Well, Sophie, I don't know if I agree with you that a Kamala Harris themed erotic vampire anime would be successful. But I guess we all have different opinions on things. Oh, I didn't notice the audience had had come in here. I'm Robert Evanance. This is Behind Bastards. It's a podcast about the worst people in all of history. Sophie and Christopher and I were just having a conversation about manga's that we think would be successful. Um so, Christopher, I don't know, what do you think erotic Kamala Harris vampire anime? I mean I can see it. Look okay, the you know the advantage you get you get out of out of it? About of anime? Right, everyone's eyes enormously large. You can lose. You cannot loose with this. Yeah, absolutely, eyes are too big. Science says that we find the big ice cute, cannot go wrong, cannot go wrong. Um, well, other things you can't go wrong with our classic Behind the Bastard's reverse episode where where one of my Sophie are we allowed to call them indentured servants? No, we're one of my indentured podcast guests in this case. Christopher. Also, um, well, okay, Sophie one of our team members, one of the members of our squad, Sophie, there is no iron team, but several of the letters that are also in Indentured Servant are in the worst team. So, Robert, that was worse than that was worse than the fake laugh you did at the start of this episode. Christopher Wong, who is on our team, a valued member of the Zone Media squad. I'd prefer uh hunt the cool Zone Media Hunt. I've always felt we were more of a regime. Oh god, you know your your web cram being broken and me not being able to look you in the eyes when I'm angry really upset to me. I know, I know that's part of why I haven't fixed it. Christopher, are we gonna learn about today well on this podcast for before we formally start. Robert, how do you feel about Operation paper Clip? Um? Oh, you know, so when World War two ended, right, same kind of feeling that I got when like the last Lord of the Rings movie finished, or like when Firefly got canceled, and I'm like, but I wanted more. I wanted more from these kookie Nazis and their crimes and then the US government and the Russian government in two separate operations, were like, don't worry, Robert, We're gonna give those guys future jobs. You can keep following the careers of Albert Speer, Verner von Brown, a bunch of other Nazis, including that guy the CIA hired, and see what they do after the war. It's like, um, you know what it's like. Uh, it's like that TV show Joey after Friends got canceled. That's what Operation paper Clip is for the Nazis. And I I personally, as a fan of both Joey and World War two history, I think that's great. What's Joey's last name, Triviana, something like that. More or less, it's been a long time since I watched the episode of Friends. Look, it's been like fifteen years. Come on, oh well, Robert, you're you're going to love part two of this. And I'm gonna start out at this episode. I'm gonna make an incredibly bold claim and we'll see how to see if you agree with it after after after the part the second part of this episode, UM, I maintain that the rehabilitation of Nobisuka Kishi, who is the subody give today's episode is the single worst example of the US rehabilitating a war criminal after the end of the days, this is the worst one. I'm excited because this is a new war criminal for me, which is a huge day in Robert Land. Yeah, yeah, alright. So Kishi was born on November eighte in a village Inmgushi Prefecture of Japan. Now she she is born in an incredibly important time in Japanese history, right, just literally right at the beginning of the second phase of Japanese imperialism. So to get us to the second phase, um so, after the restoration the Emperor and the Meiji restoration of Japan rapidly starts importing European technology, European organizational principles, your Pean ideology, and European racism in order to do a rapid quote unquote modernization campaign in order to compete with the European nations. Now, Japan was not exactly like an egalitarian paradise before they started doing this. And you know the consequence of this is that you know, they take the colonialism like a fish to water. And this starts what I'm going to call the three phases of Japanese imperialism. You have imperialism one, imperialism to imperialism harder, and imperialism with three tokyo drift. I'm very frustrated that that you didn't do an imperialism too electric boogaloo. But but you know, we'll we'll discuss that at your next performance evaluation. I will I I will endeavor to get better references when I name phases of imperialism to after bad movie idols. Yeah. So, imperialism one basically starts right as the major restoration happens, and and it lasts roughly from about eighteen sixty eight to the start of the Sino Japanese War in eighteen ninety four. And and this is the phase that everyone ignores because it's you know, this phase imperialism is very very local or it's happening inside Japan itself, but it's extremely important to understand, like everything's gonna happen next we're gonna talk about it for a little bit. And now. So the the sort of the defining characteristics of this first phase are the horrifically violent assimilation of the Anui people in Hokkaido, the annexation of the Rioku Islands. Might not know what those are the biggest one is Okinawa. You probably know what that is. Yeah. My my half of my family has been half of their lives there. Yeah. Yeah, very nice place, Very very bad things happened to people there. Yeah. There's a monument at the north of the island called Peace Prayer Park because when the when the US took the island, the Japanese occupiers told them like, hey, you're all going to get murdered and raped by US troops. You should just kill yourselves now. And so a shipload of Okahoma has just flung themselves off the cliffs. Uh. And now there's a very nice monument there. Um, it's a lot of bad things have gone down in the Yeah. Yeah, this is the Japanese Empire is just sending enormous numbers of people to their deaths. Is running FEMA this episode. Yeah, it's it is remarkable when you're telling a story that takes place, when you're telling a story about colonialism in Asia. Uh, and the US is not the specific bad guy at the story. Yeah, like like, yeah, the Empire of Japan got like yeah, like this is the thing that like the Americans don't become the bad guys in this story until two years into the occupation, which is like like I'm trying to I can't. I don't know if like another time ever the U. S has like military occupy another country and it took two years for them to become like the bad guys. It's yeah, we got faster, don't worry, guys. Yeah, yeah, we've We've improved our game. That's what Taylorism brings you. Yep. Yeah, actually this was the Gakishi. We a lot of just got cut. But Kishi, big fan of Taylorism, absolutely loves it. And yeah him and are cops yep, yep. It's it's great stuff. And you know, there's one more thing that happens, and this is I think the least well known of the stuff that happens in Japan in this period, which is that there's this just mass destruction and looting of thousands and thousands of these local non Shinto shrines like in Japan itself, and they had this this this giant like culture Confian just like annihilates like all of this sort of like local non like Shinto religions, and you know, all of this violence is about sort of it's about annihilating any other culture in Japan and forcing everyone to sort of assemblight to the new Japanese nation state. And you know, I mean, this is this is what nine century nationalism is. This this attempt to impose like a single national language and culture on a bunch of people who you know, until this point, like the only thing most a lot of these people have in common is that like armed men show up every year and take stuff, some of them to give it the same king. Like. Other than that, you know, they have different cultures, have languages, and you know, and in order to get rid of days that used to be all government was was