Part One: Earlier this year a Border Patrol officer was killed in a shoot-out with people who have been described as members of a trans vegan AI death cult. But who are the Zizians, really? Robert sits down with David Gborie to trace their development, from part of the Bay Area Rationalist subculture to killers.

 

Part Two: Robert tells David Gborie about the early life of Ziz LaSota, a bright young girl from Alaska who came to the Bay Area with dreams of saving the cosmos or destroying it, all based on her obsession with Rationalist blogs and fanfic.

Sources: 
https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130318/https://sinceriously.fyi/rationalist-fleet/
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/infohazard
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130316/https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/
Wayback Machine
The Zizians
Spectral Sight
True Hero Contract
Schelling Orders – Sinceriously
Glossary – Sinceriously
 https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130330/https://sinceriously.fyi/my-journey-to-the-dark-side/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130302/https://sinceriously.fyi/glossary/#zentraidon
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130259/https://sinceriously.fyi/vampires-and-more-undeath/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130316/https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130318/https://sinceriously.fyi/rationalist-fleet/
https://x.com/orellanin?s=21&t=F-n6cTZFsKgvr1yQ7oHXRg
https://zizians.info/
according to The Boston Globe
Inside the ‘Zizians’: How a cultish crew of radical vegans became linked to killings across the United States | The Independent
Silicon Valley ‘Rationalists’ Linked to 6 Deaths
The Delirious, Violent, Impossible True Story of the Zizians | WIRED
Good Group and Pasek’s Doom – Sinceriously
Glossary – Sinceriously
Mana – Sinceriously
Effective Altruism’s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg
The Zizian Facts - Google Docs
Several free CFAR summer programs on rationality and AI safety - LessWrong 2.0 viewer
This guy thinks killing video game characters is immoral | Vox
Inadequate Equilibria: Where and How Civilizations Get Stuck
Eliezer Yudkowsky comments on On Terminal Goals and Virtue Ethics - LessWrong 2.0 viewer                                                                                                   
Effective Altruism’s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg
SquirrelInHell: Happiness Is a Chore
PLUM OF DISCORD — I Became a Full-time Internet Pest and May Not...
Roko Harassment of PlumOfDiscord Composited – Sinceriously
Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare – Sinceriously
Infohazardous Glossary – Sinceriously
SquirrelInHell-Decision-Theory-and-Suicide.pdf - Google Drive
The Matrix is a System – Sinceriously
A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and… | by SefaShapiro | Medium
Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare – Sinceriously
A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and… | by SefaShapiro | Medium
PLUM OF DISCORD (Posts tagged cw-abuse)
Timeline: Violence surrounding the Zizians leading to Border Patrol agent shooting

