking it up. Yeah, Mullins was the only quarterbacks. McKinnon had a touchdown in that game. And then Jeff Wilson also played with a young Brandon Ayuk. They lost George Kittle the previous week and Nick Bosa went to be Okay, CJ be.

Yes, And Jerk McKinnon had a nice game in this contest too, So I don't think there was another quarterback that got into this game, but I'm looking it up. Yeah, Mullins was the only quarterbacks. McKinnon had a touchdown in that game. And then Jeff Wilson also played with a young Brandon Ayuk. They lost George Kittle the previous week and Nick Bosa went to be Okay, CJ be.

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Bethard also went to Iowa sad I remember, correct or did he go to Iowa. He went to Iowa sorry wrong, wrong Iowa school.

Bethard also went to Iowa sad I remember, correct or did he go to Iowa. He went to Iowa sorry wrong, wrong Iowa school.

Yes, no, And Bethart has had some flashes during the course of his career, if I'm great, he may have. Actually, wasn't there a game in San Francisco that Bethard I think got in against the Giants made that was a little bit early. I think that's the game you're thinking.

Yes, no, And Bethart has had some flashes during the course of his career, if I'm great, he may have. Actually, wasn't there a game in San Francisco that Bethard I think got in against the Giants made that was a little bit early. I think that's the game you're thinking.

That's probably the you I'm thinking about. Yeah, yeah, CJ. Bethard, by the way, was on that twenty twenty nine er team too. Was him the moment he was a backhole? Correct? Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

That's probably the you I'm thinking about. Yeah, yeah, CJ. Bethard, by the way, was on that twenty twenty nine er team too. Was him the moment he was a backhole? Correct? Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

Garoppolo was another guy that went down the previous week against the Jets. I just wanted it once again bring that up in terms of some statistics from that contest to just to show you once again the takeaway to struggle correlation when it comes to the trends that we've seen during the course of the season. You mentioned, could maybe Brian Dable get Jamis to head back to what was I think his best season statistically was the same season twenty one correct, So what you're saying is he has to repeat what Sean Payton got out of Jamis, which other coaches have struggled to do fourteen touchdowns, five.

Garoppolo was another guy that went down the previous week against the Jets. I just wanted it once again bring that up in terms of some statistics from that contest to just to show you once again the takeaway to struggle correlation when it comes to the trends that we've seen during the course of the season. You mentioned, could maybe Brian Dable get Jamis to head back to what was I think his best season statistically was the same season twenty one correct, So what you're saying is he has to repeat what Sean Payton got out of Jamis, which other coaches have struggled to do fourteen touchdowns, five.

Picks, three three picks. That's easy.

Picks, three three picks. That's easy.

Yeah, now still small sample size. He got hurt that year. I would have loved for for Jamis.

Yeah, now still small sample size. He got hurt that year. I would have loved for for Jamis.

Five and two of that year I think was five and two. I believe five and two.

Five and two of that year I think was five and two. I believe five and two.

The team was five and two with him as in those seven starts that is correct, and he threw for over eleven hundred yards. His completetion percentage that season was just under sixty.

The team was five and two with him as in those seven starts that is correct, and he threw for over eleven hundred yards. His completetion percentage that season was just under sixty.

And they weren't asking him to do a lot. They were seven starts, eleven hundred yards. That's not like, that's not not even te hundred yards a game. Correct.

And they weren't asking him to do a lot. They were seven starts, eleven hundred yards. That's not like, that's not not even te hundred yards a game. Correct.

If you go back and you watch the film from that season, what Sean got him to understand was you don't have to put on the cape and go for the home run. You could take the bass hits in the doubles. I like to use the baseball analogy because you see, Jamis is the equivalency of when baseball was saved after the strike and McGuire and Sosa right, living and dying by the long ball.

If you go back and you watch the film from that season, what Sean got him to understand was you don't have to put on the cape and go for the home run. You could take the bass hits in the doubles. I like to use the baseball analogy because you see, Jamis is the equivalency of when baseball was saved after the strike and McGuire and Sosa right, living and dying by the long ball.

Right, I remember there was a phrase, right, chicks dig the long ball. He's Joe Bow just Adam done to me is a better. That's the perfect Adam Done, Adam strike out king, right, but the guy hit the long ball. Now, for those of you from the younger generation, Adam Dunn was a guy that wore a Red's uniform at one point during his big league career. Anyway, I digress to get back to the top again. Hey, you better remember it's funny some people have no idea who that Ladam Done is. I was gonna say Rob Deer back in like the late eighties, nobody would have any idea who that was. So yeah, I mean, you really were gonna start dating yourselves. Rob Rober he was like the first guy that was like a two to ten hitter but at like thirty home runs. Well, if you're talking about big home runs, big strikeouts, Adam Done, Steve Steve Balboni, does that get you expow that's a I feel like you're naming character is from a little big league those players. I know. Yeah, here's what do you do? Have any idea who about dear or Steve Balboni is? Yeah, I would say, yeah, chances are very low under the circumsais.