armed men taking your stuff and giving it to the king. And one day, when libertarianism wins, we'll get back to that. I wonder, yeah, I wonder how long it would take for for the CEO. So it just literally started pointing themselves monarchs. I don't know, you know, there's that um the Twitter account run in part by the Kent State gun Girl, the Liberty Hangout accounts like a libertarian conservative account like four years ago, and in about a year and a half was like an ironically advocating the establishment of a monarchy contract. That's why I made that joke. It's like literally a thing that's happening incredible. Yeah, okay, continue, Yeah, you know, and all the violence of you know, we've been talking about the violence in Okkaido, the violence in the islands, and the violence in Japan itself. Like this is this is the crucible in which Japanese nationalism is formed. And you know, and like like like the rest of the twenty century nationalisms, the only place so that goes is imperialism, to imperialism harder. And this this phase begins in eight when Japan launches a war against China basically over control the Korean Peninsula and they just like they just smashed the Chinese army. Um. We we talked about this war a little bit from the Chinese side and our Jong Zung Chong episode, but you know, from from the Japanese perspective, this war makes Japan like the premier like power in East Asia. Like they're they're they're they're they're the big Asian power and you know, and Kishi is born the year after Japan wins the Sound Japanese War, and when he's eight years old, Japan wins his next major war, which is the Rusto Japanese War. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, Japan, Like, yeah, Japan beats Russia so badly war it's amazing. Yeah, that's like, yeah, the Russians are so like start the war with such a like we're gonna win us an easy victory against the savages and then lose their entire north fleet just just just their asses hand to them almost like one of the biggest ass whoopings of the entire century military. It's it's it's kind of funny because it's like, okay, so like you know, they sailed this, they sailed the second fleet from like all the way around Europe, around Africa, and you know, I destroyed to but the first fleet like the reason next, so there there is exactly one guy in the entire Russian Navy who has any idea what he's doing. His name is Makarov. He's he's the guy who had to the icebreaker, like like he actually does what he's doing. And also from him, yeah, he's a he's a cool guy. And then like like at like at max range, just like a random Japanese cannon shot just like killed him in the entirety of like Russian like high command, and that was it for the Russian Davy because there's no one else in the whole navy that like wasn't just like rand aristocratic appointment. It's it's a god yeah, it's it's great because you know, it takes a lot to stand out as a Russian naval disaster, because the Russian Navy has pretty comprehensively been a ship show. We could talk about the Kurs or the fact that their only aircraft carrier, the Admiral koltz nets Off, keeps loking. It's dry dock on fire. We can talk about a lot of stories of the Russian navy, but please we should probably continue. We'll do a whole Russian navy. Yeah yeah, you know, and like like in Russia, like they lose this war so badly it causes a revolution and you know, but in Japan, this is like, you know, this is when Japan like becomes one of the great powers. It's no, it's no longer this like minor regional power. Like it's one of the great powers, and you know, everybody's going to take them seriously after this the biggest land empire in Europe. Yeah yeah, well and everything, it's like, you know, they beat a European power. Yeah, like that that's a huge deal in this period, and like there's a lot of people who will support the Japanese Empire like out of like anti imperialism. Basically, it's like they're a non white empire. We have to yeah, and this is yeah, you know, trying to explain that, I don't know, somebody in Nanjing. Yep, yep. Oh boy, don't worry. It's an imperialist empire that's shot your family to debt anyway. Yeah, yeah, it's it's bad stuff. But you know, like they're the product of this is like she's is growing up in the period like when Japan becomes like a super power and you know, they're they're they're like a minor great power, Like they're not like Germany or like like I don't know, or like the UK or France at this point, but you know, they're still a great power. And you know, and this is this is this is going to be sort of important because this is the sort of this is the sort of like era of nationalism and era sort of like triumphalism that that she's coming up in. And Kesh is going to be one of, if not the main, architect of imperialism with three Tokyo drift when that phase starts thirty seven and then that that's the fascist phase. So we're gonna we're we're yeah, we're gonna, We're gonna work our way up to that throughout the course of this. Now she she's great grandfather was actually like yeah, you know, this is another source of the sort of like nationalism and patriots. And he comes up in is he was like famous enough for doing like anti shogun stuff if for the restoration that like when he dies, there's like a bunch of articles on newspaper about it. But you know she doesn't that you know too. And after she dies, the Kishi family business goes under and this starts off this just really weird set of family drama and she Kish's family is wild. Um. So she's older brother is Sato Ihiro, and you know he becomes a vice amirald the Navy. His younger brother, Sato Issaku, is the third longest serving prime minister in Japanese history. Kishi spoiler alert, is also going to become prime minister. And he's like kind of distantly related to a third Japanese prime minister, you Shota Shiguru, which is extremely funny and reasons that we'll get into in the second episode. Like like these people are like they're like the Japanese bushes, except like the Patos are just like they're just random people, Like they're not like rich, like they're just Yeah, it's it's it's the opportunity ship. Yeah, yeah, like that. It's like that they they just like for one generation. Actually, you know after the after, they're gonna keep they're gonna be staying politics like that one generation just like just ran Japanese politics for like half a century. It doesn't seem like that's ever a good idea. Yeah, it's it's not great. Perhaps running paras politics isn't such a great idea, but that's a cop out anyway. Now because the sort of the family business imploded, like she she's uncle. Mansasuke goes to such like studying medicine in Tokyo and becomes a professor obstetrics. Yeah, and you know, so Matsuke doesn't have any sons, and so he adopts she she's younger brother Issaku, to to marry his daughter. And again I want to point out, okay, Mantasuke is she's uncle, right, that means that Eaku is marrying his first cousin, and she also marries his cousin Like this is like not like a normal thing in this period, Like people don't marry their first cousins like that often. And like both of the people in this family directly people knew a while ago, people knew a long time before this that like that's not really a great idea that happening. Don't aren't looking so good like they do it anyways, and it's it's it's a great it's a great sign of where this is going. So so Kishi stays with Matasuke when he's like very little, and his uncle realizes that Kishi is extremely smart, and you know, like he hires a home tutor to help Kishi passed is like incredibly selective interest exams for this middle school, and then he hires want to teach him English, and you know, it's this whole thing where he's a child prodigy and his uncle is like, I'm going to raise him, and you know, like like Martsasuki like like deeply genuinely love's Kishi. One of his biographers described it, quote treating his uncle like a son. Massasuke showered as much afection on Novasuke as did his own parents. Now, unfortunately for