M hmm, we're back. This is behind the bastard's part. We're not back, Sophie. Sophie gets started. We're not back. Okay, abat my guest again, Mr Langston Kerman Langston, how are you doing to day. I'm doing fantastic. I'm I'm excited to to dig further into the horrors of anti Semitism and and how it stretches across the world. It's fun, it's it's it's good ship, you know. One of the things that fun it's it's not fun or good ship, it's a nightmare. Um. One of the things that's most I guess ironic would be the term for me. It's like the protocols of the Elder's Zion, right we just talked about it's set up, is like the minutes of a meeting about how to destroy Christianity basically, right. Um. When it comes to the Holocaust, one of the most important documents we have for sort of because one of the big questions of the hall Alocaust for historians for years was was it planned ahead of time or did it just sort of evolve out of out of the war, Right, Like, how early was the Holocaust plan? When did they know they were going to do this. How centralized was it and how much personal responsibility did Hitler have right because they they have a big meeting or did they just sort of like come up with this on the fly. And they did have a big meeting, and we have the minutes of that meeting. It's called the von Say Conference. It was held in a house in the suburbs of Berlin that I've been to. The house is a museum now you can go see where Reinhard Hydrick and a bunch of other assholes sat in a room and worked out how are we going to do a holocaust? How do we we We've tried all these methods of killing people. Shooting them doesn't work because it's too expensive and it sucks our soldiers heads up. We've tried gassing them in vans, but it's not very efficient. We have so many more people, what are we gonna do? Okay? And they they arrive at the solution that they use. This is like two, while the war in Russia is forty three. Maybe the war in rushes at its height. So there is an actual conspiratorial meeting eating that. We have the the minutes too. And again when I talked with the difference between a real conspiracy and a fake one. That conspiracy has a very clear beginning and a very clear ending. It doesn't extend forward and backwards in time. A bunch of guys met in a room and planned to commit mass murder and then they did it. You know, it's not like, yeah, it this in a strange way, and I love that I keep making hip hop references, but it's a similar conspiracy theory sort of exists about the c I a planning to to basically like create, uh destroy the black population. Yeah, but not only crack, but also like by adding violence into hip hop, they would like forced black people to go to jail more often than sensequently, break down our communities. And there's a belief that there was an actual like meeting of the mind for like all the the the music heads of every sort of come but he came together and said, how can we add more violence into hip hop? So these black people murder each other. There's a lot like and like a lot of conspiration. There's like a germ of reality in there, which is that the CIA, it wasn't as direct as a lot of people think, but the CIA actually absolutely supported the cocaine trade that led to the crack trade in order to launder money so that they could buy weapons for these different groups that were like, it's a thing that happened. Absolutely. CIA has a huge part in the global cocaine trade. Um. The idea that anyone would need to meet in order to like insert violence into a part of American pop culture is very funny to me that like, no, no, no, The CIA definitely did it with but they weren't like, hey, and now we can maybe we should add a beat to this, maybe have a few fellas freestyled about it. We could really break down there. Uh what if we added a beat to this? It is not a thing the CIA ever sat down and asked themselves. They asked themselves, how can we get these planes of cocaine into the country so that we can buy more missiles for our friends in order to let the massacre poor people in Latin America? Um, which is more or less the actual story. Yeah, yeah, I mean we'll do we'll we'll do episodes on that at some point. It's a great story, um, because there's a couple of um, former d E agents and stuff who turned and who wrote about like being ordered not to arrest to let planes in. Like there's one of the more consistent things you find is that wind conspiracy theories are true. It's because somebody talked. Almost always someone talks yea, and though times when it's not true, they've never gotten anybody to talk because there is no one to talk about the ship. Yeah, that's kind of where I land on a lot of stuff where it's like, we know the CIA had a lot of involvement in the fucking cocaine trade because a bunch of dudes talked about it, like documented evidence to right, Like we got snitches and stuff. There were people who like believed in something when they got into the c I A or the I think it's mostly d E A guys, but who believed in something and then like realized what they were doing and they wrote about it and anyway, we'll talk about this at some point. This was too much of a digression, although we are talking about Columbia, so I guess it's appropriate that we talked about cocaine because we're talking about conspiracies in Colombia and there have been a lot. Colombia is a real conspiracy place. Um, you want to do a conspiracy. That's that's one of your top countries to go to. Um unfortunately. Uh so. Yeah, when most people who know about the Protocols think about like the consequences of the spread of this conspiracy theory, they think about the Holocaust, and for good fucking reason. But the Protocols left a trail of bodies wherever they spread, and they didn't always do it in the way you would expect. The way it the Protocols led to death wasn't always it leads to pogroms against Jewish people. It was a lot weirder than that in some cases. And today we're going to talk about the spread of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Colombia because it both kind of explains this specific example gives my examples of how it spread in other parts of the world, but also the kind of unexpected impacts that the spread of this conspiracy theory could have in a country. The Protocols first made it to Latin America in the wake of World War One, during the first Great diaspora for the infamous conspiracy theory. The vector of infection was the Catholic clergy, most of whom were sent to Central or South America from parts of Europe, where the Protocols had been spreading for more than twenty years. In Colombia, the Protocols entered through members of an elite Jesuit order who kept close ties with their brothers across the ocean. The first Spanish language translation of the Protocols was printed in Leipzig in nineteen twenty seven, but the version that actually spread most widely in Latin America was a French translation spread by a journal that had been established by an Augustinian friar, titled The Review of International Secret Societies. This yeah, so this friar has like a magazine dedicated to secret societies that he does on like the side. This is this guy's hobby. It had been established in nineteen o nine to investigate the Freemasons and other secret societies. And today very few people talk about the Freemasons. That conspiracy. You you can find bits and pieces of it here and there, but like it's not it's not in the mainstream of conspiracies anymore. You can you like you dig it off to queue it on. You'll find people talking about fucking Freemasons and stuff, but it's not the front rank. But back in the early night or the early nineteen hundreds, the Freemasons were again like the big fucking thing to be obsessed with, and the Catholic Church had actually had a whole bug up its ass about Freemasonry for centuries. Um. They believed it was dangerously anti Christian. It was because Freemasons were like social organizations of rich people, and they did exert a lot of soft power because all it's the same like school and bones. All these rich people are hanging out together, they're making plans and they're not. It's not a thing the Catholic Church has any p stuff, right. The Catholic Church is a big gang, right, it's a mop and they don't they don't like that. There's all these that like that. That's their issue with the Freemasons. Lings infamously don't like other gangs. Uh, that's what's happening here. Um. So basically, some weird friar with a side hustle ranting about Freemason's helped ignite a wave of anti Semitism in Colombia that led to the deaths of spoilers a couple hundred thousand people. So, yeah, it's some good ship. It is it is not some good ship. I should I should get it, I should get another go to phrase, um yeah, and I'm gonna quote now from