Welcome back to Beyond. That's not the name of the show. What are we doing again? Welcome back? Like, what did we just do a segment? You know what, Let's just keep that, Let's keep rolling then, dammit, Welcome to Beyond the scene. I'm Roywood Jr. That's Daily Show correspondent Dasi Lighting and Senior Digital Expansion Emmy winning the nominated producer Matt. Just go ahead and edit the title as you reach me. We are talking this week about a beautiful, beautiful segment that our digital team. It started as a digital segment and eventually expanded to the actual linear broadcast. It's called Fox Plains. Now a little bit later in the show, we're gonna be joined by a senior media reporter, Olive A Darcy from CNN. But first, let's roll the clip. I've been watching Fox News for a hundred and fifty three hours straight, so I can give you the lowdown and what's already considered to be the most corrupt presidency in the history of the United States. If you thought Obama wearing that tan suit was disgraceful, and Jesus knows I did, where do you get a load of this? Let's take stock of Joe Biden's America. Dr Seuss Illegal, Dr Fauci promoted Dr Shuls so comfy. Dr Quinn medicine. Woman hasn't been on TV since nine? Is this the country we want to leave to our strange children to talk about what it means to Fox Plain DESI, Matt, Welcome to beyond the scenes. Matt. I'll start with you first, because I would say of everybody in our building, and I've I've tried to explain the way the Daily Show works to people as this beehive of people that all have different interests and responsibilities. You are the guy in the building that watches all the news, strrible thing. It's not even your department. It's not even your department, not even my job, but you watch it. Oh, you watch Fox, MSNBC, CNN. I'm pretty sure you watch Black News Channel. At this point, you watched Cheddar? Is that the one? N millennials web? Only a lot of Cheddar, a lot of Pluto TV, a lot of Christian Broadcast Network. If they're the packs is there? Yeah, we got packs. Also, there's a there's a really nice New Mexico correspondent. I dig so I kinda I got a little hook of the I T guy gave me a VPN that can watch New Mexico local news whenever I need to. Yeah, all that stuff straight into my eye. Pols. That is true. He watches more than anybody at the show, hands down. So where did this idea come from? Matt uh in any way suggesting indicial idea? No, the um. We started doing these Fox Plains things with Michael Costa, another correspondent, and then one day he was on a collible and we were like, oh, DESI can do it, and DESI has done it ever since. It's like the alternate who was just like waiting for my chance to get it. I was just sitting on the bench waiting for someone to get sick or under perform or like have another gig. Tom tom Brady is Tom Brady because Drew Blitze got hurt during the game, so you never forget Tom Brady. Okay, I don't know how much this metaphor is gonna hold up. Guys. I am nodding like I know what you're talking about, but I am not a sports person. Our our producer who runs Ramin, who runs the expansion department says that Desi taking over from Fox Plains was the best scheduling conflict of all time. So I think it did. I agree it worked out great. The idea of it, if that's what uh you were actually asking, was that we felt that like Fox was getting crazier and crazier, um, like, not only just in the election, but also after the election, Like come on, this stuff about it wasn't It was beyond hydroxy chlora queen. It was beyond like covid is fake. It was like going into the craziest, darkest places. I remember there was one day when during the election they were talking Fox News was talking about Joe Biden and Ukraine and uh, like the Bisma thing, and they were like, what about John Carey's nephew? What about Whitey Bulger's cousin? And I was like, is this real or not? And so we we've made a list of um things like that that were like Malia Obama's Spotify playlist, like things like that that would make no sense at all, Eric Holder's Venmo account, whatever, And we were like, oh, this we should just put this in a list and and have someone just be like, this is the problem. What about Bill Clinton's g chat history, Chelsea Clinton's ipa Acorn Diamonds. They're all in on it, Biden Clinton, the Steel Dossier Australia of course, what about Eric Holder's Hulu password, Malia Obama's Venmo history, Oh hey, jay Z visitor logs, fake birds. And then that generally expanded to larger sentence is And then when we did this with Desi, it was like, we're just gonna pretend he has been watching Fox News for six days straight and is now explaining to you what is on Fox. Because let's be honest, our audience is not watching Fox for good reason, the number one reasons, like they care about their mental health and it will probably destroy you if you do it. DESI, who is this character that you play? Because and I think that's the thing that well, I have two questions. But first to you, who is this character that you're presenting. Who is this news viewer that you believe watches Fox for six six days straight? Well, I kind of, I guess I look at it like it's my own correspondent character, having been subjected to a deeply unhealthy amount of Fox News binge watching. Basically, I we we started it somewhere around like I've been been binge watching Fox News for seventy two hours and then I think it became seven days straight with no bathroom breaks and has like escalated it ever since. And I you know, I love that because when I first audition for the Daily Show. I know we've treated stories on our audition pieces before, but my original you know, you write a piece and you uh perform that piece for the audition, and the piece that I wrote at the time, and this was back in two thousand fifteen, was a version of like a hybrid of Megan Kelly and Gretchen Carlson and all of the Fox News blondes that I'm watching at the time. Right, Yeah, I know that did not age. Well, it's Dasi Dasilk. Okay can expands on that. Uh, well, I'm a Stanford graduate, i have multiple degrees, I speak nine different languages, one fourteen