Kishi and unfortunately for like all of East Asia, uh In, in the middle of second year of middle school, Montessuke dies of pneumonia and she sent off to live with what there was other aunts, and you know, like this is this is like pretty, but he's still like a young kid at this point, and this is like this is really bad for him emotionally, and you know that the second family that he gets sent to live with is like way less nice to him, and so you know, he still get support his academic career, but he has his like he he he has his weird young age trauma, which like a couple of one of his biographers like points this out and and it is like, yeah, he has all the things that you need for a great leader. He has he's a he's a good family, he has a he's a family that wants to do education, and he has trauma. And I was like, do you understand where this is going. It's very weird. Yeah, yeah, And Kishi, you know it's like she she's a genius, like he's he has top of he's at the top of his class in middle school, he graduates top of his class, again in high school, and in nineteen he's accepted into the incredibly prestigius Tokyo Impure University. Now what she sees in college, she starts to formally intellectually encounter the new Japanese far right, and he becomes particularly enamored with like the er Japanese fascist Iki Kita, who he is a weird guy that he has a lot of sort of eclectic ideas, but like his big things that he wants the emperor to see his power in a coup, like dissolve the parliament to create a fascist state m hm. And you know, she she she she's kind of soft on the like coup part, and Keita has some ideas about like well, okay, so you're gonna cup the government, right, and then you have a fascist state and the fascist state's gonna like kind of resource redistribution, and she's like, he's he's kind of soft in that part, but like, you know, the fascist state part, he's he's incredibly in favor of. And you know, I mean, at this point in time, there's no evidence that it could possibly be a bad thing. Yeah, yeah, this is you know, this is yeah, this is this is, this is, this is pretty busily promising new political theory. Yeah yeah, now yeah, so so when when when he graduates from university in n there's a couple of weird things about it. So like okay, so not he's on the top of his class, right, but like not only is the top of his class, he he has the highest test scores that anyone has ever seen, like in the history of university. He has the best test scores. And then he also like he takes a sivil the Civil service exam, but like he takes it as like you know, you're supposed to spend like four or three or four years in college. He just takes us a second year and passes. And so you know, he has this whole arc where he's basically like you know, he but for most of his career he's seen this just it just like prodigy and it's like sort of true. We'll get into you know, it's not being true when the war machine starts to come apart. But yeah, you know, in in this period, he he makes what looks at the time like a really weird decision. Um, you know he she's yeah, he's a projecty, like he could easily have entered like the home office us like that're the Home ministry, and you know, he would have had this very easy career, like very safely could have become a vice moandistic or like a governor. And instead he joins the Ministry of Commerce, which at this point is like a fairly minor like government government industry. And and and he does this because specifically, like he really really wants to be in charge of the Japan's industrialization process. And you know this is this is gonna be She's like big thing over his career is he's he's he's planning be aercrat. He he's you know he yeah, like what while while while when he gets to the Ministry Commerce, he starts, you know, he does he does all this research and send him all over the world to like look at every people's planning models, and like he gets obsessed with like nineteen late nineteen twenties German planning stuff, which you know looks kind of weird given what's about to happen in the German economy. But yeah, and he starts advocating this thing called industrial rationalization, which is you know, this is this is like economic state planning. But you know, his the way this is sort of different from like the Russian model, is that like he wants to still have corporations, but he wants the core rations is sort of be run by government beacrasts. I mean, they're still like capitalists, but like he wants to be run by government beeracrasts, and he wants them to be sort of run for the state interests. And you know, and this is the other thing about this part, Like anytime someone says state interest and they're like a beeracrat nine thirties Japan, what they mean is like building a war machine. And so you know, you get these like weird, these weird passages where it's like you read it, this person sounds like a socialist, and then you read like two more paragraphs and it's like, oh, right, they want a bunch of stay controls they can build like the largest army the world has ever seen in over state is a gun to these Yeah, it's it's not entirely different with like a lot of the ways the Nazis would talk about this state, like the state in the state is a race too, Like it's it's yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, and he she the way she thinks about this is that you know, he's gonna chart like a third path, which we liberal happens is capitalism and communism. And this position it becomes held by a group called they're servi innoculously called the reform Bureaucrats. And the thing that's important to understand about the reformed Bureaucrats that lots of people like don't get when they study this is that the reformed aureaucrats, like all of them, including Kishi, are fascists. But the thing that's different about them, and the thing that's you know, makes it sort of obscurest fascism, is that, unlike most fascists, the way they're trying to do fascism is it just works in the bureaucracy. And so you know that basically like they have the that the strategy that they're gonna work for breacracy can work for the inside out. And you know, she she's aided in this by the fact that his boss, um yesh Shinji, is the head of the Ministry of Commerce and Industry and he basically just like gives Kishi free rein to do whatever he wants. And so Kishi goes, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna start doing war planning, and you know, he wants to take over, like stay control of major industries so they can do kind of planning for form military stuff. And this gains him a lot of connection to support in the fascist sections of the army. Now, Keish allies with what's what's called the Control Faction of the Army, which is founded by someone you I'll probably name at least recognize Hideki Tojoe, which yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, failed to shoot himself in the heart yep, great stuff. Yeah yeah. You know what's sort of weird about the Control Faction is that like they're founded kind of ironically like to stop another faction of the army like from doing fascism. And you know this this confuses a lot of people because it is confusing. Yeah yeah, yeah. Do you know, do you know what else is confusing Robert Um The fact that no one has developed a system that's been capable of dethroning global capital. That is confusing. Yeah, it is. It is confusing a lot of people say they've got the answer, but he's done it. It's true, but it's true. Yeah, I was, I was what I was just gonna say, confusing that people don't buy our products and services. It is that we show on here because maybe the answer to dethroning capitalism is to participate paid in it. Don't think about that too much, think about these ads. Alright, we're back, all right, Chris, let's uh, let's let's continue forward. Yeah. So so, yeah, we're going to talk about the absolute mess that is Japanese fascism. So we talked about the Control of faction. The Control faction is formed to stop the the Imperial Way faction of the army from