Robert sits down with Mara Wilson to discuss the man behind those camps that kidnap teenagers and torture them in the desert.

(2 Part Series)

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Robert sits down with Mara Wilson to discuss the man behind those camps that kidnap teenagers and torture them in the desert.
(2 Part Series)
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.

Everything you don't know about History's greatest monsters

Behind the Bastards

Part One: The Inventor of Those 'Troubled Teen' Wilderness Camps Where They Kill Kids

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