Hey, what's up. Welcome back to Beyond the Scenes. I'm Roy Wood Jr. Now people have asked me to explain this podcast. You remember growing up as a child and your mom would drop you off at your grandma's house for the summer because she didn't want to have ship else to do with you for two three months during the summer vacation, and your grandma would be making the cake in the cake batter, and she'd have a mixer and get on the mixer and go around and they get the cake. The cake batter would be dribbling off of those spinny things. I don't know what to call, but your grandma would go, baby, you want some cake, and you go yes, and then she would give you those little spinny things and you would licked it back. It was like extra cake cake that you wasn't even counting on getting, you also got. That's basically what this podcast is. This podcast is the extra drizzle of cake batter off of the spinny mixer thing whatever a hill they're called. Today Beyond the Scenes they're called paddles. I didn't know that. Dulce Sloan, who I will now introduce, I did not. I'm sorry. It's fine, we're talking. It's a podcast. Who gives a ship? This isn't TV. Those are TV rules. You can talk whenever you want to. The voice you're hearing is corresponded Dulce Sloan. And we dived into a piece on the Daily Show about the Karendimmick. And before we get into the guest, let's just hear a little snippet of that. This weekend was the first weekend of summer, and you know what that means, same thing as every weekend white women were calling one on black baby this morning. A California woman is facing outrage online after a now viral video shows her allegedly calling police on an eight year old black girl selling bottles of water with her mother on a sidewalk. She called the police on an eight year old low girl, you hide all you want, yeah, and illegally throwing water without a permit. The woman, identified as Alice and Edel now being dubbed on social media as permit Patty. This comes after several widely reported instances of white people calling the police on African Americans who are living their everyday lives. So joining us to talk a little bit more about this epidemic of white people calling the police on black people. Who really wasn't doing nothing is Daily Show writer Josh Johnson, and of course my wonderful, wonderful friend Dulcey Sloan, fellow Daily Show correspondent, Josh, did you know that they was called paddles? Uh? No, but I had a feeling it was something like that. I wouldn't have called it a paddle. It don't look like a paddle. Why not spend yeah, spin or a spindle? Yeah. I mean, whoever came up with the paddle is no fun I hear you. Some people do call him blades like in the mixer, but they're no more paddles. They're more uh lick it. I don't want to think of it as a palade, you know, exactly care that's the thing they'll say. I still think the analogy flies the Daily Show on Comedy Central. That's the cake. That's what you get on a regular basis. You can count on that. But this podcast, this is the extra drizzle. Yeah, you're going to be very high. So the drizzle we're talking about today, delicious, I think is the word you were looking for, Josh, not um. The Karendemic and everything that's been happening, you know, can you basically I'll let you define this for me. They'll say, for the people who don't know, what is a quote Karen, it is any white woman that is weaponizing her privilege also in weaponizing victimhood is what a Karen is for me. So not every white woman is a Karen, but every white woman can be a Karen kind of like you know, all squares are rectangles, but not our rectangles are squares. Yes, it took me a second from Alabama public schools, but yes, also went to school in Louisiana and it was I went to school in Gwynette County in north across Georgia, and so I don't know what was going on with yall was at But what do you want to say, the education at all? I mean I would just go in the second county in the state. So I hear when you think about the art of quote Karen ing like, I guess one that one of the biggest profile incidents was Amy Cooper and the bird watching situation where a black dude that's a white woman, could you put your dog on a leash you're in a bird park. You ain't supposed to have the dog off the leash, and she threatened to call the police, knowing that the police threatening the police on a black person could be a death sentence, And so there was this weaponization of her own victimhood to make him look But thankfully the camera phone guild. The camera phone. Where would we be right now? What I a camera phone? I want to find four K camera phones now. It's like it's one of those things where you almost feel like black people should just have body cams all the time as opposed the police. You know, I own one. I can't pull the footage off of it though, because it's only Windows compatible and I have a Mac. But like, no, Lie, I it's one of the first. You have a body camp. I legit have a body I used to wear it. I used to wear it walking around New York City on a regular basis, justin case you never know which like that. That's and I think that's part of the issue with with this karendemic, in terms of people calling the police on black people aren't doing anything. So I know that we had a segment where we basically set up a different form of nine, one one that was specifically for white people. What was the ark and the point of that piece. I think it's like the one of the first things were like the first sketches I filmed on for the show when I got there, I think, um, the only thing. I've been there a year. So basically the point of the nine one one sketch is getting a nine one one operator that's going to filter out all of the bullshit calls of white people just trying to call the cops on black people. And one of my favorite lines from it is, um, I think it might have been one of the writer's calling, and I think it might have been Devon Devin Trade, Dela Quanti and uh and he was U. He called it was like, oh, there's these black people on the train and they're being loud, and so my response was, so, let me at this straight. There's black people on the train just talking to each other. And he's like, well yeah, And he's like, okay, that's what I need to do. Here's what I need you to do. Stand up, walk to the window, and throw your bit your ass off that train down the sidewalk. But it feels threatening, girl back. I know, sometimes I want to operators be getting them calls and like by law, they can't hang up, but there's got to be Sometimes you're like, bitch, you ain't got nothing else better to do today. Then they call the cops on you know, abors for something. Oh their their their cars on my property line. You're like, okay, why and then also why are you