doing terrorism. And these guys, these guys hate each other, like the the Imperial Way spends like a good part of the early thirties just like murdering this ship out of control faction officers and both of them are just like purging each other from the army. And this, this whole thing is part of what a britishown. This is called the period of government by assassination. And this period starts when a group of fascists, this is one of the there's a million fascist groups in Japan, this is one of the smaller ones, like assassinated the prime minister in one and after that everyone just goes, oh, hold up, we can just kill ministers and so you know, they killed this just enormous number of government officials, They killed a bunch of politicians, they killed businessmen, like they killed two more finance ministers, and like they do like they do. So there are so many coup attempts that like you could literally just do an entire podcast series that is just the coup attempts they attempt in these like five years, because it's like every every different faction and every like possible coalition of these factions has their own coup attempts. And you know, finally, this this period sort of ends when the Imperial Way and their allies trying to do like one last giant coup in six called February twenty incidents, and they get kind of close, like they take a bunch of government ministries, like they almost killed the prime minister, they almost killed the Defense minister. I think, I think they do kill the Defense minister, but they lose. And after that, Japan, the Japanese government is just like, Okay, we're just gonna kill you all, and so they do this like mass execution of of like every fascist leader they can get their hands on, in being uh Ichikdo, who is not involved in this in any way. But just like on principle, they were like, okay, the one thing all the fascist to be arounds that they like you, so we're just gonna assassinate you, and so well they don't say something that they put them on trial and a show trial and convictim and killed them all, and a lot of people, including you know, people who are like pretty reliable fascism scholars like Robert Paxton, We'll look at this trial and go, oh, well, okay, this this is this is like this is as if like I don't know, like Moosi leads martial, Weba failed and like this is the end of fashions in Japan. And I think they're wrong. And the reason I think they're wrong is that if they're looking for the fascist revolution in Japan itself, and the fascist revolution doesn't happen in Japan, it happens in Manchuria. Now we we we have talked about Manchuria before on this show UM D D Chong episodes. Um it's you know, it's it's it's it's like the northeast China equivalent New England that like you know, Portos, Russia borders Korea. It's really close to Japan also boris Mongolia. Um know that there's there's a lot of industry there, and you know it's it's it's the base of Jong's boss, who's also named Jong Junctu Ling, and you know he he's the warlord that Japan had been backing, dream dreamed in the whole world periods of a civil war era. But both Jongs lose the war against Chinese nationalists. And you know, like when when when we last left Mancharia, like a bunch of piste off Japanese officers had just like bomb Junctu Ling's train, and you know, after that, Manchuria sort of falls into the hand of the nationalists. It becomes technically part of the Chinese Republic. And this is where okay, things have always been weird to man sure, this is where they get even weirder. UM anarchist revolution breaks out in Shiman Prefecture that calls itself the Korean People Association to Mancharia. Now Shimman's like right on the border with between Mancharia and Korea. And this anarchist revolution is driven in large part by this enormous Korema million like two million people like Koreans have fled to the Japanese occupation in uh you know, the Jackie is Japanese occupation of Korea and into Mancharia, and you know, and you know, and it's it's it's a weird project because you have a bunch of you have a bunch of anarchists, and you also have a bunch of Korean nationals working with each other because the thing both of them agree on is that they hate the Japanese. And you know that the anarchists sort of take the lead. They formed a bunch of these councils. They start organizing the economy, aroun mutual aid, and you know, they start to set up the education system. They do all this stuff, and then everyone immediately start trying to kill them, and so as as is like anarchist tradition, the Soviets start immediately assassinating people. Um if these guys have another disadvantage, which is that the Japanese army also starts assassinating them, and eventually this this whole sort of anarchist like prefecture, sort of mini territory collapses nine thirty one. When you know that the incident that I would consider the actual sort of fascist coup in Japan starts, which is it is the Muckton incident that triggers this full scale Japanese invasion of all of Mancharia. Now, the Muckton incidents extremely weird. Basically, what happened is that a group of officers in the Quantung Army, which is the japan has this army in Manchuria that's there to like protect their railroads basically because Japan like tendically owns all the land, the railroads a wrong, they have some other concessions, and so they have this army that's just like in Manchuria that they can legally have, and the offer some of the officers at that army basically look at the situation, they look at what's happening the rest of trying to look at the anarchist revolution, and they're like, okay, we need to take over Manchuria like entirely. But you know, they have no they don't have like a natural pretext. So they stage a false flag, false flag attack on their own railroad and use the attack as like a free tense that started a full scale invasion in Manchuria. And yeah, it's it's bad, it's and the other other phone part about this story that We're talking more about Yakuza later, but like those guys, so they go to like the Japanese government. In Japanese governments like, you cannot do this, and so they go to some right wing industrialists trying to get funding, and they won't do it. And the people who will fund them are the Yakuza, and so that they have like like thirty million yen just just like from the Yakuza that the Yakas are like here, yeah, used to take over from Manchuria. And so they do. And you know, and the civilian government in Japan doesn't want this, but they basically have no choice because the invasion is like incredibly popular among the Japanese like public, and you know, one of the reasons it's popular is that it you know, there's very I mean, there is some fighting, but Shinkai check in the Nationalists are you know, they're deep in their civil war with Mao and the communists in China, and they're just like, okay, Japan, you can just have this, and so they let they let them have this without without a fight. And the consequence is that the Quantuan army, which is you know, it's chocked full of imperial way followers. The whole there's like the whole army is just a bunch of different people in different fascist groups. These guys wind up ending up in charge of setting up a new state in Materia called by Chuqua. And the product of this is you get and it's just an extremely weird state with like sixteen different versions of fascism, and you know, this is supposed to be like an independent state, and it like kind of is a little bit like they install Pouyee, who's like the last emperor of China as like the Emperor of Machuqua, like this new state, and you know, they have all this propaganda about like the state's gonna have are gonna restore the kingly way, and it's going to be like a direct relationship between the emperor and the will of the people, and there's gonna be these like autonomous agrarian villages ruled by landlords and everyone's gonna like live in harmony. And did that? Did that happen? So so the strongest group in in in in this like sort of nude fascist utopia. It is