Welcome Behind the Bastards, the podcast about crimes against humanity. I'm legally distinct from that mouse. I had to do it. I hated it when you did it off, Mike and you were just like making a joke to proper about news we need it. I really hated it. And like, I don't think you sound like the mouse that you're trying to take. I think you sound like, uh, he sounds like Donald Glover in that episode of Atlanta when he when he's not Michael Jackson. Michael jacks Ye oh that was that was the episode of that show. Oh wait, wait, I'm sorry, I need to go along with the bit. Oh god, are you are you doing kit? I'm a mouse? Would you like to talk about the starvation genocide of an island? Well, if we need to something that the creator of this mouse was probably broadly fine with. I hope both of you gett made fun of on the internet. Here's the thing. I feel like our level of like cool can take this sort of hit. I feel like it were we we can't be canceled for making Mickey Mouse supportive of a genocide. And and I mean Kerman is one of the most beloved frogs he is, he's a meme. He drinks tea and everyone permit, would never support a genocide, not not at all. I mean maybe tacit Lee with his tax dollars because he's not really a fighter. But we all do right now, and then it's not really a bit. It's more of like a mediation about the necessity of supporting terrible things just because you exist within a society where you don't have total control over cannot help the ocean. You can't help the ocean from being saltwater. Yeah, those just is Yep, it just is. It just doesn't tell you. Yeah, speaking of alt water, are you ready to get salty? My god? I mean just call me sodium chloride baby. At the end of last episode, we talked about Lord Hatesberry, who was like, I don't think we know if his famine thing is going to be a real problem yet, let's she pulled off name on the nose. Now we're gonna have another guy with a really horrible name. But he's he's he's actually kind of chill, kind of cool. He's not one of the real problems here, um, because there are, it's worth noting. While overwhelmingly the English government allowed this to happen and in many cases directly enabled the deaths that are coming. Uh. There were people who were had prominence in the government, like O'Connell that we've talked about, but also folks who were English who tried very hard to do something, and one of them was the unfortunately named Sir Edward pine Coffin. Um, it doesn't seem like the kind of guy who's going to try to help, but Pine Coffin Edward pinecof And it spelled like, Okay, listen, we're in a simulation. Bro, I'm Jina corps box. That's his American cousin. Yeah, we're in a simulation because like somebody wrote that script this well, yeah, one of the fun things is actually in terms of coffins. So one of the reasons you would want to go to like a workhouse, and we'll talk about these more later, but these are like the places poor people go well during the worst parts of the famine is that when you die, you get a coffin, which you can't you can't afford otherwise right there, you can't get that. That's good, so you get a box, but also you don't because they just put you in the common in the coffin long enough to take you to the mass grave and then they dump you in. Oh my god, they yo that steering wheel just jerk to them. You got me in. I was like, okay, well at least you get a oh wait near man. And one of the things. So with these mass graves, a decent number of people get buried alive, which is the thing that always happens in mass graves. You find a lot of stories like that from the Holocaust. One of the differences in when they realize someone is alive in the mass grave here they do try to rescue, trying to get him out, as opposed to like just shooting them more, which is what the Nazis did. So I guess that's a marketing British Empires. No, it's not. Yeah, um so. Edward Pinecoffin is the Deputy uh Commissioner of the government relief agency responsible for Ireland. Scotland's potato crop had failed. Because again, this potato failure, this is part of why people again reject calling it the potato famine. There are failures of potato crops all throughout Europe. It happens everywhere. The starvation happens in Ireland. Um So, when Scotland's potato crop fails, Pine Coffin commandeers a warship, fills it with food uh and sails around the coast of Scotland, distributing it in starving villages. And he tries to do the same thing in Ireland, but Trevillian stops him because Travillion is the guy who controls the purse drinks. So pine Coffin can't spend the money he needs to fill these boats up with food without Travali and say ahead. And while everybody's fine with that food with money getting spent on the Scottish uh, Travillians like not these people? Though not these what's the difference? So pine Coffin has to watch helpless and pretty enraged as like he's unable to take ships and food to Ireland. But he keeps watching these ships filled with food depart and increasingly starved island. Um So people begin dying heavily in eighteen forty six, But before they a lot of them are forced to make the decision do we spend because we did have crops right which we can either sell to pay our rent or we can eat. But if we eat the food, that we have, then we can't pay rent and we will get evicted right now. I don't know if you know this. Bet Ireland prop pretty wet. They're warm, not a warm part of the world, not famous for its balmy weather. Um. Even in the summer, it can be quite rough at night for people like it, and especially during the fall and winter it gets very cold and it's very wet. And by the way, these people are so poor they don't have like like they don't own jackets. Oftentimes they have sold basically there are people sold everything, partly naked because they have sold anything they have that could possibly be a value to try to feed their children. So not without being indoors, people will die UM. And if they don't sell their food and turn it into rent money, they're gonna get kicked out and be in just like wandering the countryside and they will starve to death or die of of um exposure. UM. Being evicted is basically a death sentence for a lot of people UM and this happens on a massive scale. Whole villages are depopulated and sent just wandering muddy pathways in the countryside, begging for help that often did not come, and people begin to die in their thousands. Entire communities starve, basically like kicked out of their homes. Um. Now, one of the few options for sucker were the so called workhouses. These were operated by local landlords. And again we've been talking again. This is one of those situations where broadly speaking, the landlords are the problem. There are individual landlords who do do things like don't you don't have to pay rent? You know, and you can find I would spend more time reading their stories, but I'm worried it would kind of take away from the people who are monsters. But there are and and to his credit, Um Coogan, who's the historian that's the major source for this, goes into some detail. There are individual like landlords who do take very reasonable steps to preserve life and put their profits. And that is a thing that happens. And Um, it's worth acknowledging that, not partly because it condemns the people who don't do that. More it is not like every landlord doesn't do the same thing. Some of them help, you know. Um, And it's one of those things. Also in terms of things we can criticize Peel for um, even though he is probably the best politician of his day in terms of famine relief, who has any power? Peel is adamant that local landlord should be the ones dealing with the famine problem. It should be up to them, right um. And this quote from Coogan's book makes it clear how badly the situation tended to work, because you have these kind of local landlords who are managing these workhouses. Quote. A workhouse was built on the Martin estate at Clifton and County Galway. Martin was an eccentric figure known for his gambling, for his fearsome prowess as a duellist, and for his kindness to