Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast. That's it. I've done my job. We're introduced. It's a podcast that's good work. Thank you. All right, I'm taking the day. Everybody take five? All right, cool, see you back next week. Okay, no talking about bad people, worst one history. He's all of that in our space right now, so we can't. Well, I guess we might as well talk more about the John Bird Society with me again. Are Dan in Jordan's or George jan and Jordan's or Jordan's hosts of the Alex Jones focused podcast Knowledge Fight, which I will probably be listening to when I go on a run right after this um brag. Hell yeah, hell yeah, someone has an eyepaw I pod nano motherfucker's somebody is ambulatory. Congratulations. So we're talking about the JBS. And there's a quote that opens the book on the John Birch Society that I've been using as one of the sources for this episode, The World of the John Birch Society, and the quote that opens the book is by a guy named Don DeLillo. Uh, A conspiracy is everything that ordinary life is not. It was a good quote to open a book about the John Birch Society with because I've been thinking about it a lot, not just while writing this episode about the JBS, but in general, while thinking about, you know, everything that the Birches wrought on American society, because what was actually happening during the period of the John Birch Society's rise to prominence was that a very fucked up world order was establishing itself in the wake of all of that post war promise. You know, people were broadly speaking kind of optimistic in sort of the wake of the Second World War that like maybe mankind had turned a corner, and that's why I fucked and had all those babies that we have to deal with out. That's yeah, we the everyone decided to fucking raise the worst generation that ever existed, right, bunch of for the for if you were going to write a new John Birch Society book, you could use a quote from me, which is like a bunch of dicks. Yeah, that's what That's what all used to open my book about the John Birch Society and about the Papa Sucker. So the era of the Birch Society's chief period of relevance was also the era in which the new deals started being slowly picked apart. Right, So, like, you know, we have an economic collapse, we institute this very robust program of of like a social safety net and protections for workers. And then in the post war era, all these rich guys, many of whom were John Birch Society donors and sympathizers, dedicate their lives to tearing it apart. Now, this period of time was also the period in which the Cold War was that its most frightening. You know, the height of the Vietnam War happens during sort of the peak of the John Burt Society's relevance. Everything's kind of going wrong in America in this period and in this period right after things have been going really well, at least by the perspective of white people, and a lot of white people were like, what the hell happened? Well, yeah, exactly like communism. Yeah, you got it. While he's causing all of the things that are bad to happen, he blames it on communism. Yeah, it's fucking smart, man. So because of all this innocence, innocence, it's smart. Yeah, I mean, being terrible is it is a skill? You know? Definitely, man, it was turned timestables when he was four years old. He's clever. That's why again, you got to slow down the smart kids. You know, I'm not gonna say smart children deserve head injuries, but you know then don't well stop just yeah stop, just sort of there no no helmets for the smart kids, right? Can I ask? Are you? Are you saying that for periods of time you should deprive smart children of air? Yeah? Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's a nice, not legally actionable way of describing it. Make all children deep sea divers and have them deal with the bends every now and again. Yeah, don't don't forcibly restrict them from air, but make them do wreck diving and get nitrogen poisons. That's my that's how we fix society. Yeah, if if you think about it, back during this time, they only used to paddle the kids who weren't succeeding in school. And now where are we if we had reversed it around. What if they paddled kids for doing too well at school? I think anybody would be ashamed of succeeding. But then that's how we should live. So um, because of all this, I actually think that Bob Welch was actually a different sort of conspiracy theorist from most of his followers. Uh. You know, the bulk of rank and file Bircher's were conservative Americans who had been brainwashed into an irrational fear of communism, and we're willing to believe that it was the cause of all of their problems when it, in general was not. Bob Welch and his inner circle, the guys who got to read the politician were the kind of rich and powerful men who saw any refusal of the people of the world to bow to their whims as communism. And when you think about it that way, Welch's hatred of Eisenhower makes sense because I wanted to live in a society and Bob Welch did not. He wanted to be a feudal lord, right, like a lot of criticisms about Eisenhower, But Eisenhower wanted to live in a society that provided benefits for the people living inside of it, and Bob Welch said, funck that um. And meanwhile, the followers of the John Birch society were more of the why is our society sucks so bad? It must be the communists, not the people deliberately tearing it apart brick by brick probably like our leader. That's good, that would make sense. Yeah, it's the difference between the like consumer and the producer of the theory, like that disconnected that isn't clear to the followers necessarily of like what you're being what path you're actually being led down? Yeah. I think that's why Bill Gates has a podcast now so he can really clear things up. My coworker, Bill Gates in the podcast. I am excited to have him on the episode about Peter Teeal. That is gonna be some spicy conversation. See. Now, if you could get him on the episode about him, that would be a huge get. It would be fun to get Bill Gates on the podcast and then just scream at him about like Windows XP for an hour and a half, nothing about like the any of the actual crimes he committed as the CEO of Migrant just like really hammer him on XP. This was not intuitive software. Goddamnit. He's just crying by the end of it. Uh. In nineteen sixty President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was elected President of the United States. I shouldn't have said president was elected president. You know what? I mean JFK became the president in nineteen sixty. Yeah, he wasn't that famous. In the years before he was gunned down by Bernie Sanders. He enacted a broadly progressive at genda. Except for all the saber rattling at communists and hard workhold warrior ship. Most reasonable people can look at JFK's legacy and acknowledge that he did some reckless violent ship in the name of fighting communism. One of those reckless violence things would be getting us into Vietnam, which didn't work out super well. Some might say well with the smooth as as Dan likes to say. You know, Robert Welch looked at JFK, who again brought us to the brink of nuclear war and got us into Vietnam in order to fight communism. He looked at JFK. And because JFK was like, I guess we'll will give the civil rights movements some of what they want, Bob Welch was like, that motherfucker's a communist. Time that motherfucker is a communist. So this is not to say. And in fairness to Bob Welch, he did not think that JFK's opponent Richard Nixon was any better to Welch. JFK