called the Concorde Association, and they're this like they're this like fascist pan Asian group that you know, they have this whole line about like okay, we're doing ethnic harmony and like all the races are gonna work together, We're gonna work together to like expel the like the wide imperialists. And the reason they take this line is that like the actual Chinese people there don't want Thementaria, they don't want the Manchucal government there because they're like, okay, all of the officers in this thing and all of the government officials or Japanese like this is this is just a Japanese occupation, but you know, you have this sort of this this fascist like mass organization, and their goal is to build popular support for this because you know, the Japanese can't really just purely hold this a military force at this point. So they have this public government and you know, for about two years they really they rule like relatively unopposed. But in age thirty three, the Communist Party sort of at the at the behest of the U S s R. The USR is like, okay, you guys need to do this, and so the CCP goes okay, and what they do is that they start like the series of insurrections launched at like driving the Japanese out, and the Japanese responded by slaughter the entire villages very kingly way, very very very harmony between the races that there's you know, there's individual villages where they walk in they killed they killed two thousand, five hundred people in like a single massacre and you know, betweteen forty they kill sixty people trying to suppress the communists, and they move at five point five million people most mostly real people into these like the ten thousands of these hamlets, which I think if if if anyone studied the Vietnam War and you were prestigia handlets from that, like this is that like these handlets have they have three they have three meter high walls, they have barred wire, they have forced labor, and so you know, this is this is this is the state of like this, this is the state of like the Kingly Way in in in sort of fascist menshuko. Yeah, and it's you know, I mean one of the things that I think is and that you were getting get earlier when people talk about kind of the rise of the the o G fascists, um, it tends to be very eurocentric, but there's very much an open exchange of ideas that the Japanese are a part of that's that's going, but that includes concentration camps and it's not just and to that point, the Japanese are probably they're they're not really I would doubt their inspiration is the German concentration camps or anything that a fascist well that a recognize like what we can traditionally consider a fascist power zone. They were probably looking back at the Spanish and the British, my guess, yeah, yeah, and the United States possibly is the Spanish. The concentration camp concept kind of originated from Spanish general who deployed it in Cuba, but he got the idea from embedding with the U. S. Military after the Civil War. Anyway, Yeah, well, and you know, and you can you can treat it sort of more directly too, because like all of that stuff, you know, it boom boomerangs back to the Philippines and the American occupation there, and like you know, then that that's one of the things, this is one of the reasons that that stuff, like all the stuff he uses in the Philippines, that that is like in large part, like that's a big part of the reason why this sort of Japanese very fission to fascism is is popular to some extent in East Asia because you know, okay, but before they like really openly start to massacre everyone. You know, it's just popular because I mean, japan Seed is like the only power, you know, the only not my power in the East that can that can resist just the app I mean just the just incredible genocides that just like absolute horror that that that that is happening just across the rest of East Asia. Awesome, It's it's great. And yes, so Keishi starts becoming interested in Menshuk around nineteen thirty four, and partly he's interested in it because of the fascism, but his big interest in Machuqua is the natural resources in the sort of industrial base it has, and through through his sort of position in the in the government bureaucracy, she's able to start working on on the first Manchuqua five year Plan. Now, now it sort of weirdly, you know, the fascist officers who are who are in the Japanese army there, uh, they want this whole thing to be like an independent like state that's like free from the like corruption of liberalism and capitalism and stuff. From whatever that that like, you know, it makes makes Japan like in Pierre and like the loose relation to the empire. And she she looks at this and goes like, okay, wait, but we we want we want we want this state to help run our war machine. And you know, and he this five year plan is is this giant like war mobilization thing to create this sort of they called the National Defense State. But basically like it's turning the entire society and the entire state, the entire economy into a war economy. And his plan to do this is She's going to bring in Nissan and have Nissan run like every war industry in Manchuqua. Well, Nissan almost makes an acceptable truck, so you know almost, you know, it verges on being as good as a ram Uh. Look, Nissan cars are are are all right, but don't don't use them for agricultural work. Get it to coma. Now, if you're telling me they wanted to put Toyota in charge of everything, we say, that seems like a flawless plan. I'll bet Toyota has never been involved in any kinds of crimes against humanity. You know, there's there's that, there's there's like a fun there's a fun thing here where So so the there's these things in Japan called does I about Sue and it's about and you know, there's these like giant mega lambres like that the people who own like Toyota are one of the conglomerates. Nissan is another one of them. And like the army and most of the fashions like hate these guys because they see these like giant capitalist things. Is like this is like a Western thing. It's like unpeered. They let these corrupt bureaucrats and again in the way of us and the emperor, and so like she she has to like do this incredibly elaborate dance to convince all of the the fascist officers in in in Manchukuo that like, no, no, no, Nissan is not like Toyota, that they're they're not like the other conglomerates. Y're not like Mishibi through a new conglomerate, and they're they're gonna they're gonna do fascism for us. And this works eventually, um and she gets transferred fully to Maduria and all of this stuff gets approved basically because she's moving in there and proposing this this five year plan, which is the normal is expensive, by the way, But but the reason, the reason that she's able to do this is rights is getting in there. The Second Sino Japanese War starts, which is part of World War two kind of kind of its own thing. I don't know, there's a lot of running arguments. They had a war that was in its brutality and death toll comparable to World War Two. With the same time World War Two was going on. Um, you know, I occasionally Americans noticed it. There's some good Woody Guthree songs that thank the mighty Chinese vets. But um, yeah, you know what I mean, like that, there's this whole thing like I mean like like in China, like a lot like it's like that whole war is called the Anti Japanese War or the war resistance, because yeah, you know, because like like that, like you know, for most of the time this is happening, they from for about three or four years, China is just fighting the entire Japanese army by itself, and you know this is yeah, well we'll we'll we'll get into the stuff that that that the Chinese government is always going to sort of suffer in this. But you know, but the consequence of this for Chi she is that like he gets just total economic power and sort of political power menure. He can just you can do literally whatever he wants. And the thing that he wants to do so okay. So so his big thing is his big major thing is he wants to implement the