Boy, it's Boston. Robert opening up another episode of the and Drew Tight Bodcayst. Wow, that was incredible. I think I'm gonna try my American accent now. I hope that's not offensive to anybody. I'm I'm Robert Evans. This is the first and only Boston based podcast Behind the Best, more like Behind the Master's like like Massachusetts. It somehow keeps getting worse. I thought that was pretty good. I thought that was pretty good. I would be more offended if I actually liked Boston, which I doubt so. God, it's so bad that I started to my whole face is right, and I've teared up. No. You see a lot of the times we ignore the reddit when we disagree with it, But today the subreddits filled with Bostonians saying my accent is perfect. So I have decided to take that as a mandate to continue speaking in a Boston accent. Well, everybody, this is Behind the Bastards. It's a podcast bad people tell you all about. Oh, I have a Jamie Loftis text that says Butcher Jack Tommy, They're on their way through Deadpool DVDs that you like throwing stars if you do not stop the Boston accent. Well, you know, Jamie is not really from Boston because she's from She's from She's from Huavad and Bracton. Yeah, we don't consider that Baston where I'm from, which is I don't know the parts of Boston. Look, this, this joke was always going to run into the limitation of me not knowing anything about Boston. The Liberty Bell. I'm from the Liberty Bell. So yeah, that's as Boston as it gets. Oh my god, they have a really shitty basketball team. I've heard that about Boston from Bostonians. Yeah. Um, anyway, this is this is behind the Bastards. We are. We are heading into veering into part three of our our epic podcast on Andrew Tate that I and all of you were cruelly forced to make because he suddenly, very suddenly became extremely relevant. Um, and all of all of this, all of our accents, all of our cross talk, is an attempt to distract ourselves from the fact that we unfortunately have to learn a lot more about Andrew Tate and and Sophie. I. I know I'm about to force a terrible, terrible quantity of Andrew Tate videos are editor Ian Johnson, our editor Prints Kickboxing Champion of the World. I'm just mentally preparing myself for a bunch of horrific Andrew TikTok video. So not to mention one half of the DJ group Gladiator, with our very own DJ Daniel. We have the we have the full Gladiator on staff, which is my favorite thing to brag about. All of these things, all of these things are are true. Um, and what's also true is that I have watched hours of Andrew Tate. The people who live with me have been miserable because while I'm cleaning the house, I've just been putting on his eight hour long videos where he tells people how to how to hustle. Yeah, I have broken my brain and now it's time for everyone else to suffer. Which could be the tagline of this show. Honestly. Uh so, yeah, let's let's let's roll into it. But that don't do that to people where all of our money comes from doing the headphones. I am wearing headphones now when you're listening to eight hours of entertain no. See. I mean the whole reason this podcast works and the whole reason that I enjoy doing it is getting to make other people miserable after making myself miserable. So if if I were just hiding all of the Andrew Tate and and experiencing it solo, I wouldn't enjoy it as much as like when one of my friends comes home from a long day of like teaching children at a public school and sees Andrew Tate talking about child labor on on the screen of my TV, and that's just the thing that assaults them as they attempt to destress from their day. I think that's beautiful, Sophie. I guess I know who I owe apologies to on your behalf. Oh everyone, everyone, Sophie. Uh So let's let's get back into it. When we left off there there, Andrew in Tristan Tate's webcam sex business, which was essentially just sex trafficking, had taken off. They had started making a lot of money, um, and they had been forced to flee the United Kingdom after committing a series of sex crimes. Um. So they are in Romania now, Andrew Tate will and he's he's pretty open about this because because after this point he starts to get a lot more active on social media, particularly Instagram, and when he's doing these kind of like videos with his fans where he talks about how he got rich and how to get rich. He'll talk about why he moved to Romania, and his his explanation is, uh, there's sex crime laws are a lot looser there. It's a lot harder to get prosecuted because the government is more corrupt. Um. And while I'm not a rapist, I wanted to go to a place with more freedom to commit sex scribes, which is something a rapist would say, um and as in fact, something a rapist did say. So it was never he was never particularly good at hiding it and and spoilers. It may prove to be a bad idea to taunt the government of the country that you've moved to by calling them corrupt and saying they don't prosecute sex crimes, because Romania does actually have serious problems with sex trafficking. Um. But it turns out a great way to get a government to take a problem seriously is to taunt them and say that they don't care about that problem. When you become incredibly famous for committing crimes, uh, yeah, it's gonna be good. Not not not to be advised, but that's a few years in the future, because for quite a while this happens. He moves around or so and and for years he's very successful there, and he's he's instagramming as he as he starts to buy these supercars, as he starts, you know, hitting the wealth level that he can fly in private jets. He's he's putting all of these videos out. Um, he's engaging in stunts designed to draw attention, like promising to pay fans ten thousand dollars if they show him a good night out partying. Um. That catch was that. So it's just to be clear, all this money is from the website that him and his brother are running, right, That's where it starts coming in from. As we'll get into there. And and to be honest, I'm not going to be able to give anyone a cohesive answer is to act only where all his money comes from because he is a criminal. Um so. But but we know a lot is coming in from the cam business at this point, um enough that he's like, yeah, promising to pay people tin grand if they show him a good night out partying, um, and the catches he's gonna like instagram beating them up if they if they don't show him a good time. One fan took him up on this, and the video has been scrubbed from the internet, but the end of it takes like, I had a bad time, Now you have to fight me. And this dude clearly doesn't want to fight him, and is at one point like here, I have to take my watch off, and so like Andrew looks away and then he just bolts and runs. It's like a beat from a fucking jet apatat movie. Um. And it works incredibly well on Andrew Tate because he is We're about to get into some of the smarter stuff he did, but he's not not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Um. So that's fun. Two thousand fourteen, I think, is the year that the Tate brothers actually became millionaires. I found a compilation of Instagram