different beauty pageants. I'm a proficient puppeteer as Celiac survivor. I meant to expand on your view. Oh no, now it's self evident. At that time, I kind of was like, I thought that that was going to be my lane. And then very quickly after we started in and Trump came to the front of all of this, and then he became the nominee and then the president. It we really quickly realized like, oh, well, there's a bigger beast here in the picture, and we have other things to be talking about. So I'm grateful that I wasn't necessarily cornered into that specific character. But ever since then, we were kind of looking for a way to embody the madness in the mania without completely betraying our correspondent characters. And this felt like a really cool container to put that in because it is a feeling, right when you watch Fox News. Oh it's a feeling, all right, it's one very specific feeling. Yeah. I like the segment because it's it's kind of dazzy to me, Matt seems like what would happen if you followed every brick chrome and you said yes to every possible thing you ever suggested or presented, and you somehow start connecting all of these nonsensical dots. Like in a way, it's the it's the Randy Quaid character and Independence Day, who's trying to explain the alien that comment, Like, considering that it's a digital segment, and I think this is the part that's really cool about it. Because when we were in unprecedented times and the uncertain times. Yes, back when the Daily Show first was wading into those unprecedented times, we were doing you know, we already do a lot of digital content on the show. But talk to me a little bit, Matt about like what are the different creative freedoms that you have, because in digital we don't have the constraints of time, nor do we necessarily have to follow a narrative that ties into something that Trevor is talking about on that particular night. And also the way that and it this makes me a little bit sad because I think Quarantine has taken working for Home, I should say, has taken a lot of the um energy out of that feeling of like I need to run down to like DESI and Roy's office and be like, can we do something real quick on this on like my phone right now? Okay. So then to that point, Matt, you're running all over the building, but then you can't because COVID forty three is finally here. How did that change how you all produce these types of segments? At first, I think when we were all kind of like we gotta do stuff from home, A lot of people were like, oh, this is gonna be weird, and Fox Plans is one of the things where we were like, this is actually perfect because part of like part of being on this expansion team kind of like a digital team with a little bit more um is that we are able to do things in a truly different way. That is, I it sounds so corporate to be like digital first, but like at the time, TikTok was getting really popular and we were seeing like a lot of things on Instagram and even on Twitter that we're like people holding up their phones and just kind of recording themselves and being like I got to get this off my t st So for me that was like really for our whole team, it was like, let's let's do that sort of stuff. And Fox Planes became Desi has to grab her phone and start talking immediately about what she just heard Janine Pierro say to Sean Hannity because this is out of this world. I remember there was one night I think it was before UM as you might remember this. I think it was before a debate, and it was this like there was this conspiracy theory about how Joe Biden had an earpiece getting transmitted. There was like a, this was a Fox News this conspiracy. Yes, fed the answers, because everyone knows that's exactly what that's what you need to get the edge in a presidential debate. And like Sean Hannity or someone someone was like pushing this on Fox News. The Trump campaign was pushing it. Brett Bear was even like, yeah, that's a really interesting thing. And so like I remember I grabbed my phone and I filmed myself doing like Fox planes like proof of concept, and I was like this is like is anyone talking about the earpiece? And I I remember getting down on it on my knee and I was like, it's coming from Colin Kaepernick kneeling raising his fist to transmit the signal, and then like sent that over to Desi, and like Desi just like did it and like did her own thing and like sent that back and like we probably did it in an hour, which was like awesome for we don't need you know, we did We didn't need to be in the studio, we didn't need to have all this like preparation that went into it. Was just like this is like happening right now. Let's get it out before the debate. And we did Joe Biden is wearing an earpiece. How can you tell? Because one ear is bigger than the other. The earpiece is making it bigger. That's why he wears the mask to cover it up. Where's the earpiece getting the transmission from Colin Kaepernick. He's on his knee with his fist stop to transmit the signal to me. That was kind of the benefit of working from home and embracing that sort of um phone culture which has like just shoved all of this, like people screaming and yelling into our faces, and stead of returning to a more civilized discourse, we were like, let's make it louder and embrace it. Yeah. I think it's one of those segments, like Roy, We've had to adapt to shooting from home, and so many of the pieces you feel like, oh, I'm missing something because I'm not out in the world, or we don't have a professional cinematographer to get dynamic shots, and you feel like you kind of miss a little something. But this one, in particular, almost feels like the messiness of the camera work and getting a little too close sometimes and getting all hopped up actually works to feed the emotion of it because it's like I had to get this off my chest. I don't have enough time to get into a professional studio and share this. I've got to grab my phone right now. So do you remember there was one we were doing. I don't remember which one it was, but like you got really into the like getting close to the camera, and you were like, should do one that's