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Hey everyone, Robert Evans here. It has been quite a summer. We've had two political conventions and I am just drained. So again, we are taking a week off and running a rerun this week. We do that occasionally because everyone deserves time off, including every now and then me. I did want to note this is an old episode on the Latter Days of l Ron Hubbard, one of our beloved podcast subjects, with Michael Swain and Abe Eperson, two of my old friends from Cracked dot com. They both have a podcast network called small Beans, which you can back on Patreon and you can find whoever podcasts are. And I also wanted to note and plug my friend Michael's novel The Climb. It's an epic fantasy memoir with some you know, magic realism elements to it. You can google The Climb Michael Swain Patreon. You can also look up The Climb wherever books are sold. I'm seeing it right now on the Barnes and Noble website. There's a bunch of other places that you can find The Climb, So check out The Climb. Michael Swain just typed that into Google. And here's the end of l Ron Hubbard what again, l ronning my Hubbard's It's part two Hubbard's Death episode, my guests, as with last time, Abe Epperson, Michael Swain, none of you will have noticed the joke in that, but I pointed to the wrong person. It did not translate visually hilarious. Another thing that's not going to translate visually is me getting ready the next product I'm going to throw during this episode, and tired of the bagels.

Hey everyone, Robert Evans here. It has been quite a summer. We've had two political conventions and I am just drained. So again, we are taking a week off and running a rerun this week. We do that occasionally because everyone deserves time off, including every now and then me. I did want to note this is an old episode on the Latter Days of l Ron Hubbard, one of our beloved podcast subjects, with Michael Swain and Abe Eperson, two of my old friends from Cracked dot com. They both have a podcast network called small Beans, which you can back on Patreon and you can find whoever podcasts are. And I also wanted to note and plug my friend Michael's novel The Climb. It's an epic fantasy memoir with some you know, magic realism elements to it. You can google The Climb Michael Swain Patreon. You can also look up The Climb wherever books are sold. I'm seeing it right now on the Barnes and Noble website. There's a bunch of other places that you can find The Climb, So check out The Climb. Michael Swain just typed that into Google. And here's the end of l Ron Hubbard what again, l ronning my Hubbard's It's part two Hubbard's Death episode, my guests, as with last time, Abe Epperson, Michael Swain, none of you will have noticed the joke in that, but I pointed to the wrong person. It did not translate visually hilarious. Another thing that's not going to translate visually is me getting ready the next product I'm going to throw during this episode, and tired of the bagels.

So Robert took out his big knife and I'm stabbing a plastic of a many many Kleenex boxes.

So Robert took out his big knife and I'm stabbing a plastic of a many many Kleenex boxes.

He pulled on off.

He pulled on off.

I'm going to be throwing clean X boxes. I'm gonna throw the first one.

I'm going to be throwing clean X boxes. I'm gonna throw the first one.

Man.

Man.

I went to the window right between.

I went to the window right between.

Us, right between the windows and to the walls. Yeah, and if you know the rest of that song, you know why we need so much clean ax. Yeah, we got a ten pack. Is a ten pack of throwing.

Us, right between the windows and to the walls. Yeah, and if you know the rest of that song, you know why we need so much clean ax. Yeah, we got a ten pack. Is a ten pack of throwing.

It is a lot of clean That is a lot of clean Ex.

It is a lot of clean That is a lot of clean Ex.

We'll throw all of them by the end of this episode.

We'll throw all of them by the end of this episode.

I thought you were gonna pop open one of those bad boys and throw individual Kleenex. But that's not as impact.

I thought you were gonna pop open one of those bad boys and throw individual Kleenex. But that's not as impact.

That does not have the impact of throwing a whole box of clean.

That does not have the impact of throwing a whole box of clean.

Is it important to you that the box be filled with Kleenex? There could have just be a box with a similar weight.

Is it important to you that the box be filled with Kleenex? There could have just be a box with a similar weight.

I think I'm just gonna throw a lot of stuff over the course of the rest of my career.

I think I'm just gonna throw a lot of stuff over the course of the rest of my career.

Understood.

Understood.

I like I like tossing.

I like I like tossing.

I like throwing.

I like throwing.

M hmm, both good things, both fun.

M hmm, both good things, both fun.

Get some salads in here for you, I would love to toss them.

Get some salads in here for you, I would love to toss them.

Hello everyone on their early morning comute.

Hello everyone on their early morning comute.

Welcome the Robert and the pig and the other pig. It's your drive times.

Welcome the Robert and the pig and the other pig. It's your drive times.

You know what I hate? Drive times?

You know what I hate? Drive times?

You?

You?

Yeah, that was a good one. Sophie.

Yeah, that was a good one. Sophie.

Who cleans up in here?

Who cleans up in here?

Is it me?

Is it me?

Oh? It's you, it's Sophie. Well, just got a said.

Oh? It's you, it's Sophie. Well, just got a said.

We've already established the joke. So this is going to keep happening, and there's no way to stop it.

We've already established the joke. So this is going to keep happening, and there's no way to stop it.

I can't.

I can't.

I can't over exaggerate your lack of enthusiasms.

I can't over exaggerate your lack of enthusiasms.

So far, you pick pretty easy things to clean up. When it evolves to throwing confetti, I'm just.

So far, you pick pretty easy things to clean up. When it evolves to throwing confetti, I'm just.

Gonna throw ornaments, shatter them against the walls.

Gonna throw ornaments, shatter them against the walls.

Just pushlas everything, push pins everywhere, push pins like a home alone that you.

Just pushlas everything, push pins everywhere, push pins like a home alone that you.

Bullets, just whatever, Just bullets.

Bullets, just whatever, Just bullets.

It's just I think someone who's barefoot so much of the time wouldn't want to scatter pointy things around the ground.

It's just I think someone who's barefoot so much of the time wouldn't want to scatter pointy things around the ground.

But okay, no, let's gout those councils.

But okay, no, let's gout those councils.

It's fine, it's fine. You know what else is fine?

It's fine, it's fine. You know what else is fine?

Oh?

Oh?

Ron Hubbard's career.

Ron Hubbard's career.

I disagree.

I disagree.

I can't wait, it's just fine.

I can't wait, it's just fine.

I might agree with that by the end. Oh, of course it's fine.

I might agree with that by the end. Oh, of course it's fine.

I mean, now, a, you do quite a lot of directing on your own, so I think you might pick up some tips and.

I mean, now, a, you do quite a lot of directing on your own, so I think you might pick up some tips and.

I'm gonna learn my next set. Oh, it's going to be bad, because this is a master class.

I'm gonna learn my next set. Oh, it's going to be bad, because this is a master class.

This is a master class. Right now, Everyone who listens to this episode will be qualified to direct a Hollywood production. Yes, it just takes this much on film scene on Hubbard Poe school by behind the Vest.

This is a master class. Right now, Everyone who listens to this episode will be qualified to direct a Hollywood production. Yes, it just takes this much on film scene on Hubbard Poe school by behind the Vest.

It really does only take that much if you also have millions, literally infinite money. Yeah.

It really does only take that much if you also have millions, literally infinite money. Yeah.