sitting somebody with a gun to a property line dispute? When you all created this this piece, Josh and dul say, did you all realize at the time that this was going to be because do you say that you all did this is one of the first things you did. I think you've been with the show, I think coming up on three years, maybe crossing that line and before uh it's four and I'm in the show since okay, yeah, so yeah, so we turned the corner on four years. So four years ago when you all did this piece, did you think it would be one of those ones that would be so evergreen that it could keep just floating back up to the top of the news cycle with relevancy. Yeah, I mean yeah, I think so you knew you knew then like yeah, the next four years. Yeah, Because I'm saying honestly, we had to fight for as a video examples as we use because we had we had was that just didn't even make it. That's how many examples joke wise we had. So it was like, oh, this is never gonna go away. You know, Like I think if we have been struggling to come up with examples, that would have been like, I we'll see if this pans out, if it resonates with anybody. But the fact that we probably had another you know, maybe even like minute and a half of jokes is like, Yeah, there's there's plenty of of instances to go around. And plus I think that it speaks to a larger thing of of how sometimes it's it's like the Amy Cooper thing where it's just a a flex like it's just someone trying to exercise power over another person. I've seen some instances that were just as ridiculous, like the guy at there was like a guy at a store that was trying to use a coupon and the person didn't want to take their coupon, but the coupon was from the store. It was like it wasn't like it wasn't like a coupa that could have been counterfeited. It's like if you walk in, it's like your store's logo all this coupon, but they didn't want to take it for some reason. It also wouldn't have made the product free. They just didn't want to take the coupa. As other person was like, no, that's pretty wild. So I'm just gonna stand here in line until you take this coupa because why like why you can't give me a reason. And then they decided to call the cops in like, never mind if you're fourth in line, because now you've been waiting for a while. Nobody's budget. A CBS manager captured on cell phone video in Chicago as he calls n one because of a coupon controversy. African American black. No, I'm not African American, I'm black. Black isn't a bad word. The man calls the police on a black customer attempting to use the coupon seen here. They never tried to process the coupon. They never stand it. You can tell where I don't know, and maybe I'm being a bit naive, but like you can tell, with especially as far as they've taken the situation, I think that that clerk was actually getting fearful, not even of the black person, just of how far they had taken it, because they're now calling the police realizing like, wow, I'm calling the police instead of just taking this coupon because I got in a spat with a customer, like and then they're recording me. Because that's the other kind of backlash now to sort of karendemic. All the stuff is that like now you're seeing where people that are having like a Karen moment are realizing their on camera and with all the examples of how that's gone for other people are now like, oh, like should I double down now, or should I back off? Or what should I do? And I think that that that's another huge aspect that's probably the only aspect that I don't fully think was covered in the in the sketch, because I think now it's getting to the point where if a person ends up on the news the next day, you know, in an interview on like daytime UH news or something about how the police were called on them while they were just living their life, it shouldn't just be the black person. It should be the black person that add the person they call. They should sit next to each other and be like, so why did you yeah, because they recently just had I can't remember where it was, but it was like a black realtor was showing a black man and his son a house and they all ended up in handcuffs. Yeah, because the neighbors thought that they were burglars who meet in the front yard, and then the burglars empty. Fucking was the house empty? I don't know it was a home showing. Either way, it I'm the real actor. How do you not know? It's doubly offensive because it's not only do they think we're criminals, but they think we're bad at crime, like it's the day, it's the middle of the day, but also fun them cops that arrested them, because all he had to say was here's my real Like realtors have business cards and websites and licenses and ship so I had to do. It was like, what are y'all doing here? Here's a real estate portfolio I'm showing. How did they end up in here? It's like it had to be. They just busted in the house, and you just grab people and arrested them and didn't ask any questions. You just get arrested and they're like, oh, okay, all right, I see what we could have done here? I see what could have We're sorry, no, bitch, I'm getting on CNN, I'm getting on MSNBC. I'm gonna be I'm meeting Hooda. It's what the funk I'm better do. I'm meeting Hoolda. I'm gonna get me a free house. And then Minorities Report, because we can kind of put these in the same burrito. Minorities Report was where we basically parried the toime parodied the Tom Cruise movie where the police arrested for crimes you haven't committed yet because they can predict the future, so you're arrested for future crimes. So it was me running around New York City slapping phones out of white people's hands who were getting ready to call the police on black people because I had the precognition to know what was going on. White lady, have you got a location of Riverside? White woman's gonna call the cops? And said to the black ibice trying to sell trucks, he's just trying to read the loose paper. I'll send the team. There's no time I'm going myself. You need a jagger. What's the German nation of that idea? Like, where does that started germination. Yeah, that's Alabama public schools. You're welcome. I should do with farming, so you wouldn't know that term. Kiss my ass, go ahead, josh uh. You know, I think that from pitch to actual production, what ends up happening is that there's an overall idea like what if this thing happened that that usually, at least in the voice of the show is something that's more universal than just the face value experience or like the the hot take on Twitter. It's like, you know, this this calling the police on black people who are doing anything. Also it's terribly for the white people. So how do we how do we save everybody? And that's that's also kind of how that