Right, I remember there was a phrase, right, chicks dig the long ball. He's Joe Bow just Adam done to me is a better. That's the perfect Adam Done, Adam strike out king, right, but the guy hit the long ball. Now, for those of you from the younger generation, Adam Dunn was a guy that wore a Red's uniform at one point during his big league career. Anyway, I digress to get back to the top again. Hey, you better remember it's funny some people have no idea who that Ladam Done is. I was gonna say Rob Deer back in like the late eighties, nobody would have any idea who that was. So yeah, I mean, you really were gonna start dating yourselves. Rob Rober he was like the first guy that was like a two to ten hitter but at like thirty home runs. Well, if you're talking about big home runs, big strikeouts, Adam Done, Steve Steve Balboni, does that get you expow that's a I feel like you're naming character is from a little big league those players. I know. Yeah, here's what do you do? Have any idea who about dear or Steve Balboni is? Yeah, I would say, yeah, chances are very low under the circumsais.

But anyway, getting back to the point, so I use the baseball analogy when I look at Jameis Winston's career because he loved to go for the long ball. He likes to go for the home run, and that has been problematic for him during his career.

But anyway, getting back to the point, so I use the baseball analogy when I look at Jameis Winston's career because he loved to go for the long ball. He likes to go for the home run, and that has been problematic for him during his career.

Jamis has a great arm. Jamis can hook up with the best of them that have blazing speed. We make some great book campacities without a doubt. And that's why.

Jamis has a great arm. Jamis can hook up with the best of them that have blazing speed. We make some great book campacities without a doubt. And that's why.

If you want an idea of the roller coaster known as Jameis Winston, go back to the Monday night game Cleveland against Denver earlier this year.

If you want an idea of the roller coaster known as Jameis Winston, go back to the Monday night game Cleveland against Denver earlier this year.

It had the highs of.

It had the highs of.

What Jamis could do where one place seventy yards touchdown and then it had the comeback down to earth mode.

What Jamis could do where one place seventy yards touchdown and then it had the comeback down to earth mode.

It's funny we did our reaction. I did the reaction video to Jamis over the weekend and the first thing I said, it's been a roller coaster of a career for Jamis.

It's funny we did our reaction. I did the reaction video to Jamis over the weekend and the first thing I said, it's been a roller coaster of a career for Jamis.

I mean that to me is the best term. So you have to understand that. You know, gunslinger is another term that comes up. Now, Gunslinger was utilized in association with Brett Farr and of course of his crewd Now those guys are Hall of famers, correct, So you gotta be careful when you throw out that term. There are some guys that were gunslingers but did a nice job navigated. I think I think you have categories of gunslingers. You know, you have, like, the think of a famous gun slinger quick?

I mean that to me is the best term. So you have to understand that. You know, gunslinger is another term that comes up. Now, Gunslinger was utilized in association with Brett Farr and of course of his crewd Now those guys are Hall of famers, correct, So you gotta be careful when you throw out that term. There are some guys that were gunslingers but did a nice job navigated. I think I think you have categories of gunslingers. You know, you have, like, the think of a famous gun slinger quick?

Uh about acting? No, just like in you know his history. Who's who's the guy that was famous for the Well that's you're saying. You're talking about like acting.

Uh about acting? No, just like in you know his history. Who's who's the guy that was famous for the Well that's you're saying. You're talking about like acting.

Yeah, well it could be an actor, it could be a real life person. Oh okay, well I was thinking like Clint Eastwoode. Sure, that's what I was thinking.

Yeah, well it could be an actor, it could be a real life person. Oh okay, well I was thinking like Clint Eastwoode. Sure, that's what I was thinking.