a write up by historian Thomas Williford about the Catholic Church's attitude towards Freemasons. The popes were convinced that some dark conspiracy organized by the Masons was driving the faithful away from the Universal Church truth in order to bring about the collapse of the church. The claim of an international Masonic cabal resonated in all Catholic countries, including Spain and its former colonies in Latin America, UH, where Masons were an important presence in politics. In Colombia, a string of Liberal Party presidents who implemented anti clerical policies in the mid nineteenth century were practicing Freemasons. So in Colombia the Left takes power for a while, they pass laws restricting the power of the Catholic Church. A bunch of these guys are Masons. The Catholic Church is like, this is part of the conspiracy. It's great. So these super Catholic Jesuit weirdos were already obsessed with Freemasons. Then World War One hits and the whole world, their world, the European world seems to be in free fall. Communists are burning churches and killing priests in the midst of all that. This Friar Repent prints a translation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that seems to explain everything because the Protocols we had mentioned this last episode of should have The Freemasons are in and a bunch, and the idea is that the Jews are pulling the strings of the Freemason's right. That's one of the groups that the Jews control as part of their conspiracy. Pre existing beliefs about Freemasonry were actually how the Protocols managed to in fact, most of the communities they took off in early on. This is why grand conspiracy theories like Q and on are more successful than more syncretic they are. If you've got this core conspiracy theory about a bunch of child molesters, but you can rope in anti vaccine conspiracies, you can bring in the JFK assassination aliens, you can integrate all those things into the broader conspiracy theory. You get a bunch of additional vectors through which you can infect people so I'm in. Maybe I'm anti vax and that's how I first come across quan On propaganda and it sucks me in. Or I'm obsessed with the jfk assassination, I come across some video about how that ties into q and On. That's what pulls me in. It makes it more effective for everybody out there. That means, uh, embracing the groups that you otherwise weren't necessarily aiming for the first time. You wrote the ship exactly. And the way that the protocols do that is you've got all these guys who for centuries, a lot of these Catholics have believed in a Freemason and a Masonic conspiracy, and the protocol say, hey, the Jews are behind that. And Catholics already not great on Jews, you know, like there there were some problems there beforehand. But this is how a lot of like clergy get infected by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Now, the Vatican's official stance in this period was that Jewish people were souls to be saved um, but the Church supported and endorsed members of the clergy who spread myths about the blood pass over which we talked about in the last episode. Um Anti Semitic Catholics could point to Pope Pious the Ninth, who in eighteen seventy three claimed that the Synagogue of Satan was drawn from Masonic sects. And Pious was talking about the Masons, but he described them as a synagogue of the devil. So you can see this whole tying Jewish people to the to the Mason's. It didn't start with the with the protocols, but that was like the most best organized way it was put together. Do you think he used synagogue just on accident or was that also intentional of my being like you know, I I also don't funk with this group, by the way, but yeah, I think it was because for a lot of specially popes in those Eric synagogue is like synonym for a bad place, you know, it's the bad religion, you know, other than Protestantism, which is also the bad room Quarrelsome people, these these Catholics, like pork. It's the other bad meat that they don't care for. So a significant minority of Catholics had been ranting about a Judeo Massonic anti Christian conspiracy for decades. By the time the Protocols hit Latin America, one of the first Jesuits in Colombia to really dig into spreading anti Semitic garbage was a Spanish Jesuit named his sus Maria Ruano. Writing a bulletin for the local faithful in July of nineteen twenty two, he urged good Catholics to pray for the conversion of the Jews, and then went on to explain at length how since the French Revolution, the Jews had controlled the economies of Europe as well as all leading newspapers. Following this, he made one of the first direct references to the Protocols in Latin American history. Quote years later, when the abominable Protocols of the Wise Men of Israel were known around the world on the occasion of the Zionist Congress of eighteen ninety seven, reflective historians, moralists, and patriots have not ceased giving shouts aboutrage. They say that the plan of hegemony and universal conquest dripped by the Jews is already manifest. Is one of the first times you see the Protocols referenced in Latin America. Now, nineteen twenty two was a little early for this kind of rhetoric to spread, especially in Colombia, which had very few Jewish people, not super successful drumming up race hatred against the Jews because there's not a lot of them. They don't have a deep history in the country. Right, it's sucking Colombia, you know. It's a lot of people being like, what is a Jews? Yeah? What are you? What are you? What are you talking about. By the early nineteen thirties, the situation in the country had changed. In the early twenties, the economy was great, and this is another reason why this conspiracy doesn't take off. Then people are making a lot of money, Exports are trending steadily upward. Things are doing well in Colombia. Then in the thirties, the Great Depression hits, right, and Colombia gets sucked by it the way everyone does. And as a result to the Great Depression, the labor movement explode. So suddenly there's all these protests in the street, there's these giant strikes, people are starving. What we said, whenever there's a lot of unrest and change in a short period of time, people start to go to conspiracies to explain it all. Sure, the protocol started making more and more frequent appearances in Jesuit publications and in sermons. By the early nineteen thirties, there was significant documentation proving the protocols were a forgery. When I talked about last episode about how it was plagiarized from a piece of plagiarism that was known at the time, people were aware of this, but in what would become a common justification, Colombian Jesuits argued that it didn't matter whether or not the protocols were a forgery. And I'm gonna quote from a write up in one of their magazines in nineteen thirty two, an idea occurs to us that we cannot hide from the reader, separating the question of authenticity, in other words, determining whether or not these are the true minutes of the eighteen ninety seven Zionist Congress of Basil. No one can deny the frightening veracity of the protocols due to their prodigious, almost prophetic exactitude, which saturates all of its pages. So, yeah, maybe it's a forgery, but it's it seems like the things we already it's right, you know, like you can tell it's right. Yeah, exactly exactly. We couldn't agree more. It's it's completely made up. It's Milannia. Trump's still in Michelle's speech. It's like, yeah, we're still It's the alternative facts thing is that, like, yeah, maybe it's not literally true, but it's right. You know, this is what's happening. Even if this document is fake, it accurately describes what I know was happening because I'm a racist. Things continue to ramp up throughout the thirties. The Spanish Civil War, which is with its attendant massacres of priests and nuns by anarchists, fuel Jesuit claims that a vast anti Christian conspiracy existed. Colombian newspapers tended to cover the violence in Spain with what Thomas Williford describes as an it can happen here attitude. In nineteen thirty seven, inspired by the Spanish Civil War, a Bogata publishing house issued the first Colombian edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The late nineteen thirties and forties also saw intensifying violence between Colombian liberals and conservatives. Again, political order in Columbia is starting to break apart at this time. By nineteen forty two, the Liberals were ascendant and the head of the Conservative Party, a guy named Laureano Gomez, decided to launch an anti Masonic crusade, claiming that the Masons were using the Liberals as a vehicle for the Jews to take control of Colombia. Gomez had a right wing party newspaper that he edited start printing up a booklet which he