Hey, what's up, everybody. I'm Roy Wood Jr. And this is Beyond the Scenes, the show where we go deeper into the topics that you see on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. You know how they have the Talking Dead for the Walking Dead and you know, uh, Talking Bad for breaking Bad. Well, this is the Talking Show for the Daily Show. You know what. Never mind, we'll come up with a better name for it later. Basically, what we're gonna be talking about today is our segment dul Saying featuring TDS correspondent dul Say Sloan. Basically, these are explainer videos that go a little bit deeper into topics that you know, people need to know a little bit more about, like the history of the strong black woman or the Nineteenth Amendment. This week, we are talking about how female mc shaped hip hop. Hip hop. It's how we know what bottles the pop and what luxury items we can't afford. And we've been living in a golden era of female rappers with legends like Missy Elliott, Lil Kim, and Lauren Hill, not to mention Megan the Stallion and Cardi B. Dancing with a certain African who misplaced my ticket to the Grammys. But did you know that female rappers have been viewed in every era, every era, every every era that didn't work. It's true. Raps history is full of women who have largely been forgotten, like Sylvia Robinson, the woman who helped create hip hop. Sylvia was a singer, record producer, label executive, and the first person to rock the Farrell hat. She took rap from little known basement parties in the Bronx to worldwide commercial success in nineteen seventy nine by conceiving and producing raps first hit record, Rappers Delight. Not only was it the first rap single to conquer the charts, it also sold over a million copies. That's right, it went platinum, and back then we didn't even know what that was. They had to whip out a periodic table to help us walk us through this segment of door saying, please welcome, dull say sloan, how you doing my love? Hello? What for those that don't know I called uncle uh what junior Uncle Roy even though he might be I don't know when I ascend it to uncle status in the world of comedy in New York. But you're not the only one. We'll discuss that off air. Also helping us walk through this segment today is Deep Dive producer Chelsea Williams and Chelsea please also don't call me uncle. Welcome aboard, Hi roy. I thought she was gonna still say uncle me too. She respected a request. Now, before we get into how Chelsea does the research on these stories over in Deep Dive, Du'll say, breakdown the actual segment, Dul saying for me, like what first, what is the purpose of the segment and just kind of where the origins of it, the origins of it. So the want to produce the episode jin planned. She approached me, She's like, well, we have an interesting idea of kind of like an explainer piece, like basically wanting to get deeper information on the subject. And they were like playing around with a name, and she was like, what do you think adults saying. I was like, that's hilarious. Um. And so like you know, like you were saying of them like the nineteenth amendmant and you know, the trope of the strong black woman. Um. I believe we did want on the hair care products to write like black hair care products. Yeah, so they are I see them as topics that only I can really explain as a way to give our audience like deeper insights. So with this piece, it was to show the influence that women have had in hip hop and female mcs and the influence that they've had in music. The thing that I enjoy about Dull saying is that it's just you delivering facts and jokes because like traditionally in the field department, for the people who don't know, the creative process over the field wing is you have to you pitch the topic and then the next question is, okay, well who are we going to talk to about this topic? Who can we get what expert? And then it's booking and the next thing you know, two months have passed because you've got the perfect person, but they scheduled on and it's too much and you all can just go, I We're just going to talk about this now, Chelsea, because there is no person attached to this. That means that all of the facts have to come from Dulce, which means we get to have the facts right, which means you're the one deep diving on this. Where did what did you do? Just I guess we can talk broader about dulcine, but specifically about female mcs and hip hop. Where did you start that journey in assembling the pieces and looking at the history of it so that then the writers can come into that document and go, there's a joke. There's a joke. Then dul Say comes and it goes that's a good point. That's the point I want to make. I want to make that point. Yeah, I feel like a lot of it. Well, this one specifically began through what happened with Megan the Stallion and Tory Lanes last year. Um, yes, the shooting last July. Preparatory Lanes has been charged in connection with the shooting and fellow hip hop star Megan the Stallion. Lanes as accused of shooting Megan the Stallion's feet back in July after she exited his suv during the flight in the Hollywood Hills in both feet, yes, both feet, after they went to the party together. So we have been trying to figure out how are we going to put this into some sort of piece, like we need to do something because she is also not the first like female rapper that's something like that has happened to in this industry. Um, So it just felt like, I don't know it just felt like there was like not a trend, but like there. Yeah, it's like the sexism in the industry and how it affects like black women that specifically occupy the rap space, which is so misogynistic I think anybody would admit. Um. So we wanted to tackle that in some way shape reform, and it kind of ended up getting to the space of, well, let's talk about how women have influenced hip hop in general, because it's very much thought of as only men have done everything, and that it's it is still very male dominated, but as we showed and as duels they said, like black women literally founded and helped put together the first rap record, so it's like we've been there since the beginning, and you know, we deserve our flowers, and all the female rappers especially deserve their flowers because they never get them enough. Now I saw the peace, and I was disappointed to see that Charlie Baltimore had been um passed over. Now, there's only so much time that's not disrespect amount of Charlie Baltimore, one of my favorite rappers from the nineties. Thank you very much. UM. But Chelsea, Chelsea, say, what were some what were some pieces of the historical timeline, like what did you have to cut? Who were the rappers that you didn't get a chance to get in that because you know, I'm a Southern guy, so I'm already biased to like the Mida X and the Gangster Booze of the world. Yes, we were so much. We wanted to include Salt Pepper and Spinderella. I mean like they were some of the first ones, Like we had so made you have to be right right it was it was like it was literally like Sophie's choice. Um. It was like who were we going to mention because we know we're gonna offend somebody, and we actually weren't even able to. Ideally, we had wanted to end like on where we are now and like Highlight, you know, the Megan, the Stallions, the Cardi B's Nicki Minaj who kind of ushered in this entire new era um, and we weren't really able to so we didn't. We weren't able to get them in. We weren't able to get Trina the Baddest Bitch um. You know. There were just a few that unfortunately we could and you know put in, but they mean so much to hip hop and like that's not at all, So you had to focus on the foundation of the genre, of the gender in this genre. They'll say, were you okay with that? Once you all came to that decision, like, hey, we ain't got enough time to talk about present day hip hop. We're talking from you know, back in the day. We're talking from Cross Color Carl Cana right up to TLC. And then that that's going to be to cut off right. Well, I think it's like I think us not being able to include more present day artists, uh was a bit of a disservice, but one you gotta cut stuff for times sometimes. But also I think when it comes to the music industry and it comes to hip hop, everything is very much what's happening now, who's hot now, what's going on now? Whose album just dropped? Who say will just drop? So I think we're very much aware of who is popping currently. So I think it being a bit of a history lesson was beneficial to people because there's a whole generation of folks that don't know what Queenlandtiva with the rapper's only really I don't know ice Cube with a rapture. They argue me down about Will Smith the youngest. He never he won the first rap G What are you talking to? Do they even know about the fashion influence the young So I do sound like an uncle. You're right, I'm kids don't know nothing about this. I'm worried about that. I'm gonna hit auntie status before I become a mother and I don't. I can't handle that situation. Queen Lativa burst onto the rap scene with the pro woman message. Her song Ladies First showed off not only her lyrical prowess, but also uplifted women and name check other female mc She was shouting out more women than Mambo Number five than in her song called You Want, I t Y called out men in hip hop for referring to women as bitches and hope, bitches and holes. That's my bad. I got called up. I can see why I shouldn't have said that. I'm just That's where I think dul saying is such a rewarding segment because in a lot of ways, when you're doing segments that are about black issues, Chelsea, how are you all making sure that you're honoring, like because a black person or white person will watch this segment different if we're just gonna be blunt m hm. A black person is looking to see confirmation of things that they already knew, and it's great to see it being presented