Quick in the day, good one. Well they start together in a few films. DiCaprio's in that too, it was excellent. Yeah. I don't know if I label him as a gun slinger in the movie. Okay, I was naming actors that at least were synonymous with that label. To John Wayne that they correct, gunslinger. Yes, yeah, so you have the John Wayne category, then you have the Leo DiCaprio. Correct. Now they now are buying what you're Yes, So it took a little time, but we got there. You know, not all Gudsley has always hit their targets, correct, you know, shoot right, yeah, bystanders, you know, that's it's not very good accurate deflections. The soundtrack goes all over the place correct in terms of the movie editing. So Jamis, you know, has had once again his ups and downs, but two thousand, once again twenty one is the seven game sample size to look at, which proves coaching did help him understand that. But once again with him getting hurt, you just wonder was the law of average John that season eventually going to come back into play or was that just going to be an outlier of a year. I don't know.

Quick in the day, good one. Well they start together in a few films. DiCaprio's in that too, it was excellent. Yeah. I don't know if I label him as a gun slinger in the movie. Okay, I was naming actors that at least were synonymous with that label. To John Wayne that they correct, gunslinger. Yes, yeah, so you have the John Wayne category, then you have the Leo DiCaprio. Correct. Now they now are buying what you're Yes, So it took a little time, but we got there. You know, not all Gudsley has always hit their targets, correct, you know, shoot right, yeah, bystanders, you know, that's it's not very good accurate deflections. The soundtrack goes all over the place correct in terms of the movie editing. So Jamis, you know, has had once again his ups and downs, but two thousand, once again twenty one is the seven game sample size to look at, which proves coaching did help him understand that. But once again with him getting hurt, you just wonder was the law of average John that season eventually going to come back into play or was that just going to be an outlier of a year. I don't know.

We can't answer that because there was half a season still to be played. I felt bad because I thought Jamis could have been a special season for him. I really would have liked to see the completeness of that year. We just, unfortunately will never know. The other thing that stands out to me, and I love to tell this story for those of you who have watched Hard Knocks over the years, there was one that the Bucks were on Hard Knocks okay, and this was the year where Jamis was the starting quarterback and Dirt Cutter was the head coach.

We can't answer that because there was half a season still to be played. I felt bad because I thought Jamis could have been a special season for him. I really would have liked to see the completeness of that year. We just, unfortunately will never know. The other thing that stands out to me, and I love to tell this story for those of you who have watched Hard Knocks over the years, there was one that the Bucks were on Hard Knocks okay, and this was the year where Jamis was the starting quarterback and Dirt Cutter was the head coach.

I feel I don't need to watch the AFC North one from this past year now, Absolutely no and I've watched that and he's actually on there too. That's that's why you can watch it. I've watched it every year. I just never got to it this year. I'm gonna have to do that now.

I feel I don't need to watch the AFC North one from this past year now, Absolutely no and I've watched that and he's actually on there too. That's that's why you can watch it. I've watched it every year. I just never got to it this year. I'm gonna have to do that now.

Yeah, and you see Jamis's personality once again. He's built for a show like that. Because I will say this, regardless of Ex's and O's, there will never be a dull moment this season if Jamis does get his fair share of snack, because he's pure entertainment, whether it's on or off the field. The man knows that it's sports entertainment. He fully understands that and embodies that.

Yeah, and you see Jamis's personality once again. He's built for a show like that. Because I will say this, regardless of Ex's and O's, there will never be a dull moment this season if Jamis does get his fair share of snack, because he's pure entertainment, whether it's on or off the field. The man knows that it's sports entertainment. He fully understands that and embodies that.

Now.

Now.

I know fans want to be entertained with the wins more so than the ebbs and flows of what happens on the sideline, But the man has a personality. Yeah, at least need to give him his due from that standpoint.

I know fans want to be entertained with the wins more so than the ebbs and flows of what happens on the sideline, But the man has a personality. Yeah, at least need to give him his due from that standpoint.

But what I was alluding to is so a few years back, the Bucks were featured on Hard Knocks and there is a great give and take and back and forth between Dirt Cutter and Jamis and you could probably find on YouTube. And he calls Jamis into his office and this is during training camp and what he's trying to explain to him. He goes, Jamis, we got a lot of weapons around you this season, we got a much more respectable defense.

But what I was alluding to is so a few years back, the Bucks were featured on Hard Knocks and there is a great give and take and back and forth between Dirt Cutter and Jamis and you could probably find on YouTube. And he calls Jamis into his office and this is during training camp and what he's trying to explain to him. He goes, Jamis, we got a lot of weapons around you this season, we got a much more respectable defense.

The onus is not on you this year.

The onus is not on you this year.

That you have to feel as if you have to elevate everybody or you have to once again, I'd like to use the term put on the kpe be a superhero. And Dirk was explaining this to him, and you know, he was trying to get him to digest the fact that it's okay to take a ten yard completion as opposed to a forty yard bomb. And that, to me, is the perfect conversation that I love to bring up because that's the fine line that Jamis has walked throughout his career.

