Robert sits down with David Bell to discuss how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all)
(2 Part Series)
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Part Two: Behind the Bastards Q&A: 2026 Edition
33:30

Part One: Behind the Bastards Q&A: 2026 Edition
28:19

CZM Rewind: Part Two: How Cigarettes Invented Everything
1:04:40