claimed to be a secret account of Masonic rituals and secrets. Thomas Williford writes quote. It also claimed that Colombian Liberals were part of a worldwide Judeo Masonic conspiracy, especially in their attempts to control public instruction. A series of government and political documents were cited at length to make this point. Along quote from a publication supposedly called Revisted Judeo Masonica Masonic jew Magazine described diabolic instructions to pervert women in schools through gymnastic exercises and revealing clothing. It was rather pornographic reading for a pamphlet which also stated that it should be like a second Catechism in the home. So he publishes this booklet that is purporting to have excerpts from a magazine that doesn't exist called Masonic jew Magazine. Is this like the conspiracy has a magazine that they call the and it. Part of the thing is like these guys are conservative, right, they're doing too much stretching. They're there, women are doing gymnastics. It's the Jews, you know. Jewish people are known for gymnastics. That the gymnastics on us. Yes, so obviously, like all of the stuff we're talking about, this is nonsense. But the propagandic campaign was a wild success. It welded militant conservatives with Catholic clergy in a unified front against this Judeo Masonic liberal conspiracy. When a liberal president was elected in August of nineteen forty two, Go Messes magazine did not even acknowledge his inauguration, instead publishing more anti Semitic propaganda. Now, this was the same period where the holocaus Us was ramping up in Europe and Gomez's party newspaper actually reported on the early stages of the extermination, publishing an article about eighteen thousand French Jews being detained, sterilized, and deported. This was in the same issue where a priest father Diaz editorialized, it got about the struggle against Jewish Bolsheviks. The obvious contradiction between hysterical rants about an all powerful Jewish conspiracy and the reality of Jewish Jewish impression under the Nazis did not seem to strike anyone in the Colombian right wing as being a little bit inconsistent. Four days later, Loriano Gomez would go on to give the most anti Semitic speech of his career, defending a bill that would have denied Masonic lodges the right to exist in Columbia as corporate entities. His speech defending the bill was an unhinged conspiracist rant, explaining how the Jews had manipulated the Colombian middle class through freemasonry while controlling the working poor through communism. He claimed that his time working as Colombia's ambassador to Berlin had made it clear to him how toxic the Jews were a society. He claimed, the lesson of history is that when the Jewish phenomenon presents itself, there are only two solutions, handing the nation over to this Jews or expelling them. Oh boy, yeah. Now. Gomez did not succeed in passing his bill, but he succeeded in welding the Colombian Conservative Party into a unified conspiracist block, blaming all of their electoral defeats on an alliance of Jews and Freemasons who were manipulating liberals and communists. His most fanatical supporters were the middle class, small business owners, priests, and professionals. Again, none of this sounds familiar. A right wing party refusing to acknowledge that they lose an election, turning to conspiracy theories, the middle class backing them in order to explain economic downturns. None of this has ever happened since. Thank god, can you imagine we've learned our lessons now. Columbia never had the kind of widespread anti Semitic programs seen in Europe, but the charged and often violent rhetoric pushed by Gomez succeed did in making any kind of compromise between left and right impossible. If the other side were literally the puppets of a genocidal conspiracy to eliminate Christendom, collaboration was impossible. This became a problem when the right finally made its way back to power. And I'm going to quote from a rite up on the website the International Relations here. After nineteen forty six, traditional party competition had broken down in Columbia. Mariano Aspina Perez, the newly elected president, and his Conservative Party government, used the police and the army to repress the Liberal Party. The Liberals then responded by arming peasants to fight back against the government. This created pressures within civil and political society, and violence began on a small scale. It didn't stay small. The next several years of Colombian history are known widely as La Violencia, which I don't think I need to translate. It would be too much to blame the protocols or Gomez for all of this, but they and the conspiracism he fueled had a major impact on how La Violencia played out. As Thomas Williford writes, when the Violencia again in earnest in nineteen forty six, it was they The Conservatives, believing that the Liberals were part of a worldwide anti Christian plot, would encourage or even take part in the massacres of Liberal civilians throughout the countryside. Although Lavi Aalencia would quickly take on unforeseen socio economic aspects, the discursive structure that provided the pretext for militants to commit murder was already in place by nineteen forty two. After the Conservatives won the nineteen forty six presidential election against a divided Liberal party, they sought to guarantee a conservative majority around the country, as the Liberals had done fifteen years earlier. However, this time, partisan militants were armed with a conspiracy theory as well as machetes, and felt that their duty to physically eliminate the opposition in order to save the country. By some accounts, more than two hundred thousand people would die over the next few years of political massacres in Colombia. Boy, just machete. It's ugly ship. Yeah. And what I think is there's a lot there. When I think is so interesting about this is that the protocols enter in an anti Semitism is a huge part of it, but the violence they inspire isn't primarily anti Semitic. What it is is that this conspiracy so infects political discourse in Colombia that it makes anything but mass murder impossible as a political outcome. Because the right wing got addicted to the idea that these people aren't your political opponents, they're trying to exterminate you as part of this conspiracy. And if that's the case, there's nothing to do but kill them, you know. Yeah, you're you're fighting for your life exactly, and you're associating even even beyond anti Semitism, you're associating anybody who's even connected to the idea of of the opposition with a threat to your very existence. Yeah, it's it's amazing, um. And that's that's why I wanted to talk about Columbia, because it's not it's not like it is with the Holocaust. You know it, we'll talk We're about to talk about the Nazis. It's pretty straightforward, right. This propaganda convinces a lot of people in Europe that they're as a Jewish conspiracy, so they murder all the Jews. It's horrible, but it's not shocking what happens in Colombia, is It says a lot more. I think about the way conspiracies infect cultures and about broadly the impact even today that the protocol still have. As opposed to the much clear impact they had on the Holocaust, they also created a type of thinking that has spread virally throughout the world and caused violence in Columbia and a bunch of other places and probably will continue to inspire violence in the future. It's good stuff. It's just it's wild to think that so many of these seeds are permanent that, like you, you would think that, like, all right, you killed all those people, maybe a lesson was learned, maybe we moved on and grew from that, and now we don't do that anymore. But Nope, that's not how this works. It's like you killed all those people and we like verified that the document was fake, but like, go off, like what we like your style, my man, and keep it going. The lesson of history is that nobody has ever learned a single lesson from history. But you know who has learned a lesson or two in their time. The products and services that sponsor the show. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. The products and services that sponsored the show have learned a lot um and played only I think we can confidently say, played only a minor role in inspiring violencia. Alright, we're back, um. So the protocols of the Elders of Zion in the early twentieth century spread absolutely everywhere. We could talk at equal length about their impact in Japan, where they were translated and had a huge influence, or in Argentina, where they would influence a popular Catholic novelist named Hugo Vost to play a similar role in his country that Gomes played in Colombia. Voss wrote a really bigoted novel inspired by the Protocols, which itself inspired hordes of anti Semites to assault Argentine Jews in the street. Um so violence everywhere. The Protocols have likewise spread through the Arab world, particularly as a result of israel suppression of the Palestinian people. We could do whole episodes on that. There's a lot to say about these um we have limited time. Obviously, this is this is not a comprehensive study into the impact of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, although I have a good book to recommend called The Global Impact of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, edited by Esther Webman, where a number of different essays that we've used as sources for this episode come from. It's if you want a broader understanding, you can read that. I think for the closing chunk of this episode, we kind of have to talk about the Nazis. The O g not, you know, like we gotta like we gotta get like the original motherfucker's like the episode and didn't bring them up. It would be weird, right, I mean, I could we could go straight into Japan and we could go talk about the Middle East. We could talk about like we we wouldn't don't have to talk about the Nazis and was mean to do everybody else. Everybody else was fine, Yeah, I feel like we have to talk about the Nazis because we're talking about anti Semitism. Um, now you may be surprised to learn that most of the big Nazis, so maybe not after that part about Columbia, most of the big Nazis, the head Nazis knew the protocols were a forgery and didn't particularly like them. Um, they were not dumb men, and it was obvious that they were fake. Joseph Gebbels wrote in nineteen four, I believe that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery. That is not because the world view of Jewish aspirations expressed there in our two utopic or fantastic one sees today how one point after the other of the protocols is being realized, but rather because I do not think the Jews are so completely stupid as not to keep such important protocols secret. I believe in the inner but not the factual truth of the protocols. He's kind of saying we were saying Earlier's like, yeah, the Grand Conspiracy just left their minutes out, which is funny because the Grand Conspiracy, well, not grand, but the conspiracy he was a part of, did leave their minutes. They tried to burn most of the copies of the boxes life. Listen, those Jews are way smarter than I am. I'm gonna leave my junk out, but they would never I'm gonna leave that ship in a file folder. They never make that error. Yeah, they're brilliant, not like us. Jesus were done. So Girbels wrote this at the same time Friend of the Pod Adolf Hitler, was in prison writing mind comp the protocols heavily influenced. What what what what? Friend of the Pod doesn't mean the object He didn't object a Friend of the Pod Timothy McVeigh. Probably, I'm just letting you know I most definitely probably did. Well, that's probably fair so. And around the same time Gribbles wrote that stuff about not believing in the literal truth of the protocols, Adolph Hitler was in prison writing mind comp and the protocols heavily influenced how he wrote his manifesto, even though he too knew that they were fake. And I'm gonna quote from Hitler. Yeah, this is a hit There is a Hitler classic coming up. Yeah, this is a Hitler classic. I mean this is like Hitler's White album when we're talking about my you know, so, um, here's Hitler. To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on this people? Being Jewish people is based on a continuous lie. Is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery. The frank Fritter Zeitung mourns and screams once every week. The best proof that they are authentic. What many Jews may do unconsciously is here consciously exposed, and that is what matters. It is completely indifferent from what Jewish brains these disclosures originate. The important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty. They reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner context as well as their ultimate final aims. So m hmm. Like Gomez, Hitler and Girbel's knew the protocols were fake, but felt they were authentic as a result of their inner truth. And I'm gonna quote from a study on the Protocols the Elders of Zion and Nazi Propaganda by R. L. Bite Work quote. Nineteen years later, the two discussed the protocols just before Girbel's launched one of his periodic anti Semitic campaigns. Gebels, who had been rereading it, commented that his propaganda colleagues maintained that it was not useful for contemporary propaganda, but he reflected, I conclude from my reading, nonetheless, that we can put it to very good use. If the Zionist Protocols is not genuine wine, it was produced by a brilliant contemporary critic. Having talked it over with Hitler, the propaganda minister wrote in his diary, the fewer standpoint is that the Zionist Protocols can claim absolute genuineness. No one could express Jewish plans for world domination as well as the Jews themselves. The fewer is of the opinion that the Jews do not need to follow an established program. They follow a strong racial instinct that always leads the day actions shown throughout their entire history. Yes, so they don't need a game plan. They've been Yeah, I mean it's it's it's racism. He's Hitler, you know, and nobody does it better. It's like Hitler and then like a couple steps maybe Nathan bed from Forest a couple of steps below him. Um, Henry Ford's on that list. If you're doing the All Stars of Racism, you know, but go off not not doing the All Star No Racism Olympics here Hitler would win. It's a foregtten conclusion. Um, so the fewer. Yeah. Hitler never referred to the protocols in one of his public speeches, and Gebel's only mentioned it in public once in nineteen forty three. It was never mentioned in Dos Reich, the high end intellectual Nazi magazine founded by Gebbels in ninety one, but the protocols were extremely popular and more low brow propaganda minant for the common man. The Volcashore Bayo Bactor, the most mainstream Nazi publication during the Third Reich referenced them on a near weekly base. They were particularly influential in the magazine of Julius Striker. So Julius was basically the gutter punk version of Gebels. Gebels was the state propagandist. He was the high thinking of the intellectual propagandist of the Nazis. Julius Striker is the fucking He's the guy whose job is to rile up the criminals and street fighters were beating people in the streets, right. We don't need intellectualism for them. I want crude cartoons and racist jokes. You know. Striker is like the the gutter level, the very Wesley. Yeah. Yeah, he's the grimy propagandist. And his main propaganda arm was a magazine called Dear Sturmer, which existed mainly to radicalize the kind of street thugs who joined the Brown Shirts and beat up Jews in the street during the late twenties. Bite Work writes that Dear Stirmer quote alternated between elaborations of the Protocols and lurid stories of German maidens raped by Jews and German children ritually murdered. So we can see all these different strains of anti Jewish, anti Semitic propaganda kind of coming together in their stirmer, and he's using the protocols to make these street fighters. It's a mix of here's these stories about German women being raped, here's these little excerpts from the protocols to like convince you that what you're doing is that you going into the street and murdering people is part of a noble crusade. Right, That's what these guys need. They need to believe their nights when they're stabbing people in dark alley ways. So while Hitler and Gebel's knew the protocols were fake, they recognized that it had tremendous value in convincing regular working class people of the reality of a grand Jewish conspiracy. There were two major and slightly different versions of the Protocols distributed by the Nazis after nineteen thirty three, when they came to power. The official Nazi Party variant was just a copy of the original German translation from nineteen twenty The Nazis gained the rights to this translation in nineteen twenty nine, and by nineteen thirty four they had sold a hundred and fifty thousand copies of it. There were Yeah it sells all right, and there were other German versions, often annotated, that also sold tens of thousands of copies. The Party subsidized these publications to try to get them out to as many hands as possible, but like mind comp most of the people who bought these probably never read them in their entirety. The main value of the Protocols to the Nazis was not as a document itself. It was not something that a lot of people would just read. It was a source to cite and quote from. Liberally. You're writing some unhinged rant about how Jews are raping a woman, throwing a couple of quotes from