animals, which led him to found the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and to be nicknamed Humanity Dick. Oh my god, hold onto that for a second, Martin. Listen, we're in a simulation. Somebody like you got a problem with humanity Dick. I I don't, I just I again this story we really need to go back to like the editor names, keep telling the story. Both your names are spoiler alerts, like okay, Sanity Dick. Humanity Dick lived in splendor at Balinahinch Castle on a huge estate, comprising some two hundred thousand acres and including parts of Mayo and most of Connemara, that incredibly beautiful but barren area of County Galway, stretching westward from Galway City along Galway Bay, skirting the coastline until it reaches the open Atlantic. A workhouse was built on the estate at Clifton, even though it was notorious for being crippled by debts, mainly through Martin's gambling. The King of Kunamara, as he was referred to in Ireland, had had to flee the country several years earlier upon losing his parliamentary immunity. On his death in eighteen thirty four, his son Thomas became his heir. During the famine, Thomas died from a fever contracted while inspecting the awful conditions in the overcrowded workhouse, which could not cope with the demands placed upon it. The workhouse went bankrupt and had to close, with catastrophic results for its inmates, Clifton and its environs. The Martin estate was subsequently put up for auction, and one of its principal attractions, as cited by the auctioneers, was the fact that none of the tenants who had lived on the estate before the famine lived there any long grew. Given the population density peraker at the time, this could have indicated a death toll of some two thousand people. So because this family of rich people goes bankrupt, there is no help and potentially two people starved to death. And what's this area alone? What do you do in a workhouse? Is it like it's just called workhouse? Yeah, I mean you there, there's basically you receive a small amount of food, um, and you do you work like. There's different kind of things they have you do. Some of these people are like the ones who are digging, these who are building these roads to nowhere and ship like. There's a variety of things that they might have you do. But they're also not A ton of people can fit in these workhouses. They are the difference between life and death for some people. But the fact that they are they're not funded by the imperial government and out of by these local landlords, which means if your landlords doing good, and if he's someone who's financially responsible, maybe your workhouse is a lifeline. But in amara this family are because of their gambling debts, like loses everything, and that means there's just there's no fucking help for these people. And yeah, like two people starved to death. Um, yeah, it's a problem. That's not good. That's that's a lot of people to starve to death. Um. Maybe the biggest consequence of a gambling addiction that we've run across on this show. Pretty up there, it's pretty up there. Yeah, humanity dick. If only he'd had some help, Um, humanity dick. So this brings what an incredible name, And this brings us to a particularly horrifying fact, which is, again, the failure of the potato crop was not the biggest part of the famine. The massivevictions of Irish tenants by landlords killed most like at least as many people, if not many more people. Um. And here's the thing we've been focusing mostly on, Like, because the crops fail, like they have to either buy food or they can't pay their rent, Like a whole bunch of things happened. Ship gets too expensive, they can't afford their rent, and they get have died. Right, that's the most obvious way for this to happen. That's not the only reason evictions happen. So you know how Instagram works in what way you know, how like there's there's someone will like decide to paint their nails in like a certain very elaborate way and do a video on it, and suddenly that will go huge, and then like there's a bunch of videos like that. You know that that kind of thing works like trends, you know, such just Instagram, but like things get popular and then everybody wants to do a version of that same thing. Well, that kind of happens with rich landlords and a thing called high farming. High farming, yeah, which is basically like clearing areas of agriculture in the way that it had been done in order to make more room for to gray sheep in order to like raise a bunch of sheep. Basically, so all these landlords their friends start doing this um and the problem is that, like, if you want to clear all of your land to gray sheep, to to be hip and cool and get into this neat new farming thing that all your friends are doing, well, there's like there's like people there, right, there's people that live on his land. There's like there's like tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people living on that land, but it is your land and you have the right to evict him at any moment. So you wanna get up on this trend, what do you do? Victim people? You give victim all. This is what happens because it's not like we can grow crops, well, no, you want to you it's time for sheep. She was gonna say, and yeah, that's like, that's so, that's so we've done crops. That's yeah, that's that's last. Everybody does crops. I want to do sheet. So Lord Lord Luken evicts four hundred families and his mayo estates during like the rising peak of the famine in order to clear get grazing area for sheep um. And again this is because this has gotten like really popular from the aristocraphy, from the aristocracy, and so a lot of these rich people start getting into sheep farming and evicting whole village. These are ethnic cleansings. They are cleansing an area of its indigenous population. Where do they and where do you expect them to go? They're just gonna yeah, not, why would it be your problem. It's your land. You can have them leave if you want, you know, they don't like. That's not that's not on you. Yeah cost him. There's more money and because and even you, you can't feed yourself anymore. So yeah, so I might as well kick you off and try this new thing, and that way I can be cool like my friends. So it is proper hard to exaggerate how enraging some of these stories can be. Oh my god. The village of balin Glass was a fairly rare find in Ireland. The people there had been allowed by their landlady to improve their land um, and they had created a very prosperous community. Um. So prosperous in fact that they all lived in stone houses, which was very rare at the time. I think there were sixty one families, so a few hundred people. So after years of clearing bog land and improving their land in order to make it more productive, improvements which probably would have allowed them to survive the famine because they've done it, they've been able to do a really good job of improving things. Suddenly their landlady, Miss Gerard, decides she wants to get into high farming, so she evicts them all um kicks him ride out, kicks him ride out and I'm gonna quote from the Famine plot here. On the morning of March forty six, an attachment of troops and police showed up to eject the people from their homes. Their belongings were thrown out and the roofs of their houses tumbled. It was made clear to the people in surrounding areas that if they took in the e vict s, they would suffer the same fate, and so the evicted people passed from door to door vainly seeking shelter. In desperation, they erected temporary shelters and ditches, or constructed what would become a common sight that year across the Irish countryside scalps. These considered consisted either of poles covered by sods that were stretched across a ditch, or, if the ditches were filled with water, as they frequently were, they simply dug a hole in the ground or in the shelter end of a gable and their tumbled house, and covered this with sticks and sods, but in balin glasses elsewhere. The bailiffs returned in the days following the evictions to destroy the scalps and move people out of the