Now, life on the run is not good for anyone's health. Despite his vast wealth and the opulent surroundings of the Lakita Ranch where he hid out in southern California, by early nineteen seventy seven, Hubbard's lifestyle was catching up with him again. Anne Rosenbloom, who trained to be a messenger during this period, was horrified by his appearance when she first met him. Quote the first night I was there, I didn't talk to LRH since he was busy, but I saw him. He had long, reddish gray hair down past his shoulders, rotting teeth, and a really fat gut. He didn't look anything like his pictures. The next day I met him, he was doing exercises in his courtyard and called me over. I was nervous meeting him. I was really surprised that I didn't feel this electric something or other that I was told happens when you are around him. So these were in the last days before the FBI dragonet close down around Mary Sue Hubbard and all of el Ron's people with the Guardian's Office, and Mary Sue became extra protective of her husband during this period. Her dogs, which were said to be clear, guarded him at all times. If they barked at you, it was a sign that you were secretly committing crimes against the Hubbards, or had done so in a past line.

Now, life on the run is not good for anyone's health. Despite his vast wealth and the opulent surroundings of the Lakita Ranch where he hid out in southern California, by early nineteen seventy seven, Hubbard's lifestyle was catching up with him again. Anne Rosenbloom, who trained to be a messenger during this period, was horrified by his appearance when she first met him. Quote the first night I was there, I didn't talk to LRH since he was busy, but I saw him. He had long, reddish gray hair down past his shoulders, rotting teeth, and a really fat gut. He didn't look anything like his pictures. The next day I met him, he was doing exercises in his courtyard and called me over. I was nervous meeting him. I was really surprised that I didn't feel this electric something or other that I was told happens when you are around him. So these were in the last days before the FBI dragonet close down around Mary Sue Hubbard and all of el Ron's people with the Guardian's Office, and Mary Sue became extra protective of her husband during this period. Her dogs, which were said to be clear, guarded him at all times. If they barked at you, it was a sign that you were secretly committing crimes against the Hubbards, or had done so in a past line.

Oh, that's not going to stoke his paranoia. Anytime the dog barks, that mailman is an agent who opposes the church.

Oh, that's not going to stoke his paranoia. Anytime the dog barks, that mailman is an agent who opposes the church.

What happens when the dog barks at him?

What happens when the dog barks at him?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Or oh shit, I don't think the dogs stare around if they bark at him.

Or oh shit, I don't think the dogs stare around if they bark at him.

Yeah, yeah, they just have new dogs on deck.

Yeah, yeah, they just have new dogs on deck.

That dog toy is a suppressive person who knew now.

That dog toy is a suppressive person who knew now.

Elron continued to innovate his tech during this period. His main interest was the purification run down, which he viewed as a cure for drug addiction. This was an evolution of Hubbard's GUK vitamin treatment, which we talked about during the first three parter. Today, the purification rundown is a popular scientology treatment that involves massive doses of vitamins and a sweat lodge. In Oklahoma, it killed four people over the course of three years. Hubbard developed this treatment based on what he believed with the effects of LSD on the body. According to Jim Kalki, one of Helberd's longtime helpers, quote, all the information came from one person who had taken LSD once. That was how he did his research.

Elron continued to innovate his tech during this period. His main interest was the purification run down, which he viewed as a cure for drug addiction. This was an evolution of Hubbard's GUK vitamin treatment, which we talked about during the first three parter. Today, the purification rundown is a popular scientology treatment that involves massive doses of vitamins and a sweat lodge. In Oklahoma, it killed four people over the course of three years. Hubbard developed this treatment based on what he believed with the effects of LSD on the body. According to Jim Kalki, one of Helberd's longtime helpers, quote, all the information came from one person who had taken LSD once. That was how he did his research.

It's pretty chill, dude, all right, it's going on.

It's pretty chill, dude, all right, it's going on.

This is my ship right here.

This is my ship right here.

Honestly, it was good.

Honestly, it was good.

Now, Hulbard became convinced that the purification Rundown was going to cure all of the world's drug addictions. He decided this achievement had clearly earned him a Nobel Prize, and he wrote it an order to his pr officer, authorizing the expenditure of unlimited funds to win him the Nobel Prize. He so clearly deserved this. He didn't. He didn't get a Nobel Oh. Really, it turns out it's kind of hard to bribe this guys.

Now, Hulbard became convinced that the purification Rundown was going to cure all of the world's drug addictions. He decided this achievement had clearly earned him a Nobel Prize, and he wrote it an order to his pr officer, authorizing the expenditure of unlimited funds to win him the Nobel Prize. He so clearly deserved this. He didn't. He didn't get a Nobel Oh. Really, it turns out it's kind of hard to bribe this guys.

I can't say that it's canon.

I can't say that it's canon.

I do think, you know, if the listeners of this podcast want to get me a Nobel Prize, I will do drugs off of it.

I do think, you know, if the listeners of this podcast want to get me a Nobel Prize, I will do drugs off of it.

That's what I would you rather get a Nobel Prize for stopping all drug use you personally, or just have listeners send you some drugs?

That's what I would you rather get a Nobel Prize for stopping all drug use you personally, or just have listeners send you some drugs?

Oh?

Oh?

I would I would rather get the Nobel Prize. I've got a blacksmith, So I'd take the Noble Price to my blacksmith and have it forged into a crack pipe and begin smoking pipe.

I would I would rather get the Nobel Prize. I've got a blacksmith, So I'd take the Noble Price to my blacksmith and have it forged into a crack pipe and begin smoking pipe.

Yeah, you know that, except if.

Yeah, you know that, except if.

You want to see me throwing some stuff, you'd give me some crack and a Nobel Peace pipe as well.

You want to see me throwing some stuff, you'd give me some crack and a Nobel Peace pipe as well.

I think the Nobel Peace Prize.

I think the Nobel Peace Prize.

And you know where that cash prize is all going to be spent, Yeah, under a bridge, filling up that pipe.

And you know where that cash prize is all going to be spent, Yeah, under a bridge, filling up that pipe.

Then you're going to get shived for your golden pipe.

Then you're going to get shived for your golden pipe.

So that's gone. Yeah, that's what happens under bridges.

So that's gone. Yeah, that's what happens under bridges.

It's not going to be great now. Hubbard transferred from Lakinta to hide out in Sparks, Nevada. After the FBI crashed down on operations snow White. All contact with the Guardian's Office and the Hubbard family was suspended, and l RH relied on his child messengers to deliver his words to and from church leadership. On May nineteen seventy seven, Star Wars launched to a world of unsuspecting moviegoers.

It's not going to be great now. Hubbard transferred from Lakinta to hide out in Sparks, Nevada. After the FBI crashed down on operations snow White. All contact with the Guardian's Office and the Hubbard family was suspended, and l RH relied on his child messengers to deliver his words to and from church leadership. On May nineteen seventy seven, Star Wars launched to a world of unsuspecting moviegoers.

Here.

Here.

It made conservatively all the money and changed both Hollywood and the world forever.

It made conservatively all the money and changed both Hollywood and the world forever.

Now.

Now.

I don't know if l Ron Hubbard ever actually saw Star Wars. I kind of doubt it because he was a horrible narcissist who probably never read or watched anyone else's science fiction. But it's possible.

I don't know if l Ron Hubbard ever actually saw Star Wars. I kind of doubt it because he was a horrible narcissist who probably never read or watched anyone else's science fiction. But it's possible.

I know he read a lot of Harlan Ellison, who's my favorite sci fi. He definitely yeah, like personal friends, and I guess you know, you feel the guilt or like you have to.