Minorities report came about, because it was like in the in the sketch, you're not just showing them the light of like this person isn't bothering anybody, they're not doing anything, don't call the police. But you're also like you were about to mess up your day, like like you were about to be trending all right, because that's just a doe and unemployed more than yeah, yeah, I do wonder. It's like I think they don't all lose their job. Like that's the thing where we're talking about like Karen Dimmick and all this other stuff. It's like they ain't doing nothing new, you know. Now we just got phones on it. They've been doing this to us since the phone got invented, and then before that, you know, they was calling out all kinds of sheriffs and whoever to come. They they've always been calling the authorities on us, whether you have to get you know, somebody to Paul Revere, the motherfucker to go down the horse and go get the cops. We've always been chased by the police, like period, and there's always been white people sticking the police on us. That was the original point of the police, wasn't it slave catchery? Yeah, that's there was some the original German nation. I do believe germination. But whenever I hear that, I'm always I'm also like, well, wait, they've also it wasn't had law enforcement for a long time, so it's like a half. It's like, you know, it's two things you needed, you know, enforcement of laws and enforcement of slavery. So we put them together and now we have COPSS. So this them calling the cops on us isn't new. They've been doing this since before the phone was invented. Now it's just faster to do it. Because if the police are trained to think that we're inherently dangerous just as a people, and the American public knows that the police are trained to think that we're inherently dangerous, So you, as a white person, know that when I want to assert my authority over a black person, usually when I'm wrong, I can just say I'm going to call the cops because you always have backup because you can always call the police, So it doesn't matter say that the cop is for sure we're going to show up and take her side. Right. So, But like if I called the cops on a black man or another black woman, the police get there and they're just like, well, we you're both fucking criminals, Like who do we? Who do we believe? Not? EVE don't know who to trust in the situation because there's two black people standing in there. You're like, can we just send them both to jail? So that's like I have no I have coin, They're gonna flip a coin. I's like no, but I called you, So there's no inherent I never have any other course of action when I'm in a dangerous situation because I know the police. There's literally examples of the police coming and then shooting the wrong person or resting the wrong person. So there's nothing they're not doing anything new. They've all been trained, like we've all been trained and taught that if a white person caused the police, the police are always going to come, and they know that it's just the way to keep us in line. Do you think that there's and I don't. I don't know quite how to answer this question, Josh, But it's making jokes about this joint attention to them in a bad way. I mean, I don't think so, because I think that for Okay, for the people that know what's happening, it's a way to talk about it that isn't just the level that's a bummer, like it's it's the it's the shared experience where it's like, yes, you're not alone, this happened to be too, or this could happen to any of us, or anything like that. And then I think that for the people who don't fully understand that it's a thing, it raises awareness and attention because they're initially coming to like let's say you've lived a very just insulated life with just like white people around you, and then some something like the Amy Cooper on camera happens, and it's like, Okay, that's like clearly messed up because she she specifically says, I'm gonna call them and tell them a black man is threatening my life. A black man that's like very far away from her, that is not like trying to attack or anything. So she tells this person to his face on camera doesn't care to live, and I and we both know what's going to happen next. And so I think that most people, especially any good faith actor in an argument, can't deny what's happening in that in that video. But I also think that talking about things in in a in a different way from just the straight like news presentational this thing happened, give gains perspective, and I don't think it I don't think it takes away from how serious it is. But I also think that it's it's important to like, when when you joke about anything, it's like their varying degrees of seriousness, and then depending on how dark a joke is might then make people realize how serious the situation is. Okay, So after the break, I want to talk about the levels of this whole, this whole world, and why in the last four or five years, probably because of Trump, did this ship start happening all the damn time. To I do that, right, they'll say I was trying to snap on the the damn time. There we go, beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. Josh, you said something that I I have to politely. I don't know if it's pushedback. I'm going to present a different perspective on you talk about how when people are in the moment if a white person has made the call, and what was once a one on one battle with a black customer turns into oh my god, the camera's at me, Oh my god, this is live stream, Oh my god, the police are here. What do I do? And sometimes they bag down, right, But I have a small bit of respect for the white people who double down and go extra racist in that moment. I don't know if y'all saw that there was There's been a bunch of motail incidents where the black motail clerk is getting verbally abused by white customer for whatever reason, right, and then the black clerk picks up the camera on to protect themselves, and then the white customer just starts giving the camera phone the middle finger. I know I should not laugh, but that ship makes me smile so hard when I see somebody just go, yeah, I'm racist, and let's go, let's go on the journey. Why do you all think they'll say, I'll start with you. Why do you all think in the last five or six years there's been this explosion of the weaponization of the police against black people. Um, I don't know, Like I always think of when it comes to stuff like this, it's always think of there's a line just as an odd reference, but there's a line from a t I song where he says, it's not what you did. The question is who saw? Deep prose from Clifford Harris. I mean, truly, I don't know if it's more than it was before. I just