to another audience, whereas non black viewers, it's kind of a well, damn, I didn't know that it's information, Like that's it's interesting you said it that way, because like that's how I view like just my stand up just as a stand up comic. Like when I'm trying out a new bit, I'm looking for information does this work? Once the bid is established and I know it works, then it's confirmation. I already know this is funny. I'm just waiting for you to catch up. So when it comes to these segments, it's I know one group of people, Like when we are looking through scripts and we're fact checking, it's I gotta make sure that black people won't go, hey man, that's not no. You should have you should you should have said something that's not right. Um, Because like when we first got like the first job to the script and we were talking about Queen Latifa and they were referencing her being a character on like her playing a character on Living Single, her name was wrong in the script, and I just was like, her name is Kadija, not whatever they put in, and I'm like, oh, we gotta fact check that. I'm like, what the hell are you fact checking? I just hold the black person just told you. I not only did I see all the Living Single the first time, also watched it again and lockdown her name is. To be fair to some of our writers in the building, does say Living Single was up against Seinfeld in the same time slot on Thursdays and mad about you don't ask me how I know. Listen, honestly, I think mad you might be one of the reasons I have to think for these you know, God's shows and people. Honestly, I've been trying to figure it out and I was like, that's that's that's a separate podcast. That's not it. That's a separate lifestyle. Um. But I do like the fact that we're making That's where when I look at pieces like this, like when we're talking about you know, the black hair products and things like that, there are certain like when we do these pieces, I'm always like, Okay, we have to make sure we have a black writer on this because sometimes of the black person. If I don't like being questioned because I told you what the ship is? What are you asking me? Well, we gotta s We're gonna do Google is Google your reference? Because I just told you. So that's when you're saying, like black people are looking for confirmation. Anyone who is not aware is looking for information. So you want to make sure. And that's the thing with all of these pieces, you have to make sure that you're doing both things. You don't want to misinform, but you also, I don't want to say the wrong stuff because black people like y'all could have just they'll call you out before we go to a break real quick, I have to ask you a question since I know you were in on the writing part of this. There was a particular correspondent that was written into this um piece whose job it was to just come on and look like stupid man who interrupts woman and rapping in a group is great for a female MC because when the man repeats what you just said but slightly louder, he's not being sexist. He's being a good hype man, being a good hype man. See, women weren't just part of rap birth. They also invented the rap beat. Rap beat. Okay, that's enough. Whose decision was it to put this brother on the chopping block, Um, in front of all the black women's on the internet. How does that happen, Like when you start having all these extra cameos and stuff. Yeah, I feel like sometimes it's um, it'll come out of the Deep Dive team, like we'll be like, oh, you know, it would be a funny addition here is like the idea of like a hype man, and especially like ironic because we're talking about you know, women mcs UM and I don't know, just like the cultural meaning of a hype man in hip hop is just so important. It was just funny, Like it was like you can't you know, nobody else would have made sense, honestly, Roy, Like it's like it was supposed to be all right. Well, after the break, we're gonna get into a little bit about our own personal relationships with hip hop. Since I am the eldest uncle, I'm sure I remember some people that maybe you two don't, and we'll we'll compare notes on which female MC's influenced us the most. This is beyond the scenes, would be right, Let's talk for a second about your personal relationship with female limcs in hip hop. Like as women, as Black women's, as women's the representation how I'm joking, but but seriously, how empowering was it to see that, you know on television or did you all always see that and feel like it was not enough? Chelsea, I'll start with you. I mean, I feel like the most impactful one for me actually was probably Nicki Minaj because of when she came out, which was like the latter half of my high school years, and I wanted to say that was like the first rap album I bought for myself, um with Pink Friday. I don't know if I really got like the magnitude of the moment when I, you know, bought it, but like I knew that, like, Okay, this is this is gonna be great. I love this girl. It was also because she was featured on Mariah song so and I'm a huge Maria Carrey fan. But other than that, I would say yeah, and then side note for that, Mariah always featured a lot of female mcs on her remixes in the nineties and I loved those, so yes she did. Mariah had a nice little relationship with hip hop in the nineties, and then she would go, you know, a song with Bone Dugs and Harmony, like she got album of Tony Mottolind was like, I'm with all the black people now, basket, let me tell him to shimmy all over this track. Platinum. Don't say you're a little different in my opinion than Chelsea and that you came up in a city two cities actually, Miami and Atlanta that acoustically are so unique that it is possible to be a fan of someone who is Gangbusters regionally, but nationally people don't necessarily connect or resident the gangster booze or I guess it for your era, uh crime mob, right, because like, hey, yea, we're looking, we're bucking. People only think when you talk about who was in cry Mob, what did you talk about Princess and Diamond? I don't know what them dudes names are. No clue, no fucking clue. It's true, it's true. So who was there more of the mainstreams that you that you kind of fell in love with coming up? I remember as a kid, uh, seeing Queen Latifa perform Ladies first on TV. I don't know if it was like a living color or it was like on a late night show, but I remember seeing Queen Latifa perform on Tiva, I was like literal free stuffing my check the cloud mob, but it only seemed like they were mainly like female rappers from like the North, because like you like, you know, Queen Latifa, empty light, um in salt and pepper. And then like when the Brat came out, it was like the Brass not from the South either, but she was with the main Japri so by default Chicago. Yeah, that's when I thought from Chicago. So I think the only the first time I really heard a female rapper that was from a sound that I was accustomed to was when De Brat came out and it would be on songs with Jermaine dupri The thing that I thought was very interesting, um it seemed like there was you all correct me or from wrong. But it seems like when female mcs first came in the game, there had to be kind of a rough gruff, you know, em like stuff your afro puffs. Lady Rage. Yeah, because I remember my daughters that was another regional one out West. My mom did my hair like her one time, like Lady of Rage. But like I had a relaxer, so I couldn't have afro puffs, So my mother bought burgundy. Leave. This is like like the mid nineties in Miami, so every little girl had grown woman asked hair like. I remember being in like elementary school and being like we're playing touch football today, and it was like me and like seven of the black girls mean like these are fresh fringer waves. Coach. Nope, I didn't run around his Miami heat of fresh finger waves. Now, dude, it's gotta last on Slenday. So my mom gave me jelled on my hair down and I had legit Burgundy afropuffs because apparently my mother really was a fan of the lad range. Are there pictures we need pictures of that, na dog, I didn't come from a picture taking family. Go to the Daily Show Twitter account if you want to see Dulce is Babe one day baby. But yeah, I re so like I think because I grew up in the nineties, I remember seeing a lot of female rappers and then there weren't any because like em Cy light on where she went, and then like you know, Trina and Gangster Boot popped up. But it's kind of like when people talk about like okay, they can only be like one big black comic at a time, right, So it's like it was prior and there was any Murphy and then you know, now it's you know, the Chappelle and Kevin Hart, so that's like and then they're just going, you can only have one big female rapper at a time when there's a bunch of dudes talking nonsense all day and everyone's on board with it. I always felt like there was a feeling where there was proud to be a woman. There was like a proud to be woman era of lyricism within female hip hop. And then it was I'm as bad as these dudes and I'll beat your ass lyricism, which is kind of the brat and it just kind of gangst the boo, which is a little bit Trina and Trina was kind of that transition and little Kim but so shade, don't you want to your girl? Like then on my eyes, like they take it with the mom and y little kids from the overlap of I'll beat your ass, but also we can have sex if you would like to have sex, which one what you prefer. And now I feel like female rappers have given so much space now finally to be all of the different things that a woman could be like I love and I'm not saying this because she's from Montgomery, Alabama. I really enjoy Chica. Milly Two's from Alabama, Alabama. And there's this expressiveness of no, I'm going to talk about my inner thoughts and my wants and I don't have to if I choose to, I don't have to sexualize my lyrics. You have the freedom and the right to, but I can also be something else in the industry goes ah, yes, you come, come get a record deal too. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot more choice nowadays than they're used to be. I do feel like, you know, that gap that we were just talking about, that kind of happened after like Kim, Foxy and all of them came up and they changed the entire game. Like, if we're being honest, you know, Kim and Foxy made women owning their sexuality a thing. Um, it wasn't really talked about often from the woman's perspective and in rap and hip hop the way that they were talking about it before them. But kind of in consequence to that, that was then expected of all female rappers for at least a decade, which it's just you need to be the next Kim Foxy, which means you need be dripped in gabbana like they said, you need to be talking about sex. Is like all the time you'd be selling sex like it was a very specific archetype that they wanted for so long, and record labels even have said it now that they said women rappers were just too expensive, and that's one of the reasons there was such a long gap is they were like, we don't want to get a rubbing rapper, kase, and we gotta pay for hair, we gotta pay for nails, we gotta pay for your you know looks, we gotta pay for all this stuff. You've made it now so expensive to be a woman rapper, and then you're acting like that's the reason to gate keep. Also, it's like with I mean with Little, like the thing I remember specifically about being like when I was like middle school going in a high school. One look. Kim has a line in her song where she says I could make a sprite can disappear in my mouth, and there was way too many people are tempting this um just destroyed, just just just and then feeling it out. I'd never tried it. Because I was like, this makes no sense. Um. And then I remember a rumor about Little Kim having to go to the hospital to get her stomach pumped because she had a wild night with a couple of men, and let's just say there was Uh. I don't know how the way to say this and keep a Christian Um. I guess it's the best way to say it. I think I think people get the gist. Yeah, well, I mean she did too, so it's like, this is so sexual, but it seemed like it was being open about her sexuality, but it was still through a male gaze, Like it was like, I'm gonna talk about sex as a woman how men talk about sex? And I still felt like it didn't feel like it was from a woman's perspective, like I think the I think it took like Nikki or now especially Megan the Stallion and Cardi B. But especially Megan the Stallion. I was like, this is what it sounds like when a woman talks about sex, because Megan's always talking about a man pleasuring her, you know what I mean, as opposed to because it seemed like a lot of times, like a Little Kim and Foxy Brown, it was still them talking about like they were open with their sexuality, but it was still talking about pleasuring a man. You see what I'm saying, like them receiving pleasure from pleasuring a man as opposed to you know, Megan the Stallion being like, yeah, you're gonna go down to me while I play a video game, Like you're like, yeah, that is about her day. Tell me Patty Cake because I'm gonna make him feed meat animator. We gotta go to break, But I'll tell you my female rapper that energized and awakened me. And it's in that same little Kim Foxy Brown Trina sexualized Bravado era, but you had real flow as well. That's the other thing, Like this wasn't gimmick wrapped. These women had bars, But for me it was mia X because mea X was so counterculture to what everybody was doing. And when Master p dropped Unbounded in and they shot that video in the Callio Projects and mia X she's wearing a black baseball jersey and she's got a baseball bat, she's wearing a do rag and I'm like, this woman will beat the ship out of me. Undivided attention now imption right a, but some with I'm grabling, that's so your best bet backing off the temples. See that coming, like tom Way, you don't praise drama. That was the woman that just like old. Yeah, that was the one, like to this day. I met her at Essence Fest and I basically told her that story. I was like, just you with the back and she said, yes, baby, I will beat the shift out of you. I said, thank you. Yes, I remember seeing her. And the thing is because, like Queen Latifa has never been like a small woman, right, I don't know how this makes sense, Like you know how like Ashley Graham is a plus size model, but she just looks like as not She's not a fashion regularly. She's the type of curvy that they want, right, So that's how Queen Latifa looked to me. But when I saw me at X and I'm like, oh, I don't I know a million women that look like this woman? I am I currently like I looked like like she. She looked familiar, and she felt familiar and so and little bachelords in my neighborhood started calling me x and I was like, I don't hate it, um, so actually thank you UM. But I remember hearing her and going absolutely like yes, like I was always happy to hear her and to see her, and it was it was like it's stilt like master p really fucked with her because it seems like sometimes like right like sometimes when these girls and like the women in some rap groups are just like, oh, yeah, we got a girl, she uh come on with comes out some works. Come on, we got a girl. Which is why it was great. The Crime Mob had two girls, Um who have the two like the one you know I love nugaf you Buck. We've all decided at work that it would be the new Negro Spiritual. But it it was the same kind of feeling because when you will be out in Atlanta, that was the lines. Like their verses, you would just see just hood ass dudes in Atlanta at everybody's sinking, like because sometimes you know what dudes, they'll like stop on the female verse, they're like, I ain't gonna say this. What Diamond Princess came on, everybody was they were like, we don't care to theay women because he's just going in. So I like, I was so glad when they got to be more female Southern rappers because this was a style that I liked, and I was like, I know, there's gotta be women out here rapping. There are from the South, Like, it doesn't make any sense. It's only New York chicks doing this, even in regards to me at X, Like that's also getting into the fact that so many of these labels we really got famous off of the female rappers that they signed. The one mia X is one of no limit. I want to say hers was like the first album that like started charting. If I'm remembering the BT documentary they did on them last year, Ruthless Records was easy. J J Fad, which was an all women rap group, was the first record that started charting for them and put them on the map. Like, and those aren't the only two examples. It happened so much. But again, like nobody gives the women their credit um that they rightfully deserve. This me a X bar and then we're gonna go to a break. This is mia X. I'm about it, Occa poetry, I keep your ear holes laced with my pimpstress funk punks player hate because they should be bunk. It's trash. But I dunked somebody's head into a toilet full of piss because in this drama field fool, we ain't take it no shit. Man, Come on bars, we go beyond the bars and beyond the scenes. After the break, I want to talk to you all about the challenges that female rappers are facing now in the industry and kind of where things are headed. I'm Roybert Jnr. This is beyond the scenes. Will be right back. We've been talking about all of these amazing m c s and the ways they influenced us. Before the break, we forgot to talk about Lauren Hill. Funny, how money changes situation and just what Lauren Hill meant to that brain. Because we talked about the transition of lyricism, out of sexualization into whatever which way you wanted to go. I think it's fair to say that Lauren Hill was able to kind of expand minds in the sense that, oh, if you don't want to pop your kuchi, you can also talk about this. Yeah, definitely. Um, I would definitely say that I don't think we would have a Drake without Lauren Hill, if I'm being honest, just in terms of like the rap and singing, like I mean, if we want to trace the lineage here I'm just saying it exists. Um, But you know, in terms of the Lauren Hill two point, oh well, I don't know if I go that far with him, but like you know, he's he's a good attempt um. But you know, I don't think we'd have him. We wouldn't have an Azalea Banks. We wouldn't have like so many now rappers incorporation. I mean, do we do well where I will also very much say the Azalea Banks before everything recently, Man, she needed help, I know, like we don't. We don't. I don't know why we don't want to help her. We put up a Kanye's foolishness we have, but I guess if she was considered a genius, then yeah, we would. Okay, So then to that point, then they'll say, what are some of the biggest hurdles that are faced by female mcs. Because Azalea is a woman who's been very vocal about the industry and the shadiness of it. What are some of the things that you think women and ces are dealing with today that they weren't saying. Now, you can meet too these knicks before you just had to take it like before you couldn't say anything, and also would anybody have cared in the first place. But if you're because if you're coming out rapping about you know, sucking dicks, popping pussy, da da a a, are people gonna have any sympathy for you? When you go, hey, this man was being inappropriate, You're like, ma'am, we got two albums of you being inappropriate. So I think now you're able to you're able to have some agency over what happens to you more because now you can hold people accountable in some form of fashion. So the abuse that happens to women rappers within the industry, they can call that out faster to weed that out and have a better chance of having a career that's not deter by that type of drama. Yeah, because I'm sure like a lot of