That you have to feel as if you have to elevate everybody or you have to once again, I'd like to use the term put on the kpe be a superhero. And Dirk was explaining this to him, and you know, he was trying to get him to digest the fact that it's okay to take a ten yard completion as opposed to a forty yard bomb. And that, to me, is the perfect conversation that I love to bring up because that's the fine line that Jamis has walked throughout his career.

Do I go for the home run? Do I play it safe? And that's what to me, has defined his career. Do you got wild Bill?

Do I go for the home run? Do I play it safe? And that's what to me, has defined his career. Do you got wild Bill?

Good?

Good?

Wild Bill? Is another one? Why yes? Okay? Kevin Consner, obviously, Billy the Kid, Jesse James who was the famous criminal more than Goslings and all these have been made into movies. Annie Oakley is actually from my town and not believe it or not really wow, the more Annie Oakley is there a statue of Annie Oakley. No, but there there was a restaurant called the Oakley though. Okay, and Matt, I'm assuming he's after the fact.

Wild Bill? Is another one? Why yes? Okay? Kevin Consner, obviously, Billy the Kid, Jesse James who was the famous criminal more than Goslings and all these have been made into movies. Annie Oakley is actually from my town and not believe it or not really wow, the more Annie Oakley is there a statue of Annie Oakley. No, but there there was a restaurant called the Oakley though. Okay, and Matt, I'm assuming he's after the fact.

Yes, I believe that's correct. Okay, Gotcha, have you been campaigning for a statue?

Yes, I believe that's correct. Okay, Gotcha, have you been campaigning for a statue?

No?

No?

Have you taken up that? I don't have it at the local. Any much knowledge or love for Annie Oakley? Okay? I didn't know whether or not Nutley you were passionate. Okay, now I'm not not gotch. Martha Stewart also from notice she actually went in the same elementary school as my daughter. Really, okay? Did she then follow through middle school and high school? And Nutley as well? I think? Did I think she leaves town? Not, as far as I know. Not a gunslinger, No, at least last I checked. Yes, certainly is handy with her hands in terms of other areas that she has created. But no, not necessarily guns absolutely not. All right, do you want to go through the other two guys they brought in real quickly before James, Sorry, really quick, folks. I know they might have mentioned this briefly on last Friday show. Giants have agreed the terms? Are both these signed? Pearson? Do we know how about Pascal. Do we know if he's no, that's okay. So over the weekend, Zach Pascal agreeed the terms according to reports, depending on physical but little Jordan Humphrey was in last week. Let's go with the receivers first, he is officially signed. So two big body wide receivers lands over six foot six four two twenty five of Little Jordan Huphy. There's actually a report out there from Benjamin Albright that he might try to turn into a tight end. He didn't mention that to me in my five minute conversation with him, so I don't know. Maybe I was asking on playing wide receiver. He didn't think say no, I'm gonna be a tight end. So well, we've seen that transition before.

Have you taken up that? I don't have it at the local. Any much knowledge or love for Annie Oakley? Okay? I didn't know whether or not Nutley you were passionate. Okay, now I'm not not gotch. Martha Stewart also from notice she actually went in the same elementary school as my daughter. Really, okay? Did she then follow through middle school and high school? And Nutley as well? I think? Did I think she leaves town? Not, as far as I know. Not a gunslinger, No, at least last I checked. Yes, certainly is handy with her hands in terms of other areas that she has created. But no, not necessarily guns absolutely not. All right, do you want to go through the other two guys they brought in real quickly before James, Sorry, really quick, folks. I know they might have mentioned this briefly on last Friday show. Giants have agreed the terms? Are both these signed? Pearson? Do we know how about Pascal. Do we know if he's no, that's okay. So over the weekend, Zach Pascal agreeed the terms according to reports, depending on physical but little Jordan Humphrey was in last week. Let's go with the receivers first, he is officially signed. So two big body wide receivers lands over six foot six four two twenty five of Little Jordan Huphy. There's actually a report out there from Benjamin Albright that he might try to turn into a tight end. He didn't mention that to me in my five minute conversation with him, so I don't know. Maybe I was asking on playing wide receiver. He didn't think say no, I'm gonna be a tight end. So well, we've seen that transition before.

We have.

We have.

And then Zach Pascal again, these guys are both been in the league five, six, seven years, bigger wide receivers, both big time special teams players, and they just added some more big bodies to that room.

