Bobbi says she’s experienced love at first sight twice: once with her husband, and again with Mickey Drexler. Mickey was the CEO of J.Crew for more than 15 years. During that time, he launched Madewell, Baby Gap, Old Navy, and helped Steve Jobs design the first Apple Store. He was also Bobbi’s first call when she left Bobbi Brown Cosmetics. In their conversation, Bobbi and Mickey talk about reinvention, the true meaning of creativity, the state of retail today, and the real origin behind the name “Old Navy.”

Learn more about Mickey’s son Alex and his co-founder Somsack’s clothing line Alex Mill on Instagram @alexmillny and visit www.alexmill.com