landlord's land. So again when they say tumbling, they in order to stop anyone from reoccupying a house, they destroy the roof, just the roof, that's all. Then then it'll rain in there and people can't stay, can't keep a fire going, I won't keep you warm, right, Okay, so you're so you're so efficient at evil, but like you're all thumbs on doing anything decent like that is like you just saying, well, you said there're stone houses, so it would be a lot more effort or work, so it's more efficient to just let the rain do the work. I'll just knock the roof down. So so you can think, yeah, that's that is that is in the most perverse way, the shortest distance between two points, like yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. And if y'all could not figure out how to not have how to not have your people start are okay? Yeah, I mean I think a lot reading this about. I spent a lot of time because Portland has a substantial population of unhoused people in and around just as part of my daily life. Encampments and a lot of them sound very familiar in that because it's also very rainy here, you will have people who will like kind of set up lean to type structures that are partly in ditches because it provides some shelter from the wind. But then when it rains, they flood right. Um, And no matter what people do, the cops are going to come by periodically and sweep them out. And so oftentimes they'll do it right before a storm or right before you know, the temperature drops and ship. Um you know that. I mean they're literally sending cops to kick people out of there, like crumbled down houses and knocked down with little shelters they've been able to make. Um yo, it's not even a house. Yeah, Like, come on, guys, this is an eviction genocide, which I don't know that I've heard about before. That's what's happening here. So back in Merry Old angel And, the suffering of the Irish was often caused for mockery in the press. That same year, the economist magazine Yeah that one, the one that's still around, alleged that Irish suffering had been quote brought on by their own wickedness and folly. The Times, Yeah baby, yeah, the economist there it is good job economists. Hey, don't worry, there's other people we know who we're talking In this period of time, The Times of London, which also exists today, published articles on Ireland every single day. Its message was dizzying Lee consistent the Imperial Government should not spend money on Irish relief and I'm gonna quote from RTE here. The worst famine in a century was depicted as an extension of normal, recurring events, and the newspaper consistently complained about the financial burdens forced on British workers for the sake of the starving Irish. On fifteen September eighteen forty six, it's editorial declared, it appears to us at the very first important to all classes of Irish society is to impress on them that there is nothing really so peculiar, so exceptional in the condition which they look upon as the pit of utter despair. It continued, is the English laborer to compensate the Irish peasant for the loss of potatoes and secure him a regular employer for this next twelve month? Why the English laborer isn't just the same case? They were not? They were not, They were not? They weren't they sure weren't. Um Now, The Times argued that Ireland should pay for its own improvement, which you might say, shipping six of the food they're out to England in other places is paying for y'all either not hearing yourself or know what the hell you say it? Well the times his argument is that because people were suffering, and because suffering only really happens when you are not willing to work to make your life better, the fact that things were desperate in Ireland, it was an example of quote a case of permanent and inveterate national degradation. Yeah, yep, yeah, I just like I can't I can't st s enough. How in how the same artists it's the like, that's the same, it's the same argument. It's the same argument now, and and it just and like I'm like, but we can all look back at the same we can all rewind the tape to the same moment and can see how wrong they are for saying that, Like you can see that that's not there, that that's your fault, that they can't eat you can So how are people still making the same argument now about poverty? Yeah, it is the same, Like that's the thing. It's not it's what always happens, you know, It's this it must be their own fault, because if it's not their own fault, and perhaps number one, I would have to account for the fact that maybe my success and my the things that I enjoy not due to me doing anything to earn it. But also then perhaps if it's not their fault at all, and maybe it is the fault of a system that I benefit from, then it is incumbent upon me to make some changes. Um. Yes, and there is way harder than just writing a column for the Economist, which is why people still write so many columns for the Economists. Absolutely absolutely, But you're you're nailing on something that I think is like, I know, whenever I'm asked to do any sort of like d I training, it's that. It's that because if you admit that there was somebody suffering from this system unfairly, then that means you are unfairly being benefited for you And there's nothing special about your little nose you that. Yeah, that's not going to be popular to the people who read the Times of London, but you know it is popular to the people who read the Times of London. Every last one of these problems and services massive thing, big followings in Europe, you guys may not know about it really big, so check it out. Ah, and we're bachman, we're back man. So in the winter of eighteen forty seven, after this is like the third successive failure of the potato crop. Right. The famine had already killed hundreds of thousands of people. Culture, art, music had all come to a sudden, horrid halt in Ireland as it was gripped by unimaginable suffering. Just before Christmas, a landlord named Walsh in Mayo personally led the eviction of three villages. Local clergy had begged him to at least wait until after the holiday, but he refused. Homes were destroyed and everyone was forced out. One Quaker engaged in relief efforts later wrote quote, the people were all turned out of doors and the roofs of their houses pulled down. That night they made a tinterer shelter of wooden straw, but however, the drivers the bailiffs threw them down and drove them from the place. It would have pitied the sun to look at them, as they had to go headfirst into the storm. It was a night of high window and storm, and whaling could be heard at a great distance. They implored the drivers to allow them to remain a short time as it was so near the time of festival Christmas, but they would not. Previously a hundred and two families had lived in the area, but after the eviction only the walls of three houses remained. And it's one of those things. These evictions are being carried out by both local law enforcement and by English soldiers UM like soldiers of the occupation, and a lot of these guys are shocked by the cruelty of the landlords that they're enforcing evictions for UM. There are cases of officers asked to use their troops to enforce evictions who found reasons to deny the requests. UM. In one case in particular, Scottish soldiers lodged protests against being forced to evict families and even took up collections to give money to the people they were evicting. Now the evictions continued, so this maybe perhaps we should as we acknowledge the fact that people felt horrible about this. That didn't stop anything as a general rule, UM, and these small acts of kindness did nothing to alleviate suffering on a broader scale. I want to quote now from another write up in our te By eighteen forty seven, the sheer scale of eviction across Ireland prompted newspapers to employ special correspondents who visited the scene of clearances. Among the reporters in the field was James McCarthy, proprietor of the Limerick Examiner, who led the way in reporting on the scenes of havoc and despair. McCarthy had no shortage of material