I know he read a lot of Harlan Ellison, who's my favorite sci fi. He definitely yeah, like personal friends, and I guess you know, you feel the guilt or like you have to.

But you imagine the one person who could get along with l Ron Hubbard. Of course, it's Harlan Ellison.

But you imagine the one person who could get along with l Ron Hubbard. Of course, it's Harlan Ellison.

It's just weird that if you he seems to really like sci fi.

It's just weird that if you he seems to really like sci fi.

Yeah, he resist, it's hard to like. I don't know if he ever saw it, but he definitely paid attention to its financial success. From July to December of nineteen seventy seven, while hiding out in Sparks, Nevada, he worked feverishly on the screenplay for a feature film, Revolt in the Stars. This was a dramatization of one.

Yeah, he resist, it's hard to like. I don't know if he ever saw it, but he definitely paid attention to its financial success. From July to December of nineteen seventy seven, while hiding out in Sparks, Nevada, he worked feverishly on the screenplay for a feature film, Revolt in the Stars. This was a dramatization of one.

Of those star wars.

Of those star wars.

Yeah it's a war that does occur in the stars, Yeah, star wars. Yeah, it's star war, if you will. This was a dramatization of one of the highest level scientology training courses, the O T three Information or Operating Thetans.

Yeah it's a war that does occur in the stars, Yeah, star wars. Yeah, it's star war, if you will. This was a dramatization of one of the highest level scientology training courses, the O T three Information or Operating Thetans.

I'm gonna give that away. You have to pay one hundred grand for that.

I'm gonna give that away. You have to pay one hundred grand for that.

There's actually some weird stuff regarding that, which we'll get to here. So the rough plot was that an evil space dictator Xenu, murdered seventy six planets worth of aliens sucked in their frozen ghasts to Earth and blew them up with nuclear bombs, strapped a volcanoes.

There's actually some weird stuff regarding that, which we'll get to here. So the rough plot was that an evil space dictator Xenu, murdered seventy six planets worth of aliens sucked in their frozen ghasts to Earth and blew them up with nuclear bombs, strapped a volcanoes.

Ghosts.

Ghosts.

Ghosts are water vapor, and they all have swords.

Ghosts are water vapor, and they all have swords.

You can freeze a ghost lodged. Oh my god, I just figured out how we can solve global warming. All right. People least likely to believe in global warming are also probably going to be the most superstitious people in the country. So I'm gonna guess global warming deniers also have a high tendency to believe the magical thinking to convince them that if the ice caps melt, all of the ghosts will be freed. I think we have a plan here.

You can freeze a ghost lodged. Oh my god, I just figured out how we can solve global warming. All right. People least likely to believe in global warming are also probably going to be the most superstitious people in the country. So I'm gonna guess global warming deniers also have a high tendency to believe the magical thinking to convince them that if the ice caps melt, all of the ghosts will be freed. I think we have a plan here.

Then we got a problem, and then we got a plan, and we.

Then we got a problem, and then we got a plan, and we.

Got a probably got to cool down the world to keep the ghost a ghost.

Got a probably got to cool down the world to keep the ghost a ghost.

Dictators need to never stop doing whatever drug they did as a child, right, And there are ghosts in the North Pole, the coasts.

Dictators need to never stop doing whatever drug they did as a child, right, And there are ghosts in the North Pole, the coasts.

In the North Pole, and they will kill us if we don't freeze them.

In the North Pole, and they will kill us if we don't freeze them.

These are the myths of our time that we need to embrace that will help us.

These are the myths of our time that we need to embrace that will help us.

It's like that I saw a post where someone, some anti vaxxer was talking about how you can actually make vaccine safe if you rub a potato on the vaccine injection site, and it's like, yeah, okay, just tell them that, yeah, vaccinate your kids and rub him with the potato.

It's like that I saw a post where someone, some anti vaxxer was talking about how you can actually make vaccine safe if you rub a potato on the vaccine injection site, and it's like, yeah, okay, just tell them that, yeah, vaccinate your kids and rub him with the potato.

Just release all of Dan Ackroyd's books. Yeah.

Just release all of Dan Ackroyd's books. Yeah.

Ten years later, the Potato flew decimates the population of North America.

Ten years later, the Potato flew decimates the population of North America.

Hot Potatoes.

Hot Potatoes.

That will be the last Fox News chyn before everyone dies.

That will be the last Fox News chyn before everyone dies.

Potatoes are too hot potato and the round is over.

Potatoes are too hot potato and the round is over.

Oh boy, potatos ghost.

Oh boy, potatos ghost.

Now, if you paid attention to anything I've said about Alon Hubbard over the last five hours or so of podcasts about the fucker, you know that he's literally in able of giving up on any single idea he ever had. Now, y'all remember Excalibur, the book Hubbard claimed to have written in nineteen thirty eight that he said was so profound it caused people to commit suicide. And after reading it, yeah, locked away.

Now, if you paid attention to anything I've said about Alon Hubbard over the last five hours or so of podcasts about the fucker, you know that he's literally in able of giving up on any single idea he ever had. Now, y'all remember Excalibur, the book Hubbard claimed to have written in nineteen thirty eight that he said was so profound it caused people to commit suicide. And after reading it, yeah, locked away.

From how I know the words his caliber from is that.

From how I know the words his caliber from is that.

Well, yeah, it's like the Moni python, the funniest joke that you can't see.

Well, yeah, it's like the Moni python, the funniest joke that you can't see.

But with psychology, Yeah, yeah, philosophy the second.

But with psychology, Yeah, yeah, philosophy the second.

You go mad right as you love? Would that be good? That's not a feather in your cap. You're like, this guy read my book and committed suicide. Right after. I think that means it's super good.

You go mad right as you love? Would that be good? That's not a feather in your cap. You're like, this guy read my book and committed suicide. Right after. I think that means it's super good.

I kind of want that comic Con panel we have today, George RR. Martin and the guy who wrote the book that makes everyone.

I kind of want that comic Con panel we have today, George RR. Martin and the guy who wrote the book that makes everyone.

Kill themselves, My name is l.

Kill themselves, My name is l.

Forty years after his claims about Excalibur started, Hubbard made the same claims about the OT three course materials. Scientologists weren't exposed to the Xenu story until they were several years and thousands of dollars into the religion already. That's because, according to Hubbard, learning the story of zene it would cause death in a matter of days. According to Tony Ortega, a former scientologist who's now an activist against the church, quote, if we follow his logic, his intention in writing it was to produce a film that, if shown to the world, would kill off all the non OT three part of the population.

Forty years after his claims about Excalibur started, Hubbard made the same claims about the OT three course materials. Scientologists weren't exposed to the Xenu story until they were several years and thousands of dollars into the religion already. That's because, according to Hubbard, learning the story of zene it would cause death in a matter of days. According to Tony Ortega, a former scientologist who's now an activist against the church, quote, if we follow his logic, his intention in writing it was to produce a film that, if shown to the world, would kill off all the non OT three part of the population.

Oh man, the biblical flood. Yeah, for everyone who's not hasn't paid me enough money to be at this level.

Oh man, the biblical flood. Yeah, for everyone who's not hasn't paid me enough money to be at this level.

He's gonna make a movie to kill everybody.

