Fl media. Hey everybody, Robert here, and if you haven't heard recently, about a month ago, my dad took very ill, maybe more like two months ago now, and I wound up spending almost a solid month in Texas in the ICU with him every day and eventually hospice. The short answer to this is that he passed and I did not get him a lot of work done for a while. So we are taking another rewind week next week. It'll be new content again, new content for the foreseeable future after this, but we're taking one more week so that I can get back ahead on stuff. And I decided to run this series of three episodes that we did a couple of years back with Tom Ryman about some of the first right wing talk show grifter types, you know, the guys who really like set the stage for people like Tucker Carlson. And I wanted to do that because Tom, unfortunately is also dealing with a health scare for somebody close to him. His wife, Marina, who's also a wonderful person, a longtime friend of mine, has a high risk pregnancy and is going to be in the hospital for probably the foreseeable future until she has the kid. She got seven months in right now, so it's a sketchy situation for them unfortunately, and they are in need of some money to help cover their medical bills. So if you want to help out these two great people, and if you don't know Tom, check out Gamefully Unemployed. That's his podcast network. They do a lot of great TV show movie reviews. They have a great show about the X Files about how Crazy Fox Molder is where they go through every episode. It's one of my favorite things to listen to. But if you want to help them out, go to support Marina's High Risk pregnancy journey on go fund Me. You can just google go fund me, support Marina's High Risk Pregnancy Journey and donate there. So thank you all very much. We will be back with new stuff next week. But we've got three great rewinds for you this week. If you haven't listened to them before, you will enjoy them. If you have, why not listen to In What Desperately Horny My Saddam Hussein's Best Friend, I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards, the only podcast whose host owns two kittens named Saddam Hussein and Saddam Hussein's best friend and due to a severe veterinarian shortage in northern Oregon, still can't get them spaded and nuted for another nine days. And Saddam Hussein's best friend is in heat and desperately trying to fuck her brother.

Fl media. Hey everybody, Robert here, and if you haven't heard recently, about a month ago, my dad took very ill, maybe more like two months ago now, and I wound up spending almost a solid month in Texas in the ICU with him every day and eventually hospice. The short answer to this is that he passed and I did not get him a lot of work done for a while. So we are taking another rewind week next week. It'll be new content again, new content for the foreseeable future after this, but we're taking one more week so that I can get back ahead on stuff. And I decided to run this series of three episodes that we did a couple of years back with Tom Ryman about some of the first right wing talk show grifter types, you know, the guys who really like set the stage for people like Tucker Carlson. And I wanted to do that because Tom, unfortunately is also dealing with a health scare for somebody close to him. His wife, Marina, who's also a wonderful person, a longtime friend of mine, has a high risk pregnancy and is going to be in the hospital for probably the foreseeable future until she has the kid. She got seven months in right now, so it's a sketchy situation for them unfortunately, and they are in need of some money to help cover their medical bills. So if you want to help out these two great people, and if you don't know Tom, check out Gamefully Unemployed. That's his podcast network. They do a lot of great TV show movie reviews. They have a great show about the X Files about how Crazy Fox Molder is where they go through every episode. It's one of my favorite things to listen to. But if you want to help them out, go to support Marina's High Risk pregnancy journey on go fund Me. You can just google go fund me, support Marina's High Risk Pregnancy Journey and donate there. So thank you all very much. We will be back with new stuff next week. But we've got three great rewinds for you this week. If you haven't listened to them before, you will enjoy them. If you have, why not listen to In What Desperately Horny My Saddam Hussein's Best Friend, I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards, the only podcast whose host owns two kittens named Saddam Hussein and Saddam Hussein's best friend and due to a severe veterinarian shortage in northern Oregon, still can't get them spaded and nuted for another nine days. And Saddam Hussein's best friend is in heat and desperately trying to fuck her brother.

This has been an update for all.

This has been an update for all.

That didn't you have to like maybe she didn't disclose that information. Now you're she has been disclosing that she wants to fuck to literally every living creature that gets near her.

That didn't you have to like maybe she didn't disclose that information. Now you're she has been disclosing that she wants to fuck to literally every living creature that gets near her.

If she had a microphone, she'd be saying the same thing. She will not stop presenting, and she did not. It is it has been a problem. We are keeping them away because I do not want incest kittens. Although they may have been incestc there's no way to know in sittons.

If she had a microphone, she'd be saying the same thing. She will not stop presenting, and she did not. It is it has been a problem. We are keeping them away because I do not want incest kittens. Although they may have been incestc there's no way to know in sittons.

Yeah, like Robert, who is a lot of other voice on this podcast that people are here?

Yeah, like Robert, who is a lot of other voice on this podcast that people are here?

Oh well, the only person I would ever have on to talk about kitten incest my friend Tom Ryman.

Oh well, the only person I would ever have on to talk about kitten incest my friend Tom Ryman.

Hello, Hey, Hi.

Hello, Hey, Hi.

What's up. No, I'm glad you got me on to talk about these cats.

What's up. No, I'm glad you got me on to talk about these cats.

This is going to be a three hour episode about my cat's sex life. Tom, you are the co founder of Gamefully Unemployed, one of my favorite podcast networks hosts. One of my most listened to shows, Fox Molder is a Maniac, which is a beautiful breakdown of a Fox Molder and what a goddamn Lunatiki is.