footage from that time and a a YouTube channel called the tape pill. Um let me breathe in your sorrow Sophie. That fuels me miss the Boston accent. Yeah, see that that was the plan all along, get you to miss the Boston Um. This Instagram footage of his like first year as a millionaire's all shots of him driving expensive supercars, of the brother's partying of piles of cash inside of vehicles, and like there's a lot of videos of piles of cash, of women like cleaning for him. He's also really obsessed with showing like servants cleaning up for him while he does his videos. Um. But Tate's overall image, the way he presents himself is quite different at this point. Um. In one shot, we see him with a bunch of young women outside of a hotel or something. He's got a full head of hair, and he's wearing like a pink polo shirt and shorts. He looks like a frat brother, um, which is not the look that he goes for. He's kind of going for more of like a sex criminal James Bond, which also you might just call like regular James Bond if he went shirtless more often in his his kind of modern ship. But he's he's he's definitely just kind of he's kind of basic still at this point, Um, Yeah, which I found kind of interesting. In another shot from this compilation of photos and footage, which I again I took from a channel called the Tate Pill, we see a young woman with Tate's girl written across her chest and sharpie. Later on, there's a woman with Tates with Tate's written on her as like a tattoo. Um, this is a thing that you should keep in mind because it's going to be relevant later and Sophie, I put a picture in there of the lady with Tate's girl written. No, no, no, no, let him let him see, let him, let him take this in. Alright, I'm ready. Yeah, yeah, you got that in. You're feeling good. And I was happy he wouldn't make me show this too. Uh okay, yeah, yeah, now that feels bad, but okay, let's keep lying. Yeah bad, you don't say this whole thing is just giving me like Dan Blazarian vibes. I feel like he like saw a bunch of Dan Blazarian videos on the internet, was like I want that, and then he just started doing it. Are you familiar with Dan Blasarian? Oh yes, yes, Dan Bilzerian who was like this big right wing muscle gun influencer until he was present at that mass shooting in Vegas and ran away rather than render ring aid to any of the injured people. Yeahah, that guy, Dan Bilzerian, great guy. Um, yeah, I mean think the difference is that Tate would never have had a problem with running away from a mass shooting because a big part of his brand is you should only look out for yourself and fuck everybody else. Um, So he could, he would not have had he would not have had trouble handling that situation. UM. That video compilation of Tate and his brother when they first become millionaires is like thousands of video compilations of the Tates that literally the Internet, and watching those compilations because he's been d platform so much, is basically the only way to consume a lot of Tate's content, And if you you know, want to consume a lot of Tate content for some reason, he's been d platform for most places. We actually just lost a video we're going to play in here, So the easiest way to find old episodes of Tate speech, your various interviews is compilation videos like the one I found of pictures of him when he was first got his millions. Um. That's something to keep in mind because it's going to be more relevant later. It's elevant evidence of the kind of strategy that he actually used to get as famous as he is. UM. But first we need to get into more of his back story. So in two thousands sixteen, Mr Tate became a contestant on Big Brother, the UK reality show. Um, well, I guess the UK version of Big Brother, right. I think there's a bunch of versions of it. I don't know, I've never watched Big Brother. Um, but he was on the UK version of it, and um, I don't understand the rules of the show. But he came in as another housemate, which means he had to get voted to housemates status or some ship. He had to basically like socially engineer his way to being able to stay on the show. And so he made a big deal about being a strategizer and how he had this like elaborate strategic plan to get on the house. But before whatever plan that was came to fruition, footage leaked of him whipping a woman. Um. Yeah, I mean this is one of those ones that I'm a little like unsure of because I've I've seen the footage and like it's unpleasant. He claims that it is was a consensual, kinky sex act, and so does the woman that he was whipping. Um, And just based on the video that might be true. Of this specific video again, we know he's been physically abusive. There's a lot of evidence of that. We know that he's committed. This specific video may actually have been a kink thing, which is why I'm not playing it because I just I don't think that kind of thing should be played. So instead, let's watch a little clip of Andrew Tate on Big Brother. Um. I think that's going to give people a little bit better of a context of this guy and how he was presenting himself in two thousand and sixteen. Sophie, I've just put the link into the chat. Yeah, we're gonna this this This will be a good time for everybody, and much more pleasant than that video. Regardless of what the truth is of the video. You take from twenty nine years old, and I'm a four times Kickbooksing World champion. I see myself as smarter than average. I was a chess champion from a very young age and Major three. My biggest tool is that I'm I'm not afraid of anything I have. Don't need the money, I don't want to be fair, I don't want any of that. So I'm gonna be the most emotionally controlled person in the house. Is Big Brother Time is up Andrew, confirm the character trait you have all chosen and targeted, and explain your reasons. The chosen sexy because we're assuming the first and he describes himself as sexy as an indiot nobody because someone sexually chose to be an easy choice. So that's Andrew Tate. Um yeah, I mean you see what he's kind of going for there is like I don't, I'm the most emotionally controlled. You can't like affect me. Um. Yeah, he's he's he's he's doing kind of a version of the thing he's going to be doing. Um. But obviously he gets kicked off the show very quickly. I think he's on it for literally like a week. Um. Now, the claim is that he's kicked off the show because this video of him whipping this this woman gets leaked out, right, and that like that's why they kick him off. There's debate about this within the Big Brother fandom. Um. I went through the Big Brother fandom WICKI because I wanted to see how were the how were the bro stands responding to Andrew take how do they feel about him? And they note this quote. Andrew himself and many other fans believe that is an incorrect reason as to why he was ejected. Andrew believes he was removed as a result after unaired altercations with other housemates got very heated and due to Andrew's fighting background, Big Brother feared violent repercussions due to this and ejected him from the house. And it's interesting that he would admit that because he's basically saying they thought I was too violent and dangerous and didn't want me to hurt somebody and get the show in trouble, so they kicked me off, which I actually think might be possible. I am going to say, Andrew may not be incorrect there, because if I if I'm Big Brother and I see the way this guy interacts with people and his background, I might be like, we may want to get this motherfucker off the show. He seems like a violent psychopath. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. It's also very likely that they just saw that sketchy video and we're like, we don't we don't need this. We don't need Big Big Brother doesn't need this pr um. So either before before he went on the show, was he already kind of starting to become famous a little bit, or was this kind of like a jumping off point for bigger fame. I certainly wouldn't call him famous. He was, you know, a semi prominent within the UK, semi prominent uh fighting sports star. He'd done a little bit of m M A two um and he was a semi prominent Instead. He had like, you know, I think in the tens of thousands, maybe even like a couple of hundred thousand followers on Instagram. Um, so he's not a nobody, but he's not a celebrity, right, Like he's the he's the level of celebrity that you you picked to be on a Big Brother show, right yeah. Um. Now, as with so many claims about this guy, obviously, like I'm not going to say that the Big Brother Wicky fandom wicki is a great source, but I did read through it and I think it's worth reading to you the biography that the Big Brother fandom Wicki gives for take because I believe it's it's accurate to the kind of stuff that Tate bragged about in his Big Brother appearance. Here's his biography. Andrew is a member of MENSA as the Iowa Writers Workshop, which I was fucking right about. Thank you everybody, who mentioned in Yes people did red motherfucking flag. Folks who are not on on the social media should note that people pointed out the Iowa Writer's Workshop was apparently started by the CIA um, which is very funny in terms of Sophie being right about it being shady, although I will say Robert bly does not seem to have taken to the CIA's propagandia. You know about the anti war but I guess, yeah, I guess we'll see whatever feel about that. However, you want very funny member of mensa, let's go back to that. That is more of a red flo the CIA writing program. I'm gonna I'm just gonna say that right now, text Jamie about this. Does Jamie know that Andrew was her? Right now? I'm gonna continue Andrew's bio from The Big Brother Wicky. Andrew was a four time world kickboxing champion. His brother, who Andrew claims is his only true friend, trades him what a sad sentence. Andrew believes that a man should be able to sleep with as many women as he wants, but that does not apply to women. So that's that's basically what you'd expect from Mr Tate, right, Yeah, that sounds like a perfect encapsulation. What an incredible guy. Um. So, the year after his big brother failure, Donald Trump, you guys might have heard of this, becomes President of the United States, and suddenly you got you got fascists in the streets, you got the alt right suddenly being a term and everybody's lexicon, and you've got this galaxy of right wing and explicitly fascist media influencers just blowing the funk up on social media. Andrew and Tristan saw this happening, and they were like, this is how how we we get huge, right, This is a perfect place for us to just kind of nest like one of those wasps that lays their eggs in your eyes and then burst out. Um. So they decide to to be the wasps, and let's say Alex Jones as I they start to experiment. Social media posts bragging about their luxurious lifestyle had helped. But that kind of stuff is a dime a dozen now. Andrew is unfortunately not a dumb man, uh, and so he observed the successive guys like Mike Sernovitch, Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, and he recognized that they were all using variations of the same tactic. They would post something deliberately inflammatory on social media or on their own shows. They'd have some sort of guests like David I could talk about lizard people, or or they would go on this rant, or they just do something super racist and that would generate outrage, and all of these liberal and centrist and left wing journalists would cover the horrifying thing that they'd said on social media, which would elevate their profile and give them free advertise. Platforms are they're using at this time, he is using primarily Instagram, and he's going to get increasingly big on TikTok He's one of these these the right wing influencers who's probably best at TikTok um. He also, though he puts stuff on YouTube for and until he gets banned from YouTube, he has like a long kind of video blog podcast, and that's kind of where he's starting. It's very it's very it's very interesting the like the similarities to like Steve Bannon using yea yeah, video game and and just message was just thinking about that, yeah, yeah, and he's this is very conscious, right, like he's he's he's and this is this is where Andrew Tate is smart, right because intelligence is is not a broad concept. It's a narrow thing, and he's very intelligent when it comes to how to build a right wing brand online. He watches what everyone is doing and he takes the stuff that works best, and he's he's going to become very good at this. But you know who's even better at this? The products and services that sponsor the spot. They they have You should see their right wing Instagram page. It is offensive you say that, but most of our ads are programmatic and we have no idea what they are, so that could be very I'm excited. I'm excited for the Gold Company to come back. Everybody, Yeah, buy some motherfucking gold. We are we are back. Uh. Sophie's letting us know that Jamie Loftus, who did a podcast on Mensa, just just got the news that Andrew Tate is a men's site. How do she respond? All caps L O L no way, beautiful, beautiful, perfect reply, happy, happy to have have have supplied her with this information. Um. Yeah, So Andrew starts upping his his appearances on social media. He starts integrating himself into this right wing eco system, throwing out offensive ship and just kind of using that to build his profile, to get him invites to be on other people's shows. And I'm gonna quote from the Guardian here to talk about his rise to prominence. In September of two thousands seventeen, he was criticized by mental health charities for saying depression isn't real. The next month, he waited in on me Too saying women should bear some responsibility for being raped of you. He has since repeated and which, among other incidents, led to him being barred from Twitter. The backlash one Tate work and boosted his profile. He appeared on info Wars, the podcast of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, was pictured with far right YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson and met Donald Trump Junior at Trump Tower, posting on Facebook afterwards the Tate family support Trump fully. Magata he boxes, Yeah, he's he's he's