Hey, it's Roy Wood Junior. Beyond the Scenes has taken a break this week, so we're taking a minute to revisit an episode that we think is particularly important in light of recent events. In this episode, I sat down with Daily Show correspondent Michael Costa, segment director Stacy Angeles, and a guest producer, Pierre Adrian Early. We discussed a pair of field pieces that were filmed in Switzerland about how the Swiss owned so many guns, have no mass shootings, and what America could learn from their gun culture. Heavily listen, Hey, what's up. I'm Roy Wood Jr. Now have you ever gone to the music store to buy c D? Remember c dse young people back in the day, you have to show up to a building to buy music. Well, we used to have something call bonus stretch. You would have a c D and then at the end of the c D would be music that you didn't even know was on the c D bonus trikes. That's what this podcast is. This podcast is the bonus track to what is the Daily Show. We're talking about correspondence, writers, producers and past guests who've been on the show to go a little deeper into topics that we've already seen explored on the show, and to also see where we are today on those issues, we go beyond beyond the scenes. So this week we want to talk about a two part segment where Michael Costra went over to Switzerland to explore the gun laws and so you know, they don't really have a lot of mass shootings in Switzerland, but everybody owns a gun. Here's a little piece from that segment. When it comes to gun culture, Switzerland has a few more regulations than America, and thanks to these gun regulations and strict ammunition control, Switzerland has a murder rate of nearly zero. Sure that's a great statistic, but how safe can it really be? How many school shootings have there been? What about malls people should what about like major holidays? People get shot up at major holidays. Here this is the dream, shooting guns without the fear of getting shot. This is where America should be. All we need to do is keep ammos separate and have universal criminal and mental background checks, have extremely strict open carry laws, justification for ownership, send written request authorities, and basically just change our entire gun culture. We can do that, right, all right? So to help us go beyond the scenes. We have correspondent and stand up comedian and you know what, just an all around good damn guy, Michael Costa. That's nice. I was wondering what you were gonna say, but thank you, Roy. You know, we we go way back to our Los Angeles day, pre Daily Show. I don't have a lot of friends in that building that pre date my employment there, so it's always only a long time. And you've always been supportive of my comedy and I appreciate now here we are in the beyond the scenes bonus track going beyond the seat. Did you ever think when we were at In and Out Burger after bombing somewhere on mill Rose, no nothin that? Also joining us um our field producer Stacy Angelie, Stacy, how are you doing good? Thanks for having me and for that depressing intro about c D s oh, because you remember c DS as well. Now I want to also introduce our guests. He was one of our producers, kind of a slash fix it. Look, when we do international episodes and we travel abroad, we need somebody over there to make sure that the ship don't go south, and we need someone to make sure that we know what the hell we're doing while we're in the country, and they can also help us connect the dots because they have a deep and even deeper understanding of the issue because they're actually boots on the ground. Pierre Adrian early, Welcome to us from Switzerland, sir, how are you good? Thank you for having me. So let's just jump right into it. Costa, where what was the genesis of this of this piece? Besides you really wanting to go out of the country for free, that's well, you know, I would love to claim that this piece originated from the mind of Michael Costa, but as can happen at the Daily Show, I got to the office late, probably, and I saw an email that Stacy had pitched to the field department about how Switzerland owns more guns per capita than America and has so few, if any, mass shooting. So I read Stacy's email and was excited and hoped that I would be the correspondent that could do this piece, and it turned out to be true. But Stacy is really the one that I think fired the first shot, if you will. Yeah, a lot of fun, nicely done. Where did this come from, Stacy? Well, it was after the Parkland shooting and U, I mean, I'm from Texas also, where there's a lot of guns, so I have my opinion about guns where. And then I remembered, um, I wanted to do a piece because it just felt like it was getting worse and worse. And I loved the John Oliver Old Daily show piece in Australia. It was like a great example of you know, successful gun control legislation. But I was like, there's no way in hell America is going to get rid of all their guns. They're just that's just not gonna happen. So I started like googling countries that had a lot of guns, but you know, no mass shootings or very minimal you know, gun violence. You hear that listeners She didn't, God damn research. I googled, okay, well, yeah, that's still research. And then at the time the top three um places that had gun will that had guns was I forgot what number one was, Oh, it's America, and then number two was Yemen, and then three with Switzerland. And I was like, well, Yemen's in a civil war. And I did I too, wanted a free trip to another country if it got to prove so that's how it happens. But really, like if you would have picked, if you would have picked countries that didn't have a lot of gun violence, the easy answer would have been, yeah, but they don't have any guns. The beauty of this pitch and story is that Switzerland has a lot of guns and a lot of assault rifles. And that that surprised me too, because it's obviously a very depressing topic. But I was like, when you think of Switzerland, you think of like, you know, neutral, Sorry Pierre if I'm insulting, you know, but you think of like, you know, chocolate and and fun. You just you don't think of guns. And so I was like, maybe this is the best way to approach a dark topic by putting it in a in a vehicle that has like that is known for like you know, pure bliss. Welcome to Switzerland, a neutral country most known for its cobblestone streets perfect for skipping, it's clocks, sophisticated pocket knives, and guns. Even from a place of conflict, Switzerland is like it's it's almost like a euphemism for just I'm not in it. I'm not involved whatever you all arguing about over there. I'm over here. I'm Switzerland. Like that was always the perception, Pierre. Before we get into you know, kind of your role in you know, and helping to produce this piece and your thoughts on it. First, what is the perception of America in Switzerland when it comes to violence, just in general, I think it's, uh, it's it's the perception is that it's kind of the jungle law when it comes to uh gun ownership and how people can actually go to the supermarket and and buy a gun um and and that seems a little bit shocking from Europe, not only from Switzerland but from the European perspective, because there is so many of these what's so called common sense um rules that you have to provide background check and so on and so forth. So I think that's that's the main person option and maybe also misunderstanding of the culture of guns in the US is how the hell can you go in a supermarket and buy a gun and then do whatever you want. You can also buy groceries at that same supermarket, Pierre, And I don't appreciate you generalize. You don't see tomatoes getting regulated here? I mean it, it's crazy. I remember I told you I have a friend in Texas that has over thirty guns, like we counted them. He has over thirty, and I just think that's the most like that wouldn't happen in Switzerland. You know how easy it is to get a gun in the US. I just go to Walmart given the money. Gun. I know my uncle Paul out of his truck, he's got a bunch of guns. My brother Todd has a gun. You want to use it, borrow for the weekend. That's nice. Not really. In Switzerland. You can get a gun from your grandparents or from your father, but you still have to do the paperwork. Even if I get a gun for my grandpa, I still got to tell the cops about him. Yeah, that's crazy because in most states in America you can buy a gun almost immediately without any background check, but not in Switzerland. You apply the permit from the police, You provide clearance of your criminal record that you don't have any convictions, Wait for two weeks. What if it's a small crime. What if you got caught urinating in public, You got caught for sleeping with your