closer? Should one that's closer? Like it basically got you, like your lips are like right up on the camera and you were like how many coomos are there or whatever like something. So but it's like all you can see is her face. It's like, yeah, no, I've watched like internet videos of people and like that's kind of what it is. So yeah, yeah, my our poor viewers have have gotten way too close into my mouth. They probably no more information than my own dentist about the health of my teeth. I apologize for that. Who was the one that said Major League MLB is just black? Yeah? Eric? So like, yeah, we did have Fox Planes with Dasi where she said this is when Major League Baseball took the All Star Game away from Georgia because of their voter suppression law, and dasise line was if you think about it, m LB is just BLM backwards. I know three things. One conservatives are pro business, to conservatives are pro freedom of speech. And three conservatives need to destroy these businesses for opening their mounts. You thought Major Biden was back to this country. Major League Baseball move the All Star Game out of Atlanta. MLB is just BLM backwards. And like a week later, we were watching Eric Bowling, who technically is a Fox emeritus. Okay for the fact checkers out there, for the Daniel Dale's out there, Uh, for the Glenn Kessler's out there, but he did used to work at Fox and now he's like at news Max. So he he said, when you think about it, and they'll be is really BLM backwards M They'll be his backwards for b l M. And we were like, did we do this or so? Or are we so in the mind of these psychos that they made the connection that we thought was dumb, And they were like, this is genius. Do you is there a joke that you think is too ridiculous now, Daisy where you look at it and you just go, no, that that's that's a good one. Like that was one of them. At the time. I was like, oh, this is insane and then come to find out he said it, so yeah, I guess not. I mean I think that's like, that's what I love so much about a segment. Is it really is about embodying a feeling of just like woman on the verge, uh, running on pure adrenaline, conspiracy theory and like, uh, you know it's maybe a little bit of hyper mectin. Uh. And then yeah, and then and then sprinkling in those little personal anecdotes like I've been kicked out of Whole Foods more times than any black person that I know, or like, uh, you know, my husband's left me, or my children won't talk to me. How can America be racist if it was the liberals who fired a hardworking black woman from her job as a serrup bottle. This is the country of African American legends, Martin Luther King Jr. Rosa Parks Mapplemore. If our country is racist, have you explained that I have been kicked out of Whole Foods more than any black person ever has? I feel like we did work in a narrative that was like slowly every episode another member of Desease family leaves. It's very clear this is when it's driven her whole family. Yeah, she's got problems, do you. And here's the thing that I think a lot of the correspondent to deal with from time to time on the show is the real world interactions with people after you've done a particular piece, like I've done CP time enough to where older black women will come thank you David for dining this history. Yeah, people, A lot of people didn't know about that black person hidden history. Do you get more I'm trying to think of a polite way. Is it Daily show fans who get it? Or do you run into more Fox fans who don't and think you're on the team, so to speak? I will I will say with I will say with this one in particular, it's it's hard to tell because this came about during the pandemic. So I have not left my house because the show keeps making me bene watch Fox News, um, and we've been locked on lockdown. No. But I think that this is this is one that most of the feedback has been people who like, have watched enough Fox News to know that it's not for them, and they appreciate that we captured something that it feels like Fox sort of runs on. And I will also say that I have family members that are avid Fox News watchers and it's the one segment that they have not brought up to me. Um so probably a reason they were like, she's getting too close to the secret. We can we can't engage with that. That is, we need to we need to do a separate, beyond the scenes of just correspondence interactions with their family members. Yeah, yeah, just a family reunions. It would be great if the people in your family who do watch Fox end up talking you, like at Thanksgiving or whatever, and they're like, by the way, have you heard that MLB is just BLM backwards And you're like, I did that. After the break, we're gonna get a much more qualified journalists in here. We're gonna speak with Oliver Darcy from CNN. This is beyond the scenes. I'm excited not to bring on a guest who actually does this in a more professional capacity. No disrespect to you, DESI whatsoever. Oliver Darcy h he covers politics. He is a senior media reporter for CNN, and the program that he does now you know reliable sources where they really take a deeper look into what's going on with a lot of the same channels that Matt that you and DESI watch for research. U Oliver, welcome to be on the scenes. Thank you. Now you regularly as a professional journalist? Can I call you that? I know a lot of people try to dodge that title now that you're not scared. You're not scared to be any proud and open journalists and these challenging times and open journalists okay, you all cover a lot of the misinformation and conspiracy theories that bounce around out there. Um, when did that turn? Well, you know what, let's let's let's go back in history with you first, when you used to work with Glenn Beck over at the Blaze where you kind of swim in those waters professionally, and then eventually you got over to CNN, and then you are now the guy who takes a look back at that same environment. How did you make that too? When did you decide to make the transition? What was it exactly that was happening in the world with you? Personally? I think I started off there. You know, I was always