tic tac toed his way through the very worst people in our society. In two thousand nineteen, police were called after Taps showed up a the house of Mike stuck Berry, a journalist who had been critical about him online. Days act after yaks Ley Lennon, that's Tommy Robinson, who he did an episode on, did the same thing. The incident caused stuck Berry's wife to suffer a panic attack and played a role in them leaving the UK for Germany. So both that's gross physical intermidation of a guy who's criticized him. But also he's just doing the same thing Tommy Robinson did, so you can see at this point he's not a figure in his own right. Yet when you are copying Tommy fucking Robinson, you have not yet ascended right that it's one of the sadder right wing grifters to be following in the footsteps of So he's he's working on it, but he hasn't yet blown his way kind of out of the pack. All of this controversy, all of these appearances on right wing talk shows and podcasts, did successfully elevate Tait's profile, and he started funneling his new fans towards his new business, one with a wider appeal than webcam prostitution. He began offering a series of classes to his followers. Initially, this was sleazy pickup artists ship classes on how to get women. The market for that is very crowded, though, here's how Tate attempted to set himself apart from the pickup artist community. From the promotional material I found for his now defunct pH D program, Yeah yeah, it stands for something gross I forgot, but I'm gonna read you the ad copy that he wrote for this fucking thing. Andrew Tate is world champion kickboxer who owns and operates strip clubs and webcam studios with over seventy five girls working for him. He has created a system that allows you to get girls quickly, easily, and without spending money. Unlike other pickup artists who have the odd girl here and there, Tate has top quality that's in caps women living with him and making him money full time. This makes him more qualified than any other coach on the internet. Do you want to learn how to get the odd girl from a pickup artist or learned how to build an army of women who are so loyal to you that they allow you to have as many girls as you want. More importantly, he has a fool proof system for retaining women, having them do as you say and respecting you without taking up or wasting large amounts of your time. As Tate said, I don't want to tend unless she does everything I say. It's obedience and loyalty that turns me on more than looks. Whether you're looking to get girls, simply have your girlfriend obey every command and be fiercely loyal, or learned how to live with three or four girlfriends at once, his Tate does, this is the course for you. So do you go? Guys? So do we think Hitch was his favorite movie? So I don't think you're allowed to make references to Hitch. Nobody's seen Hitch. Ye have you seen Hitch with Will Smith? I have seen Hitch. It's a I mean, you know, it's a it's a fun little movie. The leergic reaction for oh that was, you know, bringing back Yeah, yeah that that entire thing was disgusting. Robert, thank you for sharing. Oh yeah it was. When I found that. I just that was. I did a little chef's kiss like I was like I was cooking up some spaghetti. Uh, it was good. It was good. Now a big part of Tate's branding, And this is the same thing when you were an influencer, right, if you're trying to build like a cultishly loyal following, you have to use cult techniques, and that means creating words that were not in use before you started using them, um and or at least repurposing words in ways that other people don't use them and getting your fans to talk that way. Um. And one of the things you know, Tate Tate note knew this. And Tate also he had paid attention to guys. You know again, think back to our other cult leaders. We've got guys like Keith Rawnieri who was called Vanguard. We've got Ron Hubbard who was the Commodore. I forget what Werner or Hard went by, but but we just did his episodes. Um and for take, the kind of name that he had his fans call him is top G. And you will see this in a shitload of zoomer TikTok videos. I want to play first a video for you of him talking to his brother about what top G means. And this is from the tape Pill YouTube channel, which that's the only YouTube channel that I visit. Yeah, top G and tape Pill, all those names make me want to crop. It's good stuff, Sylvie. Here's the clip. Gee, everyone says top G. Kids are now wearing a T shirt top on it. I want to be a top G. I want to be the top G. He basically trademarket. So what do you mean by top G? Top G is an individual who is capable in all realms. As my father said, sheer into fatiguability and unmatched pers picacity made him a feared opponent in all realms of human endeavor. When you are top G, you are dangerous at everything. That's why I'm talking. And they were to say to you, you have to go on a race track and race or take in cars. He was like ships, you have to go in the boxing ring and fight tape. Ship to fight tap, you have to go debate. Take a ship tritly you have to go try and get a girl, and takes also trying to get a girl in the ship's get It doesn't matter what's the call. The sition is as soon as they say my name, you're gonna be like a fox. My unmatched perspotacity, my ability to proceed. I share in theocritig ability, the fact that I never get tired. You add all this together, I am a feared opponent and he were almost human endeavor, even things I don't yet know how to do. You do not want to compete with me in those things. That is why I am so First off, it feels like he wasn't as good at chess as he says because his dad had to kick him out of a contest for crying too much. Just do do keep that in mind as he makes these claims. Now, I don't believe that Andrew Tate is a competition race car driver because he has has never done that. And also, and by the way, I again, because he makes claims like this. I went to like race car Twitter to see what they said about him, and they had a bunch of rights. They had a lot of weird There were a lot of you'll run into people making these weird niche criticisms about his supercars and how they're not the right kind of it's a word of it's an expensive car that goes fast, okay. And if you're a supercar nerd and disagree, you can go to hell. Because I enjoyed reading and found it like enlightening reading the chess and the kickboxing subredits. The supercar people are insufferable, even the ones that don't like Andrew Tate. So I I do love that. That's Robert's Yeah, that's where he draws the line. It's like the supercars just really were too much because they were like, well, no, you want this supercar, not that one. I would never And I was like, you don't like I'm sorry, I don't I you you people. I don't believe God. I can just imagine these supercar suckers like Tinder profiles. They're so horrible. Their car is there, you know, the car is in the picture. Yeah, I am, I am. I simply don't care what you have to say about his supercars. But what I do care about is the fact that as silly as that all is, the top Gee ship worked. And as evidence