female rappers because you see, like because I've always wondered, like you have the see rappers and I'm like, where'd she go? And I can't always believe it's like, oh, her record stops selling. Also, there's more, there's more ways to release your music. You don't have to be behold holden to something like if you could produce your own album, there's comics that produce our own albums and put them on Apple and put them on Spotify and all this other stuff. So yeah, soundclouds, and we got plenty of SoundCloud rappers. So you know, if you get enough following on YouTube or Instagram or and in the social media, you can kind of skirt around a lot of the nonsense that rappers, you know, female rappers and nine three or two thousand three we're dealing with, because you don't have to be beholden to some man having a chokehold on your future. It's like, well, you know, if you do this, and you know, we might not put your album Like I only need to wrap the whole internet. I put this album all over that. That's cardib all day, right, So I have space. I'm not the system is going like the system broke, the system broke. You can release songs for free if you want to, just to get your name out, and so you don't have to wait to be the one female rapper that they lit pop every five years. Why is that, Chelsea? Is that are the women rappers held to a different standard, because from what I can hear, the songs are just as hot, the flow is just as good. Yeah, No, I definitely think that women rappers are held to different standards. I think this is actually something Duel Say and I were talking about. Is just it's kind of no matter what industry you're in, um, women are constantly underestimated and thought of as lower, and especially in rap, which is so male dominated and misogynistic. Like these women are still getting asked whether they write their lyrics. I'm like, men don't even write their lyrics anymore, Like why is that even still a question? Like people are still like, oh, did Cardi b right x y Z D da da da da, And it's like doesn't matter, like you know, like who cares. But then on top of that, like they have drink okay. I mean, I'm like that's why we have the whole feud between him and Meek mill Um. But you know, like even when all of that, these women are also supposed to be super fashionable all the time, they have to have all the hell of choreography, Like they're dancing, they're giving you, they're rapping, they're trying to dance like their Janet Jackson and at the same time like still trying to like keep a bomb flow and like have great lyrics. Like and the men just aren't listen me goes can walk around three times and they'll be out of breath. There's also just the fact that there's so many mediocre wrapping men out here, like, but we can't have a female equivalent of that, or whenever somebody is like not to whatever X y Z standard is, it's suddenly like the whole hip hop world is gonna, you know, go and burst into flames because this girl can't wrap on beat or whatever. And it's like, you know, how many men can't? Most of them? I mean, I think for me, the true measure of equality is allowing mediocrity truly, because when I think of because like, only of comics are women, right, m so out of a hundred comics, twenty of them are women. And I had a male I had a conversation with, uh, oh, I held the shade back in. I held the shade back in. I'm so proud of myself. Uh I'm trying to be blessed this year. And but he was like, I don't know a lot of like women killers. I'm got a lot of women killers. And I'm just like, are you looking for male killers? Because he's like, well, you know, I'll see a lineup and I'm like, out of ten comics, only one of them as a woman. Out of a lineup on a show, out of ten comics, there's usually one of them as a woman. At these other nine comics that are all men, four of them probably are okay, but all every female comics is represented in this one girl, right, she has to fucking destroy. And so because when women succeed in a male dominated industry, it's just like when you're you know, any marginalized group that is trying to be successful in an industry that's either predominantly white or predominantly male, you're going to have a problem and you're going to be held at a different standard because it's like, well, you need to show us that you're as good as us. And I'm like, half of your motherfucker's are trash, so I only need to be as good as half of y'all. Technically, yeah, but the industry wants you to be undeniable across the board, better than any man we've ever seen. I'm really waiting for the day where female artists because it seems like as I've gotten older, the less and less close female artists have on just in any like only girls that are still really seen like fully dressed or like country singers. I'm still girls still got clothes on. Everybody else about half naked. And I was like, Okay, when we can get to the point where you can listen to a woman perform a song and she in something in her titties aren't out of her assets, not just letterally fully dressed, then it's just like okay, because if it was. Because also there's a lot of ugly male rappers, a lot of them. Facts, there are no there are no ugly female rappers. Let me think, hang on, let me think, let me see. Yeah they all yeah, all eight eights are better. It's a lot of fours with the male rappers. Negative sixes is out here in the world. But they'll say, you don't think that what being performed at the Grammys was like this major moment for sex positivity. Absolutely, it was, absolutely, and it's it was interesting to see the wlats uh freak out to the point that they were having like medical professionals interviewing them like well is this the thing, Like, well know, actually, if if this is happening to you, the incident storder bit, you're not Finnish it up on a white man's Internet and tell me that a wet pussy is a disorder. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna listen to this nonsense. We're not gonna know. I'm a Christian, I'm not gonna listen to this. So it was crazy to see people just short circuit over this song because like I remember the first time I heard it and I just was like, I don't think I'm old enough to listen to the song. I truly I need adults of division. This song needs to I was like, oh, this is why parental advisory stickers were invented, because they were like, well, our children, I'm just like, listen, it is not TV's responsibility to raise your child, period, and like, well, we'll look up to them as role models. And I was like, if your children aren't being provided with better role models and Cardi B, there's something going on. There's something wrong in your house. So Chelsea, as we wrap up here, who should we be listening to? Now? Who's the future? Uh? The win? Who's the fruture of black wins? Female hip hop? I love Flomelli, I love Bree Runway. Um I am Doji Um, sweetie, I feel like it's like going to have like she she's about to hit that atmospheric uh stage. I feel like that we're talking about. She's coming around the corner too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she's dropped that dead weight. Um and yeah, I feel like those ones. Those are the ones that I listened to mostly. And then of course, like Megan, I feel like she hasn't really hit like that big, big, you know stage yet, but I feel like it's like at the Grammys. I think that's the next thing. You know. It'll be interesting though, because I feel like last year was kind of e mulligan because of COVID there was no touring, and touring is just as important to email artist to musicians in general, but to really tour a single, that's a very very important part of being able to become atmospheric and go to that next level. Well, this was a fun conversation. We didn't even get a chance to talk about. Um then white women rappers out in Oakland? Um, are you talking about V Nasty? Yeah you get that. Yeah. V Nasty got canceled, And then um, what's that girl? That the Gucci Gucci song? And then I think she had like a remix with Australia. Yeah, well we we and we never got to talk about Iggy Azelia. Um that might be Iglo Australia Australia. Listen, listen the shades coming out at the end. That was an Azalia Bank special. She came up with that. That is a praise God take for it. Murder business marya business was great. And then she started going on like the press tour and then she started talking and everybody went, oh where like Keith Urban is Australian And that's still confusing to me as well, right, but we let it ride. But Iggy Azelia listen, when we found out she was Australian, and everybody dropped her like a hot rock and t I just had to go, I'm sorry, friends, and just let her go. If she'd have been from Atlanta, she'd have been fine. She'd have been fine if she was from and she could have been from Wisconsin and we would allow it. Montana, North Dakota, we don't care. We might have gave her Canada no next time. The next dul saying we'll do white female MC's listen, I love the nasty and in she kept getting trouble for saying the N word, and she was just like, but my friends said, were like when I plant no, and she's like, but we're like no, and she just would not stop saying it and she got canceled. But Craig Shaan was fun. I'm just like, Yeah, this girl's got about two years and he's gonna be back at that office depot. Well. V Nasty lived up to her name. I can't thank you all enough for joining me and leading me and the listeners through this wonderful, wonderful journey. UH Female m Season Hip Hop. Chelsea Williamson Daily Show, Deep Dive, thank you Don't Say Sloan as always. You can see Don't Say on the Daily Show and you can see Chelsea's great work on The Daily Show every single night. I'm Royalo Jr. This has been beyond the scenes. We just went beyond the scenes. We did it. Now we're back in the present. Gucci Gucci, Gucci Gucci product. 