conservative growing up and and so when I was out of college, you know, working for Glenn Beck's conservative news site was sort of a was a cool thing, and I was sold the promise that they're gonna do uh conservative news, but like do good conservative news. You know, like there are a lot of strong liberal websites out there, and you know, Huffing in the Post was a good example of this, but they do solid news. Unfortunately, I think a few years into that, I realized maybe that's not exactly what what they really wanted to do, and so I made a jump over to a business insider now m at CNN. But it has given me an interesting perspective because I am very familiar with a lot of the key players in the conservative news media. I know a lot of them still, I talked to them, and it's allowed me, I think, to really succeed on this beat. When you see something like you know, Daisy of course is playing a character, but when you see people in the real world out there, you know, I won't say quite tinfoil hat with it with their beliefs, but when you see people you know, basically going you had the vaccine and lizard people and you know, Hillary's emails and Joe Biden's son sold me crack last night. Like when you when you see that type of stuff. What does it make you feel with guards to what conservative media has become. Well, desise segments are very funny until you realize that there are so many people who actually have those views and have have been told these things and believe them. And so I think it's you know, it's incredibly alarming, and I don't I don't know, uh, how we actually solve this problem, because there are these incentives from whether it's Facebook or social media or just you know, Fox News or talk radio or whatever it is, there are these incentives to put these things out there, to mislead other people, to give them what they want the field good content, the red meat that that really fires up the base. And I'm not really sure how we get out of it. So when I see people on on television, you know, I was watching Jordan Clapper, for instance, went to that New York City, uh anti vaccine rally recently. It's funny, I said, no, no, thank you, he's funny, But like, it is incredibly disturbing because is these people have been sold a Billa Gibbs from from these dishonest actors who you know, in many cases might not even believe this stuff that they're actually selling. You know, we know, for instance, that in the Fox control room as they're producing these anti masks segments. Now they're all wearing masks right the New York Post as they put out these anti mask things and say you guys should repeal your mask mandates. They're required to wear masks at the office. And so when you know these things, it is frustrating as hell. However, you can probably even connect A to B on some of these things because on Fox they talk about like, do we really think the vaccine is safe? It might give you fertility problems six months down the road, who knows, And then the people in the Clipper segment are saying the exact same things, so you know where they're getting this, and it's there's no longer this like hypothetical that's like is it bad that Fox is doing this or is it just kind of fun? It's like, no, it's actually horrible. These people are absorbing it and repeating it out immediately from your perspective, that must be like, yeah, this is the most obvious thing to see. It's actually really frustrating to when we talk about like misinformation or people with vaccine hesidency, every story almost that talks about vaccine hesitancy should mention Fox News, right Like, It's like a very clear thing that's going on. It's not rocket science to make these connections. But like, there are so many people who who just don't want to I guess maybe they viewed Fox as a COMPETI I don't know what it is, but they just don't want to go there. And you don't hear that. And actually Facebook, you know, they get a lot of uh, you know, they get a lot of blowback, and they should get a lot of criticism. But you can at least make the argument that Facebook is doing something to kind of clean up their their platform, whereas Fox is like intentionally profiting off of anti vaccine rhetoric, right like, they are doing some really really terrible things to society and uh, and they actually end up getting a pass a lot of the time. It's it's really strange. I agree to you about that, Yeah, DESI when we when when Oliver is talking about you know, like the people that Clipper are talking to who are obviously drinking the kool eight that's being served up at these right wing spots, is there a smidge of sympathy for people who have bought this horse the people that you parity. Is there any sympathy in that or is it just this is what they believe and we just got to get the jokes. No, I think I have a lot of of empathy for people who are getting all of their information from this one source that is peddling lies and untruths and and and people believe everything that they say. And in my opinion, one of the scariest things about Fox News is that they have a way of making you feel like it is the only reliable source of information and you cannot trust anywhere else. And that's that's scary. I mean, Oliver, you can speak to this better. But like that CNN does it to see ann They even hired James Earl Jones to make it like it's your father. I'll beat your ass if I get you listening to another network. It's always a Every news network is a deep voice. Guy, Oliver, where do you think this politically? I'll tell you where I think, and you tell me if from right or wrong? The politicalization of the news and like this debate culture to me and neighboring. I know you watched this show too. I think it all goes back to debate culture on ESPN like mid to late nineties where I felt like, if I'm not mistaken, I feel like sports kind of and there was there was a crossfire and Tucker Carlson and whatnot, but James Carvill. But I really feel like this this era where an opinion is ratings, but somewhere along the way we either viewer mistake opinions for facts and research. Well, I think you need to separate, for one, opinions with