for this, I'm I have just sent another link to the chat. This is a protest in Athens, Greece, where what appears to be visually several thousand adult men, uh and a number of men who are boys marching through the streets of Athens. And I want, Sophie, I want you to just play what they're chanting. Yeah. This was after this was right after his arrest. Yeah, I know what this is. I'm sad, and that is it's not a I'll say this, that's not like a tiny flash mob. There's a lot of people there is a there is a distressing number of men in the street. There's a distressing number of men in the streets that's in Greece. Yeah, it is not great. So this works very well. Um, Tate was very successful. And again we've already covered the degree to which he's exaggerating an outright lying about his competence. But he's successfully pushing a persona of himself as hypercompetent and irresistible to women. As we've already covered, a lot of what he says is objectively untrue. His kickboxing record was cooked, his businesses are mostly cheap scams or outright criminal enterprices. We'll get into that more in a second, but it's worth digging into first the reality behind the Andrew Tate method of picking up women. In the wake of Tate's arrest, a brave nineteen year old Romanian woman named Daria Gusha Goosa reached out to BuzzFeed. She told them and provided evidence that in when she was sixteen, Andrew Tate slid into her d ms on Instagram with a message that read Romanian girl strawberry emoji, which I think is a sex that the strawberry emoji. I don't know I don't know what you kids use when straw? Alright, carry on on the Graham, yes, Sophy, g's it with the kids give at the times when Tate message to her Instagram bio had the name of her fancy private school, and she told BuzzFeed that a number of other girls in her class had been messaged by Tate around the same time in the same way, So it seems like he was looking for basically just like filtering his responses from girls in this private school who were like sixteen, and then messaging a bunch of them at once. Daria did not respond, but her friends. Some of her friends did, and Tate complimented them, telling them how beautiful they were. He bragged about his wealth, and he offered to take them too expensive restaurants. After a short back and forth, he would every time try to meet up with the girls, be like, Hey, we should meet up right now. Where are you I'll come pick you up, we can go out and eat, and I'm gonna quote from BuzzFeed next. None of her friends went ahead with meeting with him, she said, and once Tate realized they weren't going to, he started to insult them. The second that girls stopped applying to him. He starts getting a bit verbally abusive, calling them ugly and stuff, right like that, just to get the reaction out of them and keep engaging with them, Gusa said. And that's I think useful to to go over because that's normal shitty guy on the internet stuff. That is, there's a billion guys doing that. There's nothing special about him. He doesn't have some sort of secret. He's not irresistible. He's just doing the same thing that Like, there's like there's a whole bunch of Twitter accounts that like semi professionally post like screen grabs of guys sliding into women's d m s all around the world doing that exact thing. Like, there's nothing about his method that is special or rare. He just practices it exclusively on children. Um, and you know what he's doing is he's he's I'm sure shotgunning out these requests to so many people that statistically just like with like a you know exactly, it's like one of those like email scams. Right, some number of people are going to like respond, It'll work on some number of people, and that's all he cares about, right, Um, And I do think That's important because when it comes to actual pickup artistry or whatever you wanna call it, and Drew Tad is no different than every other frustrated adult male piece of ship looking to flirt with little kids. Yeah you're not special, motherfucker, just like every other creep. Yeah exactly. He is just like every other creep behind the curtain. Now, none of this, though, is public during the rise of Andrew Tate's social media profile or his main online business, which would become Hustlers University. That's what he calls this, like a series of classes and training programs that he starts to launch um and it's the kind of thing like he is undeniably good at getting people, and it's mostly the people who mostly believe this image he's crafted are children, right, they are also children. They're male children, all of his all of his victims, the women that the girls that he's flirting with are mostly children or of extremely young adults. And the people with exactly who can't do critical thinking or make like a big decision exactly. And the people he's trying to get money from are like boys. I'm like, I'm going to say age twelve to twenty and uh yeah, that's that's that's who this ship works on. Now. I found an eight hour class from Hustlers University up on YouTube, which is just part one of his his watch did there are? You can find a lot of these have been uploaded since his arrest, and there's like a hundred of them doing house chores and then blasting this. I'm sweeping, I'm cleaning. You know, I'm standing standing naked doing planks on my in my living room floor. Normal stuff. Um, not your living room floor. Oh yeah, that's the only place I do it. So yeah, I felt like I had to watch through these because Tate claims at the start that these do contain his entire understanding of business and how to make money. Um, I figured watching it would give me some insight into the soul of the man himself. And boy, howdy did it ever? God. So we're gonna go into that in a little bit. But first, you know what we're gonna go into. Oh is it an ad back? Isn't an advertage? Sure is an ad break. It's some products, some services, the odd product and service. We're going to go into that. I'm gonna do my hustle before we we we introduce you all to Hustlers University. Oh, Robert, that was despicable. Yeah, well, welcome to the potty Pal. We are back. Hustlers University starts out pretty boring. He gives his definition of a business, which is a thing that money goes into. Right, that's the only thing of businesses. So thanks, thanks for explaining that. Thanks, I have no idea before. Okay, thank you, thank you. Andrew. Well, it's interesting because since a business is only something money goes into, if you are putting money into startup costs, if you're putting money into R and D, if you're paying for things like PR, that is all a waste of time, right, because that's spending money. A business only takes money in. Now, you may be saying, well, but you have to spend money to make money. That's like a thing everybody knows about business. That's just the way that it works, right. Andrew says no, And in order to explain what a fool you are, he gives an example of a good business that he had an idea for. And this first example of a good business is starting a website to sell makeup online. Now, he says, he's adamant that like you don't need to