feel like it's I'm seeing it more because like I wonder if you know, are there more incidents of the police shooting unarmed black people or is it just being recorded more? Because I feel like, because it's like if we're talking about the number of incidents going up maybe because of Trump with white people acting the full I feel like that the number of incidents of one armed black people getting shot went up when Obama became president. It's how I really feel about it. So I was just mad that this black man was out here. So you're like, well, I can't shoot that one, but I can shoot this one. Josh, do you feel like Trump or COVID added something into the air like that Trump was Trump the first layer and that COVID kind of a bit of a double down because of economic anxiety, and then you had all the proud boy and you had to Confederate um, all the Confederate statues being taken down. So it's creating all this old nold the Blacks are coming type anxiety. Where do you think all of those facts the blacks are coming, The blacks are coming? I like that, Chuck Revie. Where does COVID and Trump and economic anxiety playing into all of this trash? I mean, I don't know if COVID does, Especially if anything COVID helped in that when bad things happened, people didn't have anything to do to occupy themselves to ignore it. So I think that you can only if you're gonna bring the pandemic into it in any way you have to give like give, I guess, give context to the fact that the whole reason there was like a whole nationwide global George Floyd protests because that thing happened, and it's not like we had anything else to occupy ourselves with to ignore it, whether you're black, white, anything. So everybody saw it, everybody talked about it, and then protests started happening because one of the things, like, you know, no matter how bad a situation is, you look at the protests and path years and what made the news and past years, and it just it's it's not as if George Floyd was this new, incredibly horrible thing that we all saw. It's like, yeah, we we we saw it, and it was it was as bad as many other things that have been happening up until that point. And I think that if anything, that you know, a lot of the stats show that not not in a way that means we should take the foot off of the gas of trying to address things like qualified immunity and everything. But I think that a lot of the altercations and a lot of the stuff is down from where it used to be. I think that once again, we weren't seeing it, but also there were way more attitude you could just get away with plainly out in the world than you than you could before. And so, you know, I think people want to put it all on Trump, or they want to put it all on a moment, And it's like, really, the way that I've at least seen the the ticker if you want to look at it like a stock ticker of racism, right, is that it's still way too high, but it's gone down slightly over time by like you know whatever, one, one hundred of whatever number I'm making up. But at the same time, when Trump got in off as it, it saw this spike, and and the spike made people think all of this stuff, all these attitudes, all of these things were coming out of nowhere for the first time ever, when really they were just a regression back to you know, maybe fifteen years ago, like not even that long ago. And so I think that sure, you can you can blame Trump is um for a good amount of it because they're they're easily uh you know, they trade marked shirts that were like fuck your feelings. It's like it's like they came to troll, they came to be um shitty, and they and they came to try to reclaim some of that that thing that that people like to act like doesn't exist. And what I mean by that is the same way that Amy Cooper played her hand because she knew the score. So when she said that thing to him to camera, she admitted a thing that a lot of people try not to admit, which is like, what are you talking about? The police are on everybody's side if you call the whatever, that thing that all that diminished when she said the line that she said the way she said it. Please don't come close to me. Please please call the cops. Please call the cops. I'm gonna tell them there's an African American man threatening my life. Please tell them whatever you like. And I think that with Trump is um there's an unspoken thing of trying to get back to a time where you want to act like it's not tribalism. You want to act like we're not playing teams. But there there was a there was a time where the white team, if you want to put it that way, it was doing very well, unabashedly, unapologetically, and everything was going the way of the same people who act like they're so threatened now, well, of course that they feel like they're threatened this because it's these are the same people that think that equality means that they're gonna lose opportunities, like just to like kind of grounded for a second, Like the same people who it's about to be a hard time for mediocre white people in a lot of fields of study and a lot of career paths. That right, because of that, But it's also it's you're no longer there was an active choice being made to exclude black people and other people of color, but now you stop doing that, So now we're just looking at merit. And there's also but also there's also an effort being made because of inherent biases that people have to bring in more people of color. Also, it's the wild thing about all of this is that when Trump got elected, all of these white people got so confused because they were like, well, how could this happen? How could this happen? But I had somebody to tell me on a podcast that she thought that the United States wasn't racist anymore because she saw a black TV show in the seventies. That's when she thought racism. And it was the seventies, right, as if Rodney King did happened in the nineties and all these other things. And then there's a bunch of white people that thought that when Obama got elected, we kept saying we're in a post racial society, and all the black people go up going that's not true. It's still racist here. It's because you elected a black president's not being racist. So when he gets out of office, now all these white people are mad. So when they're running. When they were running and when Obama was gonna win his second term, the Republicans kept saying, we gotta take our country back, We gotta take our country back. Who the funk took it? No one stole your country. They didn't hop up and steal it. Black people didn't colonize somewhere you were already at. So this whole attitude, the reading that all of this is happening now, don't because I can't it's Is it higher than it was before? I don't know. But do these people seem to be