propaganda, right, Like we know, Like I think I think it's fine if Fox wants to have the conservative, you know, a person who's you know, giving their their opinion on the news and it's based in fact. I think that's that's totally fine. That's that's part of the healthy political system. You know, you're the conservative, maybe here the liberal. You hear someone else and you make up your mind. The issue here is that they're not doing that right. They're just inventing things out of thin air that that support their guy. Like it's it's a sustained propaganda effort on behalf of these people to keep them watching this channel. And so I think that that's the issue. They're they're not playing by any facts or any rules. They're just out there and it's really, you know, a truth versus fiction sort of thing. So I think maybe the cable news culture may have been born out of ESPN, and you know, cable news is around long before you know, I started covering it. But the new phenomenon where Fox is just totally detached from reality, I think I'm not really sure where that comes from. Maybe Matt has some ideas, but it's new. That's that's new within the last I think, even uh, five years. Yeah, I definitely think the complete false propaganda stuff came right at the end of the second half of the Trump campaign, basically after he got the nomination, and then it became like, oh, none of these allegations about him that sexually assaulting women are true. Obviously that's not true. This man is perfect. And once you cross that line, it's like cool, everything is is, everything that's true is now false. It's surreal to see it like become I know that I can turn on Fox at any point between seven and ten PM and I won't hear something true. And that's absolutely crazy because even six years ago you could turn it on and hear something that was like bad, but you weren't guaranteed to get something that wasn't true. I on the cable news culture thing. I know, this is like you know this is part of your your home too, but like there's a lot of this amen. I think what Roy was talking about with like going back and forth, like a sport show. You know, NBC has Meet the Press, they have these panels. That's like Rich Lowry is on there, like that's not great. ABC has Sarah is gouring Chris Christie. That's not great. Um, Like CNN hired Kayleie mcinahaney. Though, Like these people were were not good people, but they were allowed, they were getting paid to essentially say things that were not true. And I'm not I don't want to put I'm not putting on the spot by saying it was bad that we did that. I'm just pointing out there is a problem with, as you said, not separating opinion versus propaganda. It's totally fine to have someone a conservative on a news channel and be like, I actually think we should privatize blank, and then the liberal says, actually, it's more efficient if we run it like this and let the viewer decide that does not exist. There is no channel that does that accurately right now, because the Republican Party has moved all the way into misinformation and propaganda. So all of those people who are bad actors are now when they're presented as people who just have opinion, that's misleading and they should be labeled as completely false. None of this is true. Why are they okay first place? So then to then to that point, Matt and Daisy, you can chime in here if you like as well. If the Republican Party has decided to to entrench themselves and a lot of lies for the sake of popularity and staying connected to the base or in Fox News, is case to keep the ratings going, you gotta sell with the people. You gotta show people what they're buying and they want right now. They won't lie, so you show them lies. The other side of that coin, though, is as a news organization, if you're ABC or NBC or CNN, do you just not have anyone on from that side of the line If most of the popular people that are going to be bringing ratings are also bringing lies, is it I can't believe I'm saying this. Is it fair and balance? Like ten lawyers running into your House to ser is it fair and fair and morally equitable? Has Is it fair and balanced to do that? Or do you just have on the Republicans who are still more centrist for the sake of having a balanced newscast, knowing that it won't get you the same ratings and then you show can get canceled. Geez that to me, who wants to take No. I'm just asking Matt because I know that I know the issue is they're putting liars on and I agree with you. So then do you just not have anyone from that side represented within a debate? Or do you get Republicans that don't move the needle that make the show less electric, which is you have them on and call them mountain fact check them. Yeah, this is the right I think in general though, like Matt probably might disagree with this, But I think in general, though we've we've seen people move away from having the Kaylee mcininnies of the world on cable news, like you generally do not see that sort of thing. Um. I do think it is uh a thing that newsrooms discussed though, because you don't want to shut off, you know, like like you're saying, you just don't want to shut off what uh someone who you know percent of the country uh may think represents their views. And I think there is actually something somewhat valuable when you have someone like that on and you see their narrative just totally fall apart under you know, some like persistent questioning from like Jake Tapper, right like when when he's doing an interview and their narrative just falls apart, Like that's that's very valuable, And I think to just demonstate an President Trump told Bob would were the first week of February that he knew the coronavirus could be spread through the air and that it was more deadly than the flu. But two weeks later he said it a rally that coronavirus was the Democrats new hoax. Is that acceptable to you? Is that misleading the public? You're talking about the Woodward book. Yes, the Ward bok um Oh I can do is share with you my point of view, Pamela, These these got your books don't really interest me that much. He's on the record, he's on the word. These