have any makeup. You don't need to have a product. All you do is you make a website selling makeup, and then you wait for a bunch of people to buy the makeup, and then you figure out where to get makeup with the money that they've spent on makeup that you didn't have before, and then you send it to them. Sounds like that, that's that's genius brain level business stuff. Start start a fraudulent makeup business, and then buy makeup once you start getting money. Um, I don't think that that would work, uh, in part because there's a lot of makeup that's a real company out there that people can buy from a lot of other options. Act. So yeah, and I'm sure a lot of people have that question. Um, how how are you supposed to actually get cash flow started without investing, without having something to make people want to buy your makeup? And Tate has an answer for you, and that answer is child labor. Um. So I'm gonna play a clip from you and as an aside, during this clip, when you hear him tell someone to wipe down his white board, it's some random cam worker in his home. It's a young woman who like lives with him that he has doing minor chores in the background. This is the thing that he does in all of his videos. Family and friends are actually the best staff you can possible get. Now, people say, don't mix friends with business, don't mix family with business. Can you clean my board? Sit here and wipe it. Don't mix friends with business, yeah, good, don't don't make friends with business. Don't mix family business. That's a lie. So the reason people say this is because people are dickheads and they can't get along with anyone they're not. They can't get along with anybody long enough to make any money. But I guarantee you have family members right this second who can make you money. I guarantee you you have a fifteen year old niece, nephew, cousin, brother, whoever, who knows more about computers than you do. I guarantee there's a fifteen year old out there with nothing better to do, who knows more about photoshop than you do. Right now. His stupid ass needs a job, so you can start a company right now. Yeah. So that's that's that seems good, right, That's that's a solid business idea. Have have young relatives and trick them into working for you. Um, absolutely genius, Andrew you are. You're the finest business mind of our generation. Um. Now he follows this up with his next incredible piece of corporate advice, which I think might be of interest to some prosecutors in Romania. And I'm gonna have Sophie play that one. Next. Don't get legal before you get rich. This is super important. We're talking about hustling here. I'm telling you the hacks to becoming rich. Do not get legal before you are rich. You can fix your legal bullshit when you've already made money. It's a shame I've deleted my or erase to my beautiful makeup diagram. But it's very similar to what we're saying earlier. I know so registered for v A T, registered with the tax man, already have an accountant, and haven't made any money yet. I and most of my companies will make a million dollars before I'll even consider sucking around with a tax form, talking to an accountant, or registering any fucking companies. All that ship is on the layer base until you have proved the viability of your company and you have money coming in. When you're rich and you have money in the bank, then worry about that stuff. Do not waste your time, energy and money doing all that legal crap before you know anything about whether your business is gonna work. It's if every time I had to start a company or an idea, I had to go register a company, getting account and do tax forms, do vat form. What a waste of time. I'll started maybe a hundred companies in my life. Twenty of them made money. You tell me eight times I would have had to funk around. Don't do that. I know so many people who have a company legally but don't have a company in reality, because it exists as a legal entity, but it does not provide cash. A company provides cash. If you're a street drug dealer, you own a company much more than the guy with all the legal entities which ain't making money. Do not. We're hustlers. Here's the hustlers university. Do not confuse this money in what's the lessons I've been teaching you? Money in? Where's the money in? Pointing at the empty white nothing written on it, there's nothing, Oh my god. Yeah. So because people this is an audio medium, he is like pointing and circling things on an empty whiteboard. Because he's forgotten that he had one of his cam workers, uh, erase everything on it. Um. Obviously, this is terrible advice, in part because if you start a business that doesn't make a profit and you did not do any of the legal things you needed to do, there's a good chance that at some point the tax man will come and say, hey, you didn't do all this ship you needed to do, and we know that. You know now you owe us a shipload of money, and because your business failed, you owe even more because you broke a bunch of laws. That's one thing that is concerning about the advice that he's giving. Although anyone who's going to start companies using the andretain advice probably deserves to be in trouble with the I R S or whoever, So I'm not going to complain too much about it um. But also I kind of hope someone in Romania is aware of these videos, because I I suspect Andrew Tap did not dot the eyes across the teas necessary to make all of his shady business is legal in that country. He was operating casinos and strip clubs in the country once he got rich, like actual ones, not just cam ones. So um, I I kind of think there's a decent chance he will wind up getting extra charges as a result of not legally operating any of his businesses. UM fun thing to brag about, Andrew. So the next point he makes in this video of of really just irreplaceable financial advice is use what you've got. And this is where Andrew actually gives us some context on how he started his cam business and why. But first we get a little bit more child labor advocacy. I just gave you the example of the fifteen year old cousin who can make websites, And now you want a website company or your fifteen year old cousin who can do I don't know fucking who knows what he can do. He can mow lawns every fifteen year old and mo lawns. Now you have a lawnmowing business. Bang, tell his stupid ask to go deliver some flyers. Drive him around your car, play some Tupac, chill out in your car, text some bitches, drive at five miles an hour. Let him drop off all the leaflets and then let him mow all the lawns. You collect all the money and just pay him a percentage. Bang, you now own a lawmo lawnmoaning company. Congratulations, Use what you got. I made a lot of money with webcam girls. If you're watching this, you don't know that webcam girls. You can go to a chatter bait dot com. You see girls on their on webcam getting naked talking to dudes taking money. That made me millions and millions of dollars and came up with that idea by sticking to this principle, use what you've got. So right now, if you're sitting there, what are you saying? And I mean everything? Just way, have