He's gonna make a movie to kill everybody.

He's gonna make a fucking passion of the wrong.

He's gonna make a fucking passion of the wrong.

I'm firmly convinced, and of course there's no way to prove that. At every step, a large chunk of him knows that, and it's probably the thing's most proud of. Ye look at how I built a billion dollar empire on nothing.

I'm firmly convinced, and of course there's no way to prove that. At every step, a large chunk of him knows that, and it's probably the thing's most proud of. Ye look at how I built a billion dollar empire on nothing.

I'm not proud of that.

I'm not proud of that.

So I don't think he wrote it thinking this will kill everything. But it's still every detail of his life is better if you assume he believed his own it is.

So I don't think he wrote it thinking this will kill everything. But it's still every detail of his life is better if you assume he believed his own it is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think he started to at a certain point.

I think he started to at a certain point.

You don't know how you don't mix it up.

You don't know how you don't mix it up.

Yeah, you don't make the kids search for gold for months on on, like cramped sailing vessels, if you don't really believe they might find some some.

Yeah, you don't make the kids search for gold for months on on, like cramped sailing vessels, if you don't really believe they might find some some.

Of the paranoid shit he did, You're like, well, that's not fabricated. He's really grappling with paranoia.

Of the paranoid shit he did, You're like, well, that's not fabricated. He's really grappling with paranoia.

Yeah, he's definitely paranoid.

Yeah, he's definitely paranoid.

I imagine like little l Ron, Little Ron, Yeah, like going to the ice cream truck and like say, saying to the guys selling the ice cream, like you know that popsicles are ghosts, and he goes really, yeah, he's like, oh my god, that worked.

I imagine like little l Ron, Little Ron, Yeah, like going to the ice cream truck and like say, saying to the guys selling the ice cream, like you know that popsicles are ghosts, and he goes really, yeah, he's like, oh my god, that worked.

I know what my life is.

I know what my life is.

Oh god. I do like to think about, like what would happen if this movie was made and did what Hubbard said it would do, and like everyone who watched it killed themselves because I have conversations with your friends would be like, you know, there's that new movie that makes everybody kill themselves. You want to go see? Well, yeah, I kind of do you kind of like I love life.

Oh god. I do like to think about, like what would happen if this movie was made and did what Hubbard said it would do, and like everyone who watched it killed themselves because I have conversations with your friends would be like, you know, there's that new movie that makes everybody kill themselves. You want to go see? Well, yeah, I kind of do you kind of like I love life.

But also I have the AMC movie past I got to use it on something, use it on something, and I am dying to know the details anymore.

But also I have the AMC movie past I got to use it on something, use it on something, and I am dying to know the details anymore.

And yeah, watch them.

And yeah, watch them.

Also, what a weird experience if you came into the room late and everyone is dead, but there's one person and you're like, ew, you're a ot three in scientology.

Also, what a weird experience if you came into the room late and everyone is dead, but there's one person and you're like, ew, you're a ot three in scientology.

I did not know that, And they're like, I know. So.

I did not know that, And they're like, I know. So.

Another thing that Ortega notes in his article about Revolt in the Stars is that John Travolta is still to this day expressing a desire to make the movie into a major Hollywood production, which may mean that John Travolta secretly wants to commit mass planetary genocide.

Another thing that Ortega notes in his article about Revolt in the Stars is that John Travolta is still to this day expressing a desire to make the movie into a major Hollywood production, which may mean that John Travolta secretly wants to commit mass planetary genocide.

Yes, at the very least he knows that thing.

Yes, at the very least he knows that thing.

Yeah, the idea that John Travolta is trying to wipe out all life on Earth that's not scientology is now my favorite conspiracy theory.

Yeah, the idea that John Travolta is trying to wipe out all life on Earth that's not scientology is now my favorite conspiracy theory.

Right. Yeah, I also believe that now, probably thanks to the popularity of this podcast. Some group of nerds who I will love forever forever will find this and shoot it on their phones and send it to us.

Right. Yeah, I also believe that now, probably thanks to the popularity of this podcast. Some group of nerds who I will love forever forever will find this and shoot it on their phones and send it to us.

Shoot Bastard's pants. Yeah, please make the movie that kills.

Shoot Bastard's pants. Yeah, please make the movie that kills.

Everything, which is basically he just thought of The Ring. Yeah, the Ring, but for everyone, for everyone.

Everything, which is basically he just thought of The Ring. Yeah, the Ring, but for everyone, for everyone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And just as as sort of future payment to whoever does shoot Revolt in the Stars, I'm gonna throw another box of cleaners, right yeah, mazzle.

And just as as sort of future payment to whoever does shoot Revolt in the Stars, I'm gonna throw another box of cleaners, right yeah, mazzle.

To number three.

To number three.

That's a scientology thing, right yep?

That's a scientology thing, right yep?

I think so? Uh or take it. Apparently read through the script for a Volt among the Stars, which I think you can find if you really look for it, and he summed up its plot this way. Quote and the script Hubbard wrote for the movie. The character rawl, clearly based on Hubbard himself, takes on the might of various two dimensional characters with single syllable names Chi and men who have wandered out of an episode of Flash Gordon. The screenplay apparently ends on these lines, as the evil Zenu is strapped into a prison inside of one of the volcanoes he previously bombed to murder space ghosts, wetting his dry cracked lips Xenu looked up at the doctor, some terror showing in his glazed eyes. These devices keep one alive forever. Don't talk, snapped the doctor. A guard stepped forward. Don't talk to the prisoner. Despairing, Xenu rolled his eyes. How long is forever? No one answered? No one knew.

I think so? Uh or take it. Apparently read through the script for a Volt among the Stars, which I think you can find if you really look for it, and he summed up its plot this way. Quote and the script Hubbard wrote for the movie. The character rawl, clearly based on Hubbard himself, takes on the might of various two dimensional characters with single syllable names Chi and men who have wandered out of an episode of Flash Gordon. The screenplay apparently ends on these lines, as the evil Zenu is strapped into a prison inside of one of the volcanoes he previously bombed to murder space ghosts, wetting his dry cracked lips Xenu looked up at the doctor, some terror showing in his glazed eyes. These devices keep one alive forever. Don't talk, snapped the doctor. A guard stepped forward. Don't talk to the prisoner. Despairing, Xenu rolled his eyes. How long is forever? No one answered? No one knew.

Well, yeah, what what?

Well, yeah, what what?

What the fuck you talking about?

What the fuck you talking about?

I mean, it sounds like I've been to film school, and there's quite a bit of scripts that are suspicious of this type of varriety.

I mean, it sounds like I've been to film school, and there's quite a bit of scripts that are suspicious of this type of varriety.

By the way, when your movie Revolts among the Stars comes out, everyone's going to refer to it as rats.

By the way, when your movie Revolts among the Stars comes out, everyone's going to refer to it as rats.

So good luck with that now. Hubbard's dream was to make the movie himself and add George Lucas to his list of accomplishments, alongside aviation pioneer, treasure hunter, profit and surprisingly good at sex. This gradually expanded into a desire to add a whole film production wing to the Church of Scientology. The Sena Org, a ten acre ranch around Lakina, was purchased, code named Monroe, and turned into housing for the production staff for l Ron Hubbard's new film company, Slash Cult. The studio was built on a one hundred and forty acre grapefruit farm that the church also purchased.