to report on, particularly in Counties Claire and Tipporary reporters like McCarthy were successful in harnessing public opinion and in some instances preventing eviction. It was often a perilous task, and McCarthy was assailed and insulted in the discharge of his duty by some of the disgruntled wretches who were employed in leveling the houses of the evicted tenants. Yet he was undeterred in reporting eviction, including at the Walter estate in Limerick, where he described the evicted being left to burrow into the earth for shelter. The so called exterminators were frequently challenged by the local press, who were quick to report on the sensational aspects of eviction, especially where women and young children were rejected. Follow evictions at the Westrip estate and Claire, it was reported that the body of a young boy had been found dead and eaten by dogs. Likewise, when Arthur Keeley Usher cleared over seven hundred people at bally sagart More Waterford was bally saggart More Waterford, it was reported that groups of famished women and crying children hovered the ruins where they clung for refuge beneath the crumbling chimneys. And again when we talk about like what kills people, some people do starve to death, some people die of exposure. A lot of people buy of disease because disease spreads rampantly. And you know, when you're kicking people out, you're forcing them into workhouses, You're you're they're just spending nights out. You know, they don't have access to shelter, which makes their immune systems where it's also the potatoes they were eating were high invitement c so the fact that they don't have vitamin Like there's a number of things that are happening. We talked about like what's killing people, but as much as anything, this is an eviction genocide. That's a big part of what is occurring in Ireland. Um, there was no organized resistance on a mass scale to a vis within the country. Uh, there were scattered murders and assaults on mayors and landlords, often from these kind of secret society groups we talked about in part of the victors were not just absentee landlords and members of the aristocracy. Many of them were members of the growing English and Irish middle class who had purchased land prior to the famine or during its early days when people were forced to flee their homes and so long I went up for cheap um. And it's worth noting that the largest landholder in Ireland during the famine UM, and as a result one of the largest victors was Trinity College in Dublin, UM which yeah, yeah, they were one of these. So this is not I can see the leadership is coming kind of from the UK, but the plenty of Irish people are part of this, you know. Yeah, another tale as old as time, and I get, I mean, I guess it's like, yeah, you can see it, like if you can, just if you don't think of it as like you know, old timey stuff and just think of it as just like you're just playing the numbers, and especially especially talking about this like rising middle crap middle class, they're like, yo, we ain't gotta we gotta nest egg Like there's we don't. We don't come from all that. We were barely getting this piece of land, and the only way for us to keep this land is we gotta pivot. I can't be having y'all on my land. I'm just gonna lose it, Like Lord, Lord forbid me become one of you again, you know what I'm saying. So if you're playing a numbers game, you know, forgetting the humanity, it's like it's it's it's again, no different than than the world we're living in now during like I said, our plague, but people being like I still have to pay the mortgage, so like I can't rent, I can't not collect rent. So it's like, I mean, I don't know what to say, like I sucks, but I have to evict you, or maybe it don't suck because you just like why have I mean I can't I have to st Yeah, none of these landlords, I mean some of them are these just cartoonishly out of touch rich people who are like, well, I would like to have the you know, I went to graze sheep. Now let's get them off the land. But most people don't like to feel like monsters. Like as a general rule, the people who are a part of this eviction genocide are not being like you know, they're finding ways to be like, well, this is just what oftentimes it is. I mean, it's still pretty dire because they're saying that, like, well, I'm a Malthusian and I believe that you know, overpopulation the only thing that happens when there's overpopulation, that that's what causes famine. Right, Rather than famine being a thing that happens and kills people, famine is caused by people breeding out of control. And so the real problem is that they bread and it's sad and it's tragic. But if we just feed them, then they're only going to breed more and that's just gonna cause more of a Right, people find ways to justify it, to feel like it's not they're not complicit in something nightmarish, as they always do, right, as everybody who's implicit in something nightmarish is done throughout history. Um. Now, it's worth noting that some of these evictions mirrored acts of genocide committed by the US government. One of the most striking was the Dulo Lake incident. This occurred between March thirty and thirty first, eighteen forty nine. A number of starving famine victims were ordered to show up at Louisbourg and be checked to see if they deserved relief tickets. Now, this is what it sounds like. This is again. Eventually there get some like plans implanted where people can get tickets that will entitle them to like some food and supplies and whatnot. Um So, these people who are all actively starving to death and often homeless, they assemble, they all go to Louisbourg and in some cases means while starving, they have to walk miles to get there. Um So they show up at this place to try to get tickets that will give them the food they need to not starve to death. And they are told when they arrive, oh, there's been a mistake, and the people who can evaluate you are actually sixteen kilometers away at this hunting So you've got to go walk there now, right, um So, four to six hundred people, maybe more like a thousand, it's really not exactly known, spend the night sleeping out in the freezing rain, because what else are they going to do? And then they march sixteen kilometers to this lodge, and when they arrive, the relief commissioners like, oh, we're actually eating right now, and we can't bother people while they're having their lunch, so you're going to have to wait until people finish eating. So the crowd, who does not provided with food, of course, sits around starving after their long walk while these commissioners eat. And then when the commissioners finished eating, they're able to meet with them, and the commissioners are saying, oh, I'm so sorry, but you don't qualify for relief. Actually we don't have any food for you. There's nothing here. I'm so sorry. Brittis is your British is pretty uh, pretty spot on right now and really in the moment, maybe it's just because I'm so furious that these people, while wiping flavorless, flavorless grades, seasoned season off your job being like, oh we have nothing for you. My God, get some guards. So these folks have their guards drive this horde of starving people away and forced them to march miles back in the frigid rain, where a bunch of them die. The bodies of at least seven people are found by the side of Dulo Lake, having starved on the way back. Other people are swept into the lake by a mud side and slide and drown. And this is this whole situation is like fucked up, And shall Darius say, Terry gilliamy enough, this is really some like Brazil ship. Yeah, yeah, that it. It becomes pretty significant news internationally, and it gets back to the United States and some of the people who read about what happens at Dulo Lake are Choctaw people, indigenous Americans. Now, eight years earlier, the Choctaw had been forced on a death march from Mississippi to Oklahoma by the United States government. And so eight years not a long time, still dealing very much with the effects of this fucking death march. The Choctaw here about what has