these got your books don't really interest me that much. The bottom line is he told Bob Woodward privately that this was a deadly virus and that it was airborne. Didn't the public? Didn't the citizens in your home state of Louisiana deserved to know that as well, so that they could change their behavior appropriately to protect themselves. Well. Number one, Pamela, I'm not gonna repeat what I just said, but all I can tell you is what my personal experience has been. Number two, let me say a word about about this infatuation in Washington with who said what to whom? I learned pretty quick. Senator, I'm sorry, I'm not going to let you do this. Okay, this is I understand there's so much politics right now, we're two months away from an election, but this is life and death. I think that's the proper way to do these things is not to maybe, you know, just allow them to come on and just share a point of view necessarily that's factually inaccurate or not tethered to reality, but to actually challenge them. I do think that we've seen you know, and I don't like making general remarks or white sweeping remarks, but I do think generally the news media has moved away from having you know, the Cayleys on, and if they are going to have them on really putting them, you know, putting what they're saying under the microscope. It's interesting two days ago or yeah, two days ago, Nikki Hayley was on face the nation didn't get like any pushback about anything she was saying about Afghanistan, even though it was a lot of it wasn't bad faith. But I do I do see your point. I think there are no longer Kyley mcanetis getting paid by h like cable news networks. I think that's true. The point about pushing back is like so important because how many people can actually do that? Like in reality. I'll give you Jake Tapper, Pamela Brown, I'll give you Jonathan Swan, I'll give you. I think Maddy Hassan is really good. Um, I mean, are there that many people who are Terry Moran had a good interview with um Paris Denard on ABC where Paris would Paris to Ards, a Trump supporter would not say that Trump lost the election, and Terry for four minutes was like, just say it, just say he just say Joe Biden one, and Terry Man was like, Joe Biden is the broy you we did a video about this. You remember this, right, Yeah, it's that Trump. Yes, Joe Biden legitimately one election, and yet a strange phenomena has arisen from the mist. Republican mouths are unable to formulate these words. Watch this is it a legitimate election under our constitution? And lass yes or no, Joe Biden is the president. The election was not stolen? Correct, Look, Joe Biden's the president. Republicans seem to know that Joe Biden is the president, but not how that happened. Do they think a story delivered Joe Biden to the White House? Do they think he tunneled into the White House like some sort of reverse shall shap Do Republicans believe in an immaculate inauguration? And so? Like what those that's good questioning those people should be commended and just held up as examples of how to interview these people. But the reality is that like most people can't do that, or they choose not to do that. And I think the difference between the debate of should you have these people on versus leaving them off comes down to are you gonna have them on with people who know how to treat them? And I don't think there's more than like six people who can actually do that. So that's creates this whole of of um bad bad interviews. On the other side of the break, I want to get into that a little bit more with you, Oliver and Daisi. Oliver, I need you to help me and Desi on how we can stop misinformation. First, what can news media outlets do to stop the spread of misinformation? But more importantly, how can we stop the spread of misinformation at the Thanksgiving table. We're going to solve all of that. We'll do that in a minute. Beyond the City. We've been talking about the Fox Plain segments that Daisi does that shows the enhanced effects of watching way too much cable news misinformation. Now we were talking about this a little bit. By the way, when you're say enhanced, it's like very enhanced interrogation techniques, like it is torture to watch Fox News. It legitimately is zero dot thirty going on, Will we talk about the misinformation? You know, Oliver, before the break, Nigran was talking about, you know, you need we're porters. They're going to give that pushback. Is that the only thing that can help stop this misinformation? I mean, there are a lot of things that can help stop this misinformation. I I think it really comes down to large companies enabling this um and so it's difficult to tackle because there's not just one like avenue that misinformation is spreading on. So you have a talk radio avenue, which is it's it's totally undercover. There are so many people to listen to talk radio for hours and hours a day, and you have hosts that most people haven't heard of who are are spreading lies across the country and they're supported by companies like Premiere Radio Networks. And we just never talked about Premiere Radio Networks and how they allow for this spread of misinformation and conspiracy theories and they profit off of it. So there's there's that avenue, then there's Fox News that avenue. Then there's you know, even companies. I I asked companies at the beginning of the year, like Comcast, like a T and T my employer, technically, uh, you know, uh, like Dish, why do you carry channels like oh, and you know, why do you carry channels that spread vaccine conspiracy theories? Election conspiracy theories? And so you have those chance those guys, you know, to some extent, responsible for beaming these channels into the homes of millions of people across the country. Uh. And then you obviously have social media platforms which incentivize people to spread these lives by giving them you know, if the more UH read me throughout there, the more engagement you get, and and the more your profile builds. Right, And so there are so many different issues here when we talk about the spread of this stuff, Um, there are a lot of directions to go and