bolder than they were before? Because at least the clan would hide their head and hide they face. Now these boys ain't even hide they face no more. You see what I'm saying that, Yeah, clan is trash. But they're so now, they're so bold, y'all to march through the whole town with nothing, with nothing covering in your head because you want people to know because you're bold as hell. So how do you go up against people who will march through a city and go, yep, we are racist? Destroy the tiki torch industry. Now nobody can have a well lit barbecue with a night you know, with the tiki torches behind the behind the pay glass like condoms at CVS. Get a sales associate with the keys right at the lows just because I want to have a n just because I don't want to mosquito is why I have my nighttime barbecue. So these people and what I say these people, I mean those people, um they this is a fallback. But the thing that we've been saying as black people in this country is that this ship is not surprising to us. And that's the most frustrating part everything that is happening right now. Every black person has as some white woman come with them and a fucking store for no reason, accuse you of doing something you didn't do, get followed in the store. This is not new to us. All of this stuff that is happening, all of these people being openly racist and acting wild. It is not new information to us. This is all new information to white people. And that's the thing that makes it the most annoying and the most insulting because now they want to act surprise. This is y'alls people doing this ship. So then to that point, then, d and I'll ask this last question before we take a break. What's the better play are we? Because are we doing the right thing by like shaming people and turning them into a meme and calling them Karen's and all that, Because when you look at Amy Cooper, right, she she went through the whole public shaming and was fired from her job, and then she was arrested and charged with filing a false whatever the funk. Okay, the charges were then dropped because she went through five psycho education, I don't know, some anti racism class whatever it is. She she went and took some therapy and they dropped the charges. The black dude that she accused wouldn't take part in like actively prosecuting her, so in a way, he kind of led her off the hook. Since then, Amy Cooper has come out and said I didn't do a motherfucking thing wrong. He was holding dog Treuth. I thought he was going to attack my dog. And Amy Cooper then sued her employer, saying, yeah, that was wrong for termination and that's racial discrimination. So does this mean nothing's going to change because she's probably the best example of someone who did the wrong, was public shame, was criminally charged, and it's now on the other side of all of that ship going yeah and I do it again and I want my job back. Yeah, because the people that we are looking to to fix this are the same people that are doing wrong. She got fired from her job because people were saying stuff about her job. The police had to do something. But you know there's you can get charges reduced if you go to you know, I know it's okay. You can either serve this jail time, you can pay this fine, or you can serve this shail time, or you can go to recap. They always get certain people. You take take a traffic class, we want knock points off your license. You take a d u R class, you won't lose your license. They always give some people options, right, and other people are just sent straight to jail. You know, you don't collect two hundred dollars, So we can't look to the people who are maintaining the system of her being able to call the cops on that man who then reprimand her. How does that even work? Yeah, but I also think that there's there's you know, to a certain degree, it is not my place and it's not uh, you know, to to drag him at all. But I think that we're we're conditioned and taught to really respond to any any and every plight that white people have and every white tier that gets dropped, And so I think that it's it's a thing of it is kind of just on um on the guy that she was calling the cops. All it's like, you should have pressed dude, Well, first of all, what are you ever gonna get a chance like this, because this could happen to you nine times, I tid and those other nine times I tend you're not even gonna get to press charges. You're just gonna be glad you left with your life. So then you know, it's kind of on him for not pressing charges and just sort of giving this weird benefit of the doubt to a person he didn't know whose only instance he had an interaction with was something that's terrible. Then it was on the goofy uh, you know, like racial discrimination counselor because when she finished all of that, that five classes of training or whatever she took, the person went on record saying like it's been a real transformation, and I don't care if they're black, they're white, whatever. I you know, maybe I'm overstepping, but they seem like a like a silly person to think that, you you, that's a lot of hubris to be operating under two. Then think that whatever you had to say about raise for five hours, change someone, whether you're black, white, I don't care what you are. Whatever you had to say was that groundbreaking. It was better than Malcolm X played by Didso Washington, directed by Spike Lee. Like you think that you changed a person? And and to Dual say his point, it's like people know how to play the playbook. If she knew the playbook well enough to know what to say to Okay, this is the game. We're playing the game, and this is about too. This is about to be what happens next. And you know it will be on you if you get killed, right because you you were bothering me. I didn't want you to bother me. And if she knows the game that well before she did the thing, she knows the game well enough to know how to maneuver out of it. So so I I think that we're you know, I'm I'm not rooting against any person, any type of people, or any like. I I don't really, it's but I just personally am like, I don't know, I've I don't. Those aren't where my motivations are. But I do believe in uh retribution. I do believe in justice, and as imperfect as it is, I think that when you have the opportunity to get it or to take it, that you should because I think that, you know, even though it's not, it's really he only needs to worry about him and everything. I believe his name is Christian Cooper. But I think the mistake he made is not seeing how It's like this situation has national attention, so whatever you do next is going to play into a narrative. It's like like the court of public opinion works the same way as the courts of law, where once you set a precedent, that