And then Zach Pascal again, these guys are both been in the league five, six, seven years, bigger wide receivers, both big time special teams players, and they just added some more big bodies to that room.

Yeah, Pasco goes back to twenty seventeen, little Jordan Humphrey twenty nineteen. So these are veterans who are, like you said, taller wide out. So you got pascals at six two Jordan Humphrey is at six.

Yeah, Pasco goes back to twenty seventeen, little Jordan Humphrey twenty nineteen. So these are veterans who are, like you said, taller wide out. So you got pascals at six two Jordan Humphrey is at six.

Four and both well over tourno pounds. Yeah, well, you know they got a frame to them. And listen, you need diversity in the wide receiver room. So I don't think this is necessarily a duplication. Remember we talked about that a lot that they had, you know, crafty, smaller guys.

Four and both well over tourno pounds. Yeah, well, you know they got a frame to them. And listen, you need diversity in the wide receiver room. So I don't think this is necessarily a duplication. Remember we talked about that a lot that they had, you know, crafty, smaller guys.

Well, this is not something that the wide receiver room had an abundance of last season. So these guys, they'll come in, they'll compete, and we'll see how things play out. I mean, clearly, if you look at the numbers game, they're not keeping all of these guys on the fifty three man roster. Yep, it's just there's not enough spots. The interesting takeaway that I had also, and it's a small world. Mike grow who is the Giants wide receivers coach. He was with Pascal in Indianapolis for two years twenty twenty two. Pascal got most of his playing time correct and I wouldn't dismiss that because, I mean, what happens a lot in free agents that John he had double digit starts in a couple of his years in Indianapolis. I think he had twelve starts one year and ten starts the other if I recall properly, he had let's see, he had thirteen starts in twenty nineteen with Indy. He had fourteen in twenty twenty, and then thirteen and twenty twenties. So three or the last two years though.

Well, this is not something that the wide receiver room had an abundance of last season. So these guys, they'll come in, they'll compete, and we'll see how things play out. I mean, clearly, if you look at the numbers game, they're not keeping all of these guys on the fifty three man roster. Yep, it's just there's not enough spots. The interesting takeaway that I had also, and it's a small world. Mike grow who is the Giants wide receivers coach. He was with Pascal in Indianapolis for two years twenty twenty two. Pascal got most of his playing time correct and I wouldn't dismiss that because, I mean, what happens a lot in free agents that John he had double digit starts in a couple of his years in Indianapolis. I think he had twelve starts one year and ten starts the other if I recall properly, he had let's see, he had thirteen starts in twenty nineteen with Indy. He had fourteen in twenty twenty, and then thirteen and twenty twenties. So three or the last two years though.

Was with micro got it.

Was with micro got it.

So I think that familiarity component could very well play a role speaking in that one other thing that I forgot to mention that I wanted to bring up. Ken Dorsey was the offensive coordinator for the Browns last season. Now, why is that interesting? Dorsey worked under Brian Dable. Now, Joe Shane was there too, but I'm focusing on the staff. He was the QB coach in Buffalo.

So I think that familiarity component could very well play a role speaking in that one other thing that I forgot to mention that I wanted to bring up. Ken Dorsey was the offensive coordinator for the Browns last season. Now, why is that interesting? Dorsey worked under Brian Dable. Now, Joe Shane was there too, but I'm focusing on the staff. He was the QB coach in Buffalo.

Okay.

Okay.

So the reason, once again I'll bring this up is it's not to say, oh, Jamis is going to have a great grasp of the Giants offense. I'm sure a lot of things have changed, but I guarantee you Dable picked up the phone and said, hey, Ken, what was it like working with Jamis last season?

So the reason, once again I'll bring this up is it's not to say, oh, Jamis is going to have a great grasp of the Giants offense. I'm sure a lot of things have changed, but I guarantee you Dable picked up the phone and said, hey, Ken, what was it like working with Jamis last season?

Okay?

Okay?

What was he like in the quarterback room? Same thing with Mike grow being able to weigh in, Let's bring in Zach Pascal. Why because when he got x hmount of snaps in the two years I was with him. He showed something was there. Let's bring him in, let him compete.

What was he like in the quarterback room? Same thing with Mike grow being able to weigh in, Let's bring in Zach Pascal. Why because when he got x hmount of snaps in the two years I was with him. He showed something was there. Let's bring him in, let him compete.