was a stooge of Walter Reuther, the leader of the United Auto Workers Association, while Nixon was a stooge of New Sin Rockefeller, then the governor of New York. Welch felt that the nineteen sixty election was just a referendum on whether Wreather or Rockefeller would be the boss of the United States under a one world international socialist government. Man that guy did not see Soros coming at all, swinging in to steal both those Yeah, yeah, Sori sorosn opening and he just whoa, yeah, it's very funny. It's very funny how scared people used to be of unions before they got destroyed. So Welch had organized his society into revolutionary cells in order to fight that's international socialist government he believed was taking over the United States. Their primary weapon was the force of perceived public outrage, which they wielded in a variety of ways. From the world of the John Birch Society quote, Welch had in mind for how the John Birch Society might resist the depredations of the communist conspiracy while awakening the apathetic and brain way American people to what was actually going on around them, including the use of front organizations, little fronts, big fronts, temporary fronts, permanent fronts, all kinds of fronts, he wrote, as well as the employment of petitions, massive letter writing campaigns, and other methods of exposure. It was time, Welsch believed, for an organization which has the backbone and cohesiveness and strength and definiteness of direction, to put its weight into the political scales of this country just as fast and as far as we could in order to reverse the gradual surrender of the United States to communism. But because Welch always saw the Birch Society as an educational organization as much as a political one, he also wanted to establish a speaker's bureau and a national network of reading rooms where the best anti communist books, including his own, could be purchased or consulted, and to expand the reach of conservative periodicals such as American Opinion, the Dan Smoot Report, and William F. Buckley Jr's National Review Until later, Until later, Yeah until later, Yeah, that's He was also one of the first backers of conservative radio broadcasters, which in that period was a guys called named Fulton Lewis and Clarence Mannion. But like he's very much on the cutting edge of like you can you can see what Welch is actually doing here as the first organized start of what became the right wing media sphere that's like now an entire galaxy unto itself. Bob Bursch is the first guy that says, number one, we need this and we need to be tying like radio broadcasters and conservative magazines and and right wing like books together. We need to be building places where right wing thinkers can gather and people can go and find their work. Like this is an important part of actually taking over society and twitter turning it he's described as turning it away from communism. But like he he he foresaw what needed to be done, and he was really the first guy to proceed with doing it. It's like, you do all this stuff because you know that whatever you're doing wouldn't pass muster at like a regular place publisher. You have to create your own industries because what you're doing is is ludicrous, uh, and you want to pass off this ludicrous ship. Yeah, and the right wing always has an inherent advantage there whenever it comes to media because the ideas they want to consolidate thought into a single thing, whereas the left wing media is ostensibly about uh, I guess sharing ideas to see you who can do well. I don't know, but it's it's a it's a way of creating a unified thought process for all of these right wing people's yeah, yeah, it's good ship. And he's you know, he's a real good ship. It's either good ship or cult ship of the Oh you said cult ship. That's what I heard. It's a trail blazer. You gotta give him that, you know, he blazes a trail, a bad trail. It's a trail to like it's a trail to like one of those like somebody's septic tank has like flooded into a depression in the earth and created like a little lake of feces. Like it's a trail to a ship lake. But it is a trail that he is blazed. He had machete his way through some underbrush to get to that poop. Like. One of the one of the things I loved about that quote you just read was the idea that he's talking about how they have to create all these front groups and you know like that in particular because I've read a bunch of John Birch materials and people who are associated with them, and one of the hallmarks of their accusations is that everything is a front group for communism, and they never prove any of it. It's always just everything as a front group. And I think a lot of that comes out of the like awareness of yeah, like this is the mentality that we have. We have to create front groups of people. Don't associate this with us. Yeah, it's it's a it's a great ideas. Whenever you're like, we can't let anybody know about these, it's simultaneously a tactic and something that I think happens just it happens automatically when you're doing that. Like number one, it's a tactic because if you accuse people of what you're doing, it distracts and justifies your actions. But also if you're doing that sort of ship, you assume everyone else is because you don't want to you don't want to have your are we of the baddies moment, and also you want to think it's a good idea, so your enemy has to use the good idea. They can't be doing something. I mean, it's objectively state exactly. The thing is like part of why I didn't push back normally when I read about one of my you know, bastards being a child prodigy, I pushed back because they're usually dumb as shit. This is a good idea, it works like it took a long time. It didn't happen in Bob Bocha's lifetime, but his plan worked very well. That's true. That's true, Like you happen to be you gotta give it up to the Somali pirates. Every ye, you just got to give it up to the Somali pirates. He didn't probably come up with a ton of all of this though, like he's yeah, you can figurehead of a lot of it. But like a lot of those early CEOs from the National Association of Manufacturers, probably I would suspect had a bit more to do with some of the crafting of these ideas. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say exact because the there obviously secret conversations between men plotting and secret um. None call that a conspiracy, None would dare call that a conspiracy. But I do think, like obviously, like the fact that welch, the fact that he got people together in a he got right wing moneyed interests together. Two incide in a concerted way. We have to forcibly tilt this culture right, and it's going to be a mix of tactics, including creating a propaganda empire that sounds oddly similar to some country I remember right around, Yeah, a country that Bob Welch probably would have been pretty happy and pretty course, you know, yeah, I don't know, you know, it's it's it's hard to say how much because like, obviously you get the like you look at Fred Coke, remember the John Birch Society. Fred Coke's kids go on to do more effectively what Bob Welch tried to do his whole life. Were they copying Bob Welch or were they copying their fathers? Who the guy who gave Bob Wot's the idea? We don't. I don't really know. But also Fred Cooke didn't stay around for all that long with no he made the best decision of his life and died. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I made the best decision of our lives. Yeah, I feel like I remembered something of him, like trying to distance himself at some point. Yeah, a number of Yeah, I believe he did. When like it became well, we'll talk about that, like the John Birch Society, you know, reaches its sell by date. So the campaign against Justice Earl Warren convinced many pundits and politicos that the John Birch Society was just as bad as the totalitarian communists they opposed. An editorial in the Chicago Sun Times described the content of many letters sent by their followers his evidence of brainwashing, which it was, you know, they're they're flooding people with letters that all sound the same, that all include the same sound bites. And it's not because they're being like a lot of people think like, oh my god, they must have centralized a letter writing campaign. And I think it's more that all of these people are reading the same propaganda. You know. Um. Now, because the United States has always been the United States, there were those who are willing to stand up in public and defend the John Birch Society. South Carolina Democrat Mindel Rivers said they were justified because the Supreme Court's decision in Brown versus the Board of Education was effectively the death knell of the Constitution. No no, No, I'm just a simple Southan Democrat, but I think slavery is a great idea. If black people go to school, do we really have a country? So Welch was definitely a trail blazer in how to weaponize far right rage and the moral majority in its successors, like the Tea Party essentially used John Birch tactics in order to get off the ground. You can see variants of these tactics and the far right's use of social media today. The idea behind it all remains the same. You try to popularize a fringe idea by setting off a blizzard of generated outrage that has the effect of making your cause seem more popular than it is. You know, in the nineteen six these it's get thousands of John Berger's to write letters to the same handful of politicians. Nowadays it's flood comments sections and whatnot with like you know, hot takes and ship It's it's swarmed people on Twitter or whatever. But it's the same idea, um and if you just repeats something loud enough and often enough enough, people will believe it's true that you can move forward with it. Yeah, it's the reason that human society is destined to go increasingly better places. Yep, so uh. Welch was also a trailblazer when it came to infecting the minds of children with his nonsense. In September of nineteen sixty he started advising his followers to get elected to local PTA boards all around the country. That way they'd have a say in how their children were taught about history and politics, and then give them candy. Yeah, hey, kids, you want to Papa sucker, get on over here. You know who's trying to keep the Papa suckers away from you, Oh Joe Stalin. In August of nineteen sixty one, Welch announced a John Birch Society essay contest open to undergraduate students around the nation. The author of the best essay on why Earl Warren should be impeached would win in price money. Oh yeah, you really can't. And again, the fact that he hates Earl Warren more than he's hated anyone else in his life is just because of Brown versus the Board of Education. There's a there's a long chain and string and recurring theme that you'll always see throughout all this is like severe opposition to civil rights, just being created around is against communists. You can make an extremely strong case that the entire modern right wing was born out of a desire to stop black people from going to write white schools, because the Moral Majority's primary founding goal was to stop Oral Roberts University from having to take black students. Like that was like the main reason that the Moral Majority started. Like it's all it all comes back to, why can't we just have white people in our rich kids schools? Good stuff. So, but Welch told The New York Times his goal was to quote stir up a great deal of interest among conservatives on the campuses of the dangers that faced this country. And you can see this as essentially a precursor to something like turning point USA right. He felt that US colleges were filled with Marxists and he wanted to try and encourage conservative thinking among young college dudes. So he started like giving people thousands of dollars to write essays about white Earl Warren as the devil. So it's a racist to the bottom. If you only if only he hadn't got Frankfurter, if I like, everything could have been different if you just had a different professor that he didn't fight with a man. Another reason. Hot dogs make me feel sick. Come on, now, come on, here we go. So do you have a rimshot sound? She wouldn't even give me air horns anymore. So, uh yeah. The good news about Welch's plan to infect the minds of college students is that back in the nineteen sixties at least a few things about America were actually better. And he was met by stiff resistance from all sides for trying to infect the minds of impressionable children. So that's nice he actually push back on that's uh. I presume whenever they were like, well, we should not send our kids to colleges at all anymore and we should a home school them. Yeah, I think a lot of that has its genesis, and this to be honest. The president of the Bar Association condemned Robert Welch for the contests personal vilification of one of the chief officers of our government. Roscoe Drummond, and nationally syndicated columnist called the society radical and reckless. The early nineteen sixties were also a period in which the mainstream media increasingly turned its eyes towards the John Birch Society. Maybley's investigation had sort of opened the floodgates. In early nineteen sixty one, the Santa Barbara News Press published an investigation. The reporter Hans Eng wrote that the group had started at a cell in Santa Barbara the previous year, operating in semi secret existence and creating several chapters. Because most reporters have always been somewhat derivative things piece mostly focused on the politician and Welch's wacky theories about Eisenhower, because that was the stuff that was easiest to mock. Meanwhile, the more insidious work the John Birch Society did drew little attention to his credit. Ang did report that in September of nineteen sixty Welch advised his members to take over local p t A s The Post News as editor, A guy named Thomas Stork spent the next several months authoring a series of damning editorials about the society, stating that democracy suffers when fear of communism leads to irresponsible, unsubstantiated charges of treason or evil connivance against our political, religious, educational, or cultural leaders, and that traders should be dealt with by the courts not by vigilante groups. That's good. Did he end that with which we learned from ten years ago when McCarthy did it. We just did this guy, and we'll still be learning in twenty will go. Let's talk to John Birch Society members and let them loudly and lengthily explain their beliefs without any pushback. Yeah, yeah, let's pretend we haven't done this already. Put him on Rogan. Yeah. At least at this point in time, journalists were like, you know, critical of fascists. So so, Mr Welch, you you let candy. That's all you're known for, right, candy candy? Yeah? Yeah, so I offer you a junior mint. Time magazine wrote the most damning article about the Society in the early nineteen sixties, claiming that it operated under the hard boiled, dictatorial direction of one man, and pointing out that due to the Society's proven ability to organize its members and push them to considered action, they could not simply be dismissed as