precedent is then what gets addressed and what and what gets taken back to when the thing happens again. So then the next time there's an Amy Cooper, that same person will be like, all right, I'll probably get a slap on the wrist or have to do something where I have to listen to someone anyway exactly. So so then it's like, I think that sometimes as a people, when something happens, you have a responsibility to your other people. And I think that in his sort of uh, you know, I'm not I'm not gonna necessarily accused him of playing respectability politics, but like in his in whatever motivations he had for not pressing charges, for not wanting her to be held more accountable, I think that he played into a larger narrative. I think, just for two seconds, it's I'm worried that people love this in death threats to people, and I'm worried that one of the motivating fact. I don't know why he dropped the case, but I'm sure he was receiving death threats, like truly, so I can there had to be other things happening, I think for him to or sometimes you just get to a point where you're just like I'm done, I'm sucking, I'm done. They did whatever they're gonna do this, bitch. I do agree that he should have pressed charges, but I feel like there had to be other things happening for him to not to. But he's birds. All he want is peace, like any lead a house to go watch birds in New York City. He don't want to be bothered with the nonsense, and they just want to look at something he wanted to see, if you know it would to see these wings flap. Do you think white men are getting off? Why are there no kids? It's always Karen's it's always you don't see a lot of kids. You see a couple of kids here and there, but they don't get a name. They don't get the same brand, and like say a Chad or a Becky, like a barbecue baker. It's it's always Karen. What about the white men? Don't they deserve some love? What are we gonna call him? Well? I feel like that when white men go off, they're shooting up some ship so and they they're called lone wolfs. White. Yeah, white man going off is way less funny, like like that's the term going postal comes from. Is if a white man somebody gonna die tonight, Like when white men pop off because it's like white men aren't gonna be in the situations that will create a Karen because at the end of the day, when you see these women going off, it's what they feel like someone's not respecting their authority. That's all it's importantrum the top of the totem Paul is a white man. So for a white man to be in a situation where he's not getting what he wants, if he keeps going up the chain of command of a business, he's gonna hit a white man. So he feels satisfied throughout the day, so he doesn't feel the need to exert any type of authority over someone lesser than not really, it's often also when white men call the police on you. It's very rare that I've heard a white man yell I'm gonna call the police on you. They just call the fucking police. You're just standing, You're like, who the funk are? The tops are also less funny unless their voice is cracking, like like it like most videos that you see of like white bell altercations are not hilarious unless they're drunken fighting, unless like like the thing that makes the care and such a fascinating thing is because it is like, all right, you're not taking me seriously, but it's like, why would I tell you seriously? You're being ridiculous. Well, I'm not being ridiculous, and you're this, this and this and this and so then the freak out is mostly to not just the temper tantrum for me, it's also yeah, all right, it's basically to me, it's like, why don't you treat me like a white man? Right now? This is so unfair. This is the real oppression. I'm right next to I'm like, I'm right next to a white man. Why can't you treat me like a white man? This is terrible. This is the real discrimination right here. I have one incident of a kin acting like a Karen that gives me hope that this issue will change. I'll tell you all about it after the break. I'm not sure if y'all heard about this one. There's two things interesting and I want to bring up with regards to kind of the ripple effect of stories like the nine one one for white people, which address the issues of white people calling it nine one one so flippidly. We have the segment in the field department we were working on that we were originally going to try to do, but just the pandemic nous of it all. Um, it didn't it didn't quite come together. But we wanted to talk to real women named Karen who deal with being discriminated against because of all of the quote unquote Karen's that are out there. Um, do we have is there any sympathy for literal Karen's out there or do we just kind of just ay, look, you just gotta roll with this for right now. It's just your time. Kind of like how anybody named Chester, you know, they go Chester Chester molester or whatever the hell it is. You remember that in the South, So you do real life Karen's just gotta ride the wave like Chesters did back in the day. They need to talk to the Becky's because Becky's has always been a time. Becky's been a turn around. It's like what the eighties for these whaet women. So they need to look to the Becky's, see what the Beckies did, and need to sit out somewhere. Becky's were more of U. Karen carry is a much more negative connotation than it Becky. To me, a Becky as I had always started, it was kind of ditzy blonde or it was a very very freaky white woman and likes black men like those were the Crystal Okay, I know, well an Alabama Becky has to me, beck it was just the way, Well Becky was the white brother Crystal. Is you know this white girl. She she's got the I date black dudes haircut. She always keep too many rings on. She got a bunch of mixed babies and drives it in pollen smokes Newport. That's the female version of a Tyler. What I thought that was a cake with the box with the swoosh over. That's the I want to see a manager haircut. That's different than the I Date black dudes hair So that's a Susan. No, there's a very because the thing is that I date black dudes haircut is like a white imitation of a black hairstyle. Yeah, it's like it's like a TLC. It's any inherent, stright solid tea Bows would have had. Uh, this is these are your crystals. So what are all the names? Right? Well, there's a Tyler. We all know Tyler's Uh, you know, the cool white boy had always had a faith and was probably on the basketball team white teas were very much his bag. He's the only white boy and the crew um. But you allow it because you know he's tall and to play basketball. So yeah, he's just the white boy that's always in a random you know, just cool black dudes to plays basketball with them. Uh and again driving in