And same thing for Victor D. Mukaji who they brought in and edge rusher, and I'd like to build up. You did to that last name, get help you? Really? You sold it that audience too, Was it true? Where are you gonna go? Please? I didn't want to interrupt him. That was intriguing. Yes, okay, to make sure I had it right. No, it was good. I liked it. There was a momentary pause, Victor, dramatic pause. Yes, Dean mcagey rose right off the tome. Yes, probably practice so a little bit bigger six two two sixty, much like Chauncey Golston who they brought in earlier in free agency eight starts. But he was coached by Charlie Bowen in Arizona, so there's a connection there. Uh. Again, he's a bigger edge. He can set the edge against the run. He can play a little three technique and rush the passer on third down, so he gives you another pass rush in those situations. The thing that intrigued me about him, he's got thirty three in charms, so even though he's only six to two, he's got long arms, so that's good for leverage. And the last two years Lance he did over fifteen percent pressure rate on his pass rushing, which is a really good number. Got home with limited opportunities. The volume wasn't huge, but in his opportunities he got pressures pretty good percentage at the time. So you know, the best pass rushers aren't like eighteen nineteen, twenty percent, so he's not far from there like a guy like you know, Tiboda. I think it was around ten percent last year, just to give an example, right, So I think there is some pass rush upside there in terms of ability to get to the quarterback. He's a smart guy. He went to duke the first interviews up there now you guys go check it out on the website on the YouTube channel, saying with little Johan Humphrey by the way, but uh, I think he's another guy that can add to an edge room that you know, it makes it less imperative to have to draft one. Now, is he gonna We got a great guy here. We love well. We sorry, Victor tim mcasy, We're not gonna draft anymo. I'm not saying that, but it gives you less of a depth need at that spot. Now where you got Thibodeau, you got Burns, you got to mccagey, you got Chauncey, Golston, Tom and Fox came back. So you're feel a little bit better about your numbers in that room. Yeah, I look at Golston to me, is the third guy a bunch of equation. Absolutely, But Golston also is an inside outside guy. So on plays where you move Golston inside, there could be an opportunity for somebody else. It's interesting you're bringing up the pass rush numbers. He reminded me a little bit of a Zezo Jalai getting home, right, because o Jelari was like that to a certain degree. I'm not saying exactly. Is a better pure speed like twitchy pass rusher than de Mucagi is? No, But I guess what do you know? I don't know offhand?

And same thing for Victor D. Mukaji who they brought in and edge rusher, and I'd like to build up. You did to that last name, get help you? Really? You sold it that audience too, Was it true? Where are you gonna go? Please? I didn't want to interrupt him. That was intriguing. Yes, okay, to make sure I had it right. No, it was good. I liked it. There was a momentary pause, Victor, dramatic pause. Yes, Dean mcagey rose right off the tome. Yes, probably practice so a little bit bigger six two two sixty, much like Chauncey Golston who they brought in earlier in free agency eight starts. But he was coached by Charlie Bowen in Arizona, so there's a connection there. Uh. Again, he's a bigger edge. He can set the edge against the run. He can play a little three technique and rush the passer on third down, so he gives you another pass rush in those situations. The thing that intrigued me about him, he's got thirty three in charms, so even though he's only six to two, he's got long arms, so that's good for leverage. And the last two years Lance he did over fifteen percent pressure rate on his pass rushing, which is a really good number. Got home with limited opportunities. The volume wasn't huge, but in his opportunities he got pressures pretty good percentage at the time. So you know, the best pass rushers aren't like eighteen nineteen, twenty percent, so he's not far from there like a guy like you know, Tiboda. I think it was around ten percent last year, just to give an example, right, So I think there is some pass rush upside there in terms of ability to get to the quarterback. He's a smart guy. He went to duke the first interviews up there now you guys go check it out on the website on the YouTube channel, saying with little Johan Humphrey by the way, but uh, I think he's another guy that can add to an edge room that you know, it makes it less imperative to have to draft one. Now, is he gonna We got a great guy here. We love well. We sorry, Victor tim mcasy, We're not gonna draft anymo. I'm not saying that, but it gives you less of a depth need at that spot. Now where you got Thibodeau, you got Burns, you got to mccagey, you got Chauncey, Golston, Tom and Fox came back. So you're feel a little bit better about your numbers in that room. Yeah, I look at Golston to me, is the third guy a bunch of equation. Absolutely, But Golston also is an inside outside guy. So on plays where you move Golston inside, there could be an opportunity for somebody else. It's interesting you're bringing up the pass rush numbers. He reminded me a little bit of a Zezo Jalai getting home, right, because o Jelari was like that to a certain degree. I'm not saying exactly. Is a better pure speed like twitchy pass rusher than de Mucagi is? No, But I guess what do you know? I don't know offhand?