five year plan to you know, turn this Joe warconto me. The second thing he wants to do is just get absolutely wasted literally every single night, like he she okay, well that scans Look if you're gonna be war crim sober yeah no he yeah, And like you know, like all of the sort of Japanese officers and Japanese bearcats like go clubbing, but like even the other like the other versa. I know, every now and then I go out club and get a little drunk with my friends, commit a couple of war crimes. This is padlock an apartment gate closed with anyway, all right, what this continue? God? Well, the thing with Kishi is like, okay, so everyone's doing this a bit at the time. She she is literally going to clubs and getting wasted every single night. Like even the yakuza people are like, what are you doing like it's like I have to take a second here to tell the story about the absolute shattist Japanese officer I've ever heard of. So when I was in I've been Okinawa a couple of times because my parents lived there for years and years and years, both when they were kids and then later as adults. And like, I'm not trying to like whitewash the problems with American bases. There's a big, very active and I think very righteous movement try to remove the basis on Okinawa. But we're gonna talk about the origin of that too. Yeah, I had I I had no no say in any of that. My parents just lived there. Um. But so I went on this tour of like sites from World War two on on Okinawa, and one of the stories they told us was about this Japanese officer who when the Americans invaded Okinawa, he was at a brothel just like, had been drunk and fucking for days, and they Americans advanced quickly enough that by the time he sobered up, he found himself several miles behind the American lines and alone, hung over and having just fucked himself, silly snuck past the American lines. Made it back to his unit and then proceeded to lead them in battle for weeks. Is incredible chat energy. You know. I say this so like like this is just that's just the default condition of the Japanese officer cord in this whole war like that, that's like they like this is this is what they're doing all of the time. If it weren't for the millions of dead, it would be a real rock situation. Yeah, Like you know, like we're not saying these dudes rock. No, these dudes in fact do not rock. Do not rock. And I'm going to emphasize this by like how cringe Kishi actually is, Like okay, so there there's a quote of Kishi where he he said he describes himself as and this is a direct quote quote Playboy of the Eastern World, Like she just calls himself this, okay, Yeah, you know. He also spends just like an enormous amount of time in in the brothels. Do we have a picture of this man? I feel like I need a visual of somebody who would dare to give themselves that title. Unfortunately, most of the pictures of him are from like when he's old Dick Pills look if you're gonna be, if you're gonna if you're gonna be fucking like a Japanese imperial officer, you're gonna need dick pills. Look, there's no shame in it. Like the best athletes like Lance arms Strong fuck Like yes, the saying is Keishi probably needed dick pills. I'm sure he did. If you're going to be the Lance arms Strong of lecherous Japanese military officers, you're gonna use some. You're gonna dope, and that's fine, and that's why we sell dope. Dick dope. Here's some ads. Okay, this man is this man is not like Okay, Okay, That's all I'll say is he's not it. Okay, But Sophie, I think if if there's one reason why men join imperial militaries and travel to foreign lands to do violence, it's because it's yeah, he's here for them to get laid that because they're not they're not. You know, people who were like really pulling it in back home generally don't invade foreign countries. I mean, fair enough, the Nazis still not a lot of guys who were like knocking it out of the park with the with the with the exception of oh ship what was his name? The guy Hitler had killed in the Night of Long Nights. Ernst Rome was pulling it down, and it's baffling that he became a Nazi in the ship. But anyway, whatever, I mean, this man does have like a decent like no, he doesn't take it. I've got I've gotten, Sophie, this discussion on our side podcasts. How fuckable was this war criminal? Yeah, I mean coming out on the I Heart radio network and July of you just went back in time. But that's so I know, Sophie, Chris. Would you like to continue this podcast? We've del guest. Sophie's derailed you enough. I will fight you continue. Yeah, well, I'd like to see you try. Robert is actually like Robert is kind of onto something on the like the reason you go to do imperialism is so you can just like have sex constantly. Yeah, absolutely, well you know and did yeah yeah, And this is what the Japanese is doing it. And this is where we should mention that Kishi is an inveterate rapist, like like sereal mass rapist. Um. Yes, so so those those brothels I was talking about, so well, yeah, so there's there's like there's like a small number of people in there who, like our sex workers, like eighty to ninety percent of those people were just like kidnapped from Japan and like brought there by force. And yeah, and so you know, and this is you know, and she's going there like every like one or two days. Right, he's at one of these brothels. And you know, Okay, even if like somehow, like by like some miracle, he somehow only had conseexual sex there, he's also just like he he's like he has one of the weirdest like sex things I've ever heard of, which is that like every time like he was served a meal, he would demand to have sex with the raitress. Um. Yeah, it's yeah, you know and like those those people, like those women like absolutely did not consent to that, which means he is like this man. Yeah, he is like raping people like basically every day. So far as to say that in most situations, you can't properly consent to a man occupying your country with armed force, now, I will say I will say so so because because he is a racist, like inveterate racist, he will only sleep a Japanese women. But those people were also brought there by force by by the opposite and she so. So while he's imprisoned in Ete forty eight, he has there he has an interview and his description of this time is quote, I came so much it was hard to clean it all up. Like he has like he has he has a he has a guy, Like he has a specific guy. He's like a specific maid who's job it is to clean up his sheets every night. Like yeah, he's God and you know he's got to come servant. That's yeah, this is like a thing. This is like a lot of the like the weird Japanese sex fascists. Like there's like a person who has to clean up all their ships. Like there's there's I'm blanking on Blanco name. Like there's that famous, uh, like fascist Japanese poet who's like like the Japanese Nobel laureate who's a fascist and like kills himself in the sixtet or something when when his coup fails, like that guy. Also, yeah, like there's there's a person who had to clean out his sheets and like his robes and ship. Also check out my upcoming punk band out weird Japanese sex fascist. Yeah. There, there's gonna be more. Don't worry where we we have not yet reached the weirdest of the Japanese sex fascist that's coming next episode. Yeah, quotes in this episode already. Yeah, you know, but I mean, like so like the fact that he's raping women like every day. I think like this helps explain what otherwise I think is kind of almost unexplainable thing that we're going to talk about in a bit, just like the amount of violence that we're about to see. But you know, so the other thing that's happening here, she's going to brothels like it's not It starts out as just like keis, she's like a statistic rapist, but he also is doing official business there, and and his official business is that he's networking with local yakus at bosses. And this is where we get to sort of like formally introduce the third piece of the sort of fascist triad in Japan. So you know, you have you have fascist army officers. Do you have