cousin because you didn't know it was a cousin, because it was at your family reunion, and she looked like she worked at catering. What if it's like assaulting a police officer, but really you were just tickling them. You can't be responsible of following some other simple rules in society to behave Why should you have a gun? All right? So, so for the people who haven't seen the guns in Switzerland, piece, just walk us through some of the beats of it, because I know that Switzerland has these wild gun laws and everybody has a gun, but there are no shootings. What were you all exactly unpacking in the piece? Yeah, you know, there's there's compulsory military uh involvement, and when you turn eighteen in Switzerland, you are assigned assault rifle. And just as an American listened to that and just and and think about that. So wait, classes, so everybody, just your eighteen, here's your gun. Gun? I think that Pierre, is that right? Yeah, that's correct. Every man at eighteen years old gets get sent rolled in the army. It's a militia army. And basically, whether you're in the office or on the ground or in the air force, you you received this assault rifle two six five fifty uh. We call it fast ninety and it's a pretty badass gun actually, And so to meet and go to a culture that has so many weapons of war, We're not talking about a little tiny handgun. We're talking about assault rifles right, pretty much the same guns that are used in such the tragic events of in America. To go to a country that has that same passion but doesn't have the murder, doesn't have the tragedy, doesn't have the elementary School of Deaths was something that I was genuinely very interested in learning and hope that we can all learn from. So I think what's what's interesting to to say about the gun laws and culture in Switzerland is you basically you can carry your gun. And what's interesting also is that the army. Once you're done with the army, you can keep your gun for the rest of your life as a souvenir actually, but you cannot carry the AMMO with you. So your AMMO has to stay at the base. And so that's just so for you when when if if ship hits the fan, you have your gun, you go to the base and then you get the AMMO. That's in theory, but in practice we all have those guns under the bed without the AMMO and that Pierre. Um. You cannot buy MMO easily in a way that you go just to the shop and say hey, I want that that MMO and you have to register, they will ask for your name. The look if if you're basically low allowed to to buy ammunition. UM. So I think that's also interesting when it comes to a gun is nothing without the m O. And it's all about how do you separate the two things in a way that that yeah, you have guns everywhere, but you don't have MMO and guns everywhere. That's a big difference. Another interesting thing for me that I discovered in the piece is the entire the popular gun culture. Um. Because when you're in the army, you have to shoot once a year for training. That's compulsory, and so you have all these little clubs in the regions where you go and shoot, and um those clubs have developed into introducing shooting but sports shooting to young people, to teenagers and so on. So you go there and you actually see those twelve year old uh, teenager shooting, but there's no relationship to violence. It's all about precision. And the interesting thing is as soon as they can use a compressed air rifle. They'll do it because it's just it's just more precise. And so it just shows that it's it's all about the sports, the precision um rather than than the violence and and the relationship to violence. So that that I discovered during during during the segment and in the prep, and it was super interesting for me as well. I decided to embrace this culture and hang with the only group that would let me in. Wow. Yeah, you guys got air fifteens here, huh, meet the Shooting Society of Press. It was time to show these Swiss fon dues how Americans shoot guns. I missed you missed yet? Can you ever take your gun school? No? No, we don't. You're not American. Okay, well I can say that, but he can't Swiss kids up even if it is true, because the fact is, for Swiss kids, life with guns is very different happens. It's not like like in the US where you have those last shootings when he goes to school, he just has to worry about school. Yeah, catching the bath sometime. What's the distance that they shoot as a three D? Yeah? Okay, so we're in the Swiss country. Start keep talking. It's like it's like three football fields, so to speak. Away it's long thousands thousand feet. So we are in the Swiss countryside. I'm with these like twelve thirteen year old boys and girls and they are shooting assault rifles three hundred meters away at targets. Now there's cows just chilling close to the targets. Okay, real big Swiss cows with bells on. So I say, as a dumb thirty nine year old American, I go, hey, kids, you ever like take a couple of shots at the cows? And they looked at me like I was insane. They looked at me like, one, they never even thought of that too, that wouldn't be right. Three. You know, it's just like my dumb American culture was like, yo, what can you wipe out with this gun? And these kids were like, I'm trying to hit the target. I'm not even thinking about you know, you don't get a gun cut. That's why exactly. But that is the the epitome of this American mentality of fun or guns. And you know, there was a mass shooting in Switzerland in two thousand one and they immediately made a new regulation, and I think that was the separate mm O one is that it here, okay. So, and the reason I bring that up is regulations work. They are successful, and I just wish we no one's trying to take away America these guns. I wish we I put myself in this would do a much better job at regulating that. It's like the old Chris Rock joke. The least America could do it started charging like five dollars for a bullet. So if you shoot somebody, it's really you gotta really mean it. It's expective. You know. We sat down in the second part, we sat down at a shooting festival with the former Prime Minister of Switzerland and he said something that it was so simple but so powerful, and it was that here in Switzerland we respect guns and you can we can talk in and out hours and hours about these pieces. At the end of the day, that is what it comes down to. You give an eighteen year old male assault rifle and they have the respect to not use it against their fellow man. Costa as you're unpacking this, you know, because this is a two part piece, which isn't the norm on the Daily Show, so it's a lot to bite off. But this is also one of your first pieces. Dude, I'm just gonna be honest. When I first started here, I feel pressure every day. It was, oh my god, they're gonna fire me. Oh he looked at me funny. The first week I was at the Daily Show, two of the dogs barked at me. We have dogs in the office, and I was like, they're gonna fire me. The fucking dog take me. I think I'm not doing a good job. So was there a lot of pressure? Did you feel a lot of pressure rather well? And you know roy as as a stand up comic, like you're only as good as your last job, So there is always this feeling of I better deliver. This wasn't earlier piece of mind. It was international. I probably being knew, didn't realize kind of how big that was. Uh, the flight is more expensive at the hotel. This is also Switzerland, where chicken sandwich is like fifty three dollars. Uh. So I you know, I feel more pressure doing pieces that I am not so interested in. This was truly fascinating to me, and so I was genuinely interested. And I do think that that comes off in the piece as someone who I believe is pretty American and and for the most part understands our passion for guns. I'm not saying I agree with how we executed, but I understand maybe how we got here. Well, after the break, I want to talk with you a little bit more, Pierre, about the people of Switzerland, what it was like being on the ground helping to produce this piece. And I want to hear more about this fifty dollar chicken sandwich, because you know, I'm a connoisseur of chicken. That's that's a separate episode of the podcast. We'll be right back, Pierre. You do a lot of production work, and you are a person that is on the ground in Switzerland, you know, connecting the dots on a lot of different journalistic issues. What was it working in an international capacity? The thing that I'm always curious about is how our brand of humor will translate in another country. So let's just start with that. What did you think of Costa, What did you think of Stacy? What did you think of the piece? First of all, I think we had we had a lot of prep work with Stacy, and we worked very