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Hey, what's up, everybody. I'm Roy Wood Jr. And this is Beyond the Scenes, the show where we go deeper into the topics that you see on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. You know how they have the Talking Dead for the Walking Dead and you know, uh, Talking Bad for breaking Bad. Well, this is the Talking Show for the Daily Show. You know what. Never mind, we'll come up with a better name for it later. Basically, what we're gonna be talking about today is our segment dul Saying featuring TDS correspondent dul Say Sloan. Basically, these are explainer videos that go a little bit deeper into topics that you know, people need to know a little bit more about, like the history of the strong black woman or the Nineteenth Amendment. This week, we are talking about how female mc shaped hip hop. Hip hop. It's how we know what bottles the pop and what luxury items we can't afford. And we've been living in a golden era of female rappers with legends like Missy Elliott, Lil Kim, and Lauren Hill, not to mention Megan the Stallion and Cardi B. Dancing with a certain African who misplaced my ticket to the Grammys. But did you know that female rappers have been viewed in every era, every era, every every era that didn't work. It's true. Raps history is full of women who have largely been forgotten, like Sylvia Robinson, the woman who helped create hip hop. Sylvia was a singer, record producer, label executive, and the first person to rock the Farrell hat. She took rap from little known basement parties in the Bronx to worldwide commercial success in nineteen seventy nine by conceiving and producing raps first hit record, Rappers Delight. Not only was it the first rap single to conquer the charts, it also sold over a million copies. That's right, it went platinum, and back then we didn't even know what that was. They had to whip out a periodic table to help us walk us through this segment of door saying, please welcome, dull say sloan, how you doing my love? Hello? What for those that don't know I called uncle uh what junior Uncle Roy even though he might be I don't know when I ascend it to uncle status in the world of comedy in New York. But you're not the only one. We'll discuss that off air. Also helping us walk through this segment today is Deep Dive producer Chelsea Williams and Chelsea please also don't call me uncle. Welcome aboard, Hi roy. I thought she was gonna still say uncle me too. She respected a request. Now, before we get into how Chelsea does the research on these stories over in Deep Dive, Du'll say, breakdown the actual segment, Dul saying for me, like what first, what is the purpose of the segment and just kind of where the origins of it, the origins of it. So the want to produce the episode jin planned. She approached me, She's like, well, we have an interesting idea of kind of like an explainer piece, like basically wanting to get deeper information on the subject. And they were like playing around with a name, and she was like, what do you think adults saying. I was like, that's hilarious. Um. And so like you know, like you were saying of them like the nineteenth amendmant and you know, the trope of the strong black woman. Um. I believe we did want on the hair care products to write like black hair care products. Yeah, so they are I see them as topics that only I can really explain as a way to give our audience like deeper insights. So with this piece, it was to show the influence that women have had in hip hop and female mcs and the influence that they've had in music. The thing that I enjoy about Dull saying is that it's just you delivering facts and jokes because like traditionally in the field department, for the people who don't know, the creative process over the field wing is you have to you pitch the topic and then the next question is, okay, well who are we going to talk to about this topic? Who can we get what expert? And then it's booking and the next thing you know, two months have passed because you've got the perfect person, but they scheduled on and it's too much and you all can just go, I We're just going to talk about this now, Chelsea, because there is no person attached to this. That means that all of the facts have to come from Dulce, which means we get to have the facts right, which means you're the one deep diving on this. Where did what did you do? Just I guess we can talk broader about dulcine, but specifically about female mcs and hip hop. Where did you start that journey in assembling the pieces and looking at the history of it so that then the writers can come into that document and go, there's a joke. There's a joke. Then dul Say comes and it goes that's a good point. That's the point I want to make. I want to make that point. Yeah, I feel like a lot of it. Well, this one specifically began through what happened with Megan the Stallion and Tory Lanes last year. Um, yes, the shooting last July. Preparatory Lanes has been charged in connection with the shooting and fellow hip hop star Megan the Stallion. Lanes as accused of shooting Megan the Stallion's feet back in July after she exited his suv during the flight in the Hollywood Hills in both feet, yes, both feet, after they went to the party together. So we have been trying to figure out how are we going to put this into some sort of piece, like we need to do something because she is also not the first like female rapper that's something like that has happened to in this industry. Um, So it just felt like, I don't know it just felt like there was like not a trend, but like there. Yeah, it's like the sexism in the industry and how it affects like black women that specifically occupy the rap space, which is so misogynistic I think anybody would admit. Um. So we wanted to tackle that in some way shape reform, and it kind of ended up getting to the space of, well, let's talk about how women have influenced hip hop in general, because it's very much thought of as only men have done everything, and that it's it is still very male dominated, but as we showed and as duels they said, like black women literally founded and helped put together the first rap record, so it's like we've been there since the beginning, and you know, we deserve our flowers, and all the female rappers especially deserve their flowers because they never get them enough. Now I saw the peace, and I was disappointed to see that Charlie Baltimore had been um passed over. Now, there's only so much time that's not disrespect amount of Charlie Baltimore, one of my favorite rappers from the nineties. Thank you very much. UM. But Chelsea, Chelsea, say, what were some what were some pieces of the historical timeline, like what did you have to cut? Who were the rappers that you didn't get a chance to get in that because you know, I'm a Southern guy, so I'm already biased to like the Mida X and the Gangster Booze of the world. Yes, we were so much. We wanted to include Salt Pepper and Spinderella. I mean like they were some of the first ones, Like we had so made you have to be right right it was it was like it was literally like Sophie's choice. Um. It was like who were we going to mention because we know we're gonna offend somebody, and we actually weren't even able to. Ideally, we had wanted to end like on where we are now and like Highlight, you know, the Megan, the Stallions, the Cardi B's Nicki Minaj who kind of ushered in this entire new era um, and we weren't really able to so we didn't. We weren't able to get them in. We weren't able to get Trina the Baddest Bitch um. You know. There were just a few that unfortunately we could and you know put in, but they mean so much to hip hop and like that's not at all, So you had to focus on the foundation of the genre, of the gender in this genre. They'll say, were you okay with that? Once you all came to that decision, like, hey, we ain't got enough time to talk about present day hip hop. We're talking from you know, back in the day. We're talking from Cross Color Carl Cana right up to TLC. And then that that's going to be to cut off right. Well, I think it's like I think us not being able to include more present day artists, uh was a bit of a disservice, but one you gotta cut stuff for times sometimes. But also I think when it comes to the music industry and it comes to hip hop, everything is very much what's happening now, who's hot now, what's going on now? Whose album just dropped? Who say will just drop? So I think we're very much aware of who is popping currently. So I think it being a bit of a history lesson was beneficial to people because there's a whole generation of folks that don't know what Queenlandtiva with the rapper's only really I don't know ice Cube with a rapture. They argue me down about Will Smith the youngest. He never he won the first rap G What are you talking to? Do they even know about the fashion influence the young So I do sound like an uncle. You're right, I'm kids don't know nothing about this. I'm worried about that. I'm gonna hit auntie status before I become a mother and I don't. I can't handle that situation. Queen Lativa burst onto the rap scene with the pro woman message. Her song Ladies First showed off not only her lyrical prowess, but also uplifted women and name check other female mc She was shouting out more women than Mambo Number five than in her song called You Want, I t Y called out men in hip hop for referring to women as bitches and hope, bitches and holes. That's my bad. I got called up. I can see why I shouldn't have said that. I'm just That's where I think dul saying is such a rewarding segment because in a lot of ways, when you're doing segments that are about black issues, Chelsea, how are you all making sure that you're honoring, like because a black person or white person will watch this segment different if we're just gonna be blunt m hm. A black person is looking to see confirmation of things that they already knew, and it's great to see it being presented