Paula. Sometimes smoked to ports, but would never date a crystal because they would never date each other exactly. But he addresses black women as queen. Yep, he's still gonna waste your time. He just called you queen to start with. So I think that there is hope in terms of how we carry ourselves as a society, and I think that pieces like this do affect change. There was a story out of I believe this was San Francisco, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, San Francisco. So black guy waiting in front of a building, one of the buildings where you gotta be buzzed in and call upstairs for the motherfucker to come down to get you. Yeah, black guy in front of the building waiting for his friend to come down to get him. White man and his son come out the building. White man turns to black guy and goes, why are you standing in front of my building. Black guy goes, I don't have to answer to you. White guy calls the police. White guy goes through the usual. I'm looking at him. He appears to be African American. Here's our address. The man's son, who doesn't appear to be more than seven or eight years old, starts crying and is begging to the father to let this ship slide. He ain't bother nobody, He's just standing in front of the building. There's a trespasser and building. Listen to your son the side. That kid begged and begged his father, and his father refused to get off the phone with the cops, and then the friend from upstairs appeared, and the black guy entered the building, and the father had that look that Josh was talking about on his face in the video, where oh no, what have I done? No? That kid gives me hope. Well, but in that moment, as a parent, your elementary school aged child is one recognizing this situation and it has and this marcanganizing the situation more than you are as a grown ass man. Right, your child also has the wherewithal and the knowledge of the situation to ask you to not do what you were doing. Now, in this moment, when you're continuing to do what you were doing, what are you teaching your child? Are you teaching your child that my authority comes before anything? Are you teaching him how to be a white man? Like? What are you what is in the in that moment when your child is telling you to stop? What are you trying to teach in that mond? Because you didn't stop? Well, whatever the lesson is, the kid didn't get it, thankfully. This gotta be one of them dudes. It's just got joint custody. This can't be no regular day. This ain't regular daddy behavior. Any daddy that don't listen to his kid, that's a joint custody. Shut up, little motherfucker. You don't know anyway. Police, Yes, listen, you know what. The Lord has not blessed me with a child yet, so and I don't plan to be in any joint custody situation. We made these niggas. We're gonna raise them together because it's joint custody. Because he knows he got to deal with that kid all on his face the rest of the night. Daddy called the police on the black man. He's gonna go drop him off at his side checkhouse and get on back to work. That's a very specific take, but yeah, I mean I see it. The way you described it sounds reasonable. But my point is it gives me hope. This is here's another statistic that gives me hope. And in the United States, they were only just over three hundred baby girls named Karen out of all of the names of all of the babies. I don't know the percentage on that, but that's got to be less than one of all. So what was the percentage the year before? Then? For one second, can you just no, I just want to see the person I'm trying to be positive. I'm being positive. I want to see the percentage of analytical for one second. I wanted I like facts and figures. I do know that there are non white Karens. I'm gonna said, what, there are non white Karen's who they also feel like that they have been you know, discriminated against. But I'm just like, but you're the one they will call because like, if there's a white woman Karen and they're calling the police on a black Karen and this is black hair, and go a bitch, I'm a Karen. You can't call the cops on me. I'm can. Here's your number. Since you want the statistic, here's your here's your fucking statistic. The overall number of new babies named Karen in twenty nineteen was four hundred and thirty nine. It dropped to three hundred and twenty five, decline of nearly twenty six percent. See. I don't know why you had to put it that way, but now see and now people got something they could attach it to, you know, so all of these half is acting a fool then made people stop naming it their daughters Karen or sons out on their business. Uh, and we duced. Here's the thing that's really telling about that statistic. Just about for comparison sake, in nineteen sixty five, when Karen was peak popularity, thirty three thousand people were given that name. And when you look at the age of the people that are misbehaving and compare it to ninety, kind of lines up because they'd be in their fifties. Yes, yeah, it does also feel like it just is aging out completely independent of the karendemic. I feel how many gladdyses do you know? A glass ain't no new Clementines. Ain't nobody getting named Yeah, it might just be one of those days that phase it out. I don't know if we can chop that up to a racial justice. I think that that just might be people with new tasks because so so google how many women were named Ashley in nineteen sixty five because or Jennifer, because we have so many Jennifers. At my high school, we were all referred to him my last name. So maybe Josh is right. Maybe it's just a tip of the scales, and it's on twenty years, we won't have Karen's, We're gonna have Ashley's and Jennifer's. Well, the most popular baby name in was Olivia. So does this mean in about fifty years there's going to be a wave of racist Olivia's. I mean maybe, But this is my thing. I think that just like the kid that gives you hope, a lot of the people coming up now not just because they have only ever lived with the Internet, but because they actually can can see, like through other people's mistakes rapidly all the Internet. I think that like a good portion of the way that we see things happening now is either going to shift or chill because it never goes away. It's not it's not about going away. But I think racist people are going to find a new thing. And I think that the people who might have leaned on that side of the fence might, you know, be like, it's not worth that. It's not It's not worth me potentially losing my job for harassing a resident of this building that is my neighbor. But I don't talk to my neighbor, so I have no idea. It's like I think that that thing is also gonna wane a bit, because even if you know it's a small price to pay overall that, like