well together and prepping this this segment, and um, it was a lot of fun. Actually, we we were a really good group UM and UH traveling in a little van across the country and we have so much fun that um, it was really hard to handle. But overall, I think that we're working working with an American production, is it's fairly easy in a way that we share the same humor. I think sort of the same sense of humor. Would probably be more difficult with a Japanese or Chinese these UH production, which doesn't have the same humoristic standards at all. UM. And what was really interesting for me is I'm not a gun specialist at all, so I had to learn a lot and it was the opportunity for me really to dig into that culture of guns in Switzerland, and I was fascinating to really understand how opposite is it um from from the U. S. Gun culture. And we can say a little bit more about that later. Can I step into brag about Pierre for a second to because I didn't know where to begin, and I would just be like, you know, Pierre, I read this this, this is this true? Can like that kids start training at twelve at guns shooting schools after school and then the next day like we became like BFFs. We were like skyping all the time. The next day he actually went to a place scouted it, met the students, met and like gave me pictures and videos and was like you want their releases? They already said yes, And I was just like, can be hot? Can you move to America? Can we? He was just so great and on top of everything. And then I was like, who are people who think American gun culture is great? And he would have a list ready, so, um, I just wanted to brag about how great he was because and that's the thing that's very that I think goes understated about the Daily Show in our productions and how when you show up somewhere to try to film people to have a legitimate conversation. Yes there's going to be humor, but we're not out to make you look like an idiot. That's a very delicate conversation because the only the only scary thing to point is someone than a gun as a camera. So you're coming in with all of this equipment, like, hey, they're cool that it's pasta. I was gonna talk to you about this a little later, but since we're on it, what was it like? Just what you're a father? I assume your child is not a gun owner at what too? Now, yeah, my child is not a gun owner. I didn't have a kid then. Um. You know, now, if someone said you're going to Switzerland for a week ago, can I go for a month? You know, I haven't slept, you know, but look, there was a there's a very wonderful, comedic, poignant half a second shot um in this piece of a man or woman. I forget pushing a baby in a baby stroller and their assault rifle is underneath the baby in that little part of the stroller where the diaper back when the diaper bag goes. Uh. When I in the second part, when I walked into the shooting festival and I saw people holding a beer in a left hand and an assault rifle over their shoulder, I stopped and I said, what what am I doing here? Do I want to walk into this? Uh? The feeling of assault, rifle and violence are tied together, and I didn't feel super warm. Now it takes about two minutes for the Swiss to be nice to you and welcome you and say come on in here. And they called me a pussy because I was wearing a bulletproof vest. Uh. And I liked him immediately, but um, yeah, it was. It was jarring to learn more about their gun culture. I attended. I choose the world's largest annual shooting festival right here, and that's a lot of guns. Even that baby has a gun. There's not enough training in the world to prepare me for this. So I brought my two secret weapons, my translator Pierre, and my supermanly rock hard American vest. Why are you wearing a pussy West? What is what? Did he said? Yeah? Pussy vests. Ah, that's that's funny, pussy vest. Why aren't you wearing a pussy best? People are walking around with guns? What is that? What is that? Hope that they're shooting there? Now? I will also say this real quick about um pre production stay. He was telling me back in the office, there's this guy Pierre. He's really he's setting us up. He's really smart, and so we knew it was going to be a good piece. There's also been a piece. There was a fiser factory in Ireland and the locals were claiming that they would get extra strong erections because VIAGRAA was seeping into their drinking water. So we hired a fixer in Ireland to go check it out, and it was all bullshit. It wasn't a real story. So then we don't fly to Ireland, we don't spend the time and the money and the energy shooting that piece. But he really wanted to do that piece. I thought that piece was hilarious. But thankfully the person we hired in Ireland was like, this is all just a joke. But when you hire Pierre and you see, oh there is something here, it's that knowledge, is that local knowledge that makes you go, okay, we can do a piece. And and Pierre was like a fluffer because people were hesitant to have us, you know, they're like, who are these Americans? And they all have this view of us, and Pierre was also good with that. He was right, we had the same since here he knew American gun culture was like shitty, and he knew that was better. He knew he was better than us. But he also made it like acceptable for people to talk to us, because there's always that barrier, that wall, and he helped make us look you know, legit and acceptable. We would never have spoken to the Prime Minister of Switzerland if it weren't for Pierre, also because it wouldn't have known he was sitting there? How did that? How did that happen? Pierre? Because I know in America our politicians fade into the moment they're at the office. They're like, fuck you, I'm not sitting here answering more questions about the world. I quit my job. So how did you get the prime minister on board? So we were at this this um this kind of shooting. Party would say, it's called this countryside shooting. I've heard of a gun range. I've heard of a gun club, which is more exclusive. It's sort of an outdoor sketch. You do you believe you will exactly guns and beers. This was an American wet dream, but something was different in this country. Career respect arms, and if you respected, it's not the problem. Why should I listen to this drunk Swiss role? I was president for five years. You're telling me I'm having beer with the former president of Switzerland. Yes, nowhere else could a former president be surrounded by thousands of firearms with no security. How can we get America to feel this safe? That's problem? Well, that's as neutral as it gets. It's kind of this yearly event where every region in Switzerland organizes it's its own kind of shooting um events outdoors in the fields, and uh, it's sort of important for every region. And that Prime minister character was was there because it's it's his hometown or is her region basically, so he was there and probably has still some some activity in in you know, um associations and stuff, and it's important for him to be there, I guess, with a group of people and show up. So he was sitting there, and I was also a little bit impressed that we just came across him. Um, no bodyguard, nothing, Um, he was just sitting there and actually having a couple of beers with his friends. But do you remember Pierre I go, He goes, oh my god, there's the president of socially like what now and You're like, no, I said something like president of what. I was thinking he was president of the club, president of something else. He goes, no, president of our country and I go, what former former president for former president? Yeah? Like but I was just like, that's absurd because even former presidents of our country. I mean, granted, you know, America is a lot bigger than Switzerland, but it was just that's that's the thing. Also, you mentioned they see the The whole challenge of this piece, at least for me on as a producer, was to um make sure that we had access to all the clubs and the people and and because it's it still is a sensitive topic. I mean, gun culture everywhere, even in Switzerland is a very sensitive topic. And when you go into shooting range with cameras and Americans, the first thing they will think is, oh, they're gonna show basically show us shooting and and we don't control what they're gonna say about us and so on. So that that was a little bit of a challenge to take a lot of time in in prep to to to introduce the show to those people and make them sure that we're gonna be friendly and not making fun of them, but actually doing something good UM. And worked out a little bit the same when when we meet like the former president of Switzerland, UM, we have just to introduce ourselves in a certain way. So we make sure that that it works out. And