a car, it's on lease. You have physical strength, Let's say you're a strong guy. When I was making my list, I was writing and now I was like, well, I've got six girlfriends. Six girlfriends, so okay, strip How can girls make your money? Strip club? But that takes money to set up? Remember costs. I cannot get money in a strip club without a club. So I looked at all the costs for a strip club and realize it's too expensive Before I could get money in. It's too big a risk. Remember it's too much risk. I can lose three for under grand. Can't risk that. How could I get money? In. How can I get money in for having hot girls without spending money out? So my first idea was strip club. But I looked at all the costs. I was like, okay, so how why do men send? Why do men spend money on girls and strip club? Because the girls are beautiful, they get to look at the girls, see some titties that How can I do that without the club? Well, the internet. If I put them on the internet, it's cheap. This is literally how I thought. I stuck to my business principles. Okay, it's cheap. Start looking up bound discovered the webcam websites. All right, So I've already got the girls. I've already got a laptop, I've already got the internet bag. The day I had the webcam idea, the same day I was making money. I didn't spend any money, but I was making new money because I refused to allow myself to spend. Now, I started making new money in with the webcam because I knew I had the internet. I knew I had laptops, I knew I had girls. Use what you've gone? Look around you? What people do you have? Does your old mother need a new jobs? Maybe she's at home, and she's black. Oh my god, maybe she will do your old mother. If you have cousins, niece's nephews, do you have a girlfriend who has nothing to do use what you have? The most offsetting thing about all of this is like you can see how like this people can fall for this, or like the how people can be susceptible to this, because obviously he's taking it to a sick discussing extreme, but like, at the core of it, like that does make sense on some level. If you have a bunch of you know, old baseball cards or whatever, you can start selling them at school, will make a little extra money. But like, he's taking it to such an extreme level of exploitation and illegality that it's like insane. But I could see how someone who's maybe not as savvy or is really gullible could be influence or fall for this kind of stuff. And that's what makes people like this so fucking dangerous. Yeah, and what's going on here? There's two things going on here, right, And this is always the case with him. It's the case with like his the thing, the brags, the lies he makes about his background. It's true, he's pretty good at chess, It's true his dad was very good at chess. It's true that he was a decent kickboxer. Um. And then he kind of uses that core of truth and then wraps a bunch of lies around it in order to make this persona It is true that a lot of people with small businesses use their families for free labor. Right. There's like laws in the United States where kids normally there's a lot of restrictions and how they can work unless it's like a family owned business. Right if you like own a corner store, you can have your sixteen year old work it and they're not subject to all of the restrictions that like seven eleven would be if they tried to hire a sixteen year old, right, Like, there's some differences there. Um, I'm not saying, by the way that that's good or bad. I'm just that's the way that it works. This is pretty normalized. What he is saying is like taking that idea and saying no, no no, no, What you should be doing is getting all of these people who are emotionally invested in you and love you and using them as free labor to make yourself rich. Right Like, that's that's the class and what he's doing there is he's taking the logic of a multi level marketing company all of these all of these like Avon kind of fucking bullshit companies where they or uh these different like essential oil companies that we've talked about for years on the show, where like all all rely on, Hey, your friends need this makeup, your friends need these supplements, your friends need this shitty low quality leggings um and you can make a lot of money getting them to sell and getting them in your upline. And you know that that that's one of the things that's ruined, like the social Internet, Facebook has become a place where like people you knew fifteen years ago get in touch, pretending to be your friend and then try to to get you to like become a do Tera representative or some ship. He's using this logic because he knows that it works. But instead of the thing that is obviously shady and that people have kind of more defense is built up around, which is like, hey, try to get your family to like buy into this business, what he's saying is like, no, no, get him to work for you, you know, offer them like a share of profits or something to which obviously you know, and he goes into later to tail about how you can fuck them over on that. But he's he's he's taking this thing that has been a part of American grift culture for forever and he's he's twisting it um in a way that is I think kind of uh it is it is new and this is part of like the thing that he does that's intelligent, but it's also just very transparently awful and evil, very predatory towards extremely predatory um. And speaking of extremely predatory UM, I wanna I want to dig into the business genius of Andrew tight here because it is worth going into kind of the inevitable sort of conclusions you have to make based stuff of what he's saying. In the example that he's given that fifteen year old kid has no reason to give you the money that he's making mowing lawns, right because he's doing all of the work to work, to advertise and to actually mow. You only get your percentage. He doesn't mention earlier, like one of your assets is being strong. The only way is to get a percentage from him are either literally just the threat of violence or gas lighting making him think that like he's going to make more money than he is, and that you won't be making as much money as you are from his labor. And this is true of the cam girls to His only actual advice boils down to various forms of robbery, and this is particularly clear when he starts talking about the profit making potential of Uber, which is already exploitative. Um but Andrew Tate, I'm gonna play this next clip to you. This is him talking about how to use Uber in your own business to make money via child labor. Rent a car, find a way to rent a car with onlim in mileage per month. Tell him he's gonna do ten hours of Uber a day to train how to drive. Lie to his ass and say that you in the Uber app you can track and make sure he ain't breaking the speed limits. So we drive safe. Put his ass on Uber, pay for his gas and keep and give him half the money and keep half for yourself. Bang done, Set him up, Get him ready. This This is ship I didn't plan. I'm just telling you things off the top of my head because this is how I think as a hustler. I don't I don't need to