happened to these Irish people, and despite being desperately impoverished, they take up a collection and get there's seven dollars worth of money, which is a lot at the time, and send it to Ireland for relief. Um wow, yeah, and uh that is still very much remembered by the Irish people today. There's a monument to the Choctaw. I'm not sure in Ireland as like there are people who give more, but there's no one who gives more and has less than the child exactly. You know, um that this is something that that has never been forgotten to this day, speaking of that, speaking of that unread Bible like yet another, yet another story Jesus talked about. We've we've talked about how there's a lot of solidarity in Ireland with the Palestinian cause because they recognize and there that's the same thing the chocolate. They are looking at this and being like, oh, ship, no, we know what that's like. Yes, suffering like to be type like suffering like nice people. It's like a type of empathy. You know what I'm saying, where you just like why I have the capacity to understand and to have a heartbreaking for the people of Ukraine and and the people of Yemen, and you know what I'm saying, the people of the Tigray region in Ethiopia. You know what I'm saying, Like I have capacity for all that because I've suffered in the the fact that you're trying to make a choice between which one of these things I need to care about is so indicative of exactly what these these people did in this incident. It is my job to judge whether you're worthy of my mercy. It's I think when when I have had conversations with Irish people about the Great Hunger, this is the story that probably gets brought up more than any other. Is the Choctaw donation. I think just incredible, such an emotionally affecting story. So throughout all of this, Travillion and the other public officials and politicians are adamant that landlords cannot be forced to keep tenants on their land, nor could they forcibly reduce rent. Right. That's a violation of the landlords right if you put any kind of rent control, and we can't do that. Um. But the scale of suffering was titanic enough by the late eighteen forties that the Eight and Good felt a need to donate. Sir Charles Wood Travillions Boss donated two hundred pounds sterling to famine relief. Queen Victoria gives two thousand pounds. That's very nice. That's got to be a significant chunk of her She probably doesn't have much more than two thousand pounds, right. The Queen Queen Doria, that's all she could afford. Um. The Pope gives a thousand The Pope, you know in Rome, gives a thousand pounds in an aid. You want to guess how much Chucky Trevillian gives. I'm gonna peas. Yeah, you fucking give you? You mean just that's literally, that is an amount to just be able to say I donated, right, Yeah, fuck yourself all day and twice on Sunday. I want telling me the oldest you. I didn't know this play was this old for rich people to just donate to a charity. I didn't know that that play was that play. It has stood the test of time. So rather than understanding that you are the problem and you could easily solve it, just donate to a cause, like I am impressed. Did rich people have figured out how to do it? Is Travalion is the one that's easiest to make fun of here. I think the Queen and the Catholic Church should actually get more ship. And I'm going to read a quote here from Tim pat Coogan about why so we're gonna start with the pope. The people of Rome contributed generously to Irish relief as did a few cardinals, but no masterpieces from the Vatican's art collection were removed for sale to help supplement the appeal, and it is likely that the amount of money that was collected came mainly not as a result of the Pope's letter, but from the generosity of the Irish Catholic diaspora, particularly from America. In fact, that the height of the famine, it was the Irish who sent money to the pope. In eighteen forty nine, the Pope was on the run because Republican forces had temporarily driven him from the Vatican. The Wish bishops were ordered to take up a colleption collection to help defray papal expenses. To judge from a letter to the Archbishop of Dublin, Dr. Murray, this appeal much of must have realized much more than the Pope's gift of a thousand pounds, so the Irish, while starving, donate more money in the pope anyway funds, and again this is This is not to say one of the most effective forces for relief is the Catholic churches in Ireland, which are supported financially by the Irish people, not by the Church in Rome. Right not to not to cut them out of this, because there's a lot of Catholic clergy who do a ton during this period, just not the fucking pope. Just not him, you know. Um. One of the more interesting donors is Sultan Abdul Messid of Turkey. Right, he's the Ottoman leader. He wants to give he's very moved by the suffering of the Irish people. He wants to donate ten tho pounds, right, That is a ton of money back in the day, that's a lot of money. But when he says he goes to the British bastards like I've got I'm gonna give. I want to give ten thousand pounds to relieve, to try to help these people, And the British ambassador says, well, you know, that's a very nice gift, sir, But you see the Queen's given two thousand pounds and you can't you can't say her gift. You know, that would be quite improper. You know what people thinking about her clouds fucking Queen Victoria. Yeah, my gosh, now, okay, it is worth noting to the Sultan's credit. When he's like, all right, well, I can't donate as much cash as I want to. He fills five boats with grain and he sends them to Ireland at his own expense to feed the starving Turkish soldiers. It's said have to unload the grain in secret at night in order to avoid embarrassing the royal family. Oh my god, day that petty. That family been petty for that long. Okay, and yeah, the Turkeys. So it's like, if you talk, you already an empire. So you I mean, it's not like you don't empathize. It's like the Sultan's not like out, you know, he's hurtin. Yeah. I was like, he's a sultan. Yes he's fine, but at least that's not nothing, you know, that's a meaningful that's a meaningful attempt to relieve stuff, like his little piece of like understanding of like, well, of course I don't want to upstate the queen. I mean, I mean, I'm assaulted. I wouldn't want to be upstage either. So it is what we're gonna do. We're gonna slide this in there because y'all trip in. But I get it. You don't just like slide this in there under the Yeah, And I just wonder if you're a Turk your soldier if you're just like, man, what hi, alright, alright, I guess okay, you know. Yeah, there's a line in Tim pat Coogan's book that I found interesting. I can't vouch for it because I'm not Irish, but he points out that, like obviously you know, in World War One, Irish soldiers are a major part of the effort at the Battle of Gallipoli, which is this shipload because the British Empires forces get their asses handed to them by the turkicle. I mean, it's not to say that it's an easy it's a nightmare. It's one of the battles there's been in the history of warfare. And Tim past glibly Glippoli, Tim tie Hugan makes a point that like at today, there's no more ill will from the Irish towards the Turks for the casualties at the Battle of Gallipoli, but there are still monuments to the Turkish soldiers who came and like handed out delivered fo Yeah you really do, I mean you remember friends, Yeah, yeah, you remember whose graces to you? Yea? So Charles travallion Um issued copies of Adam Smith's books to his employees carrying out relief operations in Ireland. He told them that they should be used as guides and handling how to feed the starving. Now, this does not mean that Trevillion did nothing that was capable. In fact, he helped to organize a network of soup kitchens from late eighty seven, which were a fairly effective relief effort and helped stop several significant number of people from dying. That said, it's not like the soup kitchens were his idea. You know, he was just like the guy who wound up helping to organize