that's the magic of producing. I guess it's the magic appire. Yeah, I guess what you're saying, Pierre, is that essentially setting up these segments UM in a country as an unknown foreign outlet, it's kind of like buying cocaine from someone you never met before, and you've got to earn the Yeah, we've never done that, but I guess so me neither. Of course, of course me neither. After the break, Pierre, I want to ask you and Acosta as well, what do you think Americans stand to learn from the gun culture in Switzerland. It's beyond the scenes. We'll be right back, Pierre. Now, first of all, I did some googling during the break, and apparently Switzerland has a president, not a prime minister. My apologies if I've disrespected the honor of your country by calling that dude to prime minister. Apologies accepted. What do you think Americans could learn from the Swiss on just gun safety and how do y'all not murder? Help us not murder? I think what costas said before, um, it's all about respect the gun. And why do this Swiss respect the guns? I think is ingrained in the culture. Um, Because when you receive a gun from the army, so basically from the States, when you're eighteen years old, this is quite impressive. It's probably the first time someone trusts you in your life with something so important, and in return you. You owe that respect, I guess, and there is an entire organization around I mean, even the idea alone that the military is who provides you the weapon is interesting and it sends a very clear message that this is a weapon of war. This isn't a hunting device, this isn't a recreational toy. I mean, I know this would be crazy in America, but if you want an assault rifle in America, that's fine. The United States military will present it to you. Uh, that might change things a little bit. But I think that's really interesting costa, because the big difference between the two cultures is in Switzerland, the States gives you that gun to protect the state, and I think in the US the individual buy is that gun to protect himself against the States. And that's the complete opposite. Yeah, And and look, we're different countries with right, with different histories, and uh, this country United States is founded on rebelling against the English and having um in in defending itself against the state. So it is different. And that's one thing that would be dumb if I didn't mention these are entirely different countries, entirely different histories. Um And I'm not saying America has to copy Switzerland, but there's things we can learn from there. That's fair. That's very fair. Now, was there anything I forgot to ask you all this earlier? Was there anything that didn't make it into the piece that you wish had? Because I know when you go shoot overseas, and I've been on shoots with Stacy, there's always so much to see and get that. Yeah, you guys are good sports. Um. We did have an interview and actually this is a good time to chat with Pierre's mediator because he didn't speak any English. His name was Jean Luke, and from my understanding, he loved American gun culture and wanted this Switzerland gun culture to be more like American more gun freedom. But we ended up cutting that. I don't remember why. I think it's because we already know that point of view, because he kind of had an American point of view. But Pierre can clarify that because again we didn't understand one thing you said. He's a he's a right like, right wing, point like far right wing politician and lobbist for for an more open gun culture than it is even um, and that what's interesting is we got to interview his opponent, so Lisa Matsona, who's actually in in in the in the segment, and um, and I think the arguments we all know them, right, Uh, they're pretty much the same, uh with with with this that you have in the US. It's self defense, it's freedom, it's this and that. UM. But overall, I think even the far right wing politician uh wants to have proper gun laws. It's not like, uh completely out in the wild. So Roy, you know, I don't know if you can relate to this, but uh, I got steamrolled that interview. I mean I came in wanting to hear his point of view so we so I could have something to respond to. Uh. But uh, like any well seasoned successful politician, this motherfucker did not stop talking. Okay, and I'm trying to get in there, but we're also waiting on Pierre, who is not a U N translator. Okay, he just happens to speak French, so he's trying to translate this guy who won't stop talking. He's then you know, Yeah, it was it was very hard. I think if I would love to go back into that interview again because I would literally put my hand over his mouth and say stopped talking for a second and let me so. So as a correspondent, I learned from that interview and I think that um more experience on the job would have been helpful, but that didn't make it also because he didn't shut the funk up. Yeah, he was actually super, super calculated, and he baby gave us. He made us wait for a long time, like he was prince or something, and then he made us. He gave us maybe like fifteen minutes, and his answers were so long, so by the time it came for Pierre to translate, it was like he knew he was eating up more time. But that was like, whatever, screw that guy not being in it. But I did want to give Costa a shout out for being a good sport because there were stunt things that were cut out that he really put his body through. Because we made Costa do a lot of stuff to show off switzerland stereotypes in the beginning, before we introduced the idea that they had a lot of guns. And so there was one part where it's like, you know, Switzerland known for cobblestone streets, chocolate fondue, whatever, and then like there there are many rivers and there's a river, what's it called Pierre, the Burn River. It's in the city of Burn, Okay. I wasn't too far off, but it's basically like a natural you know six Flags how they have the Lazy River that like that has a natural flow that you can just float in it. It's like a one that goes around the city. No urine, but it has like a really And so the joke was for Costa to flow through the frame and be like it's many rivers as he was centered, and then like float away. But the current ended up being super strong, so he would always be a little bit off camera when he like shouted or whatever. So he jumped in there like so many times and kept getting messed up and he's like ruh, and I was like, I'm sorry, you gotta do it again, and and people's spectators started gathering and like really rooting for Costa, and then he would just start like improvised to be like what the fuck helped me? Mom? Somebody called my mom? And he just kept missing the mark. I mean, he was a really really hard shot to do. And then at the end he finally nailed it and he had a crowd and they all cheered him on. Never made the never made the piece, and afterwards we all jumped into solidarity. And it was hard because you have to swim back against the current to redo the shot. And I think we also had goach chasing you. We had to be like running away from It was a cool moment at the end of a long day where the whole crew stripped down and we all jumped in the river burn together. It was fun, It was a cool It was a cool thing that don't get to do it too all. So, Pierre, I'll end with this question to you, since you are our foreign correspondent, which is more likely to happen Americans influencing Swiss gun culture or vice versa. Sadly, probably the first, because it's it's always easier to get a little bit um yeah, more populists than the other way around, especially when it comes to that that those very controversial things. But but I think there is only a certain amount of freedom you will get. I mean, our political system or laws are made in a way that you can't just have a situation like like like in the US um and I think sadly the other way around, you probably won't be able to have the exact same thing we have in Switzerland, because you're the culture. The root cause is so different, and so what we what we can't imagine is that um, in the US, we just get inspired by a few best practices. Uh so as to put it, put it, put yourself back in the right track when it comes to having less mass shootings, having less people dying in the streets for nothing, because it's just unacceptable. All right, Well, thank you all for kicking back and going beyond the scenes. But me, Stacy, I love you, Pierre when I get over to Switzerland to have um one of those fifty chicken sandwiches that we're now thinking about, trying to see what that not? Your only takeaway from this whole podcast is expensive sandwiches, which is actually not true. Shut up here. 