sit and think. I just know there's money, and I find a way to get the money. That's how I am. So right. Now, you've got cousins out there who aren't driving Uber, you can convince him to drive Uber? Well, then why don't they do it without you? Easy? You can talk some ship, make some shut up. Hey, if you got an Uber account, no, I'll set all up for you. Because it's complicated. And there's some tax. I'll handle the tax. Don't pay no tax. Just why blah blah blah. Get him a Uber, get him in cars, bang bang bank. So he just assumes everyone around him is stupid and stupid and trusting. He assumes that, like, hey, your cousins probably trust you. Lie in order to rob them, make them work for you for basically nothing, and steal the money they suggested. Making money off of women, he sex trafficking, old mother was thrown around, little children. Yeah, those are his business out. Don't forget the makeup company that does not sell makeup. He is forget the finest capitalistic mind of a generation. Maybe she's born with it, maybe it doesn't exist. Actually makeup. Uh, it's so funny that like people talk about how smart this guy is and like how he's changed. He's changed. He's changed. My we'll get into like why people talk about him changing their lives and all this ship. But like, at the end of the day, what he's offering here is like, hey, rob your friends and family. It's the same MLM thing, but he he has and this is this is I think, Uh, credit seems like a weird way to say it, but it is needful to acknowledge. This is an innovation the way in which he is He is telling people to rob their friends and family in order to try to get rich, and it won't work for them most of them. This obviously, I think this is what Tate does. He has his brother worked for him and his cousins work for him. If you are the right kind of psychopath, you can make money this way. It's just that even of the people who are interested in Hustler's University, most of them are not that kind of psychopath, and so they're not going to be successful or they're just not a smart enough psychopath. Um mat, did you say how much people were paying for this class? Uh? So these were? It changed over time. At first it was like a per class thing. Eventually it's going to change to a monthly fee and and obviously actual sales figures you're never going to get, but tap makes like in the millions of dollars of this um yeah, off of the version one, and he iterates quickly by one, he ditched the like courses and picking up women and running can businesses to focus on this new venture, like this thing that he does because this is like the early version of Hustlers University. This is the thing that works really well. And so he decides, being intelligent in a very specific way, he decides he's going to spend this into the main business that he's going to do, and he he opts to relaunched Hustlers University as Hustlers University two point out, and we're going to get into that. And it's just what a wonderful and innovative title. It's so infuriating because it's like kind of brilliant, like the timing of it, because on a lot of people are out of work or have more free time at their state of hustle, ready to hustle make make some extra cash on the side, and he's just like praying on that. It's also like tim it's time and way specifically, I want to just emphasize on that a lot of kids are home alone, a lot of kids are are doing remote learning school and have access to whether that be a computer or an iPad or some kind of digital device, and our home alone without supervision. And you know, the the algorithms have brought them to Andrew Tate, and um, and he got him, and he's he's got him, and he's he's offering them the other thing that's happening here too, you know there we were talking around this there at home, the pandific. They're they're lonely. Also, the cost of living is skyrocketing and people, especially in the UK. This is less the case in the US, but in the UK, where's a lot of his fans, there's like a financial crisis hitting right, like things have not been great for the last year to change over over in the United Kingdom. Um, which is why it's so easy to uh to to buy things with British pounds right now. Sorry, y'all, It just is at the moment um. And and so Tate is recognizing that, like there's a lot of young kids who are starting to come into the economy and realizing how hard it is to just tread water and so they're desperate for anything that will give them a hope of getting out of the fucking con game that is life under capitalism. And that's that's what fucking Tate is um is taking advantage of, is these kids who are looking for a hack to get out of the trap. Um. And yeah, we're gonna talk about what he does next and how well it fucking works and uh spoilers will have an appearance from Alex Jones in Part four, the final part of this glorious series. But first, Ian Sophie, y'all, y'all got stuffs? Two plugs? Ian, what do you have to plug anything? Yeah? And um m hmmm, I would say, uh, just you know, check out Internet Hate Machine. It's one of the other more like Internet Machine. Sorry, that's not right at all. That's not what the show is about. That's another Cools one media show that I work on. Um, it's a great show with bridget Todd, really relevant and interesting topic about the healthscape that is social media right now. Um. And I would also just say plug just being kind to others, you know, being a nice, respectful person in this world. It's life is already hard enough. It's free to not be an asshole, So I'd say that. Wow. You say it's free to not be an asshole, But if you consider the fact that by not putting your mom and your child cousins to work, you're leaving money on the table, it actually can be extremely expensive not to be an asshole. You can hear more on my nine hours series Committing Crimes using your family members as Patsy's University. Um do I teach you? Do I get to plug? Okay? I want to I want to plug two books that are available for pre order right now, the first of which is Jamie Loftus's book about hot dogs called Raw Dog. It is available for preorder go to her go to her social meds for all that info, and also are very on Margaret Killjoy of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, which I also Edits has a book available for pre pre sale also called Escape from insil Island. And I would like to plug those two books. Check out both of their social meds to get info on that bold and heroic of you, Sophie. And I want to plug my new business course, Crime Guy University, where I teach you how to take You've got a mom who's out of work, You've got some young cousins. Look, you can monetize that ship through the simple, legal, easy method of getting them to sell heroin for you. You know, you know what's really about this business, though, Robert Sophie does, which is why you should listen to Sophie's sixteen hour course. That's card literally starting a cartel um so. This is sponsored by our friends at the Simaloa Cartels. Sophie, anyway, we'll be back by, We'll be back unfortunately by all Right. Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.