some sort of comic opera joke. Time magazine dubbed the politician Welch's mind comp and noted with fear that it's militant words and thoughts are barely a goose step away from the formation of goon squads. Time used to be Good magazine named Hitler man of the year. So what will come on, man? I mean he was the man of a couple of years. Like, let's be fairy here he was on the cover. The time is basically nazis. Yeah, so they should like the politician. Maybe they were saying this in a positive It is the politician the man of the year back in this time. Maybe they're saying that it's here in a complimentary way. Is the best seller? Finally the new mine cop Uh. While the campaign to impeach Earl Warren fizzled out without any sort of success, around nineteen sixty two, Fewer Over the John Birch Society sparked calls in Congress for an investigation into the group over fur over there, come on, now, get that get that sound effect, a little little, little, little fewer joke there. So this actually led several of uh like the fact that like all of this, you know, media comes out about the society forces several of its members who were highly placed in government, to go public basically to get ahead of news cycles, revealing that their secret John Birch Society members. One of these guys is Representative Edgar high Stand, Republican from California. Uh. He identifies himself as a member of the society in March thirty, and he outs one of his fellow Californians are Republican congressman named John Russelo as a member as well. Both men say that they're like because there's also calls to investigate the society in this period because a lot of people are freaked out, and rightfully so, and we as yeah, they're weird as hell, and both of these guys are like, we would love to be investigated. Please investigate us. Um. I think one of them actually jumped out of a window whenever he was caught at a twenty four person communist orgy. I'm pretty sure that's Isn't that how that one went to a h getting it in there? Dad, Like I would love this, Like there's hey, we're fine, anybody can investigate us, but I should tell you that anybody who does is probably going to be called a communist. Yeah, and it's it's fun because like a lot of people are like, we should investigate these people, and the John Birch Society is like, yes, please investigate us. And then like the Rabbinical Council of America is like, they should be investigated, but not publicly because all you're gonna do is give them a big court platform to like let them ran to the country. Done, they will they remembered, let's say they remembered some ship that had happened like fifteen years ago ago. Hey, you know that thing that just finished happening. Maybe not, maybe we shouldn't let that happen immediately again. And thankfully, you know, there's not massive like they don't get their gigantic national platform in the way that they kind of hope there. So at that point, again, people, we're smarter about some things back then. Now, Throughout this whole period of time, the John Burt Society grew and grew, signing up thousands of new members each year. All the sunlight of attention did not eradicated. 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Congressmen come out saying there with the John Birch Society, and suddenly they're kind of like on the verge of breaking into the main stream. And this is very exciting to the worst people on the right who suddenly have I feel like they have an excuse to be even shittier. Uh and it's very frightening for people on the left. One of those people is a little guy you might have heard of named Bob Dylan. In May of nineteen sixty three, he wrote a song about the John Birch Society titled Talking about John Birch Society Blues. He planned that play the song on the Ed Sullivan show, which was going to be his first televised appearance anywhere, so like a big stone. Yeah, he was gonna be on and he this. He decides, I'm gonna play a song about how bad the John Birch Society is for my first moment Nirvana raped me on SNL moment. Yeah yeah, But CBS Standards and Practices worried that the song was controversial, and they told Bob Dylan he could know what. We don't know what offend the fascists. Yeah, we don't don't these guys who were basically Nazis. And I will say this for Bob Dylan, in an act of actual courage, he refused to go on the Ed Sullivan Show at all rather than be censored. Um, so that's fun. Yeah, he turns down his first TV appearance because they're not probably worried about insulting or offending the fascist as much as they're aware that these people are also the heads of industry. Yeah, their boss is a member of the fascist in a way, yeah, in a way. So for years after this point, Bob Dylan would play the song every time he did a concert, just as like a Now that's less. I don't think he does it anymore because most people be like, who the hell are you talking about? And He's like, the people who are running things now, you morons. Never like the title of that song. I thought it was a little clunky, but it is. It's not a great song. Like look, Bob Dylan has had an arc to his career and he was not his you know, yeah, yeah, there's I'm not a giant Bob Dylan fan, to be honest, but I would prefer a Gordon Lightfoot cover of the John app That'd be a fun eleven minute interlude just singing the entire the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald instrumental breaks well. The story begins in China. Later, as money and members flowed into the John Birch Society, Bob Welch continued to experiment with new ways to make use of the instrument he had so successfully built. The letter writing campaign hadn't achieved its goal, but it had proven to him that he could effectively mobilize his followers to real world act, and following in that vein, he decided to embark on his most ambitious project yet, a massive crowdsource list of every communist agent in the country. He told readers, making lists of names is a great idea, crowdsourcing real democracy ship right there. You really don't want to vet any one of those names? Well, it's I mean, it's how you create the best list. Yes, it is also echoes of Bill Cooper in this, you know, echoes of his like a Caddy or whatever he called it, the citizens and Cadgy, the Citizens Intelligence, echoes of Alex Jones in this. Yeah, Welch told readers in the bulletin, we wished to build up and have available for all future research needs, the most complete and accurate files in America of the leading com simps communist sympathizers, socialists, and liberals on those who are trying to change the economic and political structure of this country so that it could be comfortably merged with Soviet Russia in a one world socialist government. And since we do not yet see any chance of putting a sufficiently sizeable staff to work on this job, we have decided to make use of the energy, knowledge libraries, pamphlet collections, determination and dedication of our members instead. So smart, that's so smart with these right wing conspiracies like you turn it into that augmented reality game like a game before they had any idea. Now we've got citizens Sleuth's dealing with the true crime podcasts. But it's fucking anti communist liars. So yeah, it's fucking awesome. And he estimated there about three hundred to five d thousand actual communists in the country and another million dupes, allies and sympathizers. Those numbers are not at all made up. He did not just pull them completely out of his asshole. As nineteen sixty four came, the John Birch Society was at the apex of its power and influence. It