them. Um, and he was one of the people. A lot of folks did see them as dangerous, as bad for the Irish spirit, because it would encourage indolence. Travellian typified the feelings of many English civil servants when he said, the judgment of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish lesson that calamity must not be too much mitigated. The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people. So it's like it's just God sent the famine to Ireland to teach the Irish something, and so we can't help them too much. We can't save too many lives because that would piss God off. Piss God God and Adam Smith, who are basically the same to Chucky Truth, Chuckiele Clearly you're just like we it's already happening to him, and we all already know you to cause of it. Let that be enough for you to have to keep giving these speeches like this somehow my fault is. I'm just like that's where I'm just like, now you're now you're pissing on my grave. Okay, Like if you could at least just yeah to me, like that's the salt in the would that you keep that y'all keep saying that this is God's will because this is all fault. Like that's when you when when it's just when you're just ready to throw a chair, it's like, I feel like it's that feeling. Well it's not as bad, but it's that feeling when somebody when a politician get on the especially like a like a like a white boy get on the stage and be like, well, if Martin Luther King was alive today, he would say, I'm like I'm gonna throw a chair at you. I'm like, that's like, I just want to throw a chair. Like there's a thousand chick Dr King's name out your fucking mouth. I mean, yeah, there's that's one thing. Like the guy said a lot, like you don't have to put words in his mouth and spoke on a bunch of stuff. Actually spokes a lot of things that are relevant to this story. Yes, I'm pretty sure happening the story we talked about right now. He had a number of opinions on free market economics. Actually, I tell you what, you don't have to invent things anyway. You do if you want him to sound like he agrees with something else, because you know, there's Martin Luther King, and then there's Martin Luther King. You know, there's there's the media Martin Luther King. That is easy for anybody to turn into a guy on their side while they're giving a speech about whatever. Um I marched with King? Yeah, alright, buddy, um so potato. The famine plot goes into greater detail about how Travalian personally intervened to exacerbate the famine in the name of his precious fre market principles. Quote one of his first actions on Peel's departure in June six Because Peel, you know, Russell takes over for Peel, right he eventually leaves being Prime Minister symbolizes the attitude he was to adopt throughout the famine. He canceled a shipment of grain on its way to Ireland. He wrote to Thomas Bearing on July eighteen forty six, who's the head of the bank. The cargo of food is not wanted. Her owners must dispose of it as they think proper. Bearing replied, congratulating him on the termination of your feeding operations. When the complexity and the time consuming nature of the corn processing was brought to his attention, Travillion made two decisive interventions. First, he wrote to the Bearing to bear it to the Bearings, temporarily cutting back on the corn supply by fifty and asking that henceforth, whenever possible, Indian corn meal should be sent rather than unprocessed grain. Second, he decreed that there was no need for the Indian corn to be ground. Twice, in a letter to Ruth, he summed up his attitude towards Relief. It was that of the workhouse we must not aim at giving more than a wholesome food. I cannot believe it would be necessary to grindto the Indian corn twice. Dependence on charity is not to be made an agreeable mode of life. In Ireland in early eighty six, there was very little danger that the poorest classes would find dependence on Peel's Yellow meal agreeable. The milling deficiencies and the fact that through hunger, many of the recipients did not give it sufficient cooking time made for severe and widespread bowel complaints, particularly among children. Hence the meal quickly became known as Peel's brimstone. Why would they need it milled twice? Well, if I have to mill it, let's send half as much. You know, we don't want them to get lazy because we're doing all of this work. Yeah, there's that. Sounds like there's that thing again. We can't help you because if we help you, then that means you'll never do anything for yourself. Yeah. Now you know who isn't lazy? Yeah, I know it's not lazy. Yeah. Yeah, these amazing absolutely now they know how to work for themselves. You know, these these products, they really they're not like you are, not indolent. I tell you what, they're more kinzy. They don't need to grind their corn more than once. Sometimes they just eat it raw. Just hardcore law. Baby, and we're back. Uh boy, howdy. Um So, the famine brought through a series of changes in what we're known as Ireland's poor laws. Uh And for this, I'm going to quote from a write up by Virginia Corpsman of Oxford Brooks University. Prior to the Great Famine, relief was only available within the workhouse. Under the pressure of mass starvation and with many workhouses full to overflowing, the system was extended in eighteen forty seven to allow poor law boards to grant outdoor relief to the sick and disabled and two widows with two and two widows with two or more legitimate children. Outdoor relief could only be granted to the able bodied if the workhouse was full or a sight of infection. Anyone occupying more than one quarter of an acre of land, however, was excluded from receiving relief. The effect of this provision, when combined with falling rent rolls and the liability of landlords to pay the poor rates on holdings worth less than four pounds per annum was to encourage landlords to evict their smallest tenants. Workhouse occupancy rose from around four hundred and seventeen thousand and eighteen forty seven to around nine hundred and thirty two thousands by the end of eighteen forty nine. So one of the things they do is they make an advantageous financially to evict people um for the landlords, because it makes for a better tax situation because then you don't have to pay as much and we gotta pay for it. Yeah, yeah, it's and the idea of like, if you own what was it, one quarter a quarter acre? Not not even Yeah, that's I was like, wait, not even Oh, you just gotta live on it. So if you got you got a little well, I don't know, man, you got a quarter you cool? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I guess I could if I had that little quarter of an acre, I guess I could plant some foods. Yeah, theoretically, right, theoretically a quarter acre, by the way, not a ton of space to grow enough food both to pay your mint and keep a family. Of course, that of course the food I would I would grow to eat I have to pay and also it doesn't grow right now, a lot of the food that I would eat. So yeah, but people are really edged out of many options here. Yes, So the poor laws effectively put the burden too caring for starving Irish masses on Irish landowners and business owners. One thing this did was make it clear to the that the United Kingdom that Ireland had been made to join an eight hundred that like that this this idea of the UK doesn't exist for the Irish right because none of the funding for this is coming from outside of Ireland. Ireland like, they stopped that immediately. Menlike Travalian didn't see this as England abandoning Ireland. They saw this as England crafting laws to change the Irish into something else that would make them better people. Right, that's the reasoning behind all this. There's a lot of intent in the terrible things they're doing. These aren't just like random bad laws. They want to fundamentally alter an and get rid of a lot of Irish people in order to make them better. You know it's that Yeah, it sounds like that, like kill the Indians, save the man. In a letter he wrote to Edward Twistleton, the Chief Poor Law Commissioner of Ireland