and and that that that really actually makes me extremely pessimistic and in terms of solving this, because I saw I saw a tweet from UM Jason and Bruzzi, who's another media reporter at NBC. His tweet was like, Uh, it's almost impossible to talk to someone who doesn't have a family member who has been affected by misinformation at this point. And I think that over the past like six months, that has become clear to so many people that there is someone out there in your family or in other people's families, Like in a way that is more extreme than ever because of what Oliver was just saying, Talk radio is like this thing that most of us don't even think is real because we don't drive in New York and so and we're not Republicans, so we don't have that on It hits millions of people, and it's way worse than what's on Fox. It's completely unchecked and there's no accountability. When I used to do road trips as a stand up comedian, and how they do like like a midnight to five am drive back to Birmingham. That ship is the Wild West radio like alien shows, their psychic shows, and then there's politics somehow woven into all of that. Das, how do we connect with the family members that are means that are kind of buying into this stuff? What's your move? I it's I don't have the answer for that. I wish I did. Um. I find myself in conversations that I wish I didn't start, and I find myself having like a really enlightening conversation sometimes with family members who have a different set of beliefs. Um. Fortunately, most of my family members who are Republican and have watched Fox News or do watch Fox News are of the belief that that the vaccine works and COVID is real and they're taking it seriously. So thank God for that. But like, yeah, I I try to lead with under trying to have an understanding of where they're coming from, and it's it's really hard to get on the same page with someone who just believes the information that they're being told and they're only trusting one source. If you if you're only getting your information from one source and everyone else is getting their information from somewhere else, you can't You're you're dealing with a different set of facts. So until you can acknowledge that there's not much growth, that's an issue too, because like, if we're having a debate, right, we can agree that the New York Times is probably an authoritative outlet that um, you know, establishes basic facts. The issue is that if we're having a debate with someone who watches Fox and listen to talk radio, none of the authoritative outlets are going to have any sway with them. In fact, if the if CNN reports something, they will probably be conditioned to think, well, that's it's the opposite is true, And that's the issue. And this is actually where it would be helpful if there was a trusted conservative news organization right that these people would understand and or at least listen to. But sadly there really isn't these days that if the ones that were responsible ben hollowed out and they're just you know, because of economics of it and see, and that's the other part of it when we get into the corporate capitalistic part of media, is that oh a n has to one up Fox News if they're gonna get there. But they like they not only are the Democrats lizards, but they're venomous lizards, like they have to. Well here at Fox we don't say they have venom in their lizard tongues. Okay, we will all not go that far. Shut up, Sean Hannity, your stupid their venomous lizard bitten by Jen Saki. You will die in six to nine days from the venom that comes out of her teeth. There is no profitability and sensibility and media right now, at least not from the right. And I think that's probably one of the biggest issues, Oliver. Have you as much as you are willing to share, what are your interactions like with your family from then to now in terms of your affiliations with media, the types of stories that you cover. Do you get family members that are like, are you the one pulling family members to the side or you are you the one that gets pulled to the side. You know. Actually, my family is not very political, so I actually, you know, they just think it's cool that they have someone who's on CNN or wherever it was, you know, so so that that that that's the good news. But I do know a lot of people who who have been sucked into this you know, alternate universe, and it's I mean, it's really difficult to have conversations about politics, and even now you know, it's it's it's expanding beyond politics because this is really a lifestyle choice, and so it can be extremely difficult to uh just see eye to eye on basic things at this point. And I wish there was a solution. I wish there was an antidote or a vaccine for this stuff, but um, they probably wouldn't take it anywhere, wouldn't. I don't know, I don't know what the answers are. I feel like I'm always the most pessimistic person in the room because I think this stuff is is really destroying American society. And I watched it every day. Matt watches every day? Does he watches it every day? I don't know if you watch it every day, but don't I have a child. I watch, Well, it's when you watch it every day and you know that these people are peddling, you know, total bullshit like it is. It is very very aggravating, Like I mean, and there's only so many media reporters out there like that, Like quite frankly, we cover Washington, d C. And we hold those people to account a lot more than we hold the Fox News is and the Rupper Murdocks to account. And I think that I've been saying that needs to change, like that, that is that just outdated. The Ruper Burdock has so much more power than some random congressman like Marjorie Taylor Green, Like we need to be focusing refocusing a lot of the scrutiny onto the people who are actually controlling the dialogue and incentivizing the Marjor Taylor Greens, versus just focusing on on the surface issues. We have a clip of Fox News personalities saying some horrible things about UM refugees just in the past few days UM that I feel like it's very similar to how like Oliver's is triving, Like watching this stuff is like so