So good luck with that now. Hubbard's dream was to make the movie himself and add George Lucas to his list of accomplishments, alongside aviation pioneer, treasure hunter, profit and surprisingly good at sex. This gradually expanded into a desire to add a whole film production wing to the Church of Scientology. The Sena Org, a ten acre ranch around Lakina, was purchased, code named Monroe, and turned into housing for the production staff for l Ron Hubbard's new film company, Slash Cult. The studio was built on a one hundred and forty acre grapefruit farm that the church also purchased.

How do you give notes when you're in a cl like if everyone acting in it and producing it is on set.

How do you give notes when you're in a cl like if everyone acting in it and producing it is on set.

There are no notes. Yeah, you do what he tells you.

There are no notes. Yeah, you do what he tells you.

This.

This.

I usually think the set's a little, uh, a little gaudy right now. That's suppressive, dude, that's suppressive.

I usually think the set's a little, uh, a little gaudy right now. That's suppressive, dude, that's suppressive.

Moody kills everyone though, Like does the screenplay just like paralyze them or is it the like what stage does the magic like kill yourself?

Moody kills everyone though, Like does the screenplay just like paralyze them or is it the like what stage does the magic like kill yourself?

Well, all of these people are OT three so they can hear it, so they can.

Well, all of these people are OT three so they can hear it, so they can.

Do whatever there.

Do whatever there.

I bet his plan was to do the opposite, let the movie come out, no one dies, and then say see, you're all scientologists.

I bet his plan was to do the opposite, let the movie come out, no one dies, and then say see, you're all scientologists.

You don't even know it, and you got to pay forty I see.

You don't even know it, and you got to pay forty I see.

Now.

Now.

Yeah, so they buy several different giant ranches to add to the already giant ranch and turn into a film production studio. Now, according to the book, Bear Face, Messiah, quote, lights, Dolly's cameras, and a vast range of technical equipment were all moved into the new studio. Hubbard took to wearing a cowboy hat, suspenders in a bandana, which he imagined gave him an artistic me in appropriate to a film director. The sene Org was to cut its teeth, making simple promotional films illustratingvarious situations in which Scientology could be used beneficially. Hubbard wrote all the scripts and knew exactly what he wanted.

Yeah, so they buy several different giant ranches to add to the already giant ranch and turn into a film production studio. Now, according to the book, Bear Face, Messiah, quote, lights, Dolly's cameras, and a vast range of technical equipment were all moved into the new studio. Hubbard took to wearing a cowboy hat, suspenders in a bandana, which he imagined gave him an artistic me in appropriate to a film director. The sene Org was to cut its teeth, making simple promotional films illustratingvarious situations in which Scientology could be used beneficially. Hubbard wrote all the scripts and knew exactly what he wanted.

Constantly biting into a raw grapefruit, he just care, is it all that.

Constantly biting into a raw grapefruit, he just care, is it all that.

Thompson right now?

Thompson right now?

He is Hunter would be shooting at people, would have a people, Yeah, but he's he's using cameras. So Hubbard knew what he wanted, but found out that it was it's really hard to make movies like this is kind of a difficult thing to do, and so uh, his first productions did not all go well. Now, some of this had to do with the fact that the random assortment of people who'd found the Church of Scientology compelling did not all possess the incredibly specific technical know how necessary to make films. Now, I want to note that this had been true of l Ron Hubbard's Navy too, and they'd sort of faked it until they'd made it. But it turns out that the same strategy does not work with movie making. Thus, answering forever the age old question, is it harder to captain a boat or man of boom mic? Harder to man of boom mic? Apparently easier to get random people to be part of a navy.

He is Hunter would be shooting at people, would have a people, Yeah, but he's he's using cameras. So Hubbard knew what he wanted, but found out that it was it's really hard to make movies like this is kind of a difficult thing to do, and so uh, his first productions did not all go well. Now, some of this had to do with the fact that the random assortment of people who'd found the Church of Scientology compelling did not all possess the incredibly specific technical know how necessary to make films. Now, I want to note that this had been true of l Ron Hubbard's Navy too, and they'd sort of faked it until they'd made it. But it turns out that the same strategy does not work with movie making. Thus, answering forever the age old question, is it harder to captain a boat or man of boom mic? Harder to man of boom mic? Apparently easier to get random people to be part of a navy.

Well, there's no because you can drop depth charges and say you hit something, and that's fine. When you're shooting a movie, if you don't get the scene, it's not it's just.

Well, there's no because you can drop depth charges and say you hit something, and that's fine. When you're shooting a movie, if you don't get the scene, it's not it's just.

Listen to it and say, uh, this is shitty sound.

Listen to it and say, uh, this is shitty sound.

So the church put out a call to any members of the faith who had even vaguely relevant experience in the film industry. The best they could do was Adele and Ernie Hartwell, championship ballroom dancers who had taken a few courses and were told that the Senate Org would be their path into the scientology elite. They were not impressed upon their arrival to the Cina Org. Ernie later recalled, I was absolutely shocked to see everyone running around in shorts, ragged clothes, dirty and unkempt. They put us in a little three room shack on the edge of the ranch. We go inside and what a mess. The place was overrun with bugs and insects. Adele said, quote. The main thing I disliked was that When we first got there, we were programmed on the lies we had to tell. If we ran into one of our friends, we had to tell a lie to them and say that we were just there for a vacation. We were schooled on how to get away from process servers, FBI agents, and any government officials or any police, anyone anything to do with Ubbard. Welcome to our production company. Here's what you say to the FBI.

So the church put out a call to any members of the faith who had even vaguely relevant experience in the film industry. The best they could do was Adele and Ernie Hartwell, championship ballroom dancers who had taken a few courses and were told that the Senate Org would be their path into the scientology elite. They were not impressed upon their arrival to the Cina Org. Ernie later recalled, I was absolutely shocked to see everyone running around in shorts, ragged clothes, dirty and unkempt. They put us in a little three room shack on the edge of the ranch. We go inside and what a mess. The place was overrun with bugs and insects. Adele said, quote. The main thing I disliked was that When we first got there, we were programmed on the lies we had to tell. If we ran into one of our friends, we had to tell a lie to them and say that we were just there for a vacation. We were schooled on how to get away from process servers, FBI agents, and any government officials or any police, anyone anything to do with Ubbard. Welcome to our production company. Here's what you say to the FBI.

I bet just that being in California, there's a fair chance some of these people probably would have gone to film school if they weren't broke from spending all their money on the Church of Scientology.

I bet just that being in California, there's a fair chance some of these people probably would have gone to film school if they weren't broke from spending all their money on the Church of Scientology.

And they came from everywhere though. Sure he just moved them to like you just had to go wherever you be.

And they came from everywhere though. Sure he just moved them to like you just had to go wherever you be.

But they have all the money. Send some people to film school if.

But they have all the money. Send some people to film school if.

Yeah, what great voices were squashed out by al Ron Hubbard's movie making an interprese?

Yeah, what great voices were squashed out by al Ron Hubbard's movie making an interprese?

Hey, I want to see these cult people's movie.

Hey, I want to see these cult people's movie.

I do desperately want to see these cult people's movies. You know what else I want to see or at least listen to the fine products and services that have advertised on our show and or program.

I do desperately want to see these cult people's movies. You know what else I want to see or at least listen to the fine products and services that have advertised on our show and or program.