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Hey, it's Roy Wood Junior. Beyond the Scenes has taken a break this week, so we're taking a minute to revisit an episode that we think is particularly important in light of recent events. In this episode, I sat down with Daily Show correspondent Michael Costa, segment director Stacy Angeles, and a guest producer, Pierre Adrian Early. We discussed a pair of field pieces that were filmed in Switzerland about how the Swiss owned so many guns, have no mass shootings, and what America could learn from their gun culture. Heavily listen, Hey, what's up. I'm Roy Wood Jr. Now have you ever gone to the music store to buy c D? Remember c dse young people back in the day, you have to show up to a building to buy music. Well, we used to have something call bonus stretch. You would have a c D and then at the end of the c D would be music that you didn't even know was on the c D bonus trikes. That's what this podcast is. This podcast is the bonus track to what is the Daily Show. We're talking about correspondence, writers, producers and past guests who've been on the show to go a little deeper into topics that we've already seen explored on the show, and to also see where we are today on those issues, we go beyond beyond the scenes. So this week we want to talk about a two part segment where Michael Costra went over to Switzerland to explore the gun laws and so you know, they don't really have a lot of mass shootings in Switzerland, but everybody owns a gun. Here's a little piece from that segment. When it comes to gun culture, Switzerland has a few more regulations than America, and thanks to these gun regulations and strict ammunition control, Switzerland has a murder rate of nearly zero. Sure that's a great statistic, but how safe can it really be? How many school shootings have there been? What about malls people should what about like major holidays? People get shot up at major holidays. Here this is the dream, shooting guns without the fear of getting shot. This is where America should be. All we need to do is keep ammos separate and have universal criminal and mental background checks, have extremely strict open carry laws, justification for ownership, send written request authorities, and basically just change our entire gun culture. We can do that, right, all right? So to help us go beyond the scenes. We have correspondent and stand up comedian and you know what, just an all around good damn guy, Michael Costa. That's nice. I was wondering what you were gonna say, but thank you, Roy. You know, we we go way back to our Los Angeles day, pre Daily Show. I don't have a lot of friends in that building that pre date my employment there, so it's always only a long time. And you've always been supportive of my comedy and I appreciate now here we are in the beyond the scenes bonus track going beyond the seat. Did you ever think when we were at In and Out Burger after bombing somewhere on mill Rose, no nothin that? Also joining us um our field producer Stacy Angelie, Stacy, how are you doing good? Thanks for having me and for that depressing intro about c D s oh, because you remember c DS as well. Now I want to also introduce our guests. He was one of our producers, kind of a slash fix it. Look, when we do international episodes and we travel abroad, we need somebody over there to make sure that the ship don't go south, and we need someone to make sure that we know what the hell we're doing while we're in the country, and they can also help us connect the dots because they have a deep and even deeper understanding of the issue because they're actually boots on the ground. Pierre Adrian early, Welcome to us from Switzerland, sir, how are you good? Thank you for having me. So let's just jump right into it. Costa, where what was the genesis of this of this piece? Besides you really wanting to go out of the country for free, that's well, you know, I would love to claim that this piece originated from the mind of Michael Costa, but as can happen at the Daily Show, I got to the office late, probably, and I saw an email that Stacy had pitched to the field department about how Switzerland owns more guns per capita than America and has so few, if any, mass shooting. So I read Stacy's email and was excited and hoped that I would be the correspondent that could do this piece, and it turned out to be true. But Stacy is really the one that I think fired the first shot, if you will. Yeah, a lot of fun, nicely done. Where did this come from, Stacy? Well, it was after the Parkland shooting and U, I mean, I'm from Texas also, where there's a lot of guns, so I have my opinion about guns where. And then I remembered, um, I wanted to do a piece because it just felt like it was getting worse and worse. And I loved the John Oliver Old Daily show piece in Australia. It was like a great example of you know, successful gun control legislation. But I was like, there's no way in hell America is going to get rid of all their guns. They're just that's just not gonna happen. So I started like googling countries that had a lot of guns, but you know, no mass shootings or very minimal you know, gun violence. You hear that listeners She didn't, God damn research. I googled, okay, well, yeah, that's still research. And then at the time the top three um places that had gun will that had guns was I forgot what number one was, Oh, it's America, and then number two was Yemen, and then three with Switzerland. And I was like, well, Yemen's in a civil war. And I did I too, wanted a free trip to another country if it got to prove so that's how it happens. But really, like if you would have picked, if you would have picked countries that didn't have a lot of gun violence, the easy answer would have been, yeah, but they don't have any guns. The beauty of this pitch and story is that Switzerland has a lot of guns and a lot of assault rifles. And that that surprised me too, because it's obviously a very depressing topic. But I was like, when you think of Switzerland, you think of like, you know, neutral, Sorry Pierre if I'm insulting, you know, but you think of like, you know, chocolate and and fun. You just you don't think of guns. And so I was like, maybe this is the best way to approach a dark topic by putting it in a in a vehicle that has like that is known for like you know, pure bliss. Welcome to Switzerland, a neutral country most known for its cobblestone streets perfect for skipping, it's clocks, sophisticated pocket knives, and guns. Even from a place of conflict, Switzerland is like it's it's almost like a euphemism for just I'm not in it. I'm not involved whatever you all arguing about over there. I'm over here. I'm Switzerland. Like that was always the perception, Pierre. Before we get into you know, kind of your role in you know, and helping to produce this piece and your thoughts on it. First, what is the perception of America in Switzerland when it comes to violence, just in general, I think it's, uh, it's it's the perception is that it's kind of the jungle law when it comes to uh gun ownership and how people can actually go to the supermarket and and buy a gun um and and that seems a little bit shocking from Europe, not only from Switzerland but from the European perspective, because there is so many of these what's so called common sense um rules that you have to provide background check and so on and so forth. So I think that's that's the main person option and maybe also misunderstanding of the culture of guns in the US is how the hell can you go in a supermarket and buy a gun and then do whatever you want. You can also buy groceries at that same supermarket, Pierre, And I don't appreciate you generalize. You don't see tomatoes getting regulated here? I mean it, it's crazy. I remember I told you I have a friend in Texas that has over thirty guns, like we counted them. He has over thirty, and I just think that's the most like that wouldn't happen in Switzerland. You know how easy it is to get a gun in the US. I just go to Walmart given the money. Gun. I know my uncle Paul out of his truck, he's got a bunch of guns. My brother Todd has a gun. You want to use it, borrow for the weekend. That's nice. Not really. In Switzerland. You can get a gun from your grandparents or from your father, but you still have to do the paperwork. Even if I get a gun for my grandpa, I still got to tell the cops about him. Yeah, that's crazy because in most states in America you can buy a gun almost immediately without any background check, but not in Switzerland. You apply the permit from the police, You provide clearance of your criminal record that you don't have any convictions, Wait for two weeks. What if it's a small crime. What if you got caught urinating in public, You got caught for sleeping with your