enraging. Isn't really our responsibility to welcome thousands of potentially unvetted refugees from Afghanistan. It is extraordinarily expensive to resettle a refugee in the United States. Resettling in America is not about solving a humanitarian crisis. It's about accomplishing an ideological objective to change America. If history is any god, and it's always a guide, we will see many refugees from Afghanistan resettle in our country and coming months, probably in your neighborhood, and over the next decade that number may swell to the millions. So first we invade, and then we're invaded. It is always the same. I feel like that's such a perfect example of like white supremacy on Fox News that we do watch every day, and like it's it's hard to just watch it and be like got it, Okay, we are invade it. Got it? Why is the responsibly got it? Like when you watch it, you're like, ah, there are so many people who believe this. This is so like I have to take breaks watching that stuff and it's not it's like it's truly not enjoyable to do. And it's a couple of clips just then just make me scared of the refugees. How much does it cost if you were to watch, like if you took a normal person, right, and someone who's smart and and act, like if you were to force them like DESI, you know, theoretically does to just only watch this stuff and to only consume this kind of content, like it is very likely that they will start believing this stuff, Like it's not it's it's very likely. Like and they can be a smart person outside of of you know, politics, They may be like an engineer, for instance, really good math, but but when they're consuming this this political stuff, like you can see how you can see how the math works there, um, and that because they sound so sure of themselves, like especially the way that Tucker is like if history is any i'd and it always is. And it's like, well that's kind of that's true, right, that's that's always favorite thing to do too, and just to say something and it is and I write about this, yes, of course. They also like are putting all of this, like all of this false patriotism around it and like the worst way, which obviously since nine eleven has been like kind of like slowly throwing more flags in the background and everywhere. But it makes you think, like if you disagree with this, You're like kind of un American. And that gets the people at Olivers talking about these like people who maybe don't watch a lot of news all the time. If they watch that, they're like, why would they be saying that if they were not patriotic, Like that's the That's how you get those people in the middle or people just who aren't super aware. What people maybe don't realize is that, like the Fox News primetime lineup now is so much more extreme than it was like ten years ago. Like you know, outside of what you think about Bill O'Reilly, like he was like not Tucker Carlson, Like Tucker Carlson is like mainlining you know, talking points basically from info Wars, Like this stuff used to be relegated to really far weird corners of the internet, and now it's being sent to millions of Americans nightly on Fox. And I just think people don't maybe understand that, like the Fox News we're talking about now is so much different than the Fox News from ten years ago. What makes it so addictive for people? Because I know people who will plan their entire day around Fox News programming. Why why do people get sucked in in the way that they do unlike other news platforms. Yeah, I mean, I like Dunn Lemon, but I'm not like, hey, I'll see y'all later. I gotta get home. Yeah, yeah. I think if you've been told the country is like going to hell and there are people, you know, scary people coming to invade the country, you know, and you believe this stuff, which they've been conditioned to believe this stuff over hours and hours and hours and days of programming, weeks and years of listening to folks like is like, you think that the situation is very dire, and you want to hear a truth teller like Tucker Carlson, Like it's it makes sense, right, Like if you you can get very easily sucked into this universe where like you need to know the truth and Tucker is the only one delivering the truth and it's like an extremely urgent situation. And that's sort of what's what it's like on Fox, right. That's exactly what I was going to bring up a little earlier that in talking to other family members that I don't see eye to eye on politically, what I've often found is the consistent, the consistent, you know, thread between all of them there is some degree of fear and self and self preservation. So I feel like my life is not where it needs to be. And I feel like this politician or this network has the solutions that will make some of my problems go away. So that's what I'm going to lock in on. And anything that you're talking about, even if it's better for mankind, it might not be good for me personally. So because of that, screw everybody else, and I'm gonna in and watch this show. Like my family, you know, I have people that you know they were working, you know, well through the pandemic, and it was something that you know, we didn't always. My uncle, this sounds crazy. My uncle was still openly dating now and my uncle is vaccinated now and wearing masks, and I'm like, dude, you can't just be out dating on a regular This is like last summer. He's just going on dates like these are literally strangers and a date is intimate, to which my uncle said and I quote, I wear a mask, but if we have sex, I'm taking it off. And like we could talk about that on a separate podcast, which we could go on about this all day. But I want to thank you Oliver. For coming on and being a part of this. Thank you so much. And um, I will set the DVR for reliable sources on CNN and damn it, it is Oliver time, Nagrant. I'm excited to see that. Thank you as always, Matt, thank you, and Dasi thank you as well. Uh if you want to watch Dasi segment that we've been talking about, you know on the podcast so eloquently for the last I guess almost an hour, uh Daily Show dot com slash beyond. 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