the Protocols to really pop things off, because it it feels like it's got some weight to it, you know. And so they they acknowledge for themselves that they know these are fake, but they're not telling the people that, good lord, no no, no, no, no, no, yeah, okay. They're like, yeah, we found some ship, y'all, Yeah, we found Yeah. The Nazis came to power in thirty three, there was a broad understanding around the leadership that while the Protocols weren't. They weren't sophisticated enough to be suped for useful domestically, right, the street fighting portion is over, It's time for better propaganda, higher propaganda. But they recognized there was a value and spreading the protocols internationally. The basic idea was that if you can make more anti Semites and the rest of Europe, that will help you make more fascists, who will have more people in other European countries who sympathize with the Third Reich. This will also cut down on outrage internationally once Nazis start, you know, doing the things they were always going to do. European anti fascists were not ignorant of what was happening in Switzerland. To organizations, the Swiss Federation of Jewish Communities and the Bernese Jewish Community quickly realized that the Swiss National Front, their local fascist party, had started distributing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in German a Nazi translation, alongside other anti Semitic propaganda. They didn't want to just let this lie. They felt like they had to fight it somehow. In nineteen thirty five, these activists decided to sue the National Front, using a nineteen sixteen law meant to ban pornographic movies and books as the basis for their lawsuit. Now I'm not an expert on Swiss law, historians seem to degree that these activists were kind of reaching by trying to punished Nazis with an anti porn law. The specific wording of the law banned what was called shooned literature, which roughly translates to trash or pulp fiction. And it was meant to ban like erotic stories like in comics and stuff that were being printed in this period. But it was like the way it was defined is just like anything that's like not true and it's filthy, And I guess they were kind of trying to argue that, like Nazi propaganda falls under this definition, so it's banned by the anti peorgn laws as well. It was yeah, they're they're there, just a weird diagram of stuff, but yeah, it is weird, and it's it was a weird vind diagram of stuff, and it was a bad idea. It would prove to be actually a disastrous idea. They had noble intentions, right, You're you're trying to stop Nazis from spreading propaganda in your country, but it wound up being one of the worst things they could have possibly done. So this becomes a huge court case that's covered internationally and it kind of becomes an international referendum and whether or not the Protocols of the Elders of on our real because they were arguing that because this is fake, it falls under these pornography laws. The whole case wound up around four revolving around four questions asked by the judge. Number one, was the Protocols of the Elders of Zion a forgery? Number two? Was it plagiarized? Number three, If it was, what was its source? And number four do the protocols fall under the category of trash literature? Now you and I know the answer to a lot of those questions, but at the time they became a massive debate all around Europe. The Burn Trial, as it became known, was front page news, and even though Hitler and Girbel's knew the protocols were a forgery, they saw value in pumping out propaganda around the trial to defend its fa the veracity of the document quote. The propaganda ministry was unwilling to make the trials the defense of the authenticity of the protocols. Instead, the ministry treated them as attempts by international Jewry to attack national socialist Germany. Newspapers and radio carried daily memories of the trial's progress, praising the testimony of those supporting the protocols legitimacy and attacking those who did not. The official party newspaper Volkes Shobet Bactor, for example, commented on the testimony of a protocol of a prosecution witness in a less than unbiased way. Doctor Baumgarten said little about his own subject, but rather made confused remarks about various points. He seemed less interested in speaking to the point than in having a rhetorical effect. The fascists lost the case technically, receiving a slap on the wrist punishment that amounted to a small fine, but the judgment was overturned two years later on appeal, and the Nazi Nazi propaganda ministry presented this to the German people as a huge victory. Now the actual ruling had declared that the authenticity of the protocols was irrelevant they didn't count as pornography, but the Nazis ignored this They presented the ruling as a defeat for Jews and a de facto acknowledgement that the protocols were legitimate. The Volkshobeo Bactor released a five page special to celebrate the appeal titled Jewish Defeat at the Bird and Trial World Jewry's efforts fail again. The Friedburger newspaper also released a front page story titled a Defeat for World Jewelry. Both articles celebrated the fact that the court had ruled the protocols not obscene literature. Can I I do want to say that that I am proud of us today, even our races are no longer using the word jewelry. That that feels like you don't hear it much, right, that is a way. Yeah, you gotta take the winds where you can get them. Let's count progress where progress exists, you know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, Jewry's one of those like cringe words. Was like, you know, uh, that's that's that's not a good side. That's that I'm seeing that somewhere. Yeah, if we started seeing that again, we know we've got backsliding. Yeah, we are not doing good. Yeah, you know who is doing good? There? They are doing great with by then the White House with the with the Defense Department headed by a former Raytheon employee executive. Yes, they're doing wonderful. Oh my gosh, nailing it. It's only depressing if you don't like missiles destroying school buses. I don't, for the record, but Raytheon does. Okay, Sophie, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You don't like that Raytheon does, so the answer is that will continue buying Raytheon's products. And corporations are people now, So you and that corporation's feelings. Yeah, don't be mean to Raytheon. What have they ever done to you? I mean, I'm sure we could figure out something. Sophie does not speak for the rest of us here. We'll be back after these messages. We're back. People don't say that much anymore. Will be back after these messages were when they used to they used to frame bro Yeah, I know, but I miss it. It was just so much classier than being like shouting products. It's back when they didn't want us to know that they were tricking us into buying into, you know, sales and capitalism and ship It was like, oh, these are just people trying to tell you little secrets. You should listen. Oh messages, those sound valuable. I love that. So what we're saying here is Robert misses the scam of it all. I do. I miss the scam of it all. You know, nowadays it's just such naked, unrestricted. I wish I could be a little more cunning of that. I wish you could be like you know Langston. Today, I'm shaving with my Dollar Shave Club raiser right after Wonderful Sleep and my Purple Mattress. And let me tell you, I saw a school bus and I knew the thing to do was to launch an R and I and X knife missiletic because I wanted to take out the driver because he looked shifty, but I wanted to spare most of the children. And thanks to that wonderful Raytheon missile, more than thirty into the kids in that school bus made it out alive. And that's the Raytheon guarantee. And I'm sure you slept well that night on your purple Mattress. Absolutely problem Mattress ever gave us a sponsorship. They never did, and we will delete this entire episode if they give us a dime. It is weird. I'm one of my worries early on in podcasting, was it just like it seems like the whole industry is supported by like three mattress companies and razor blades. Things have broadened now there's a wider variety of It feels a little bit less like a shell game. I'm sure it will all come crash and there tricta of mattress, food delivery, and then dick pills. That was the holy trinity. I mean, okay, I will argue that the only ethical form of consumption under capitalism is dick pills. I'm listening. There's no doubt inside the dick pills. They do what they say they're gonna They do what they say they're gonna do. Some science. Not speaking of science, let's talk about racism. Um. So, yeah, the Nazis make a huge deal about the Burn Trial. It becomes like this massive moment in the