Part One: Earlier this year a Border Patrol officer was killed in a shoot-out with people who have been described as members of a trans vegan AI death cult. But who are the Zizians, really? Robert sits down with David Gborie to trace their development, from part of the Bay Area Rationalist subculture to killers.
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Part Two: Robert tells David Gborie about the early life of Ziz LaSota, a bright young girl from Alaska who came to the Bay Area with dreams of saving the cosmos or destroying it, all based on her obsession with Rationalist blogs and fanfic.
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<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130331/https:/sinceriously.fyi/mana/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://web.archive.org/web/20230201130331/https:/sinceriously.fyi/mana/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2fNILZbXcatgFr9IfTFfPF">Mana &ndash; Sinceriously</a></li>
<li><a href="https://archive.is/xhV0S" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://archive.is/xhV0S&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw08NyLo3WrLCXnnMA5i5ekL">Effective Altruism&rsquo;s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg</a></li>
<li><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RpAvd5TO5eMhJrdr2kz43dxT3nNm0XtuPcaW9kBIZL8/edit?tab=t.0" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RpAvd5TO5eMhJrdr2kz43dxT3nNm0XtuPcaW9kBIZL8/edit?tab%3Dt.0&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1DnUxf81Z_EiB_l9bX25c1">The Zizian Facts - Google Docs</a></li>
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<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230128221733/https:/equilibriabook.com/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://web.archive.org/web/20230128221733/https:/equilibriabook.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw231NkYk-97GmE3Bl4F_kFw">Inadequate Equilibria: Where and How Civilizations Get Stuck</a></li>
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<li><a href="https://archive.is/xhV0S" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://archive.is/xhV0S&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw08NyLo3WrLCXnnMA5i5ekL">Effective Altruism&rsquo;s Problems Go Beyond Sam Bankman-Fried - Bloomberg</a></li>
<li><a href="https://squirrelinhell.blogspot.com/2017/12/happiness-is-chore.html#more" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://squirrelinhell.blogspot.com/2017/12/happiness-is-chore.html%23more&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0Jv0XPQjB_j0Xiibf7rYLf">SquirrelInHell: Happiness Is a Chore</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220217023845/https:/www.plumofdiscord.com/post/675855867193769984/i-became-a-full-time-internet-pest-and-may-not" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://web.archive.org/web/20220217023845/https:/www.plumofdiscord.com/post/675855867193769984/i-became-a-full-time-internet-pest-and-may-not&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2GnpZqu77CBpVC8WcUkRm-">PLUM OF DISCORD &mdash; I Became a Full-time Internet Pest and May Not...</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20211009234142/https:/sinceriously.fyi/roko-harassment-of-plumofdiscord-composited/#comment-4671" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://web.archive.org/web/20211009234142/https:/sinceriously.fyi/roko-harassment-of-plumofdiscord-composited/%23comment-4671&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2Fe2VocdZ73C-z131NOqEZ">Roko Harassment of PlumOfDiscord Composited &ndash; Sinceriously</a></li>
<li><a href="https://archive.is/czxD3" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://archive.is/czxD3&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1Iai8DoRNxNyezowghTD9A">Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare &ndash; Sinceriously</a></li>
<li><a href="https://sinceriously.blog-mirror.com/infohazardous-glossary#debucketing" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://sinceriously.blog-mirror.com/infohazardous-glossary%23debucketing&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0DdBDKMxRb0Derkm_vrUxO">Infohazardous Glossary &ndash; Sinceriously</a></li>
<li><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MFJli_QLM75fF4yUGtllNJ-z76FeHZ7x/view" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MFJli_QLM75fF4yUGtllNJ-z76FeHZ7x/view&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483316000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0QVqj2REeNPq5SJneA0fJN">SquirrelInHell-Decision-Theory-and-Suicide.pdf - Google Drive</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230202013352/https:/sinceriously.fyi/the-matrix-is-a-system/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://web.archive.org/web/20230202013352/https:/sinceriously.fyi/the-matrix-is-a-system/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483317000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0W-Ce7akEreKVSRONA85v7">The Matrix is a System &ndash; Sinceriously</a></li>
<li><a href="https://archive.ph/h7j3v" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://archive.ph/h7j3v&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483317000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0nH7iXSdhnkHBG3KjHAQ0S">A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and&hellip; | by SefaShapiro | Medium</a></li>
<li><a href="https://archive.ph/iOmFI" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://archive.ph/iOmFI&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483317000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3iZmNkYq_MgQdgKu3ctrAC">Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare &ndash; Sinceriously</a></li>
<li><a href="https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://medium.com/@sefashapiro/a-community-warning-about-ziz-76c100180509&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483317000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3WZ4BwtZQuZzvYk4lER6t1">A community alert about Ziz. Police investigations, violence, and&hellip; | by SefaShapiro | Medium</a></li>
<li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220521125057/https:/www.plumofdiscord.com/tagged/cw-abuse" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://web.archive.org/web/20220521125057/https:/www.plumofdiscord.com/tagged/cw-abuse&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483317000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0QyClJC_iYr4jNBYQW2h9H">PLUM OF DISCORD (Posts tagged cw-abuse)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://archive.ph/mHiKh" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://archive.ph/mHiKh&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1741736483317000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2Ki7trUnLZ9gT2XXzjfp95">Timeline: Violence surrounding the Zizians leading to Border Patrol agent shooting</a></li>
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.

Everything you don't know about History's greatest monsters

Behind the Bastards

CZM Rewind: The Zizians: How Harry Potter Fanfic Inspired a Death Cult & The Zizians: Birth of a Cult Leader

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