travel In said, we must not complain of what we really want to obtain. If small farmers go and their landlords are reduced to sell portions of their estates to persons who will invest capital, we shall at last arrive at something like a satisfactory settlement of the country. Yeah, this is again that he's well, they just die off. Yeah, it's an ethnic cleansing for economic purposes. That's what he's discussing with A very convenient, A convenient uh fungus. Yeah, yeah, this fungus convenient. It helps out now. The famine also provided an opportunity for the crown and its servants to rid Ireland of some of its pesky and rebellious young men. Crime, which during the famine often meant simply stealing food, was punished, often by transportation. This was the FOURT expulsion of a criminal to somewhere like Australia. John Mitchell, leader of a nationalist group named Young Ireland, was transported in eighteen forty eight to Australia. He later called the famine quote an artificial famine. Potatoes failed in like manner all over Europe, yet there was no famine save in Ireland. The Almighty indeed sent the potato blight, but the English created the famine. Si nailed. Time has proven his words very correct. The potato again did fail for years, but only in Ireland was their famine and death on an industrial scale. Huge numbers of Irish people fled their homeland in this period, many of whom wound up in the United States. Right, this is when we really get our big waves of Irish immigration. This is pretty well known to most Americans, so I prefer to focus on the fact that a ton of Irish folks also go to England. Right, it is you know a bit closer. Yeah. Uh. Tens of thousands of famine victims flee to the seat of the Imperial government, hoping for a chance to survive. This, of course, does not make English people very In eighteen fifty, the Liverpool Mercury wrote that the lamentable excess of crime in that city has been caused entirely by Irish refugees. This constant influx of Irish misery and crime is almost impossible to restrain, and of course there are huge surges in the number of people arrested and charged with crimes, most of whom are Irish because guess who the cops are focused on. Man, Listen, I don't look listen, I'm I'm making a retroactive plead to the Irish, like man, when when whiteness comes knock it like you don't don't don't answer that called man, come to with us? You see, how doing you just be with us? Because yeah, I mean there's an unfortunate story of like how a lot of these famine victims come to the United States and many wind up becoming police. And it's a whole tale. Yeah, it's a whole tale. It's a whole thing. Yeah, yeah, that's why I was just like, man, listen, why do y'all doing this? Like you know what they do to you? They did, they did they do to you, They're doing to us what they did to you. Like, come all, guys, No, it's a it's a it's it's not a book that we're reading through here. Isn't the playbook because it doesn't work exactly, It's works because good it works pretty well. You want to be It's like, at the end of the day, man, like you want to be the hunter or the hunter, and if you have a chance to become the hunter, ten out of ten times you just do that it's rather than rather than that being eight, and it just and it's like it just sucks. But it is what it is. It is what it is. So it's also worth emphasizing that many, many foreigners did travel to Ireland during her time of need to try and help Quakers, in particular, probably like the group that came in and did the most good, like huge amount of life saved by Quakers who operated soup kitchens and engaged another very compassionate aid work, like really incredible ship. And in fact, when you go through like English newspapers in this period that are like people who are publishing columns and letters of anti Ira bigotry, you will also find Quakers writing and to be like shut the funk up, you know, but basically because yeah, they're not. They're they're a little nicer about Yeah. Many Americans also traveled to the island to help. One American philanthropist at the time wrote of Irish famine victims, I could scarcely believe that these creatures were my fellow beings. Never have I seen slaves so degraded. And here I learned that there are many pages in the volume of slavery, and that every branch of it proceeds from one and the same route, that it assumes different shapes. These poor creatures are in his virtual bondage to their landlords and superiors, as it is possible for mind or body to be. They cannot work unless they bid them, they cannot eat unless they feed them, and they cannot get away unless they help them. Wow. Yeah, yep, yep, Yeah, there's a lot of truth, man. There are many pages in the volume of slavery, and that every branch it proceeds from one and the same route. It's the same room. Yes, So no sympathy at all was to be found in the heart of the regent, Queen Victoria, who came to be known as the Famine Queen for her government's utter failure. And this is something that happens really after the famine, but there's still a push in Ireland out to call her the family King. Yeah. Historian Christine keen Kinney, director of the Great Hunger Institute, sums it up thus Lee there is no evidence that she had any real compassion for the Irish people in any way. When she visited Ireland for the first time in eighteen forty nine. Near the end of the famine, huge numbers of soldiers were needed to keep the streets clear and ensure that she saw no real sign of the suffering her agents had permitted. We could go on and on about different policies, how they failed or succeeded, which other individuals played roles in the famine. Eventually it ended, but only after tremendous suffering. At least one million people starved to death. Modern scholars suspect the real number was closer to two million one point nine millions something like that. Millions more left the island, either due to forced transportation or immigration and hope of a better life or just survival from a pre famine population of almost nine million. Ireland's population post famine was less than five million um, and it did not exceed five million again until last year. So for a an idea of the scale of how this famine compares to modern famines, the famine and Yemen right now is probably the number one humanitarian crisis on the globe. At the moment, at least a hundred thousand people have already starved to death. Experts warn that four hundred thousand's children under the age of five could die in the near future without sufficient intervention. Um, it is a Titanic problem. That is a hundred thousand dead so far out of a population of thirty million. The faminine Darfur was probably the most prominent twenty first century famine before yomen. It killed around a hundred thousand people out of a population of twenty seven million. Now, both of these are Titanic tragedies, and I'm trying to minimize that in any way, But two million dead out of nine million for an example of like the scale Yeah of this U Yeah, like it's uh, that's yeah. Yeah, and just and like adding the like roll that weather plays that like yeah, it's it's just it was a it's a perfect storm. You know when in the history of time and you know, understanding of how viruses and bacteria work, like when this happened is the perfect storm of being like, yeah, it's gonna wipe you all out. Yeah yep. And and there's a lot of people who have a vested interest in allowing you to be wiped out. Um yep. Anyway, because because we're gonna graze this We're gonna graze this land with these these hipster to get some sheep. You know I'm gonna get some sheep. So fuck Charles Trevillion. That's that's all day, every day. Yeah, definitely don't like that. I found an article that interviews his great great great granddaughter who was a BBC reporter, Laura Trevillion Um and she she got she got sent for an idea of like, maybe how out of touch the BBC can be. They have Charles Trevillian's great great great granddaughter and in the mid nineties, when like ship's going off in northern Ireland, they send her as a