Do you have the number the equivalent seed to d mukag You know about the fifteen percent getting home?

Do you have the number the equivalent seed to d mukag You know about the fifteen percent getting home?

Give me two minutes old Jaalari while you look that up.

Give me two minutes old Jaalari while you look that up.

Remember he was another guy that battled injury, so there would be years where he didn't play a lot, but he got home a lot. So dmukg reminded me of that. But you look at his experience. He hasn't played more than thirty seven percent of the defensive snaps. That was twenty twenty three when he did have four sac.

Remember he was another guy that battled injury, so there would be years where he didn't play a lot, but he got home a lot. So dmukg reminded me of that. But you look at his experience. He hasn't played more than thirty seven percent of the defensive snaps. That was twenty twenty three when he did have four sac.

Yeah, I'm not trying to make it full time or he's no, I'm just giving more numbers to the audience that I'm actually very happy you did.

Yeah, I'm not trying to make it full time or he's no, I'm just giving more numbers to the audience that I'm actually very happy you did.

Is I should have said that, but I guess once again, when you brought up the pass rushing percentage, I vividly remember O Jalari being high for somebody that didn't have an overwhelming amount of snaps, And when I was looking up the ins and outs of d Mukgi, was that the same thing came to mind.

Is I should have said that, but I guess once again, when you brought up the pass rushing percentage, I vividly remember O Jalari being high for somebody that didn't have an overwhelming amount of snaps, And when I was looking up the ins and outs of d Mukgi, was that the same thing came to mind.

So I'll pour twenty four starting at twenty four, going back to his rookie year eleven ten percent, thirteen and a half percent, and then ten and a half percent.

So I'll pour twenty four starting at twenty four, going back to his rookie year eleven ten percent, thirteen and a half percent, and then ten and a half percent.

Okay, So the thirteen and a half percent was his highest, Yes, that was in his second year. That was his second year, okay, So you would argue d mukage less time than O Jalai, but still in that mid teen area. Is where o Jelai at least ended up in terms of his peak. I'm talking about it throughout his career.

Okay, So the thirteen and a half percent was his highest, Yes, that was in his second year. That was his second year, okay, So you would argue d mukage less time than O Jalai, but still in that mid teen area. Is where o Jelai at least ended up in terms of his peak. I'm talking about it throughout his career.

So you know, this is a little bit of a by low and maybe get a high reward type of addition. Thibodeaux, by the way, is ten point eight percent, nine percent, eleven point seven percent, just to give you an idea of where those numbers now. In fairness though, but Thibodeaux, if you look at the snop rate, yep, compare it to d mucage.

So you know, this is a little bit of a by low and maybe get a high reward type of addition. Thibodeaux, by the way, is ten point eight percent, nine percent, eleven point seven percent, just to give you an idea of where those numbers now. In fairness though, but Thibodeaux, if you look at the snop rate, yep, compare it to d mucage.

It's on opposite ends of the spectrum. That's just at least important to note from that standpoint.

It's on opposite ends of the spectrum. That's just at least important to note from that standpoint.

Yeah, and his his pffoso' is win rate when they give like more of a lean towards sacks, quarterback hits then Harris where it counts some more in the formula. And that was always that was at fourteen and a half percent for Thibodeau last year. So depending on how you want to count these things up is it's always a little bit different. All right, Let's get to the calls to a one nine three nine four five one three. A lot of good stuff right there in the Johnsttle podcast. Is at home up yet Pearson or not yet? Not yet? All right, Eric get home will be coming up later on today. Interviewed him on Friday. His top one hundred is up on NFL dot Com. Always one of the best draft analysts out there. So I to go up this afternoon late last week. I'm having a blank, Pierce. So, what the heck did we put up at the end of last week in terms of puddles Chris Board and Ruyter Robertson Harris, Yeah, the interviews. Then we had one other. We had one other long form interview. I'm trying to remember what it was. Must have been that memorable dude. My head is same.

Yeah, and his his pffoso' is win rate when they give like more of a lean towards sacks, quarterback hits then Harris where it counts some more in the formula. And that was always that was at fourteen and a half percent for Thibodeau last year. So depending on how you want to count these things up is it's always a little bit different. All right, Let's get to the calls to a one nine three nine four five one three. A lot of good stuff right there in the Johnsttle podcast. Is at home up yet Pearson or not yet? Not yet? All right, Eric get home will be coming up later on today. Interviewed him on Friday. His top one hundred is up on NFL dot Com. Always one of the best draft analysts out there. So I to go up this afternoon late last week. I'm having a blank, Pierce. So, what the heck did we put up at the end of last week in terms of puddles Chris Board and Ruyter Robertson Harris, Yeah, the interviews. Then we had one other. We had one other long form interview. I'm trying to remember what it was. Must have been that memorable dude. My head is same.