was still widely reviled and condemned by most mainstream Democrats and Republicans, as well as basically all of the media, but its first six years of life had proved that there was a strong hunger for the outright fascist politics and violent anti left rhetoric of Bob Welch, and in the nineteen sixty four elections, the nascent far right was about to get its first viable presidential camp at it in a fella named Barry Goldwater. He's good, he's good, he is a good dude. Well, I mean, what's wild is that he's basically a Democrat today but we'll talk about that at the right. Goldwater No, Barry Goldwater was an arch conservative senator from Arizona. He was elected for the first time in nineteen fifty two, and for an idea of the kind of spot he occupies in the conservative canon. Goldwater was directly succeeded in his job by John McCain, who praised Goldwater as the man who transformed the Republican Party from an eastern elitist organization to the breeding ground for the election of Ronald Reagan. I like that he uses credit to John McCain ground makes it sound as creepy and terrible as it is. Like I don't think he meant to use the right word there, but he didn't convey the right feeling. I want to. I want to congratulate this man on creating a cesspool of the best pa. He really, he really made like a bacterial tide pool of filth that Ronald Reagan congeald out of and vomited his way into the national consciousness. And I think that's great. I'm John McCain. I've crashed so many more planes than most people ever fly on and wives all right, Hey, So one thing that's important to keep in mind when we talk about the Republicans of the nineteen fifties and sixties is that the Deep South used to be a Democratic stronghold. It started to switch during lbj's time in office, and one of the reasons why it switched was old Berry g When he announced his campaign in January of nineteen sixty four, Goldwater was literally in crutches from a recent bonespur operation. He made headlines for being one of the first, if not the very first, modern presidential candidates to launch a campaign from his house. The New York Times spent most of the page spade of its article of this discussing how his wife had prepped for the big day to give you an idea of where Barry stood on the issues. On October sixteenth of that year, he gave a speech in the Midwest where he stated, in his first major talk on civil rights, forced integration, it's just as raw misforced segregation. Hey, here we go, all right, what's really great is kind of lightly ignored segregation. That's the sweet spot in the middle. Right there, we have segregation, and removing it would be as bad as having it. So let's just keep having it. Yeah, don't throw the baby out with the racist bathwater. Come on, It's like showing up at the site of like a shooting while a paramedic is putting on a tourniquet and being like, hey, man, putting that tourniquet on the same as shooting a man. So from the New York Times quote, he called the busting of school children and other measures to in de facto segregation morally wrong and said that busting was an example of doctrinaire and misguided equalitarianism. I love the misguided you know, misguided equalitarian These people think that they want equality and they're just crazy about it. They're just those misguided fools. Their hearts are in the right place, I swear, Yuh. I know how Barry Goldwater made a bunch of his money. He invented underpants that had ants on them, called ants in my Pants. And I do know that. I actually do know that. I read that mark you did, but I I it's how can you think that that's true? Yeah, he invented novelty underpants in his younger days and made a whole bunch of money on him. And now I can't just say Trump is a psychopath because he's got a whole rule named after him. That's amazing. Yeah, the Goldwater because you can't psychoanalyze someone because they all called him crazy, which he was not. Um, he was just a piece of shit. It's just all the things he believed were no Like, yeah, they're not. Though. If you're the kind of guy who got rich selling ants in your pants, the things like Barry Goldwater's country is going to make things better for you know, it's fair, it's just worse for everyone who didn't get selling ants pants. God, that's so fucking I know all of the people who like are the most gung ho about the free market are also the ones who have contributed the least impressive things to it. Right, But I mean you think it was it was a different time. Novelty underpants back then might have been revolutionary. That's possible. That's actually why nineteen sixte had so many protests and revolutions. It was ants pants. Maw never would have come to power without those underpants. It was I'm sorry, I just had to look this up just to be sure. It was antie pants. Was Jesus fucking Christ? Okay, as cute as very Goldwater Sophie God, I want I want visual No, I hate all these immediately. I want to see novelty underwear. Wait, no, I don't think that's a good idea. So I'm gonna quote now from Politico. Even though Welsh understood racism and bigotry would hurt his cause, the John Birch Society's opposition to the Civil rights movement attracted Americans sympathetic to racist paranoia. For example, it consistently published reports accusing civil rights leaders of communists aversion and alleging that people of color were plotting to divide the country and control the world. So, yeah, that Goldwater. He has to like thread a little bit of a needle here because the John Bird Society is too controversial even among Republicans for him to embrace them. But they have created an incredibly organized and effective like way of terrifying people on the right about communism and about civil rights, and so he can't ignore them either. Um, you don't want to become their enemy and then be called a communist. But at the same time, you don't want people to think you're their champion. Yeah, you don't want to be Steve King. Yeah, you don't want to be You don't want to go full Steve King even at this point. Yeah. So Goldwater wrote a best selling book called The Conscience of a Conservative, and it can be seen is basically the blueprint for Reagan style conservatism, even Trump is um travelty book. If it was just empty, Yeah, it would be a great thing to give for Christmas gift. Yeah, I mean it is. It is very vacant the actual morality, like for an example of the conscience that Barry Goldwater like says. One of the reasons how Barry Goldwater like one of the reasons why he explains that like civil rights laws are immoral is because the government shouldn't infringe on the right of free association, um, which is the right to discriminate. You know, yeah yeah now uh yeah. So Goldwater publishes this book, it's like a surprise bestseller. Mainstream Republicans like start falling in love with this guy's rhetoric, which is basically just ten calmed down John Birch society rhetoric. Um and yes, yeah, yeah exactly. Um. And you know, Goldwater is really kind of like the he's kind of like the typhoid Mary of of of of John Birch society philosophy. He brings it into the mainstream, um, cloaked in you know, ethical conservatism or whatever the fuss, you know, it's it's great, And there were, in fairness to some of the Republicans at this time, there were Republicans in the period of time who like recognized what Goldwater was doing and condemned it openly. The Republican governor of Pennsylvania described him as having a crazy quilt of dangerous positions, uh, including the use of tactical nuclear weapons for basically any reason. Why would anybody