Kathleen's sister Gayle Farrel and her Patriot group in Coos Bay, Oregon have successfully shut down the vaccine mobile units that were attempting to inject children with experimental "vaccines", with little or no parental consent. How did they do it? In this conversation, Kathleen and Gayle explore this success.  Gayle also describes, drawing on her years of teaching in California schools, how the socialized public school system squashes individuality and creativity, failing teachers and students.  There are other alternatives for parents!