cousin because you didn't know it was a cousin, because it was at your family reunion, and she looked like she worked at catering. What if it's like assaulting a police officer, but really you were just tickling them. You can't be responsible of following some other simple rules in society to behave Why should you have a gun? All right? So, so for the people who haven't seen the guns in Switzerland, piece, just walk us through some of the beats of it, because I know that Switzerland has these wild gun laws and everybody has a gun, but there are no shootings. What were you all exactly unpacking in the piece? Yeah, you know, there's there's compulsory military uh involvement, and when you turn eighteen in Switzerland, you are assigned assault rifle. And just as an American listened to that and just and and think about that. So wait, classes, so everybody, just your eighteen, here's your gun. Gun? I think that Pierre, is that right? Yeah, that's correct. Every man at eighteen years old gets get sent rolled in the army. It's a militia army. And basically, whether you're in the office or on the ground or in the air force, you you received this assault rifle two six five fifty uh. We call it fast ninety and it's a pretty badass gun actually, And so to meet and go to a culture that has so many weapons of war, We're not talking about a little tiny handgun. We're talking about assault rifles right, pretty much the same guns that are used in such the tragic events of in America. To go to a country that has that same passion but doesn't have the murder, doesn't have the tragedy, doesn't have the elementary School of Deaths was something that I was genuinely very interested in learning and hope that we can all learn from. So I think what's what's interesting to to say about the gun laws and culture in Switzerland is you basically you can carry your gun. And what's interesting also is that the army. Once you're done with the army, you can keep your gun for the rest of your life as a souvenir actually, but you cannot carry the AMMO with you. So your AMMO has to stay at the base. And so that's just so for you when when if if ship hits the fan, you have your gun, you go to the base and then you get the AMMO. That's in theory, but in practice we all have those guns under the bed without the AMMO and that Pierre. Um. You cannot buy MMO easily in a way that you go just to the shop and say hey, I want that that MMO and you have to register, they will ask for your name. The look if if you're basically low allowed to to buy ammunition. UM. So I think that's also interesting when it comes to a gun is nothing without the m O. And it's all about how do you separate the two things in a way that that yeah, you have guns everywhere, but you don't have MMO and guns everywhere. That's a big difference. Another interesting thing for me that I discovered in the piece is the entire the popular gun culture. Um. Because when you're in the army, you have to shoot once a year for training. That's compulsory, and so you have all these little clubs in the regions where you go and shoot, and um those clubs have developed into introducing shooting but sports shooting to young people, to teenagers and so on. So you go there and you actually see those twelve year old uh, teenager shooting, but there's no relationship to violence. It's all about precision. And the interesting thing is as soon as they can use a compressed air rifle. They'll do it because it's just it's just more precise. And so it just shows that it's it's all about the sports, the precision um rather than than the violence and and the relationship to violence. So that that I discovered during during during the segment and in the prep, and it was super interesting for me as well. I decided to embrace this culture and hang with the only group that would let me in. Wow. Yeah, you guys got air fifteens here, huh, meet the Shooting Society of Press. It was time to show these Swiss fon dues how Americans shoot guns. I missed you missed yet? Can you ever take your gun school? No? No, we don't. You're not American. Okay, well I can say that, but he can't Swiss kids up even if it is true, because the fact is, for Swiss kids, life with guns is very different happens. It's not like like in the US where you have those last shootings when he goes to school, he just has to worry about school. Yeah, catching the bath sometime. What's the distance that they shoot as a three D? Yeah? Okay, so we're in the Swiss country. Start keep talking. It's like it's like three football fields, so to speak. Away it's long thousands thousand feet. So we are in the Swiss countryside. I'm with these like twelve thirteen year old boys and girls and they are shooting assault rifles three hundred meters away at targets. Now there's cows just chilling close to the targets. Okay, real big Swiss cows with bells on. So I say, as a dumb thirty nine year old American, I go, hey, kids, you ever like take a couple of shots at the cows? And they looked at me like I was insane. They looked at me like, one, they never even thought of that too, that wouldn't be right. Three. You know, it's just like my dumb American culture was like, yo, what can you wipe out with this gun? And these kids were like, I'm trying to hit the target. I'm not even thinking about you know, you don't get a gun cut. That's why exactly. But that is the the epitome of this American mentality of fun or guns. And you know, there was a mass shooting in Switzerland in two thousand one and they immediately made a new regulation, and I think that was the separate mm O one is that it here, okay. So, and the reason I bring that up is regulations work. They are successful, and I just wish we no one's trying to take away America these guns. I wish we I put myself in this would do a much better job at regulating that. It's like the old Chris Rock joke. The least America could do it started charging like five dollars for a bullet. So if you shoot somebody, it's really you gotta really mean it. It's expective. You know. We sat down in the second part, we sat down at a shooting festival with the former Prime Minister of Switzerland and he said something that it was so simple but so powerful, and it was that here in Switzerland we respect guns and you can we can talk in and out hours and hours about these pieces. At the end of the day, that is what it comes down to. You give an eighteen year old male assault rifle and they have the respect to not use it against their fellow man. Costa as you're unpacking this, you know, because this is a two part piece, which isn't the norm on the Daily Show, so it's a lot to bite off. But this is also one of your first pieces. Dude, I'm just gonna be honest. When I first started here, I feel pressure every day. It was, oh my god, they're gonna fire me. Oh he looked at me funny. The first week I was at the Daily Show, two of the dogs barked at me. We have dogs in the office, and I was like, they're gonna fire me. The fucking dog take me. I think I'm not doing a good job. So was there a lot of pressure? Did you feel a lot of pressure rather well? And you know roy as as a stand up comic, like you're only as good as your last job, So there is always this feeling of I better deliver. This wasn't earlier piece of mind. It was international. I probably being knew, didn't realize kind of how big that was. Uh, the flight is more expensive at the hotel. This is also Switzerland, where chicken sandwich is like fifty three dollars. Uh. So I you know, I feel more pressure doing pieces that I am not so interested in. This was truly fascinating to me, and so I was genuinely interested. And I do think that that comes off in the piece as someone who I believe is pretty American and and for the most part understands our passion for guns. I'm not saying I agree with how we executed, but I understand maybe how we got here. Well, after the break, I want to talk with you a little bit more, Pierre, about the people of Switzerland, what it was like being on the ground helping to produce this piece. And I want to hear more about this fifty dollar chicken sandwich, because you know, I'm a connoisseur of chicken. That's that's a separate episode of the podcast. We'll be right back, Pierre. You do a lot of production work, and you are a person that is on the ground in Switzerland, you know, connecting the dots on a lot of different journalistic issues. What was it working in an international capacity? The thing that I'm always curious about is how our brand of humor will translate in another country. So let's just start with that. What did you think of Costa, What did you think of Stacy? What did you think of the piece? First of all, I think we had we had a lot of prep work with Stacy, and we worked very