think that was crazy? Yeah, he was. He was a big like like Goldwater's big thing was that generals should be allowed to deploy nuclear weapons in the field. Um, because because if they can't, then everyone knows they can't make that decision and then where are Yeah, yeah, like we should he like Goldwater like, one of the things he would say about nukes is that they're just another weapon. They are not Barry, I'm sorry, did you miss everything that happened the last twenty years. No, I've got this button that sets off every volcano in the world at the same time, and that's just a normal everyday weapon, like a handgun. Yeah, you just have it right there. It's like a stick. Yeah, there's the caveman could have exploded all the volcanoes on the plane at the same time. They would have done. Okay. So, like Trump, Goldwater you know, comes in like like swings onto the political stage saying very very fringe and extreme things and gets condemned by a bunch of Republicans and everybody who's not a Republican. And also, like Trump, none of this stops his him from succeeding politically, and he defeats all of his more traditional conservative rivals, including Nelson Rockefeller um, and becomes the nominee in that year's Republican Convention. I put him on the like sort of the scale of like more successful than Ron Paul, but not as successful as Trump. Not as successful as Trump, but definitely and he's critical. He's the key to both Trump and Reagan having space. I think Bush both Bushes probably would have been able to win an election either way because they're kind of more traditional conservatives, which isn't a compliment but no, just kind of a fact about them both. Um, Goldwater is really a Reagan slash fucking um Trump style politician. Um. And you know the reason he beat all of his more traditional conservative rivals is that he was able to build a coalition of working class people. Uh. Most of his voters were Southerners, Midwesterners, and Libertarians who felt left behind by the GOP. He railed against Eastern elites, saying at one point, sometimes I think this country would be better off if we could just saw off the eastern seaboard and let it float out to sea, which you know is the same thing here today. Yeah. Yeah. They also add the West coast too, though, Yeah, they do. They add the West coast, And I would only say do that to Florida and like bugs bunny. Yeah, but a little start on start on the east side and moved west and one of the Carolinas. But we can let him fight it out. One of you can stay. I just feel like we only need one Carolina. Raleigh's great. Yeah, yeah, so well I know which side here? Backing then, no, I'm not so very Goldwater. Yeah yeah, So Goldwater succeeds, you know, more than any other extreme right politician ever had up to that point in American political history. And he was only able to succeed because the John Birch Society had paved the way. Um, he owed a lot of his early success in the fact that he won the party nomination to the machinery that the Society had put in place. Um yeah. Rick Perlstein, in a two tho one book on the Goldwater campaign, explained that Goldwater would take the line that Robert Welch was a crazy extremist, but that the society itself was full of fine, upstanding citizens working hard and well for cause of Americanism. The Goldwater Campaign made liberal use of the Society's large pool of dedicated and disciplined manpower, which now numbered more than ninety thousand. In effect, Robert Welch had spent years creating a nationwide grassroots movement for Barry Goldwater. The Society spent millions of dollars buttressing Goldwater support and spreading his and their ideas to whole new segments of American society. It worked to win Barry the nomination over men like Nelson Rockefeller the Jeb Bush of his age from Politico quote in nineteen sixty four, Backing from the John Birch Society and Republican primaries such as California, secured the right wing backed candidate Barry Goldwater's Republican presidential nomination, all those little old ladies and tennis shoes that you called right wing nuts and cooks. Goldwaters organizational head reportedly told him about the campaign volunteers who appeared to be Birch sympathizers. They're the best political organization that's ever been put together. So for a few years, I think I think Rockefeller actually lost it immediately whenever he came out with his new slogan, which was just rock with an exclamation point. That was the one that got him Nelson. So Goldwater was a sensation on the right. His rallies drew unprecedented numbers of people. His followers were more like fans than political supporters. At one point, a supporter in Georgia famously created a soft drink based on the candidate, Goldwater, the right drink for the conservative tastes. Barry, a very blunt man, drink it in front of a crowded a rally and spit it out, saying, this taste like piss. All right, Now, there's one thing that I like about him. Five Yeah, that is pretty great. Great, that's pretty great, gold Water. I don't know, that's impolite. This guy made a soft drink for you. Barry just have the grace to be like it's good. Yeah, doesn't take like piss at all. That's why they like him. He tells it how it is, Dan, Do you know how much work goes into making a soft drink and a lot of that one not that much sugar. Goldwater regularly packed in a dozen rallies per day, flying around the country. In his Boeing seven seven, he framed himself as a law and order candidate, telling supporters something must be done and done immediately. To swing away from the subsessive concern for the rights of the criminal defendant, he told another audience that in order to defeat lawlessness, he would redress constitutional interpretation in favor of the public, presumably by appointing judges who didn't believe defendants had rights. One of Goldwater's more famous quotes can be seen as a precursor to both the kind of sociopathic libertarianism practiced by Charles Coke and the ideology of Ronald Reagan. Quote. I have little interest in streamlining government or making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I wish to extend freedom Oh, I was assuming that your quote was going to be something along the lines of like the thirteenth Amendment in the law all slavery. Guys. Come on, you know what that means. You know what I'm saying, Come on, guys. Slavery is really just an arrangement between an employer and an employer. When you think about it, and when the government doesn't allow that, that's the real slavery. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, because that makes the would be slaves and the would be a person who's enslavers. Yeah, exactly to think about it. Ye. So you know, Goldwater didn't give Welch everything he wanted because he didn't like endorse that Eisenhower was a dirty communist, But he was basically the best candidate that the John Birch Society could have possibly had. He even offered qualified support of their campaign to impeach Earl Warren, and best of all, he was willing to new communists. So, you know, really like a great, great dude. Now, doesn't feel like you should only need one policy if your entire philosophy is just anti communism, shouldn't your one philosophy just be like new communists? And then we'll then we'll sort everything well, I mean literally and then metaphorically. That's kind of what this policies were. Yeah, it's it's it's good stuff. Um. Yeah. So Goldwater energizes a new Republican base that had never particularly felt like it had a voice in politics before, which was not really a good thing, and it terrified a lot of you know, the more intelligent observers at the time. One of the people who was fucking horrified watching the rise of Barry Goldwater was a young Hunter S. Thompson. Hunter was there at the nineteen sixty four R and C on assignment as a stringer together quotes from Republican politicians. It wasn't even like writing articles at this point. It was like that early in his career. He was just gathering quotes for his editors to use. But Hunter had an old friend who had got an attempt job as a pinkerton who was we're doing security for the convention, and Hunter's buddy gave him security credentials. So he was basically like hanging out in v I P Rooms drinking Barry Goldwater's liquor. Um. Uh, now he was he was pounding dexidrin at that point, Hunter was terrified. Hunter. Hunter was terrified of Goldwater, who he saw us a fascist with a real chance of winning election and you know, killing a lot of people. Thompson was well versed in the John Birch Society's talking points, and he was one of a few people in the country to foresee the dark right word lurch that the Republican Party was beginning to take. He was also mainlining huge doses of speed every day, and so he was pretty paranoid, uh, which is why he writes the next thing, uh that he writes about this. Yeah, so Thompson, you know, is there when Barry Goldwater gives his a speech, and his speech in the nineteen sixty four um RNC includes the quote I would remind you that extremism and defensive liberty is no vice. That's like the most famous Barry Goldwater quote. And he just has this like pounding, unreal effect on the audience. Um. Thompson writes later quote, uh, that he was actually feeling afraid because I was the only person not clapping and shouting, and I was thinking, God, damn you Nazi bastards. I really hope you win it, because letting your kind of human garbage flood the system is about the only real way to clean it out. Another four years of I would have brought on national collapse, but one year of gold Water would have produced a revolution. Uh, we've, we've. That might not be the Yeah, no, I think he was optimistic. Yeah, that might not do it. That might not do it. It might just turn out a lot of people are fine with fascism. I remember a lot of people saying that the lead up to that election. Ye. No, I think the sad story about all this is that Thompson was right about the danger of bury gold Water, but optimistic about Americans. Yeah. It's not something you usually hear about. No, optimistic to a fault. Uh you know who isn't optimistic to a fault? Do tell the good people who make four oh nine my new favorite happy time beverage. Four oh nine. Grab a glass of relaxation. Oh boy, we're back. So Hunter S. Thompson was not accurate about Americans, you know, getting horrified at a glimpse of fascism, But he was was right about the fact that Goldwater was not an outlier. Richard Nixon, the next Republican president, would turn out to be the most liberal Republican of the modern era. Every other Republican president who followed him was cut out of Barry Goldwater's mold, which means they were in fact cut from the same mold as the John Birch Society. Ronald Reagan, of course, gave a massively popular speech at the nineteen sixty four convention providing a full throated endorsement of Goldwater's foreign policy and his promise to shrink government. During his own run for president in nineteen eighty, Reagan directly aped Goldwater by stating that the most terrifying words in the English language were I'm from the government and I'm here to help. As a write up in history dot Com notes quote. By the dawn of the New Century, Tea Party members drew heavily on Goldwater's libertarian policies in shaping the Geo Peace platform, disparaging not only liberal elites but any fellow Republicans who still believed in the kind of compassionate conservatism preached by George H. W. Bush. The list of companies and industries that the government is crowding out and bailing out and taking over it continues to grow. The former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin told a two thousand ten gathering of Tea Party Republicans. Historian Alan Nevins of Columbia University, a student of American politics and history, and a two time Pulitzer winner for his political biographies, saw the writing on the wall. If Goldwater and his supporters stuck to their guns, there will be in effect a new Conservative Party. And that's what happened. Yeah, Nail's good stuff, right on, buddy, I I think you can take some smallest and getting a good I told you so in there before you're hung for being a leftist. Yeah, that's all right, That's that's the one upside you get to being a left Yeah. Yeah, that's what. Get a little bit of smugness before you're shot down by the Stapo. We don't get any power, but we get a nice exit line at a firing line. Yeah. Yeah, man, the best exit lines at a The only people who really have good responses to getting shot by a line of fascists are yeah, you know what, you know what I'm thinking about. It's really interesting is that like in the earlier days, you know, like when the John Birch Society was all going and stuff, you'd have these, you'd have those elected representatives who would have to come out as members after they had already been elected, whereas like during the Tea Party, they actually got people elected full with full knowledge of like they are part of this, Like those people may not have gotten elected people known they were John Birch people to them. Yeah, and now everyone's fighting over themselves to announce that they're a member of whatever the new most extreme sect of the Republican Party is. Yeah, that doesn't indicate progress to me. Tragic tragic optimist Hunter S. Thompson really really got that one wrong. Yeah, uh so, Yeah, the John Birch Society gave birth to Barry gold Water, who gave birth to a new Republican Party, the Party of Reagan, of George W. Bush and eventually of Donald J. Trump. But in nineteen sixty four, the John Birch Society's politics were still a tad to fringe for mainstream success. Lb J successfully painted Goldwater is something of a lunatic who would bring about nuclear apocalypse, which is part of why lb J won that election. Is very famous, daisy ad, you look it up. That's about like Goldwater is going to kill your children in nuclear hell fire. It wasn't wrong though it wasn't He was not wrong. He was wrong, and lb J did did win that election and went on to do nothing problematic or violent himself. So J yeah, yeah, come on, President of Peace, Civil Rights Act. We forget everything else he did. Come on, That's that's dick. He nicknamed his dick Jumbo, though he did in his famed slogan was no child ever had their skin burned off because of lb J. You know what, I don't know what he'd put when he'd wake up in the morning, He'd put Jumbo in his an UH rapid in there. The John Birch Society began to fade and influence and bleed members after the nineteen sixty four elections. UH. In nineteen sixty seven, The Saturday Evening Post published an article entirely focused around the society's decline. It's numbers, they said, had peaked in nineteen sixty five at ninety five thousand, and by sixty seven it was down to eighty thousand or so. Several high profile congressional members stepped back from their duties and resigned entirely. The Post noted the society has also been plagued with an internal crisis over anti Semitism, and it has been shelled from other sectors on the political right as an embarrassment to the conservative cause. Asked if the Birch Society weren't better than