to another audience, whereas non black viewers, it's kind of a well, damn, I didn't know that it's information, Like that's it's interesting you said it that way, because like that's how I view like just my stand up just as a stand up comic. Like when I'm trying out a new bit, I'm looking for information does this work? Once the bid is established and I know it works, then it's confirmation. I already know this is funny. I'm just waiting for you to catch up. So when it comes to these segments, it's I know one group of people, Like when we are looking through scripts and we're fact checking, it's I gotta make sure that black people won't go, hey man, that's not no. You should have you should you should have said something that's not right. Um, Because like when we first got like the first job to the script and we were talking about Queen Latifa and they were referencing her being a character on like her playing a character on Living Single, her name was wrong in the script, and I just was like, her name is Kadija, not whatever they put in, and I'm like, oh, we gotta fact check that. I'm like, what the hell are you fact checking? I just hold the black person just told you. I not only did I see all the Living Single the first time, also watched it again and lockdown her name is. To be fair to some of our writers in the building, does say Living Single was up against Seinfeld in the same time slot on Thursdays and mad about you don't ask me how I know. Listen, honestly, I think mad you might be one of the reasons I have to think for these you know, God's shows and people. Honestly, I've been trying to figure it out and I was like, that's that's that's a separate podcast. That's not it. That's a separate lifestyle. Um. But I do like the fact that we're making That's where when I look at pieces like this, like when we're talking about you know, the black hair products and things like that, there are certain like when we do these pieces, I'm always like, Okay, we have to make sure we have a black writer on this because sometimes of the black person. If I don't like being questioned because I told you what the ship is? What are you asking me? Well, we gotta s We're gonna do Google is Google your reference? Because I just told you. So that's when you're saying, like black people are looking for confirmation. Anyone who is not aware is looking for information. So you want to make sure. And that's the thing with all of these pieces, you have to make sure that you're doing both things. You don't want to misinform, but you also, I don't want to say the wrong stuff because black people like y'all could have just they'll call you out before we go to a break real quick, I have to ask you a question since I know you were in on the writing part of this. There was a particular correspondent that was written into this um piece whose job it was to just come on and look like stupid man who interrupts woman and rapping in a group is great for a female MC because when the man repeats what you just said but slightly louder, he's not being sexist. He's being a good hype man, being a good hype man. See, women weren't just part of rap birth. They also invented the rap beat. Rap beat. Okay, that's enough. Whose decision was it to put this brother on the chopping block, Um, in front of all the black women's on the internet. How does that happen, Like when you start having all these extra cameos and stuff. Yeah, I feel like sometimes it's um, it'll come out of the Deep Dive team, like we'll be like, oh, you know, it would be a funny addition here is like the idea of like a hype man, and especially like ironic because we're talking about you know, women mcs UM and I don't know, just like the cultural meaning of a hype man in hip hop is just so important. It was just funny, Like it was like you can't you know, nobody else would have made sense, honestly, Roy, Like it's like it was supposed to be all right. Well, after the break, we're gonna get into a little bit about our own personal relationships with hip hop. Since I am the eldest uncle, I'm sure I remember some people that maybe you two don't, and we'll we'll compare notes on which female MC's influenced us the most. This is beyond the scenes, would be right, Let's talk for a second about your personal relationship with female limcs in hip hop. Like as women, as Black women's, as women's the representation how I'm joking, but but seriously, how empowering was it to see that, you know on television or did you all always see that and feel like it was not enough? Chelsea, I'll start with you. I mean, I feel like the most impactful one for me actually was probably Nicki Minaj because of when she came out, which was like the latter half of my high school years, and I wanted to say that was like the first rap album I bought for myself, um with Pink Friday. I don't know if I really got like the magnitude of the moment when I, you know, bought it, but like I knew that, like, Okay, this is this is gonna be great. I love this girl. It was also because she was featured on Mariah song so and I'm a huge Maria Carrey fan. But other than that, I would say yeah, and then side note for that, Mariah always featured a lot of female mcs on her remixes in the nineties and I loved those, so yes she did. Mariah had a nice little relationship with hip hop in the nineties, and then she would go, you know, a song with Bone Dugs and Harmony, like she got album of Tony Mottolind was like, I'm with all the black people now, basket, let me tell him to shimmy all over this track. Platinum. Don't say you're a little different in my opinion than Chelsea and that you came up in a city two cities actually, Miami and Atlanta that acoustically are so unique that it is possible to be a fan of someone who is Gangbusters regionally, but nationally people don't necessarily connect or resident the gangster booze or I guess it for your era, uh crime mob, right, because like, hey, yea, we're looking, we're bucking. People only think when you talk about who was in cry Mob, what did you talk about Princess and Diamond? I don't know what them dudes names are. No clue, no fucking clue. It's true, it's true. So who was there more of the mainstreams that you that you kind of fell in love with coming up? I remember as a kid, uh, seeing Queen Latifa perform Ladies first on TV. I don't know if it was like a living color or it was like on a late night show, but I remember seeing Queen Latifa perform on Tiva, I was like literal free stuffing my check the cloud mob, but it only seemed like they were mainly like female rappers from like the North, because like you like, you know, Queen Latifa, empty light, um in salt and pepper. And then like when the Brat came out, it was like the Brass not from the South either, but she was with the main Japri so by default Chicago. Yeah, that's when I thought from Chicago. So I think the only the first time I really heard a female rapper that was from a sound that I was accustomed to was when De Brat came out and it would be on songs with Jermaine dupri The thing that I thought was very interesting, um it seemed like there was you all correct me or from wrong. But it seems like when female mcs first came in the game, there had to be kind of a rough gruff, you know, em like stuff your afro puffs. Lady Rage. Yeah, because I remember my daughters that was another regional one out West. My mom did my hair like her one time, like Lady of Rage. But like I had a relaxer, so I couldn't have afro puffs, So my mother bought burgundy. Leave. This is like like the mid nineties in Miami, so every little girl had grown woman asked hair like. I remember being in like elementary school and being like we're playing touch football today, and it was like me and like seven of the black girls mean like these are fresh fringer waves. Coach. Nope, I didn't run around his Miami heat of fresh finger waves. Now, dude, it's gotta last on Slenday. So my mom gave me jelled on my hair down and I had legit Burgundy afropuffs because apparently my mother really was a fan of the lad range. Are there pictures we need pictures of that, na dog, I didn't come from a picture taking family. Go to the Daily Show Twitter account if you want to see Dulce is Babe one day baby. But yeah, I re so like I think because I grew up in the nineties, I remember seeing a lot of female rappers and then there weren't any because like em Cy light on where she went, and then like you know, Trina and Gangster Boot popped up. But it's kind of like when people talk about like okay, they can only be like one big black comic at a time, right, So it's like it was prior and there was any Murphy and then you know, now it's you know, the Chappelle and Kevin Hart, so that's like and then they're just going, you can only have one big female rapper at a time when there's a bunch of dudes talking nonsense all day and everyone's on board with it. I always felt like there was a feeling where there was proud to be a woman. There was like a proud to be woman era of lyricism within female hip hop. And then it was I'm as bad as these dudes and I'll beat your ass lyricism, which is kind of the brat and it just kind of gangst the boo, which is a little bit Trina and Trina was kind of that transition and little Kim but so shade, don't you want to your girl? Like then on my eyes, like they take it with the mom and y little kids from the overlap of I'll beat your ass, but also we can have sex if you would like to have sex, which one what you prefer. And now I feel like female rappers have given so much space now finally to be all of the different things that a woman could be like I love and I'm not saying this because she's from Montgomery, Alabama. I really enjoy Chica. Milly Two's from Alabama, Alabama. And there's this expressiveness of no, I'm going to talk about my inner thoughts and my wants and I don't have to if I choose to, I don't have to sexualize my lyrics. You have the freedom and the right to, but I can also be something else in the industry goes ah, yes, you come, come get a record deal too. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot more choice nowadays than they're used to be. I do feel like, you know, that gap that we were just talking about, that kind of happened after like Kim, Foxy and all of them came up and they changed the entire game. Like, if we're being honest, you know, Kim and Foxy made women owning their sexuality a thing. Um, it wasn't really talked about often from the woman's perspective and in rap and hip hop the way that they were talking about it before them. But kind of in consequence to that, that was then expected of all female rappers for at least a decade, which it's just you need to be the next Kim Foxy, which means you need be dripped in gabbana like they said, you need to be talking about sex. Is like all the time you'd be selling sex like it was a very specific archetype that they wanted for so long, and record labels even have said it now that they said women rappers were just too expensive, and that's one of the reasons there was such a long gap is they were like, we don't want to get a rubbing rapper, kase, and we gotta pay for hair, we gotta pay for nails, we gotta pay for your you know looks, we gotta pay for all this stuff. You've made it now so expensive to be a woman rapper, and then you're acting like that's the reason to gate keep. Also, it's like with I mean with Little, like the thing I remember specifically about being like when I was like middle school going in a high school. One look. Kim has a line in her song where she says I could make a sprite can disappear in my mouth, and there was way too many people are tempting this um just destroyed, just just just and then feeling it out. I'd never tried it. Because I was like, this makes no sense. Um. And then I remember a rumor about Little Kim having to go to the hospital to get her stomach pumped because she had a wild night with a couple of men, and let's just say there was Uh. I don't know how the way to say this and keep a Christian Um. I guess it's the best way to say it. I think I think people get the gist. Yeah, well, I mean she did too, so it's like, this is so sexual, but it seemed like it was being open about her sexuality, but it was still through a male gaze, Like it was like, I'm gonna talk about sex as a woman how men talk about sex? And I still felt like it didn't feel like it was from a woman's perspective, like I think the I think it took like Nikki or now especially Megan the Stallion and Cardi B. But especially Megan the Stallion. I was like, this is what it sounds like when a woman talks about sex, because Megan's always talking about a man pleasuring her, you know what I mean, as opposed to because it seemed like a lot of times, like a Little Kim and Foxy Brown, it was still them talking about like they were open with their sexuality, but it was still talking about pleasuring a man. You see what I'm saying, like them receiving pleasure from pleasuring a man as opposed to you know, Megan the Stallion being like, yeah, you're gonna go down to me while I play a video game, Like you're like, yeah, that is about her day. Tell me Patty Cake because I'm gonna make him feed meat animator. We gotta go to break, But I'll tell you my female rapper that energized and awakened me. And it's in that same little Kim Foxy Brown Trina sexualized Bravado era, but you had real flow as well. That's the other thing, Like this wasn't gimmick wrapped. These women had bars, But for me it was mia X because mea X was so counterculture to what everybody was doing. And when Master p dropped Unbounded in and they shot that video in the Callio Projects and mia X she's wearing a black baseball jersey and she's got a baseball bat, she's wearing a do rag and I'm like, this woman will beat the ship out of me. Undivided attention now imption right a, but some with I'm grabling, that's so your best bet backing off the temples. See that coming, like tom Way, you don't praise drama. That was the woman that just like old. Yeah, that was the one, like to this day. I met her at Essence Fest and I basically told her that story. I was like, just you with the back and she said, yes, baby, I will beat the shift out of you. I said, thank you. Yes, I remember seeing her. And the thing is because, like Queen Latifa has never been like a small woman, right, I don't know how this makes sense, Like you know how like Ashley Graham is a plus size model, but she just looks like as not She's not a fashion regularly. She's the type of curvy that they want, right, So that's how Queen Latifa looked to me. But when I saw me at X and I'm like, oh, I don't I know a million women that look like this woman? I am I currently like I looked like like she. She looked familiar, and she felt familiar and so and little bachelords in my neighborhood started calling me x and I was like, I don't hate it, um, so actually thank you UM. But I remember hearing her and going absolutely like yes, like I was always happy to hear her and to see her, and it was it was like it's stilt like master p really fucked with her because it seems like sometimes like right like sometimes when these girls and like the women in some rap groups are just like, oh, yeah, we got a girl, she uh come on with comes out some works. Come on, we got a girl. Which is why it was great. The Crime Mob had two girls, Um who have the two like the one you know I love nugaf you Buck. We've all decided at work that it would be the new Negro Spiritual. But it it was the same kind of feeling because when you will be out in Atlanta, that was the lines. Like their verses, you would just see just hood ass dudes in Atlanta at everybody's sinking, like because sometimes you know what dudes, they'll like stop on the female verse, they're like, I ain't gonna say this. What Diamond Princess came on, everybody was they were like, we don't care to theay women because he's just going in. So I like, I was so glad when they got to be more female Southern rappers because this was a style that I liked, and I was like, I know, there's gotta be women out here rapping. There are from the South, Like, it doesn't make any sense. It's only New York chicks doing this, even in regards to me at X, Like that's also getting into the fact that so many of these labels we really got famous off of the female rappers that they signed. The one mia X is one of no limit. I want to say hers was like the first album that like started charting. If I'm remembering the BT documentary they did on them last year, Ruthless Records was easy. J J Fad, which was an all women rap group, was the first record that started charting for them and put them on the map. Like, and those aren't the only two examples. It happened so much. But again, like nobody gives the women their credit um that they rightfully deserve. This me a X bar and then we're gonna go to a break. This is mia X. I'm about it, Occa poetry, I keep your ear holes laced with my pimpstress funk punks player hate because they should be bunk. It's trash. But I dunked somebody's head into a toilet full of piss because in this drama field fool, we ain't take it no shit. Man, Come on bars, we go beyond the bars and beyond the scenes. After the break, I want to talk to you all about the challenges that female rappers are facing now in the industry and kind of where things are headed. I'm Roybert Jnr. This is beyond the scenes. Will be right back. We've been talking about all of these amazing m c s and the ways they influenced us. Before the break, we forgot to talk about Lauren Hill. Funny, how money changes situation and just what Lauren Hill meant to that brain. Because we talked about the transition of lyricism, out of sexualization into whatever which way you wanted to go. I think it's fair to say that Lauren Hill was able to kind of expand minds in the sense that, oh, if you don't want to pop your kuchi, you can also talk about this. Yeah, definitely. Um, I would definitely say that I don't think we would have a Drake without Lauren Hill, if I'm being honest, just in terms of like the rap and singing, like I mean, if we want to trace the lineage here I'm just saying it exists. Um, But you know, in terms of the Lauren Hill two point, oh well, I don't know if I go that far with him, but like you know, he's he's a good attempt um. But you know, I don't think we'd have him. We wouldn't have an Azalea Banks. We wouldn't have like so many now rappers incorporation. I mean, do we do well where I will also very much say the Azalea Banks before everything recently, Man, she needed help, I know, like we don't. We don't. I don't know why we don't want to help her. We put up a Kanye's foolishness we have, but I guess if she was considered a genius, then yeah, we would. Okay, So then to that point, then they'll say, what are some of the biggest hurdles that are faced by female mcs. Because Azalea is a woman who's been very vocal about the industry and the shadiness of it. What are some of the things that you think women and ces are dealing with today that they weren't saying. Now, you can meet too these knicks before you just had to take it like before you couldn't say anything, and also would anybody have cared in the first place. But if you're because if you're coming out rapping about you know, sucking dicks, popping pussy, da da a a, are people gonna have any sympathy for you? When you go, hey, this man was being inappropriate, You're like, ma'am, we got two albums of you being inappropriate. So I think now you're able to you're able to have some agency over what happens to you more because now you can hold people accountable in some form of fashion. So the abuse that happens to women rappers within the industry, they can call that out faster to weed that out and have a better chance of having a career that's not deter by that type of drama. Yeah, because I'm sure like a lot of