well together and prepping this this segment, and um, it was a lot of fun. Actually, we we were a really good group UM and UH traveling in a little van across the country and we have so much fun that um, it was really hard to handle. But overall, I think that we're working working with an American production, is it's fairly easy in a way that we share the same humor. I think sort of the same sense of humor. Would probably be more difficult with a Japanese or Chinese these UH production, which doesn't have the same humoristic standards at all. UM. And what was really interesting for me is I'm not a gun specialist at all, so I had to learn a lot and it was the opportunity for me really to dig into that culture of guns in Switzerland, and I was fascinating to really understand how opposite is it um from from the U. S. Gun culture. And we can say a little bit more about that later. Can I step into brag about Pierre for a second to because I didn't know where to begin, and I would just be like, you know, Pierre, I read this this, this is this true? Can like that kids start training at twelve at guns shooting schools after school and then the next day like we became like BFFs. We were like skyping all the time. The next day he actually went to a place scouted it, met the students, met and like gave me pictures and videos and was like you want their releases? They already said yes, And I was just like, can be hot? Can you move to America? Can we? He was just so great and on top of everything. And then I was like, who are people who think American gun culture is great? And he would have a list ready, so, um, I just wanted to brag about how great he was because and that's the thing that's very that I think goes understated about the Daily Show in our productions and how when you show up somewhere to try to film people to have a legitimate conversation. Yes there's going to be humor, but we're not out to make you look like an idiot. That's a very delicate conversation because the only the only scary thing to point is someone than a gun as a camera. So you're coming in with all of this equipment, like, hey, they're cool that it's pasta. I was gonna talk to you about this a little later, but since we're on it, what was it like? Just what you're a father? I assume your child is not a gun owner at what too? Now, yeah, my child is not a gun owner. I didn't have a kid then. Um. You know, now, if someone said you're going to Switzerland for a week ago, can I go for a month? You know, I haven't slept, you know, but look, there was a there's a very wonderful, comedic, poignant half a second shot um in this piece of a man or woman. I forget pushing a baby in a baby stroller and their assault rifle is underneath the baby in that little part of the stroller where the diaper back when the diaper bag goes. Uh. When I in the second part, when I walked into the shooting festival and I saw people holding a beer in a left hand and an assault rifle over their shoulder, I stopped and I said, what what am I doing here? Do I want to walk into this? Uh? The feeling of assault, rifle and violence are tied together, and I didn't feel super warm. Now it takes about two minutes for the Swiss to be nice to you and welcome you and say come on in here. And they called me a pussy because I was wearing a bulletproof vest. Uh. And I liked him immediately, but um, yeah, it was. It was jarring to learn more about their gun culture. I attended. I choose the world's largest annual shooting festival right here, and that's a lot of guns. Even that baby has a gun. There's not enough training in the world to prepare me for this. So I brought my two secret weapons, my translator Pierre, and my supermanly rock hard American vest. Why are you wearing a pussy West? What is what? Did he said? Yeah? Pussy vests. Ah, that's that's funny, pussy vest. Why aren't you wearing a pussy best? People are walking around with guns? What is that? What is that? Hope that they're shooting there? Now? I will also say this real quick about um pre production stay. He was telling me back in the office, there's this guy Pierre. He's really he's setting us up. He's really smart, and so we knew it was going to be a good piece. There's also been a piece. There was a fiser factory in Ireland and the locals were claiming that they would get extra strong erections because VIAGRAA was seeping into their drinking water. So we hired a fixer in Ireland to go check it out, and it was all bullshit. It wasn't a real story. So then we don't fly to Ireland, we don't spend the time and the money and the energy shooting that piece. But he really wanted to do that piece. I thought that piece was hilarious. But thankfully the person we hired in Ireland was like, this is all just a joke. But when you hire Pierre and you see, oh there is something here, it's that knowledge, is that local knowledge that makes you go, okay, we can do a piece. And and Pierre was like a fluffer because people were hesitant to have us, you know, they're like, who are these Americans? And they all have this view of us, and Pierre was also good with that. He was right, we had the same since here he knew American gun culture was like shitty, and he knew that was better. He knew he was better than us. But he also made it like acceptable for people to talk to us, because there's always that barrier, that wall, and he helped make us look you know, legit and acceptable. We would never have spoken to the Prime Minister of Switzerland if it weren't for Pierre, also because it wouldn't have known he was sitting there? How did that? How did that happen? Pierre? Because I know in America our politicians fade into the moment they're at the office. They're like, fuck you, I'm not sitting here answering more questions about the world. I quit my job. So how did you get the prime minister on board? So we were at this this um this kind of shooting. Party would say, it's called this countryside shooting. I've heard of a gun range. I've heard of a gun club, which is more exclusive. It's sort of an outdoor sketch. You do you believe you will exactly guns and beers. This was an American wet dream, but something was different in this country. Career respect arms, and if you respected, it's not the problem. Why should I listen to this drunk Swiss role? I was president for five years. You're telling me I'm having beer with the former president of Switzerland. Yes, nowhere else could a former president be surrounded by thousands of firearms with no security. How can we get America to feel this safe? That's problem? Well, that's as neutral as it gets. It's kind of this yearly event where every region in Switzerland organizes it's its own kind of shooting um events outdoors in the fields, and uh, it's sort of important for every region. And that Prime minister character was was there because it's it's his hometown or is her region basically, so he was there and probably has still some some activity in in you know, um associations and stuff, and it's important for him to be there, I guess, with a group of people and show up. So he was sitting there, and I was also a little bit impressed that we just came across him. Um, no bodyguard, nothing, Um, he was just sitting there and actually having a couple of beers with his friends. But do you remember Pierre I go, He goes, oh my god, there's the president of socially like what now and You're like, no, I said something like president of what. I was thinking he was president of the club, president of something else. He goes, no, president of our country and I go, what former former president for former president? Yeah? Like but I was just like, that's absurd because even former presidents of our country. I mean, granted, you know, America is a lot bigger than Switzerland, but it was just that's that's the thing. Also, you mentioned they see the The whole challenge of this piece, at least for me on as a producer, was to um make sure that we had access to all the clubs and the people and and because it's it still is a sensitive topic. I mean, gun culture everywhere, even in Switzerland is a very sensitive topic. And when you go into shooting range with cameras and Americans, the first thing they will think is, oh, they're gonna show basically show us shooting and and we don't control what they're gonna say about us and so on. So that that was a little bit of a challenge to take a lot of time in in prep to to to introduce the show to those people and make them sure that we're gonna be friendly and not making fun of them, but actually doing something good UM. And worked out a little bit the same when when we meet like the former president of Switzerland, UM, we have just to introduce ourselves in a certain way. So we make sure that that it works out. And