nothing as an anti communist roullying point, National Review editor William Buckley said, no, it's worse than nothing. William Buckley. Buckley was also like, and I hope they never invent something called the Internet, because that should will come right back. Yeah. Well, and it's the kind of it's funny because like Buckley is the good guy in this story because he realizes fairly early on that the John Birch Society are dangerous people and ex commune dicates them to the best of his ability. Also big backer of Rhodesia. No, the John people is a very very insane people. But I do believe in white nations. Yes, of course, I think they are entirely White nations. Had common cause on that because they believe that the Rhodesia, you know, fighting for the apartheid state, there was defending the country against communism. Yeah, you know that there was. Yeah, thank god for that, otherwise we would never have gotten Elon musk Here, so some of the Society's earlier backers started to abandon it after the unsuccessful Goldwater campaign. One supporter complained, Welsh has turned what claimed to be a militant anti communist movement into a book selling operation. His notion that the Society is going to save America by getting people to read books is absurd. So they read all the books. What then there's no program? With crises erupting all around the world. Welch talks on and on about the difference between a republican and democracy. I saw no future whatsoever for the Birch Society, and so like it. This take was, however, shortsighted. Robert Welch was right to dedicate the majority of his efforts to writing fascist propaganda, and he was dedicated. Welch wrote every word of the Society's bulletin for years, which by nineteen sixties seven more more than a million published words. The Society spent tens of millions of dollars over the years putting out books and magazines filled with propaganda, and of course, one young boy who grew up on those books was Alexander Emeric Jones. Glenn Beck the most influential ideological founder of the Tea Party, was also raised on John Birch books. In addition to speaking fondly of the society, he urged his millions of viewers to read the work of Cleon scaus In, an anti communist ideologue who was a Bircher himself. Yeah, for a time, he was not fully Birch because too extreme for them at a Yeah, yeah he did. Yeah, you get the feeling that they, you know, they had to walk so that he could leap off of a cliff. Um. Yeah. Scows In, like Jones and like Beck, preached of a secret alliance between capitalists and communists to install a one world government under the guidance of David Rockefeller, which is not that far off from what fucking Robert Welch was saying. It's a bit of a step forward, but not a wild leap. You know, broke, don't fix it right. The John Birch Society is still alive today, and according to some reports, it has grown in the Trump era. One of their modern propaganda videos is called The Dangers of Democracy and defines democracy as mob rule, emphasizing that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. The video ends on a quote attributed to Mausey Dung. Democracies inevitably lead to collectivism, which leads to socialism, which leads to communism, which leads to totalitarianism, which proves that both mausey Dung and Hunter S. Thompson are way too optimists. Yeah, good work, wild eyed Optimists Chairman Mao and Hunter Thompson. Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting how right he was. Welch never lived to know it, but like you can see, like even the like every little one of his like reoccurring lines about like fucking we're a republic not a democracy. Now that ship gets like Senator Mike Lee of Utah repeated that line this year, like arguing why you know we shouldn't accept the results of the election. Um, it's he's right in a sense like he's we are a republic and not a democracy. I meant gold Water with his strategies. I'm sorry, Welch with his strategies like he's I don't think that it's like I don't think you could look at what happened and say he's right in terms of like this is a good way to make stable, competent political movement. But he accidentally created like and stumbled onto a really good idea about how to break people's brains and really make grifts right, really successful. Like he made that pattern really well. It is it is weird to think that there's a progenitor that's so recent. It's like with l Ron Hubbard, where you're like, you can't start a religion if you're if I know you, if you're like a hundred years old, that's that's too close. That's too close. It's the same way with this horrifying Republican Party. It should have been like thousands of years ago that we learned how evil these idiots are, and there's not the way. You know, one of the most one of the biggest bummers to me is that Andrew bright Bart was right about something important, which was his famous quote that politics flows downstream of culture um and Bob Welch is absolutely evidence of that because like like at the time, a bunch of his initial backwards like this is a failure. All you're doing is putting out books in propaganda. And then we like our present Republican Party is so far beyond what Bob Welch could have ever hoped for. Because of that, you know, it's so deeply inspired, whether they know it or not, by those works of propaganda that were put out by Welch and his his dick whole friends assholes. Yeah, it sucks, and we're not even going to get into like the like the Burt John Ver Society talked about the Illuminati a bunch. Robert Welch was a big bully, were in the Illuminati, which is there is a great speech that he gave sort of later in his career at Berkeley that you can find on YouTube that I would really suggest people look up because it's so funny. These kids are just laughing at him. Oh yeah, it's amazing. He's he's trying to be very serious and they are just clowning on him. Well, it's it's satisfying. And there there's there's still so like I found a fun political article about the modern John Bird Society and it talks about like a worksheet for one of the week's video lessons. Uh. And so there's a multiple choice question on it that asks you to identify the Illuminati. Is it a a myth, b an alien race of shape shifters, or see a group founded in the late seventeen hundred seeking world government. One of those seems very specific, almost as though they want you to choose one of those. You know. Also, all of those are right, depending on who you're reading, ending on who's judging the test. Yeah. Bob Welch died in nineteen eighty five, but in the decades since his death, his ideology has conquered the Republican Party. The statements he was mocked for making in the nineteen fifties and sixties are now so popular that elected Republicans dare not push back against them, So that's good. One of the great irenies of this is that the man who was most responsible for acting as a vector of Birchie in ideology to the mainstream, Barry Goldwater, probably would have been horrified by what he helped bring into the world. Because near the end of his life in nineteen Barry Goldwater lobbied to allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military. He was a loud and full throated supporter of abortion rights, and he demanded legalization of medical marijuana. By the standards of Republicans. Now, Verry Goldwater was a fucking Democrat, like Goldie. Yeah, yeah, it's really bad. Like when you read it like, oh, Barry Goldwater died in American terms a liberal. That's not a super inspiring thing. 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