Oh I love those I want to see them.

Oh I love those I want to see them.

But kind of fingers crossed.

But kind of fingers crossed.

I'll just close my eyes and imagine.

I'll just close my eyes and imagine.

Yeah, our ads are randomly generated a lot of the time, so it is possible the Church of Scientology will advertise. If so, I'm actually fine with that if they advertise on this episode totally now I'm not.

Yeah, our ads are randomly generated a lot of the time, so it is possible the Church of Scientology will advertise. If so, I'm actually fine with that if they advertise on this episode totally now I'm not.

I'm okay with it.

I'm okay with it.

I don't know if listening through all this an ad for the Church of Scientology makes you decide you know what, Yes.

I don't know if listening through all this an ad for the Church of Scientology makes you decide you know what, Yes.

This is true of me.

This is true of me.

You clicked on this and you're like, but the ad really resonated.

You clicked on this and you're like, but the ad really resonated.

Yeah, all right, products we're back and Sophie is actually leaving the room. She's about to open the door, which is bad for sound quality but good for what I like to call cinema verite, a term I invented for podcasts.

Yeah, all right, products we're back and Sophie is actually leaving the room. She's about to open the door, which is bad for sound quality but good for what I like to call cinema verite, a term I invented for podcasts.

Being true, we're really peeling back the podcasting curtain.

Being true, we're really peeling back the podcasting curtain.

Yeah, because that term I didn't the term loosely affiliated with podcasts.

Yeah, because that term I didn't the term loosely affiliated with podcasts.

Yeah, hence the word cinema and the curtain. Well, you know, the main goal when you make a podcast is to uh just broadcast to everyone else that yes, you should also have a podcast.

Yeah, hence the word cinema and the curtain. Well, you know, the main goal when you make a podcast is to uh just broadcast to everyone else that yes, you should also have a podcast.

You should have a podcast.

You should have a podcast.

I'll rest till every there's as many podcasts as there are people.

I'll rest till every there's as many podcasts as there are people.

I want there to be twice as many podcasts as people, and until there are, I will continue to throw.

I want there to be twice as many podcasts as people, and until there are, I will continue to throw.

Clean I laughed, but it hit me in the throat.

Clean I laughed, but it hit me in the throat.

Well, you know what they say about throats, Michael Products and Services, it's the laziest part of the body.

Well, you know what they say about throats, Michael Products and Services, it's the laziest part of the body.

That's true.

That's true.

All right, we're back.

All right, we're back.

Well there's parastalsis, But.

Well there's parastalsis, But.

So l Ron Hubbard, a tour director, was still desperately afraid of being brought in by a surprise police rate. A souped up dodged dart with a full tank of gas was kept on stand by twenty four to seven outside of his production facility.

So l Ron Hubbard, a tour director, was still desperately afraid of being brought in by a surprise police rate. A souped up dodged dart with a full tank of gas was kept on stand by twenty four to seven outside of his production facility.

He just fucking run car.

He just fucking run car.

The director has a like, I feel like everything you said so far is applicable only to l Ron Hubbard or Roman Polanski.

The director has a like, I feel like everything you said so far is applicable only to l Ron Hubbard or Roman Polanski.

Every day put a Philly cheese steak on the dashboard and replace it the next day. I might have to go.

Every day put a Philly cheese steak on the dashboard and replace it the next day. I might have to go.

Said, He's like, it occurs to me that we should just have a table of disguises.

Said, He's like, it occurs to me that we should just have a table of disguises.

They literally did. All right, all right now, I don't know if any of y'all are aware of this, but AU tour directors are not known to be mentally healthy people. At the best of times, oh Ron Hubbard might have given a guy like Stanley Kubrick a run for his money in the crazy pants category.

They literally did. All right, all right now, I don't know if any of y'all are aware of this, but AU tour directors are not known to be mentally healthy people. At the best of times, oh Ron Hubbard might have given a guy like Stanley Kubrick a run for his money in the crazy pants category.

Dalley Kubrick finished movies.

Dalley Kubrick finished movies.

He did finish movies.

He did finish movies.

Adele first met Hubbard when she was working in the wardrobe department and heard him start to scream in a group of his underlings. Quote this is a quote Hubbard directings, Oh Hea, you dirty, goddamn sons of bitches. You're so goddamn stupid. Fuck you, you cocksuckers. It seemed to go on for several minutes. I had something in my hand and it fell to the floor. I said, who in the world is that? They said it was the Boss. We weren't allowed to use the name Hubbard for security reasons. You mean the leader of the church speaks like that, I asked, Oh, yes, was the reply. He doesn't believe in keeping anything back.

Adele first met Hubbard when she was working in the wardrobe department and heard him start to scream in a group of his underlings. Quote this is a quote Hubbard directings, Oh Hea, you dirty, goddamn sons of bitches. You're so goddamn stupid. Fuck you, you cocksuckers. It seemed to go on for several minutes. I had something in my hand and it fell to the floor. I said, who in the world is that? They said it was the Boss. We weren't allowed to use the name Hubbard for security reasons. You mean the leader of the church speaks like that, I asked, Oh, yes, was the reply. He doesn't believe in keeping anything back.

Yeah, this is straight out of the book of a usc School cinematic Arts.

Yeah, this is straight out of the book of a usc School cinematic Arts.

Actually, goddamn sons of bitches. Adele's first big job was makeup assistant on a Hubbard flip called The Unfathomable Man. It was a modest project covering the entire history of the human race from the beginning of time to the modern era through the eyes of al Ron Hubbard.

Actually, goddamn sons of bitches. Adele's first big job was makeup assistant on a Hubbard flip called The Unfathomable Man. It was a modest project covering the entire history of the human race from the beginning of time to the modern era through the eyes of al Ron Hubbard.

I'm sorry, this is a great you can't even think of it. What's the first thing you think? Well, he's a man.

I'm sorry, this is a great you can't even think of it. What's the first thing you think? Well, he's a man.

Well I can think of a man, not this guy.

Well I can think of a man, not this guy.

Adele's recollections make it sound rather surprisingly like a Sam Raimi flick quote. Did he ever like those films to be bloody? It was enough to make you sick. We'd be shooting a scene and all of a sudden he'd yell, stop, make it more gory. We'd go running out on the set and with all this carrow syrup and food coloring, and we'd just dump it all over the actors. Then we'd folm some more and he'd stop, stop it again and say it's still not gory enough. Then we'd throw more blood on them.

Adele's recollections make it sound rather surprisingly like a Sam Raimi flick quote. Did he ever like those films to be bloody? It was enough to make you sick. We'd be shooting a scene and all of a sudden he'd yell, stop, make it more gory. We'd go running out on the set and with all this carrow syrup and food coloring, and we'd just dump it all over the actors. Then we'd folm some more and he'd stop, stop it again and say it's still not gory enough. Then we'd throw more blood on them.

Well, he's competing with the Bible, so he's kind of matches. Every religion needs to match a certain level of gore just to keep our interest.

Well, he's competing with the Bible, so he's kind of matches. Every religion needs to match a certain level of gore just to keep our interest.

Just imagine men at him at monitor and when they nail like how much blood.

Just imagine men at him at monitor and when they nail like how much blood.

He's just yes, this will bring scientology to the masses.