history of anti Semitism, and this thing that had started as an effort to discredit the Nazis and punish people for spreading Nazi propaganda in Switzerland winds up spreading the protocols all around the world. Right, this huge trial comes up, people are debating how real the protocols are. There's all these articles in different newspapers talking about whether the protocols are true or not, and more than anything, talking about like how boy, all the Jews really seem to want these this court case to go one certain way that seems kind of shady. Maybe there's something to these protocols. It. It was the worst thing they could have done was bringing this trial. It winds up, it's a a fucking disaster. Um. Probably no single moment in pre war history did more to spread mainstream awareness of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion than the Burn trial. Um. It's tragic because they it was a noble goal, right, They were trying to fight fascism the best that they could. They're trying to shut that bad boy down. But it back the fuck fires. You know. When World War Two started in Germany quickly found itself at war with more or less the world. It seemed to many that the protocols had been proven accurate. Again. The Seventh Protocol stated, we must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country. Who did which dares oppose us? But if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war. So the protocols claim, if a country finally wises up to our conspiracy and goes to war with us, we have to get everyone else to go to war with that country, which the Germans climate started World War Two. This is the Jews getting all of the world old against us, right, That's why everyone is at war with us, because the Jews made them be. Now, the reality of the situation is that Germany invaded Poland, whose sovereignty was backed by both France and England. Russia and Germany actually had a treaty which they split up with by which they split up Poland and Russia sent raw materials into the Third Reich. Germany didn't go to war with Russia until they chose to invade a country that was giving them oil on the basis. Likewise, the United States did not jump into war against Germany. We were neutral. The Nazis enjoyed a huge base of support among the American electorate. It was Hitler who declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, which was a bad call. The fact that Germany when a bit war with the entire world was no one's fault but Germany's. They're blaming it on this jew It's like, no, you kept declaring war on people, What do you think it would happen? They thought they had a guy that liked to talk a little spicy, and they can like say he was out of controls though it's everybody else's fault. You thought you could beat the whole world at a war, and I guess you came pretty close. Yeah, deah, pretty good. But like, yeah, it was not anyone else's fault, but you're fucking owned now the fact that, yeah, so even though obviously to any person actually observing things, this was all Hitler's fault, right he had he he was starting all of these wars. Even so, Stryker's dear Stirmer used the outbreak of hostilities is evidence that the Jewish conspiracy was real and dedicated to Germany's downfall. Quote. At the end of the past century, world jewry believed that it was on the threshold of world domination. The world's leading Jews gathered in Basil in eight seven. They decided to follow a system, medic and criminal program to reach their final goal. They wrote the program for a total and complete achievement of world domination. It is known under the name of the Zionist Protocols. The Striker Do they ever mention who these world leading Jews are? Do they ever? Not? Not by name? You're left to assumes Rothschilds are probably a part of it, right, that's an old onoman But like no they that's part of why it's a good conspiracy. You don't want to throw in a name in means it's falsifiable, and why we can actually disprove that if we start using real names, that we can prove this guy was in a different place in eighteen nineties or whatever. Striker argued that the war had not begun because Hitler had misjudged France in England and assuming they wouldn't go to war over Poland, or that he had again misjudged the USSR when he assumed that country would collapse after a few months of blitz Creek. No, the greatest war in history had started because the Nazis dared oppose World Jewry's plans for world domination. When the Protocols were written, the monarchs of Europe had been the great bulwark against Jewish schemes. Now that they'd fallen, Striker argued, the Nazis were all that was left. As German tanks rolled into France, the Nazi government sent an official statement to the World Wire Service. Could the war plans of Jewry be more clearly expressed? Non Jews read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and reckon is the secret plans and methods and means Jews adopted, sees for themselves unlimited power over the world. This is like an official government statement sent out at the offsbreak of hostilities. Yeah, this is this is so interesting because I think, uh, for forever, I've always understood it being like, oh, Hitler just didn't like Jews, Like he wasn't a fan, he didn't like their faces. So they killed them all because he didn't like them. And instead he's like made a hero story out of it where he's like, Yo, if we don't kill them, they're going to destroy the planet. Yeah. You cannot get people to do things like the s S men who ran the death camps did, or like the the Instz Group and the Special Task Groups the first organized at like genocide acts were taken in the East and Ukraine, in in western Russia by these these special units of mostly cops, like the Germans would take cops and send them to the Eastern Front and they would massacre Jews by guns. And it was there was one massacre Bobby Yard where they killed like thirty thou people in a day, just lighting them up and shooting women and children and babies. Um, you can't do that if you don't believe you're fighting in some sort of you have to at least have a lie to tell yourself about why this is a noble act. It's too hard and part of why they move the extermination camps is that most of those guys killed themselves, right, Like, even if you're a hardcore Nazi, doing that just destroys you. You can't people there's like maybe a one percent of a percent of people are just so broken that it doesn't damage them. But even Nazis were destroyed doing the Purple mattress. That's gonna help you us. Thank you for tying our sponsor to the Einsatz Group and something we always signed seek to do here. Um, so yeah, you need this if you're going to convince a large body of men to do the worst thing a group of men has ever done in history. Um, because there's I mean, there's other genoci is, there's other horrible acts of racism. No one kills as many people as quickly intentionally as the Nazis do in the last two years of World War two. There's no like. It's it's like, there is a degree to which it deserves to stand on its own and it's and it is a mix of the speed and the intentionality of the murder. And that's only possible when you can convince people there there there's a crusade that they're part of, you know. Shortly before the Worst War started in early nineteen forty one, Hitler gave a speech before the Reichstag that is often seen as one of the first pieces of evidence that the Holocaust was planned ahead of the war and directed by Hitler. Again, his name isn't on anything authorizing the extermination of the Jews, and as part because Hitler was not a dumb guy, right, you don't, you don't put your name on that, And it's like, you just don't. That's a bad idea. But so historians have tried to piece together things that he said that shows he was thinking about extermination well before the death camps got operational. One of the pieces of evidence that people will use for this is a speech he gave in ninety one before the Reichstag, was right before the outbreak of war. Today, I will once more be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers in and outside of Europe should succeed in plunging nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth and this victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. So again, here's Hitler saying, and this is after, I mean the war has started. This is after the the all of the players are involved before all like Russia is not in it yet, the US isn't really in it yet. Um, this is the early hostilities. Hitler says. If these if this Jewish conspiracy brings the world to war, brings everyone to war against Germany, we will annihilate the Jewish race. That's why it's used as evidence that he directed the Holocaust, because here's him saying, and here's him saying, if there's