We had Baldy Board Robertson Forsyth Hudson draft season.

We had Baldy Board Robertson Forsyth Hudson draft season.

Okay, so I didn't right to figure. Okay, So it's the Baldinger one that went up there. Yeah, which was which we talked about last week. So Bouldinger breaks down all the Giants free Asian editions. It's a lot of fun. Make sure you go check that out. And Johnsidtle podcast, by the way, it's coming your way tomorrow. That's always up there as well. Your search for it on your favorite podcast platforms, Giants dot Com, Slash podcast. All right, Joe One nine three, nine, four, five one three three calls all on the quarterbacks. Let's go to Jason and new Haven will lead us off a.

Okay, so I didn't right to figure. Okay, So it's the Baldinger one that went up there. Yeah, which was which we talked about last week. So Bouldinger breaks down all the Giants free Asian editions. It's a lot of fun. Make sure you go check that out. And Johnsidtle podcast, by the way, it's coming your way tomorrow. That's always up there as well. Your search for it on your favorite podcast platforms, Giants dot Com, Slash podcast. All right, Joe One nine three, nine, four, five one three three calls all on the quarterbacks. Let's go to Jason and new Haven will lead us off a.

Jason, Hey, what's going on, fellas?

Jason, Hey, what's going on, fellas?

What up?

What up?

I'm good man? Thanks taking my call, Yes, sir, I hope you got doing well? Just so quickly. I like the I like the Jamis Winston signing. Appears that the contract from what you gentlemen was saying, as a backup if I'm chaining Dable. I doubt They're going to put their careers on the line with Jamis as a starter. But just somebody to add to the quarterback room. You know, I don't see the big deal.

I'm good man? Thanks taking my call, Yes, sir, I hope you got doing well? Just so quickly. I like the I like the Jamis Winston signing. Appears that the contract from what you gentlemen was saying, as a backup if I'm chaining Dable. I doubt They're going to put their careers on the line with Jamis as a starter. But just somebody to add to the quarterback room. You know, I don't see the big deal.

It's someone you can trust to play if you have to do. Jason, and that's the point. And has a lot of starting experience. Yeah.

It's someone you can trust to play if you have to do. Jason, and that's the point. And has a lot of starting experience. Yeah.

Absolutely, and and and you know I like it. You know, add some have some talent and depth to our quarterback room which you didn't have. I have two questions for you guys as far as the draft is concerned, and you know, I'll take it off the air if you guys want to respond quickly. I mentioned it a few weeks ago when I called. And you know, I know that he's probably not going to be taken, you know, probably in the first Well, I can't even say that because we all know that quarterbacks to get overdrafted. That's just you know, what fans may think of a player and doesn't necessarily mean what what the team's draft for necessarily thinks about that player. I think we can all agree to that. Granted, we took Dan Jones sixth overall, so I keep coming back to this one player and I'm interested. Hear what you guys say, and you know, I may get some push back, and that's fine. But I've said before I think all these quarterbacks need to sit. That goes for wards to door dart Uh. I know a lot of people mentioned Shuck. I believe his name is how I think all these guys need to sit. That's just my opinion. You know, Worldward probably his first year, probably believe if he thinks he goes and Steel will probably start. But my god, I'm interested in and you know, I'll take it off the air. Maybe you guys, you guys are seeing him maybe a close or not. You know, when I look at a quarterback, I'm thinking of upside. Right if water Sanders isn't there, or if they are there and the Giants don't deem them to be you know, genera you know, quarterback to take him to the promised Land, or they're just both not there and they have to pick between Abdul or whatever or trade down. I don't know where this guy would go. I don't think he'll last to the third round. No people say he made last Jayalen Milroe. I know he didn't have a great season, changing with the change in the head coach and offensive steam in Alabama. You know, but you know, I've been thinking about him for a while. I mean, I'm not saying he'll be the savior of the franchise. That's not what the call is about. But in terms of stealing, you know, everybody talks about a ceiling what a quarterback can be. I don't know, he just he's just real intriguing to me. Now where he'll be picked, where he'll be drafted. You know, I don't know that that's for scouts and quote unquote draft quote unquote experts to I guess ponder about, but I don't know. Something about him just intrigues me. The running ability. You know, in the in the league where we do you do need a quarterback?