your name is the name that people are clowning for the past like two years. It's like, all right that you really shouldn't have said anything. It's to me the people that like complain about Karen being like the Chester thing, like that really could plain about that. It's just like you sound weak, like like like, tell me about a real problem. I believe you have real problems every single care whatever that that is. Like, oh when you say any of that, I believe you have real a problems because you're human on planet Earth. But not this one. Don't this this makes you look like if you're serial and its stock is over for you like it. It's just it's such a non thing, or or they are living up to the moniker that was given to them, because what is being a Karen? You know, weaponizing victimhood, weaponizing white privilege. So if you're some complaining about oh they're calling people carings and now it's coming back on me, it's victimhood. It's all it is. Well, I didn't do I don't know, everybody is so mad at me. I didn't even do anything. Yeah, and neither did any other black person born as a fucking black person. But I'm always gonna have problems because y'all have decided that I'm lesser than that. I'm a fucking problem that you feel the need to ask me what the funk I'm doing. If I'm standing there from a building, what are you doing? What are you doing? Deal with it. No one's trying to send you, no one's trying to mass and car serrate you, no one's trying to not give you a fucking homeland. There's too many things that black people have gone through for me to have any sympathy for some bitch sitting up whine about the fact that people are they're making me into a meme. The police are killing us because you call them fucking mean. Get off the internet. Like all of this is just like I am not as a black woman. I'm not allowed to play victim ever. Ever, I have to be strong to my detriment as a human being. So to come up to me and complain or to be on the internet and complain that people have been mean to you because of your name. If I marry a black man, he could die today. I could die if I have black children, my brother, Every black man around me, every black person around me is a constant fucking danger any time the cops roll by. And then I still have to deal with every white person that walks in nature. I don't know what side they're on. Also, white people aren't the only ones calling the police on us. There are also other non black people, non black people of color, also calling the fucking cops on us. So it's a free for all. Everybody knows that if you want to control a black person, you could threaten them by calling the fucking police. And you want to complain to me that people are being meaning you bits faun downstairs, stop it, you say a wild and the whole careing thing. It's yes, it's a whiny white woman. Who the hell wants that? It's hysterics and it's all you know, that's something. It's like, oh, well, you know, she's being hysterical, she's being you know the thing about the time the term hysterical comes from a feminine root, because there's also the term hyster direct that you see what I'm saying, like the root of this is female. You're saying that this is something that's inherently in women, is as acting a fucking fool and if anyone has been prone to be like, white women are the most protect did because they're seen as the weakest, and they're seen as the weakest because they're the most protected. No one's saying the phrase strong white woman. That doesn't happen. No one's looking to a white woman for advice. No one's stopping a white woman in a bathroom to tell them all their problems. It's not happening. You looked at me for that goofy ship. You look to the white woman for a YEP review. I looked at Rachel Ray for for recipes. Sometimes so do you. Because that food looks dry, I mean it is. It would be amazing to have more white weapon and set as magical negroes. That would be that would be next level to just have a white woman janitor, you try to play football, you're not good enough, so you think you're gonna quit, and then a white woman just like, oh, so you're gonna quit? Like do I know you? I quit once and look where I am. Now, what's the title of the movie, Josh, what's her name? It was Rudy, So I guess you'd have to go reboo. I don't know. Well, isn't that just dangerous minds? And that just dangerous minds? We gotta come in and save these black kids. So now we're just calling these bitches fifers. They're not magic the magical negro if you were playing with a white woman. Now they're just fight ferst is what they are. In the blind Side, Yep, that was that was Sandrew Bullock. Okay, fight fers fer yep. Writers, you know, just cave through that. This is my thing, This is this freedom for the world. And what I want to have happened is now I'm starting to see and some of this I've seen in person, but some of it you know is it hasn't gone as viral because like, um, de escalation is not as fun to watch as escalation. But now we're starting to see some Karen's really step it up up to cancel out other Karents. So it's the situation can even really pop off. And and there's no look like the look on a cares face while another carrot is like shut oh, like like when she comes out of nowhere. You're seeing that with a lot of the mask fights and stores now where anti masker gets confronted by someone in a mask. So, yeah, there's a lot of hope out there. Man, I wish we had more time to dig into all of this, Josh, I like your movie Pitch. Let's talk about it offline. I think we can get Universal to give us thirty million to make Fighter the Magical Fighters. Yeah, something like that, the Journey of the Magical Fight. I think it could work. I think there's not enough, Um, there's not enough representation of strong right women. I feel like that if they felt like they had more power, they wouldn't be trying to call cops on people. Um, you know, maybe they need to you know, talk to the ancests. Uh, you know, look to the ancestors get the strength that they're really looking for their lives, just really you know, um, I mean, now you're sort of picturing on white mulade sort of situation. We're done, We're done, Josh Johnson. They'll say salong. Thank you all so much for going beyond the scenes with me. And if you want to watch this piece and more of the other pieces that we talked about on this wonderful podcast, go to Daily show dot com slash beyond Hey beyond the Scenes listeners. If you haven't rated and reviewed us yet on Apple Podcast, I need you to stop right now and do that. Drop us a rating, let us know how you feel, and write a review. Write a review too. I'll read those to my child at the end of the night because I'm I'm not of books. I gotta go buy new books.