people like Kishi who are bureacrat technically civilian bureaucrats, but you know, are also fascist and working through the sort of planning agencies there, and the third wheel is organized crime. Now the yakuza there there. You know a lot of organized crime winds up sort of backing fascists. But the yakuza are different from you know, say like the Italian mafia in that they're like fanatically right wing and they have been basically in the eighteen seventies, and they're like these are like the Yakas are a lot of people who invented fascism in Japan. Like they're they're like they're like the first proto proto fascist groups. Are are these like giant Yakasa organizations and they're I mean they're really tied in with the state that there's this story about how like so one of the one of the first giant yakas a fascist groups is called the Dark Ocean Society. And these guys, you know that their triads like they did they're doing drug stuff. But like the Japanese Ministry of the Interior asks them to like this this isn't like ninety ten. They asked them to help like Japan's stage and incident that will let them invade Korea. And so like these guys like they have like they have like special forces training myself. Oh no, oh yeah, I mean you know, that's what's what you do when you're young. Everyone's got to do a little bit of invading Korea. It's yeah, yeah, well, as long as you don't take it too far, it's fine. Oh boy, yeah, we're well, yeah, we're we're gonna get your taking it too far. But you know, like the thing is, like these guys like they like break into the Imperial Palace and assassinate the Empress of Korea. Like yeah yeah, Like the like the Akasa, like they have they have military training, they have intelligence training, they're they're incredibly efficient political source, like like sort of private political operation. And when Kishi meets with them, they basically just agree to solve all of Kishi's funding problems. And you know, they can do this because the japan like the Akasa has an enormous amount of the accusan and Mentua is like an enormous amount of money. And the reason I have this money is because they run the drug trade. Like basically it's a good way to make money. Yeah yeah, yeah, And you know, and Kishi she basically like offers to like formally let him into the Japanese state and you know, and the everything is offering them was like, hey, you guys want to do fascism, Like if you fund me, I will do so much fascism. And the accus is like hell yeah. And you know, and this is this is the thing I don't think people understand, but about the Japanese Empire, like it's a cartel, Like the whole thing is a cartels. It's like a cartel with like an army and a bureaucracy strap to it. And and this is especially true true and menchu Quo, where you know, with with Yakuza backing, like this project is like almost self financing, like the you know, but by by by by the mid nineteen thirties, like fully twenty percent of the Japanese population is addicted to either opium, heroin or one of the other drugs that the Yakas aren't running. And this means that, you know, when when the Accusa really start to formally ally with with the sort of state government, and you know, the state government people are also doing drug running, but you know, there's just like full scale emergence and by that point, fifty of all state revenue in manchu Quo is just from the drug trade, and you know, like the Quantum Army, like they literally like they start they launched invasions of parts of China so they could take over opium and heroin factories, and they just they just like start making heroin and opium like for the Accusa. Because this whole thing is just a cartel. Yeah, I mean everything is when you get right down to it. Yeah, in the British are like, this is a podcast cartel, and like any other cartels, we're actively engaged in battling the Mexican military in the foothills of of of northern Mexico. You know. Look, I keep like I keep saying, Japan is China's Mexico mm and and as a result, we are also fighting the Japanese military in order to aid in the spread of podcasts across the aisles. Um. They actually have taken no efforts to stop us. So it's been very hard to start those fights. But we're working on it. We're working on it. Look, you can you can always get into a gun battle with the facts, if if if you believe, if you believe, Sometimes you have to force yourself into being an armed cartel. Sometimes the state says what you're doing isn't illegal, and there's no need for us to have have an armed conflict. But you know, that's what separates uh, you know, the cartels from the people not committing organized criminal activity. So the sort of final stage of this is that so Kishi's successor in has this idea and you know, and you could just like persistently has labor shortages, and his plan is, oh, wait, hold on, we can use that. We can use the opium problem to solve solve our labor problem. And so they start. She sets up this like the series of these uh what are supposed to be drug rehabilitation centers, and you know, about two million like drug addicts show up to work because you know, they show up to drug rebilization centers because people like don't want to medict it. And what the centers actually are is you walk into the center and you walk on the back of the center, and then you're into force labor camp. Yeah yeah, they got them, they got It's great, it's great. And then and then yeah, they tricked them. And then so there's like two hundred thousands of people who like are brought by their families and like they show up like they they're not physically fit to work, So the Japanese government injects them with what they call an opium detox supplement, and the opium detox supplement is actually in fetamine. Means it's great and it's funny. We just recorded the episodes that they're running the week we we record this about like the Nazis and drugs. But yeah, when meth first came out in Nazi Germany, was obviously invented in Japan. But when meth first got popular in Nazi Germany, it was advertised as a treatment for opiate addiction. Um, which I guess, yeah, if you get horribly addicted to meth, you you you won't do as much opium. Yeah, well, you know what, what what the Japanese government want out of this is that like, okay, so these people can't physically move, and we need a drug that can allow them to like move so they can be our slaves. And yeah, so that that that's that's a solution to that. And yeah, so you know, not wanting to be outdone in the sort of forced labor department. In August seven, she she signs this bill that lets him just enslaved prisoners of war. So sorry, sorted. It starts with POWs and is expanded, and you know, by the time you get to the expansion, it's like anyone doesn't have a job, where like anyone they define as a bandit, which is like a bandit is just anyone who doesn't like the government. And so you know, Butty eight, it's okay, we can enslave just anyone we see on the street, and the people who aren't technically enslaved. She pushes this thing that he calls unifying wages, which means forcing like everyone in you know, every everyone in Mentriqua, including like just the other random capitalists are still there to to lower all of their wages down to to to like follow his planning model. And when when I say lowering wages, what I mean is that he figured. You know, Kishi's thing is that he's a beercrat. Right's about efficiencies, on about rationality, And the thing that he's rationally and efficiently decided is that you should pay Japanese Chinese workers exactly enough they don't starve. I guess it's better than paying them enough so little that they do starve. Well, that that starts to happen too, and then you know, yeah, yeah, and then the wage the wages keep going down because they need to bring labor costs down that you know, because that's the other way they're funding all of this is by just not paying people. Now, you know, and labor in Mentriqua had already how already basically been a bunch of the acaste people, like like a bunch of