He's just yes, this will bring scientology to the masses.

Okay, now pour some blood on me. Okay, now we can continue get the disguises.

Okay, now pour some blood on me. Okay, now we can continue get the disguises.

The movie included a scene where an FBI office was bombed. This was understandably al Ron Hubbard's favorite part.

The movie included a scene where an FBI office was bombed. This was understandably al Ron Hubbard's favorite part.

He jerked off scene, and I imagine he grew a little over enthusiastic and had so much blood dumped on his actors that their clothing stuck to their bodies and had to be cut off by the wardrobe people.

He jerked off scene, and I imagine he grew a little over enthusiastic and had so much blood dumped on his actors that their clothing stuck to their bodies and had to be cut off by the wardrobe people.

Hubbard made up for his general lack of knowledge of how to make movies by being an incredibly persnickety asshole. According to bare Face Messiah quote, when the sene Org was shooting in the studio, all the sets had to be cleaned and scrubbed with special soap every morning before Hubbard arrived, and the messengers would go round with white gloves to assure it had been done properly. Hubbard had a director's chair that no one else was allowed to sit in, and as he was walking around the set, a messenger would follow close behind him, ready to put the chair underneath him if he chose to sit down. One unfortunate girl got the positioning wrong by a few min inches, and as the commodore sat down.

Hubbard made up for his general lack of knowledge of how to make movies by being an incredibly persnickety asshole. According to bare Face Messiah quote, when the sene Org was shooting in the studio, all the sets had to be cleaned and scrubbed with special soap every morning before Hubbard arrived, and the messengers would go round with white gloves to assure it had been done properly. Hubbard had a director's chair that no one else was allowed to sit in, and as he was walking around the set, a messenger would follow close behind him, ready to put the chair underneath him if he chose to sit down. One unfortunate girl got the positioning wrong by a few min inches, and as the commodore sat down.

Chair.

Chair.

Slapstick comedy until you learn that like she was swiftly beaten.

Slapstick comedy until you learn that like she was swiftly beaten.

Yeah, she was put in scientology's prison. Yeah horse, Yeah, it's real. She was tortured.

Yeah, she was put in scientology's prison. Yeah horse, Yeah, it's real. She was tortured.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, well it's worth it if the work stands up to the test. That's why we have an Academy Award for cleanest set. That's very key to filmmak Wait is it really now? Yeah?

You know, well it's worth it if the work stands up to the test. That's why we have an Academy Award for cleanest set. That's very key to filmmak Wait is it really now? Yeah?

And all the specs is a Nobel Peace Prize material.

And all the specs is a Nobel Peace Prize material.

But I love that he's like, you know, directing a movie. You keep the set clean, you place the chairs correctly. You have a lot of blood movies now.

But I love that he's like, you know, directing a movie. You keep the set clean, you place the chairs correctly. You have a lot of blood movies now.

The numerous stories that Hubbard tried to film all had grand narratives, usually starting at the very beginning of galactic history. One film, The Problems of Life, was about a young couple who felt their existence lacked meaning. They asked for advice from a psychiatrist who was played as a violently insane person. The next asked help from a scientist who is also violently insane. Then they found a scientologist who was a perfect being of pure contentment. Cama Douglas, an artist and scientologist who spent time with Hubbard during this period, noted quote. The trouble was that he wanted to make movies that would take over Hollywood, but they were terrible, really terrible. The crew would have to do scenes over and over again before he was satisfied. Occasionally the day would end up with a fine well done everyone, but more often there were tantrums and he'd storm off the set screaming that it had better be right tomorrow, Hubbard.

The numerous stories that Hubbard tried to film all had grand narratives, usually starting at the very beginning of galactic history. One film, The Problems of Life, was about a young couple who felt their existence lacked meaning. They asked for advice from a psychiatrist who was played as a violently insane person. The next asked help from a scientist who is also violently insane. Then they found a scientologist who was a perfect being of pure contentment. Cama Douglas, an artist and scientologist who spent time with Hubbard during this period, noted quote. The trouble was that he wanted to make movies that would take over Hollywood, but they were terrible, really terrible. The crew would have to do scenes over and over again before he was satisfied. Occasionally the day would end up with a fine well done everyone, but more often there were tantrums and he'd storm off the set screaming that it had better be right tomorrow, Hubbard.

Fix it, fix it for more beatings for you all.

Fix it, fix it for more beatings for you all.

I've got to go have sex, surprising. It's better be a movie when I get back.

I've got to go have sex, surprising. It's better be a movie when I get back.

All the while, as all Ron Hubbard painstakingly acquired roughly the amount of expertise one would receive in the first semester of film school, he was raising money to make Revolt in the Stars a reality.

All the while, as all Ron Hubbard painstakingly acquired roughly the amount of expertise one would receive in the first semester of film school, he was raising money to make Revolt in the Stars a reality.

He succeeded in.

He succeeded in.

Putting together millions of dollars to make the film and funneled it through a production company called a Brilliant Film Company. Tragically, Hubbard was as bad at running a production company as he was at everything that wasn't infiltrating the federal government. A Brilliant Film Company went bankrupt, and Revolt in the Stars was never more than a few costumes in an unbelievably bad screenplay.

Putting together millions of dollars to make the film and funneled it through a production company called a Brilliant Film Company. Tragically, Hubbard was as bad at running a production company as he was at everything that wasn't infiltrating the federal government. A Brilliant Film Company went bankrupt, and Revolt in the Stars was never more than a few costumes in an unbelievably bad screenplay.

I'd still pay a lot to see those I would.

I'd still pay a lot to see those I would.

Costumes. Someone's got those costumes.

Costumes. Someone's got those costumes.

Someone's got They are like religious art, like article facts.

Someone's got They are like religious art, like article facts.

Now, right, there's a church of scientology where there's a case like you'd see a dark light. Yeah, like it's that thing we never made.

Now, right, there's a church of scientology where there's a case like you'd see a dark light. Yeah, like it's that thing we never made.

There's and they all still have the blood on him, and it's still unsure of whether or not it's the fake blood or the real blood from the beatings.

There's and they all still have the blood on him, and it's still unsure of whether or not it's the fake blood or the real blood from the beatings.

From and when they cut them out of the clothes, yeah.

From and when they cut them out of the clothes, yeah.

Ib them.

Ib them.

Yeah, you know, there were some scissors accidents that In late nineteen seventy eight, a few days after Mary Sue Hubbard and ten other top scientologists were indicted for their rampant crimes, I'll Run, Hubbard collapsed while filming a very stupid movie in one hundred and twenty degree heat. He recovered, but it had become abundantly clear to everyone that the ranch in southern California and the strenuous life of an autour film director were not suited for the ailing old man.

Yeah, you know, there were some scissors accidents that In late nineteen seventy eight, a few days after Mary Sue Hubbard and ten other top scientologists were indicted for their rampant crimes, I'll Run, Hubbard collapsed while filming a very stupid movie in one hundred and twenty degree heat. He recovered, but it had become abundantly clear to everyone that the ranch in southern California and the strenuous life of an autour film director were not suited for the ailing old man.

Now.

Now.