a world, we're going to kill all these motherfucker's um. Now we know Hitler was not a believer in the protocols, but he did believe that what they claimed was internally true, and the millions of Germans listening to him at home during the speech had been primed to believe him by years excerpts from the Protocols in Vulkshire, bear backter Der Schirmer, and other Nazi publications. In September of nineteen forty two, Nazism's armies evidently ascendant and the entire world at war with Germany, Hitler addressed his people again in my speech before the reichstad on the first of September nineteen thirty nine, I spoke of two matters. First, since we are forced into war, neither the threat of weapons nor a period of transitions shall conquer us. Second, if World Jewry launches another war in order to destroy the Area Nations of Europe, it will not be the Area Nations that will be destroyed, but the Jews. Once the German Jews laughed at my prophecy, I do not known whether or they now they are still laughing, or whether they are laughing on the other side of their faces. I can simply repeat they will stop laughing altogether, and I will fulfill my prophecy in this field too. Ah, that's just yeah, he just needed to learn to be made fun of a little bit. That's a guy who really took himself super seriously in a way that was hugely detrimental to the world. Yeah, there's a lot about his early life that we talked, but we're like, yeah, he's not good at He's not good at I mean he thought he was. He was enraged by the idea that he would dance because dancing would make him look silly, like he was enraged by the idea that a girl he liked might dance, because he thought dancing was silly. And yet he chose that mustache. Come on, my guy. Yeah, I mean so did Charlie chaplin Um and sorry that first speech. Don't forgive I know what a choice. He must have just been thinking, like, you know what, I think I'm famous enough to rehabilitate this mustache. Let's do this. I mean, speaking of conspiracy theories, there's so many around Michael Jordan's sure, are there. Yeah, there's a lot of people who claim that he murdered his father or not murdered. But but is the cause of his father being murdered. Serious theories that he had to leave bass cootball for gambling debts, conspiracy series that he was throwing games. There is stuff. I can't speak to most of it, but I have trouble imagining that Michael Jordan couldn't have made enough money in basketball to cover his gambling debts. Yeah, skip that part. I think I think he was doing all right. I think the theory is more that he had gambling debts that went unpaid and people wanted vengeance in a way that would actually hurt Michael Jordan's which the money would not um, and then subsequently killed his dad, and then he quit basketball because he couldn't get past the the shitty feeling. There's a lot. There's a lot going on besides that questionable mustache is what I was allusing. All I know about him is that he was real damn good at basketball, less good at baseball and golf. Um that he's a he's a mean, mean but the best. Yeah, but space Jam was pretty rad. It was nice to bugs, Bunny, you got I mean, you don't want you don't want to piss off bugs bugs money? No bugs, Bunny will fuck you up. So um yeah, speaking of yeah boy um so yeah. I don't know, man, Um, that's that's more or less. It's like right. I I mentioned those two speeches both because they clearly have some of the DNA and the protocols in them, and they're they're often seen as direct evidence that Hitler personally directed the Holocaust. Um. I think the majority this isn't. I will say the question of Hitler's direct like direct direction of the Holocaust is debated to some extent. I think there's very broad agreement that it was. It was instituted at his command and largely with his understanding, even though he was a delegator, right, he wasn't sure like mapping out how the deaf camps would work. He had guys like Reinhard Heydrich and Um and Adolf Eichman to do that stuff. But he he he ordered it, which is which is the way that all governments work, right at the end of the day, you know, even the bombs that get dropped on another country, the president didn't like pick the spot. He just sort of gets a guy to pick the spot and do the Yeah, they'll hand him a couple of spots and he'll say, Okay, let's let's do that one. My experience writing the Amtrak has prepared me to know where to bomb. Maybe the way our government works doesn't make a lot of sense, is what I'm saying. Um, but yeah, um so I don't know. Uh, it's I think one of the things. Again, there's a lot, and it's much more debated the degree which the protocols would have influenced Hitler. I think because they influenced so much of the propaganda that he would have consumed as a young man, they had an impact on him. You can see shades of them in those speeches he was giving. I think they're bigger impact on the Holocaust was in preparing the people of Europe to accept and cheer on the extermination of their Jewish neighbors. In our Holocaust remembrance media, we tend to focus on the happiest stories that exist from that time, stuff like Schindler's List, right, um, Stuff like the story of like those the neighbors who protected Anne Frank and her family are at least attempted to stories of good people risking or sacrificing their lives to protect their Jewish neighbors. This happened a bunch. It's fair. The stories of what what the Israel calls the righteous among nations, the non Jews who protected Jews in the Holocaust, very important stories, Um, but they were not the norm. That's why they're highlighted because most people were not just willing to let this happen. They eagerly turned in their Jewish neighbors. In France when the Nazis tick over, French citizens handed over so many Jews to the Nazis. The Nazis had to tell them to stop because they couldn't they couldn't handle that many people that quickly. UM. And Frances, where the Protocols of the Elders of Zion first appeared, you know, that had an impact on why that was the case, because a lot of people thought, and there's more to it than that, but it was the same in Ukraine and Poland and Russia. Villagers massacred their neighbors. Has happened a lot. In Poland, the Germans would come in and they would find the Jews in the village already dead because people would kill them to take their stuff. And a lot of times it's more complex than the protocol scrambled these people's brains. Most of them probably had heard excerpts from the Protocols over the years, most of them had never read it. But in many cases, the most direct motivation for the genocide was economic. It's the same thing with, for example, the internment of Japanese American citizens, which was directly lobbied for by white farmers in California because they wanted to take those people's land. A lot of times, when you're talking about Jews being turned in by people in Europe, it was because the people turning them in or even just murdering them, wanted to gain access to their farms or businesses. The Nazis had a policy of arianization, where they would take businesses from Jewish people and give them to quote unquote arians. But the Protocols and the propaganda that the Protocols inspired provided a moral justification for this process. Because people don't want to just think I killed my neighbor because I'm greedy. It's much easier to think my neighbor was conspiring against me, so it's right that I take his ship. You know, that's a lot easier to square yourself with It changes murdering or turning in your neighbor from a venal act of slaughter for profit to an act of racial self defense. We needed the Native Americans to be savages otherwise this doesn't work. The whole plan is faulty if, in fact, it was common for white settlers too like leave white society and join Native American tribes because it was much more pleasant to like live that way than it was to like live in fucking New York City in sixt eighty um. The fact, like, we we can't talk that. We have to just depict them as like scalping people and stuff, because you know, that's the way it goes. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion still spread today. Americans like Henry Ford played a significant role in spreading in here. And we haven't even talked about him, but he he published the protocols in the United States. Henry Ford spent huge amounts of money trying to get the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and as many people's hands as possible. He only stopped doing this when World War Two broke out. Like a lot of Western anti Semites, the sheer brutality of the Holocaust forced him to at least pretend that he hadn't agreed with everything the Nazis. I just published it. I didn't whoa, whoa. I was just saying they were trying to kill us all. I didn't think we'd murdered them. Oh my god, Henry, yeah, Dick. So the wake of the Holocaust led to a collapse in public support for outright anti Semitism, but the protocols didn't go away, nor did they become only the purview of fringe neo Nazis, and staid they became sublimated into the American mindset in a lot of cases, stripped of the direct anti semitism, but not stripped of it's a power to kind of convince people of a rubric of violence that was being planned against them. I laid out this process in detail when we talked about Columbia, but it happened here too. Right starts as an anti Semitic conspiracy theory. The anti Semitism never gets fully stripped out, but the conspiracy theory and the way it changes how people think, that's what has the greatest impact. In the United States. We have not yet in this country had our equivalent of Laviollncia, but over the last several decades, we have watched a series of conspiracy theory spread in subcultures right and left wing. The New World Order and Illuminati conspiracy theories are both direct descendants of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In fact, they are the same conspiracy that a tiny and ancient cabal of wealthy families are working together to destroy humanity. When you scratch these theories deep enough, a well of anti Semitism always rises up. It's why George Soros is such a big part of so many people's conspiracy. You know, not like he's a billionaire, they're all bad, but like he's he's he's not trying to destroy the world. He's different than those other billionaires, and he's just a guy who needs to be taxed more. Um. Yeah, It's why a lot of non racist believers of the New World Order back in the nineties would, once they had a couple of drinks in them, call it the jew World Order, because again, the anti Semitism has never stripped out entirely. Alex Jones is a great example of this. He is not a dumb man, and he is careful enough to never call his globalists Jews, but his collars are not so careful. On the show Knowledge Fight, one of my favorite podcasts, Dan Freeze and his documented repeatedly callers into Innfo Wars asking Alex's opinion on the Jews, and he will generally push back on this and just move on very quickly to the next caller. But he has an employee named Harrison Smith who is less quoit on. On Harrison Smith Show, Smith will regularly talk about Jewish domination of the media and the government for hours with his callers because they all know what Alex is saying. Q and On also holds within it the DNA of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I found a right up by Gregory Stanton on the website Just Security that lays this out well enough. Gregory worked for Genocide Watch and the Alliance to Prevent Genocide and as a result, is one of those folks who spends his life trawling the underbelly of the Internet looking for the telltale fingerprints of the protocols. He writes, Q and On pervades the fantasy that a secret Satan worshiping cabal is taking over the world. Its members kidnapped white children, keep them in secret. Prisons were run by pedophiles, slaughter and eat them to gain power from the essence in their blood. The cabal held the American presidency under the Clintons, and Obama nearly took power again in two thousand sixteen and lurks in a deep state financed by Jews, including George Soros and in Jews who control the media. They went to disarmed citizens and defund the police. They promote abortion, transgender rights, and homosexuality. They went to open borders so brown illegal aliens can invade America and mongrelize the white race. Q and On true believers think Donald Trump will rescue America from the Satanic ball. At the time of the storm, supporters of the Capitol will be round of the Cabal will be rounded up and executed. The q and On conspiracy theory has now spread to neo Nazis in Germany, where over two hundred thousand German German q and On accounts infests the Internet. A faction known as Reichberger or Citizens of the Reich, orchestrated a brief storming of the German Parliament on August twenty nine. Oh Man Jesus Christ I've also never heard it explicitly stated as stealing white children. They don't say that because they want to deny that it's racism, but they're they're they're focused on illegal aliens and very they're trying to change the character of this nation. They're trying to change the way this nation looks. You know, you don't say they're trying to make replace white people. Q and On doesn't, but that's what they're saying. They'll find their way to that part. And you can find Nazis saying like, hey, Q and On is a great way to convince people of white genocide conspiracy theories. They're already halfway there, you know, um boil boy, it's great, it's good. My favorite part is how even if you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's fake, people will still believe it. That's the thing that gives me hope. It's it's the conspiracies are so layered now that it's like to to to prove it wrong is only to prove that the conspiracy theory is deeper than we even knew it was. And it it one of the reasons why arguing with conspiracy theorists is basically pointless, is that if you're not one of them, they will always spend more time thinking about this and as soon as you point out one thing that's false, slill bring up something you've never even considered, and you won't be ready to counter it, right like, because that's like this is their whole life is thinking about all the different branches. Okay, well but what about this? What about this? It's the same thing, like Ben Shapiro does not in a conspiratorial way. It's a debate tactic and it's not it's not an ethical debate tactic, but it's how you win debates. It's by bringing up more things than your opponent can refute, you know. The gish gill up is another term for it. Yeah. He also employs this strategy that I think is is now becoming super effective of being like, well, debate me, and it's it's, well, what are we debating? I've already proven you wrong, But it's like, no, let's bring this to a public form so that I can distract you. And then if I don't debate you, now I'm the idiot who couldn't debate been Ben Shapiro on his public platform and it's not enough to show like, Okay, you lied about this one thing, He's already moved on to the next lie. And like, if you're not ready to counter every single lie, you're going to It's the same way. That's why. That's another reason why the syncretism of conspiracy theories. Being able to pull everything into this grand conspiracy theory makes it stronger because you like start arguing about one thing like Okay, well what about this, what about this? What about this? And like you'll never be ready to That's why facts, facts are not the answer to beating conspiracy theories. Providing people with the things that they're missing that caused them to believe in the conspiracy theory is the only real long term solution to to de radicalizing them. Um, and that's hard. Yeah, nobody's worried about the cabal when they're happy in their home exactly. It's like in the twenties they tried the ship in Colombia didn't spread because people were doing good. It's when ship's fucked up that these things have a lot easier time spreading. Thankfully, everything's getting better in the world. We can all agree on that. Well, Langston, we did it. How you doing I'm doing good. I had a lovely time. This is great. Well, I'm glad you had a lovely time talking about the protocols of the Elders of Zion. I I learned a lot. I don't feel better on our show. You never feel better at the end. Yeah. Learning things about the world never makes it easier. There was no healing for me personally, but maybe maybe someone at home will feel a little bit of catharsis at the end of this bad Boy. So our our job here isn't to heal people. It's to just stick a finger in the wound a little bit deeper, you know. That's that's apparently why four million times a month people download this show because they all have they all have wounds that they want fingers. Stick that finger in me, Please stick that finger in. All right, we'll be back next week and we'll talk about I don't know Will Wheaton, No, he's a monster. Yeah. Well, before we go, Lankson, is there anything you want to plug for our listeners? Oh yeah, please listen to my very silly, far less research podcast. It's called My Mama Told Me. We talk about conspiracy theories, specifically in the black community. It's it's a a good time. I recommend tell Yeah, well so do I and I don't know. What do we what? What's a good joke to end on Sophie? I don't know, Robert, Well, I don't have any jokes. That's not my job. Yeah, I guess the joke is that the degeneration of society is largely inevitable. Everything. Oh, we have fun, Bye bye,