oks of people are in the factory and if you take a step out of line, they beat you. Now she she's like, okay, we're going to rationalize this, and she's rationalization means that you know, instead of it being independently the the aucus of hoting these people to work for like nothing, Uh, he's going to bring you know, he's gonna bring them into the state and so you know, he's gonna replace the paramilitaries with militaries. The accuser and the MP's are going to get replaced with you know, bureacrats, regular police. And the final thing this means is conscripting or enslaving like Chinese male farm workers to work in work camps and then forcing their families and children to work in the fields in their place. It's yeah, and this this is where the race science starts, because you know, Japan, Japan has its own race science that they kind of developed by themselves, and they kind of import from Europe and you know this this is part of their like tailorism, like labor discipline rationalization process is they start doing these quote unquote scientific tests for for body shape, for cranial size, for nose structure, and they turn these measurements into these like basically racial baseball cards with like numerically ranked Yeah, yeah, raceball cards. Yeah that they you know, they'll they'll be like different points for like how much like like what what the shape of your skull is, like how big your noses? And these gives you more or less points, and you like you hold up, you hold up the raceball card, and you know you nextra a migrant worker and you're like, okay, so which how how highly does this person score? And I'm going to read a quote from the book Absolute Erotic, Absolute Grotesque, which is a history of this period of a title. Yeah, it's great, it's it's it's it's an incredibly wild book. It's like it's like half about fascism and half about the way that it's sort of the way that it's driven by what what this this like thirties Marxist like Japanese sociologist calls the declining rate of pleasure, which is about how like and you know, and I think this is this is actually fist is what happens in Japanese Empire is that you know, this is already a really violent place, and you know, in order to sort of extract more pleasure out of like sex, right, they start getting they start going to stuff as more and more violence. And this isn't just like a sort of like porn thing or like the points more stream like no, no, like there. They constantly have to seek out like more like increasingly more violent ways of like raping people. And this is like, you know, this is one of the sort of psychoses that like drives this whole, like ex matsion project and the other one, the other psychosis is racism. So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna read this quote. Um. Actually, the the s r M, which is the State Reeler Company Studies classified coolies into three types, the Shandong type, Tohobei type, and the Manchurian type, consistently making up over se of all the North Chinese immigrant immigrant laborers. Shuang Dung coolies were profiled as a quote thick gold type representing a low level of culture and capacity quantities confirmed by their strong backs and powerful grip. Their biometrics of large jaw cranials, circumference of fifty five centimeters facial length at one point three five to one point four times the line of the lower jaw, prominent cheekbones, stupidity, big teeth, a bridge of the nose that indicated docility, submissiveness, and barbarity added up to quote a type perfectly suited for physical labor. Who Abe coolies were a little smarter than those from Shendong, Thanks so they're anthropologically superior cranial shape. Owing to this racial profile, who coolies were seen as the best for semi skilled labor of carpentry, plastering, and bricklaying. Wow, I want one of those. I want I want that meme of the two hands meeting in the middle. That's like Western racists Japanese racists and in the middle exactly the same ship. Yep, Like it's you know, what if? What if? The things that I was realizing, like as I was reading this is the extent to which Japan is basically just like like Japan is just like like it's like it's it's East Britain. Like they have cousin marrying, they have all this weird pedophile stuff. They have this giant empire, they have like all the skull measurement cranial stuff. They're both from this island. They both have this just like incredibly weird like sort of sort of psychoses embedded in there, in there like like in international culture that like it's it's a bummer that like one of the chunks of Asia that most successfully resisted being colonized and being oppressed by European powers did it that way by basically yeah, by kind of like the British Empire but slightly different. Yeah, and like you can like like I think, yeah, like Ethiopia, which like for a long time sort of like successfully like repelled repelled etons, repelled or colonial forces, and they like don't do this. Yeah, it's a likely way to do things. Yeah, yeah, they're like, you know, there were other ways. It's just the Japanese were like imperialism, what if we did it? And you know, and you know, I think part of this is that like you know, in order to be able to do forced labor, right, Like it is actually kind of hard to get human beings to like make other like compel other human beings by forced to do things. And you know, and this sort of necessitates developing this like this sort of like European style race science or just like keep the forced labor system alive. And you know, this is this racism and the mode of race theory. It's not confined to sort of just like lower rank over people like Keishi Keshi is an inveterate racist, Like he goes on everyone who worked around him at the time. We'll talk about he would just like stop in the middle of like I'm beating and go on this rant about how all Chinese people are like lawless bandits and capable of following rules and all of this. Yeah, you know, and you know, and his solution to that is like, well, okay, so Chinese people like inherently can't follow laws because of racial stuff. So the only way you can get them to do things is by like treating them like a dog and just beating them, which is you know, not hire street dogs. But you know, and and this this just like pervasive racism is a big part of how you get everything that happens next. So the Japanese like atrocities and chuqua are are so bad that we don't have time to talk about Unite one, which is Japan's like well that's yeah, it's own episode. The whole thing. That's Japan's kind of Doctor Mangela mixed with Auschwitz. Yeah. Yeah, they test you. I mean they do a bunch of likes, but whatever you get. Yeah, yeah, it's like basically they're doing biological weapons testing on like live Chinese and Russian prisoners, like A grade crimes against humanity and the Scottie Tiff of crimes against humanity. You know, if it's I don't know basketball, I assume he was right, Sophie. He was the best point guard of all of the touchdown footballer. You're doing great birdies serving bicycle. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, it's really got bro parts of that were me joking. Hearts all right, please Chris continue. So, so Unit seven one is operating under Kichi sturistiction, like you know, it's operating in in metrical while he's there under sturisdiction, and we don't have time to talk about that. That needs its own episode. What we are going to talk about next time is Japan's forced labor system. Oh yeah, now that sounds you mean by forced labor, I assume you mean like Jedi, right, Like it's it's we're gonna talk about Star Wars now we're gonna pivot. I mean, I think I think the Japanese would have benefited from just having the ability to mind control people. And you know, I guess like militaries would have. Yeah, yeah, and you know, I guess the Jedi do like kidnap children and like educate them into a religious cult, so you know, and they also they also employed an enormous child slave soldier army. 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