Larry Goodman is one of Ireland's richest men, with a business empire that stretches from beef to healthcare and property. A new two part TV documentary 'Goodman - Too Big to Fail' looks at how his business collapsed two governments and brought in the era of tribunals. Ella McSweeney and Ciarán Cassidy share insights from the documentary. 

Later, Arts and Media correspondant, Evelyn O'Rourke joins Fran and Maggie to discuss the decline in interest in arts degrees and asks if we need 'STEAM' as well as 'STEM'.