female rappers because you see, like because I've always wondered, like you have the see rappers and I'm like, where'd she go? And I can't always believe it's like, oh, her record stops selling. Also, there's more, there's more ways to release your music. You don't have to be behold holden to something like if you could produce your own album, there's comics that produce our own albums and put them on Apple and put them on Spotify and all this other stuff. So yeah, soundclouds, and we got plenty of SoundCloud rappers. So you know, if you get enough following on YouTube or Instagram or and in the social media, you can kind of skirt around a lot of the nonsense that rappers, you know, female rappers and nine three or two thousand three we're dealing with, because you don't have to be beholden to some man having a chokehold on your future. It's like, well, you know, if you do this, and you know, we might not put your album Like I only need to wrap the whole internet. I put this album all over that. That's cardib all day, right, So I have space. I'm not the system is going like the system broke, the system broke. You can release songs for free if you want to, just to get your name out, and so you don't have to wait to be the one female rapper that they lit pop every five years. Why is that, Chelsea? Is that are the women rappers held to a different standard, because from what I can hear, the songs are just as hot, the flow is just as good. Yeah, No, I definitely think that women rappers are held to different standards. I think this is actually something Duel Say and I were talking about. Is just it's kind of no matter what industry you're in, um, women are constantly underestimated and thought of as lower, and especially in rap, which is so male dominated and misogynistic. Like these women are still getting asked whether they write their lyrics. I'm like, men don't even write their lyrics anymore, Like why is that even still a question? Like people are still like, oh, did Cardi b right x y Z D da da da da, And it's like doesn't matter, like you know, like who cares. But then on top of that, like they have drink okay. I mean, I'm like that's why we have the whole feud between him and Meek mill Um. But you know, like even when all of that, these women are also supposed to be super fashionable all the time, they have to have all the hell of choreography, Like they're dancing, they're giving you, they're rapping, they're trying to dance like their Janet Jackson and at the same time like still trying to like keep a bomb flow and like have great lyrics. Like and the men just aren't listen me goes can walk around three times and they'll be out of breath. There's also just the fact that there's so many mediocre wrapping men out here, like, but we can't have a female equivalent of that, or whenever somebody is like not to whatever X y Z standard is, it's suddenly like the whole hip hop world is gonna, you know, go and burst into flames because this girl can't wrap on beat or whatever. And it's like, you know, how many men can't? Most of them? I mean, I think for me, the true measure of equality is allowing mediocrity truly, because when I think of because like, only of comics are women, right, m so out of a hundred comics, twenty of them are women. And I had a male I had a conversation with, uh, oh, I held the shade back in. I held the shade back in. I'm so proud of myself. Uh I'm trying to be blessed this year. And but he was like, I don't know a lot of like women killers. I'm got a lot of women killers. And I'm just like, are you looking for male killers? Because he's like, well, you know, I'll see a lineup and I'm like, out of ten comics, only one of them as a woman. Out of a lineup on a show, out of ten comics, there's usually one of them as a woman. At these other nine comics that are all men, four of them probably are okay, but all every female comics is represented in this one girl, right, she has to fucking destroy. And so because when women succeed in a male dominated industry, it's just like when you're you know, any marginalized group that is trying to be successful in an industry that's either predominantly white or predominantly male, you're going to have a problem and you're going to be held at a different standard because it's like, well, you need to show us that you're as good as us. And I'm like, half of your motherfucker's are trash, so I only need to be as good as half of y'all. Technically, yeah, but the industry wants you to be undeniable across the board, better than any man we've ever seen. I'm really waiting for the day where female artists because it seems like as I've gotten older, the less and less close female artists have on just in any like only girls that are still really seen like fully dressed or like country singers. I'm still girls still got clothes on. Everybody else about half naked. And I was like, Okay, when we can get to the point where you can listen to a woman perform a song and she in something in her titties aren't out of her assets, not just letterally fully dressed, then it's just like okay, because if it was. Because also there's a lot of ugly male rappers, a lot of them. Facts, there are no there are no ugly female rappers. Let me think, hang on, let me think, let me see. Yeah they all yeah, all eight eights are better. It's a lot of fours with the male rappers. Negative sixes is out here in the world. But they'll say, you don't think that what being performed at the Grammys was like this major moment for sex positivity. Absolutely, it was, absolutely, and it's it was interesting to see the wlats uh freak out to the point that they were having like medical professionals interviewing them like well is this the thing, Like, well know, actually, if if this is happening to you, the incident storder bit, you're not Finnish it up on a white man's Internet and tell me that a wet pussy is a disorder. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna listen to this nonsense. We're not gonna know. I'm a Christian, I'm not gonna listen to this. So it was crazy to see people just short circuit over this song because like I remember the first time I heard it and I just was like, I don't think I'm old enough to listen to the song. I truly I need adults of division. This song needs to I was like, oh, this is why parental advisory stickers were invented, because they were like, well, our children, I'm just like, listen, it is not TV's responsibility to raise your child, period, and like, well, we'll look up to them as role models. And I was like, if your children aren't being provided with better role models and Cardi B, there's something going on. There's something wrong in your house. So Chelsea, as we wrap up here, who should we be listening to? Now? Who's the future? Uh? The win? Who's the fruture of black wins? Female hip hop? I love Flomelli, I love Bree Runway. Um I am Doji Um, sweetie, I feel like it's like going to have like she she's about to hit that atmospheric uh stage. I feel like that we're talking about. She's coming around the corner too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she's dropped that dead weight. Um and yeah, I feel like those ones. Those are the ones that I listened to mostly. And then of course, like Megan, I feel like she hasn't really hit like that big, big, you know stage yet, but I feel like it's like at the Grammys. I think that's the next thing. You know. It'll be interesting though, because I feel like last year was kind of e mulligan because of COVID there was no touring, and touring is just as important to email artist to musicians in general, but to really tour a single, that's a very very important part of being able to become atmospheric and go to that next level. Well, this was a fun conversation. We didn't even get a chance to talk about. Um then white women rappers out in Oakland? Um, are you talking about V Nasty? Yeah you get that. Yeah. V Nasty got canceled, And then um, what's that girl? That the Gucci Gucci song? And then I think she had like a remix with Australia. Yeah, well we we and we never got to talk about Iggy Azelia. Um that might be Iglo Australia Australia. Listen, listen the shades coming out at the end. That was an Azalia Bank special. She came up with that. That is a praise God take for it. Murder business marya business was great. And then she started going on like the press tour and then she started talking and everybody went, oh where like Keith Urban is Australian And that's still confusing to me as well, right, but we let it ride. But Iggy Azelia listen, when we found out she was Australian, and everybody dropped her like a hot rock and t I just had to go, I'm sorry, friends, and just let her go. If she'd have been from Atlanta, she'd have been fine. She'd have been fine if she was from and she could have been from Wisconsin and we would allow it. Montana, North Dakota, we don't care. We might have gave her Canada no next time. The next dul saying we'll do white female MC's listen, I love the nasty and in she kept getting trouble for saying the N word, and she was just like, but my friends said, were like when I plant no, and she's like, but we're like no, and she just would not stop saying it and she got canceled. But Craig Shaan was fun. I'm just like, Yeah, this girl's got about two years and he's gonna be back at that office depot. Well. V Nasty lived up to her name. I can't thank you all enough for joining me and leading me and the listeners through this wonderful, wonderful journey. UH Female m Season Hip Hop. Chelsea Williamson Daily Show, Deep Dive, thank you Don't Say Sloan as always. You can see Don't Say on the Daily Show and you can see Chelsea's great work on The Daily Show every single night. I'm Royalo Jr. This has been beyond the scenes. We just went beyond the scenes. We did it. Now we're back in the present. Gucci Gucci, Gucci Gucci product. 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