correspondent. Let's go, so she says, quote, I was interviewing a member of the Republican Shinfei and in southern Arma, and she asked if I was related to Charles Travallion. I said I was, And she asked me how I could live in Ireland when I had the blood of the Irish on my hands. She wasn't joking. I was constantly surprised by the number of people who knew about Charles Trevalian and the impact that the famine has in Ireland more than a hundred fifty years later. Yet I felt ashamed that I didn't know all that much about him. And she wrote writes a book because of this, called a Very British Family about the Trevillian family. And he like heard just being cute, like like, hey, are you related to Yeah, that's like my great great granddad, you know him. You're like, uh hum, that's a chair throw that's another yeah, Like I'm happy that lady didn't throw the chair again. Real real uh real restraint on behalf of the Irish Republicans there there is, I know that can be a spicy crowd. I'm surprissed. Um, So she writes this fucking book. Uh, and she says of it, I'm not defending him or endorsing some of his actions, but I want to show he was more humane than has been portrayed. He did work very hard to try and improve the situation in Ireland and had a genuine concern for the welfare of the people. It's all right, like yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, look listen, there's your grand your granddaddy, a piece of ship. It's just we have it. There's some fucking incredible quotes from this lady. Um. He is vilified in Ireland, and not wrongly because the policy enacted by the government at the time is impossible to defend a policy of effectively withholding relief and allowing market forces to take their courses brutal. However, what I'm taking what I'm taking issue with, is the portrayal of him as someone who wanted the Irish to die. Yes, he was a providentialist who felt the famine had been the will of God. But that's not the same as saying he wanted the Irish to die. Kind of man, it's this a little bit that kind of is And unless you're being like God wants these people to die, but fuck him, I'm gonna fight him, you know. But that's not what Charles Valiant was saying. No, No, I don't know, man, I listen, I don't know man. I'm just listen. Your granddaddy piece. I think your granddad just gonna have to live with it. You know what I'm saying, Just live with it. They don't mean you a piece it. They don't mean that. Okay, there, listen, we all you can't go and hired. You can't go into nobody's family tree and not find a piece of Yeah. Absolutely, it's just there in all of our families. Look like, what do you want me to say? He was a piece of ship. There's a lot of blood on his hands. Yeah, you probably can't go into anyone's background and not find somebody who helped do with genocide at some point. There's been a lot of bodies that we've done, a lot of them as a species, a lot of them. It happen you were, Yes, you were later in that line, you've got somebody like and it's fine because people aren't responsible for their ancestors. Just don't write what do you get about? How what you what makes you responsible? Is you trying to justify it rather than being like the rest of us, which is like, yeah, you know, yeah it's cool, it's good stuff. Uh not write no book. One of them dead, But that doesn't mean he didn't like them, you know, say, I just figure I won't feed him because this principle. Yeah, but I don't mean I want them to die. Yeah, it's a shame they're dying. I wish I could do something about it. As the guy responsible for the relief efforts, I mean, we're trying to find the guide who did this. As Charles Travallion in the banana costume, well a potato costume. Let's let's go to potato costume. But Doug, this is glorious, man, just man, don't write a book about the end of the story, this book about him. I'm sure there's there's a valid case for like, well, we have this family archives, and I'm going to write a book revealing like what made him the kind of man who would do this, and like take a hard note that that. That's fine. There's some survive there's some like descendants of Nazis who have written some very good things about grappling with the fact that like, yeah, my grandpa did some ship, you know. Yeah, there's that. That's a really valuable thing to do. Actually, because it's a species, you could stand a better at that. Yeah. Yeah. Or I'm like again, like we said, people are two opposite things can be true at the same time. Surely, surely your murderous grandfather was a very cuddly person who could read you a bedtime story, you know what I'm saying, who really loved you know, nice strolls, you know, and got your grandma daisies every Sunday. Yes, and also is a bloodthirsty murder. They're they're both true. So even if you're gonna defend your Granddaddy like, hey, you know what, he was really nice to my mom then late and just talk about that part I this is. Don't try to like the piece of ship stuff is just piece of ship stuff. So just let it be what it is. People like things to be clear cut, and I think there's not enough of an understanding that probably most of the people who have personally participated in genocide throughout history have been perfectly pleasant human beings outside of that moment. And probably most of the people who owned slaves were lovely to their wife and children. They were just fine at ignoring the humanity of certain other people, you know, Like, that's what I'm saying. You could be two things. Well, you know, well my like well not Big Daddy, Greig big Daddy. You know, well, I do declare. I'd go hang out at Big Daddy's house and we'd sit on the pot and we drink our lemonade and he would play tea with us the whole Big Daddy was so love Yeah, yes, Big Daddy was very loving to you. Yep, it's awesome. That was my Southern Bell. How did I do as good as your fine? I mean, my cotillion, We really I can't deal with this, I've caught the vapors. I would like some alabaster columns, plantation, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't have a good I don't have a good Southern bell. Ready. I apologize, No, I apologize. I like. I like pulling alabaster out. I do. It's one of my favorite words. You really sound white when you say alabaster. There's no other reason to say that. Less Again, you're the strongest one reading a gospel in your But besides that, why would you ever say alabasas? It's a fun stuff. Well, that's the story of the Great Hunger, Great Hunger, the potato plight, the Unnecessary Family. Yeah, the British Famine, the British Family. It would be so up if in like Ireland, their books were called The Unnecessary Famine. Yeah, the Unnecessary I mean, the famine plot is a good one. Coogan frames it very much, is like, yeah, it was like people meant for this ship to go down. Yeah, the famine plot. Y'all did this, which is cool. Um, it's not cool, but it's good to talk about things accurately. Prop you want to plug anything before we roll out in a hail of I Do podcast, I do I UM. I wrote a book called After the Revolution. You can google a v what if I did? What if I? What if I did write it? And I just accidentally just told on us that that I just I just stole your book. Yeah. I was like wait. I was like, yeah, Robert, I waited till this whole time to tell you I want my book prop hip. Hop. I did write a book. It's called Terraform. It's um poetry in short story. Uh, and I I haven't won any awards for it. It's okay. You know who else didn't win any awards? Well? You know who want actually a lot of awards is Charles Travalion. He got like Knighted and ship You want to bunch want any of that? Yeah? Maybe maybe awards aren't really worth anything. Maybe you're not wor Yeah. Yeah, all right, well that's the podcast. All right, dude, go out and again find uh property of the British royal family and damage it. Yeah, and find yourself, find yourself, uh somebody in the military and uninvite them into your home. Yeah yeah, invite a soldier into your house and be like, you know what gets the funk out you don't get to be in my house. Third Amendment motherfucker by