During this time, I'll Run, Hubbard continued to receive regular auditing sessions. His auditor was a fellow named Mayo, and Mayo grew increasingly unsettled about the revelations he received from the great profit of Scientology as he recovered from heatstroke. Quote from Mayo. He revealed things about himself in his past which absolutely contradicted what we'd been told about him. He wasn't taking any great risk because I was a loyal, entrusted subject and had a duty to keep such things confidential. It wasn't just what I discovered about his past. I didn't care where he was born or what he had done in the war. It didn't mean a thing to me. I wasn't a loyal Scientologist because he had an illustrious war record. What worried me is that when I saw things he did and heard statements he made that showed his intentions were different from what they appeared to be When I was with him. Messengers often arrived with suitcases full of money wadds of one hundred dollar bills, Yet he had always said and written that he never received a penny from Scientology, who had asked to see it. The messenger had opened the case, and he'd gloat over it for a bit before it was put away in a safe in his bedroom. He didn't really spend much. I guess it was getaway money. I didn't mind the idea of him having money or being rich. I thought he had done tremendous wonders and should be well paid for it. But why did he have to lie about it? I slowly began to realize that he wasn't acting for the public good or for the benefit of mankind. It might have started out like that, but it was no longer. So one day we were all talking about the price of gold or something like that, and he said to me, very emphatically that he was obsessed by an insatiable lust for money and power. I'll never forget it. Those were his exact words, an insatiable lust for money and power.

During this time, I'll Run, Hubbard continued to receive regular auditing sessions. His auditor was a fellow named Mayo, and Mayo grew increasingly unsettled about the revelations he received from the great profit of Scientology as he recovered from heatstroke. Quote from Mayo. He revealed things about himself in his past which absolutely contradicted what we'd been told about him. He wasn't taking any great risk because I was a loyal, entrusted subject and had a duty to keep such things confidential. It wasn't just what I discovered about his past. I didn't care where he was born or what he had done in the war. It didn't mean a thing to me. I wasn't a loyal Scientologist because he had an illustrious war record. What worried me is that when I saw things he did and heard statements he made that showed his intentions were different from what they appeared to be When I was with him. Messengers often arrived with suitcases full of money wadds of one hundred dollar bills, Yet he had always said and written that he never received a penny from Scientology, who had asked to see it. The messenger had opened the case, and he'd gloat over it for a bit before it was put away in a safe in his bedroom. He didn't really spend much. I guess it was getaway money. I didn't mind the idea of him having money or being rich. I thought he had done tremendous wonders and should be well paid for it. But why did he have to lie about it? I slowly began to realize that he wasn't acting for the public good or for the benefit of mankind. It might have started out like that, but it was no longer. So one day we were all talking about the price of gold or something like that, and he said to me, very emphatically that he was obsessed by an insatiable lust for money and power. I'll never forget it. Those were his exact words, an insatiable lust for money and power.

I love Jesus.

I love Jesus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Also, because if you're at that level where you're hit the boss's auditor, you must have already been exposed repeatedly to the fact that the purpose of auditing is not to keep it confidential. The purpose of auditing is to have dirt on people. I don't know how this guy didn't walk away with a portion of the gold, is what I'm getting.

Also, because if you're at that level where you're hit the boss's auditor, you must have already been exposed repeatedly to the fact that the purpose of auditing is not to keep it confidential. The purpose of auditing is to have dirt on people. I don't know how this guy didn't walk away with a portion of the gold, is what I'm getting.

Yeah, he may.

Yeah, he may.

Hey, guess what, Boss, I have a recording now, you idiot, you're dying the old idiot.

Hey, guess what, Boss, I have a recording now, you idiot, you're dying the old idiot.

I think the guy you put in that job. Is the guy you know is never going to betray you?

I think the guy you put in that job. Is the guy you know is never going to betray you?

Right?

Right?

Yeah, he didn't while Hubbard was alive. Eventually it seems like he came clear.

Yeah, he didn't while Hubbard was alive. Eventually it seems like he came clear.

I'm sure it was a process so all the pieces didn't align. But hearing this quote now, you're like, if you felt this way, then you could have walked away with a chunk of that gold, probably one of.

I'm sure it was a process so all the pieces didn't align. But hearing this quote now, you're like, if you felt this way, then you could have walked away with a chunk of that gold, probably one of.

Those suitcases of dirty hundred dollar bills.

Those suitcases of dirty hundred dollar bills.

Because if there's anything Hubbard's going to respond to, it's blackmail.

Because if there's anything Hubbard's going to respond to, it's blackmail.

Yeah. Yeah. After a couple months of convalescence, Hubbard was healthy enough to get back to directing movies. Naturally, he made his auditor an actor quote he walked around with an electric bullhorn, yelling orders through it, even if the person was only a few feet away. The crew were in a constant state of fear. He'd say he wanted a certain set built and describe it. Everyone would work in a frenzied state to get it done, often through the night, not stopping from meals and praying it would be right and that they would not get into trouble. When he arrived to begin shooting the he invariably decided he didn't like it. It had been altered. He wanted it blue, not green. Some of the crew would be sent to RPF Scientology prison and others would be sent running around trying to find some blue paint. Then he'd want to know why it was blue and not yellow.

Yeah. Yeah. After a couple months of convalescence, Hubbard was healthy enough to get back to directing movies. Naturally, he made his auditor an actor quote he walked around with an electric bullhorn, yelling orders through it, even if the person was only a few feet away. The crew were in a constant state of fear. He'd say he wanted a certain set built and describe it. Everyone would work in a frenzied state to get it done, often through the night, not stopping from meals and praying it would be right and that they would not get into trouble. When he arrived to begin shooting the he invariably decided he didn't like it. It had been altered. He wanted it blue, not green. Some of the crew would be sent to RPF Scientology prison and others would be sent running around trying to find some blue paint. Then he'd want to know why it was blue and not yellow.

Have you seen the Star Wars documentary, Yes, Empire Dreams where he can't pronounce his own gungans, gungans, gungans. George, you wrote this, Yeah, I like poetry rhymes.

Have you seen the Star Wars documentary, Yes, Empire Dreams where he can't pronounce his own gungans, gungans, gungans. George, you wrote this, Yeah, I like poetry rhymes.

There's a weird synergy in the fact. Did you hear about the plot? Lucas released details of the plot he was gonna do if he had done seven, eight and nine, and it involved tiny creatures that live in your blood called the Wills.

There's a weird synergy in the fact. Did you hear about the plot? Lucas released details of the plot he was gonna do if he had done seven, eight and nine, and it involved tiny creatures that live in your blood called the Wills.

He loves tiny creatures living in your books.

He loves tiny creatures living in your books.

It's THETNS.

It's THETNS.

Dude, you were like, they are the same Lucas Now that he is officially I guess traded Star Wars to quote white slavers.

Dude, you were like, they are the same Lucas Now that he is officially I guess traded Star Wars to quote white slavers.

Not totally inaccurate.

Not totally inaccurate.

It doesn't mean that one of them is on the right side.

It doesn't mean that one of them is on the right side.

Yeah, think for the good of everyone, he may as well buckle down and make a revolt among the stars. Oh, I think Lucas is the man to do it.

Yeah, think for the good of everyone, he may as well buckle down and make a revolt among the stars. Oh, I think Lucas is the man to do it.

He is, He's the only man to do it. He's the only man to finally make Revolt among the Stars reality. I'm holding Chekhov's Kleenox box and illustrate another point about filmmaking, which is that you should always throw Kleenex at the walls.