Lead worship pastor of River Valley Worship, Ryan Williams, joins the podcast to chat one-on-one with Drew Brown about making songs for the church, what it is like in Minneapolis right now with the protests, plans for the future, and so much more. Before that, James Kurtis is back with Drew for the opening segment and they continue the conversation around the anti-racism movement. Plus, Ross King helps us remove "if only" from our vocabulary in this week's Artist Advice segment.