that's the magic of producing. I guess it's the magic appire. Yeah, I guess what you're saying, Pierre, is that essentially setting up these segments UM in a country as an unknown foreign outlet, it's kind of like buying cocaine from someone you never met before, and you've got to earn the Yeah, we've never done that, but I guess so me neither. Of course, of course me neither. After the break, Pierre, I want to ask you and Acosta as well, what do you think Americans stand to learn from the gun culture in Switzerland. It's beyond the scenes. We'll be right back, Pierre. Now, first of all, I did some googling during the break, and apparently Switzerland has a president, not a prime minister. My apologies if I've disrespected the honor of your country by calling that dude to prime minister. Apologies accepted. What do you think Americans could learn from the Swiss on just gun safety and how do y'all not murder? Help us not murder? I think what costas said before, um, it's all about respect the gun. And why do this Swiss respect the guns? I think is ingrained in the culture. Um, Because when you receive a gun from the army, so basically from the States, when you're eighteen years old, this is quite impressive. It's probably the first time someone trusts you in your life with something so important, and in return you. You owe that respect, I guess, and there is an entire organization around I mean, even the idea alone that the military is who provides you the weapon is interesting and it sends a very clear message that this is a weapon of war. This isn't a hunting device, this isn't a recreational toy. I mean, I know this would be crazy in America, but if you want an assault rifle in America, that's fine. The United States military will present it to you. Uh, that might change things a little bit. But I think that's really interesting costa, because the big difference between the two cultures is in Switzerland, the States gives you that gun to protect the state, and I think in the US the individual buy is that gun to protect himself against the States. And that's the complete opposite. Yeah, And and look, we're different countries with right, with different histories, and uh, this country United States is founded on rebelling against the English and having um in in defending itself against the state. So it is different. And that's one thing that would be dumb if I didn't mention these are entirely different countries, entirely different histories. Um And I'm not saying America has to copy Switzerland, but there's things we can learn from there. That's fair. That's very fair. Now, was there anything I forgot to ask you all this earlier? Was there anything that didn't make it into the piece that you wish had? Because I know when you go shoot overseas, and I've been on shoots with Stacy, there's always so much to see and get that. Yeah, you guys are good sports. Um. We did have an interview and actually this is a good time to chat with Pierre's mediator because he didn't speak any English. His name was Jean Luke, and from my understanding, he loved American gun culture and wanted this Switzerland gun culture to be more like American more gun freedom. But we ended up cutting that. I don't remember why. I think it's because we already know that point of view, because he kind of had an American point of view. But Pierre can clarify that because again we didn't understand one thing you said. He's a he's a right like, right wing, point like far right wing politician and lobbist for for an more open gun culture than it is even um, and that what's interesting is we got to interview his opponent, so Lisa Matsona, who's actually in in in the in the segment, and um, and I think the arguments we all know them, right, Uh, they're pretty much the same, uh with with with this that you have in the US. It's self defense, it's freedom, it's this and that. UM. But overall, I think even the far right wing politician uh wants to have proper gun laws. It's not like, uh completely out in the wild. So Roy, you know, I don't know if you can relate to this, but uh, I got steamrolled that interview. I mean I came in wanting to hear his point of view so we so I could have something to respond to. Uh. But uh, like any well seasoned successful politician, this motherfucker did not stop talking. Okay, and I'm trying to get in there, but we're also waiting on Pierre, who is not a U N translator. Okay, he just happens to speak French, so he's trying to translate this guy who won't stop talking. He's then you know, Yeah, it was it was very hard. I think if I would love to go back into that interview again because I would literally put my hand over his mouth and say stopped talking for a second and let me so. So as a correspondent, I learned from that interview and I think that um more experience on the job would have been helpful, but that didn't make it also because he didn't shut the funk up. Yeah, he was actually super, super calculated, and he baby gave us. He made us wait for a long time, like he was prince or something, and then he made us. He gave us maybe like fifteen minutes, and his answers were so long, so by the time it came for Pierre to translate, it was like he knew he was eating up more time. But that was like, whatever, screw that guy not being in it. But I did want to give Costa a shout out for being a good sport because there were stunt things that were cut out that he really put his body through. Because we made Costa do a lot of stuff to show off switzerland stereotypes in the beginning, before we introduced the idea that they had a lot of guns. And so there was one part where it's like, you know, Switzerland known for cobblestone streets, chocolate fondue, whatever, and then like there there are many rivers and there's a river, what's it called Pierre, the Burn River. It's in the city of Burn, Okay. I wasn't too far off, but it's basically like a natural you know six Flags how they have the Lazy River that like that has a natural flow that you can just float in it. It's like a one that goes around the city. No urine, but it has like a really And so the joke was for Costa to flow through the frame and be like it's many rivers as he was centered, and then like float away. But the current ended up being super strong, so he would always be a little bit off camera when he like shouted or whatever. So he jumped in there like so many times and kept getting messed up and he's like ruh, and I was like, I'm sorry, you gotta do it again, and and people's spectators started gathering and like really rooting for Costa, and then he would just start like improvised to be like what the fuck helped me? Mom? Somebody called my mom? And he just kept missing the mark. I mean, he was a really really hard shot to do. And then at the end he finally nailed it and he had a crowd and they all cheered him on. Never made the never made the piece, and afterwards we all jumped into solidarity. And it was hard because you have to swim back against the current to redo the shot. And I think we also had goach chasing you. We had to be like running away from It was a cool moment at the end of a long day where the whole crew stripped down and we all jumped in the river burn together. It was fun, It was a cool It was a cool thing that don't get to do it too all. So, Pierre, I'll end with this question to you, since you are our foreign correspondent, which is more likely to happen Americans influencing Swiss gun culture or vice versa. Sadly, probably the first, because it's it's always easier to get a little bit um yeah, more populists than the other way around, especially when it comes to that that those very controversial things. But but I think there is only a certain amount of freedom you will get. I mean, our political system or laws are made in a way that you can't just have a situation like like like in the US um and I think sadly the other way around, you probably won't be able to have the exact same thing we have in Switzerland, because you're the culture. The root cause is so different, and so what we what we can't imagine is that um, in the US, we just get inspired by a few best practices. Uh so as to put it, put it, put yourself back in the right track when it comes to having less mass shootings, having less people dying in the streets for nothing, because it's just unacceptable. All right, Well, thank you all for kicking back and going beyond the scenes. But me, Stacy, I love you, Pierre when I get over to Switzerland to have um one of those fifty chicken sandwiches that we're now thinking about, trying to see what that not? Your only takeaway from this whole podcast is expensive sandwiches, which is actually not true. Shut up here. 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