This is going to be a three hour episode about my cat's sex life. Tom, you are the co founder of Gamefully Unemployed, one of my favorite podcast networks hosts. One of my most listened to shows, Fox Molder is a Maniac, which is a beautiful breakdown of a Fox Molder and what a goddamn Lunatiki is.

Yeah, Tom, it's really fascinating when you watch the show with that context.

Yeah, Tom, it's really fascinating when you watch the show with that context.

It changes the show. It truly does.

It changes the show. It truly does.

You guys do a lot of great stuff, great movie reviews, and oh thanks, role playing games. People can find you gamefully unemployed on Patreon. Tom, you also are what an editor at Collider? Forget what a senior editor of features a Collider? And you and I worked together for all of my twenties more or less at a little website called Cracked that pivoted to video and uh and went the way of the Dodo.

You guys do a lot of great stuff, great movie reviews, and oh thanks, role playing games. People can find you gamefully unemployed on Patreon. Tom, you also are what an editor at Collider? Forget what a senior editor of features a Collider? And you and I worked together for all of my twenties more or less at a little website called Cracked that pivoted to video and uh and went the way of the Dodo.

We got, we got, we got dragged to hell by Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. I didn't come across a beautiful tweet earlier today that you'll appreciate.

We got, we got, we got dragged to hell by Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. I didn't come across a beautiful tweet earlier today that you'll appreciate.

Tom.

Tom.

Oh good, Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. Great radio, great radio. Yeah, I look for something and Neil dash Horse broke its legs, so we had to take it out back and help it pivot to video.

Oh good, Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. Great radio, great radio. Yeah, I look for something and Neil dash Horse broke its legs, so we had to take it out back and help it pivot to video.

Oh Tom, how are you doing today?

Oh Tom, how are you doing today?

I'm doing okay, I'm doing pretty good. Thanks. Uh, you know, how about how about you? How about yourself?

I'm doing okay, I'm doing pretty good. Thanks. Uh, you know, how about how about you? How about yourself?

Well, Tom, I'm thinking about the fact that there is a vast, incredibly well financed right wing media operation that is seemingly dedicated to pushing a violent civil conflict that leads to a death toll that's truly astronomical in this nation.

Well, Tom, I'm thinking about the fact that there is a vast, incredibly well financed right wing media operation that is seemingly dedicated to pushing a violent civil conflict that leads to a death toll that's truly astronomical in this nation.

Do you think about that a lot?

Do you think about that a lot?

So good? Right, So you're doing good, doing great? Uh, yeah, no, I've tried to think about it less. But in the past few months. Just yeah, I was trying to take a break, but I'm getting plugged back into it.

So good? Right, So you're doing good, doing great? Uh, yeah, no, I've tried to think about it less. But in the past few months. Just yeah, I was trying to take a break, but I'm getting plugged back into it.

You sure are, And it's yeah, god, damn it.

You sure are, And it's yeah, god, damn it.

It's just it's just it doesn't seem like anything's gotten any better. It sure hasn't. It's fucking relentless. And there's this the election. We're like, oh, thank god, and then nope, that that didn't go away.

It's just it's just it doesn't seem like anything's gotten any better. It sure hasn't. It's fucking relentless. And there's this the election. We're like, oh, thank god, and then nope, that that didn't go away.

Yeah, no, it turns out that you can't. You can't vote these kind of problems away. And today we're going to talk about where some of these problems started. Specifically, we're going to talk about the men who made right wing media, and particularly like right wing talk media. So today you've got guys like Stephen Crowder, uh Be Shapiro obviously, Tucker Carlson being the big, the big Mamma Jammy. You had people like Rush Limball, like.

Yeah, no, it turns out that you can't. You can't vote these kind of problems away. And today we're going to talk about where some of these problems started. Specifically, we're going to talk about the men who made right wing media, and particularly like right wing talk media. So today you've got guys like Stephen Crowder, uh Be Shapiro obviously, Tucker Carlson being the big, the big Mamma Jammy. You had people like Rush Limball, like.

All of all three of those people, all four of those people you just name got picked dead last for Kickball for very different reasons. Yeah, they did, and they made it the entire world's problem.

All of all three of those people, all four of those people you just name got picked dead last for Kickball for very different reasons. Yeah, they did, and they made it the entire world's problem.

Yes, So all of these folks, you know, some of the all they all do slightly different variations of the same thing. And they're not all you know, Rush is the only one who's like really a talk radio host, but they all have you know, podcasts and YouTube. They all do the modern equivalent of talk radio and and of like, yeah, we're gonna talk about basically the the people who invented the media space that these guys all live in. Now, these are the very first right wing media personalities in a big way. So these are these are the people who prepared the soil for all of the different, you know, kind of quasi fascist grifters we have today. And they are they're not all bastards in the traditional sense. They're not all people who, on their own, if you didn't consider where everything went, would have qualified as bastards. They're all, I think, unpleasant people, But I think what's interesting is how they how they start off and kind of where they end, Like the kind of people who inhabit this space at the beginning and the kind of people who inhabit it now. So this is gonna be a fun episode time. You're gonna listen to a lot of clips that you're just really gonna dislike.

Yes, So all of these folks, you know, some of the all they all do slightly different variations of the same thing. And they're not all you know, Rush is the only one who's like really a talk radio host, but they all have you know, podcasts and YouTube. They all do the modern equivalent of talk radio and and of like, yeah, we're gonna talk about basically the the people who invented the media space that these guys all live in. Now, these are the very first right wing media personalities in a big way. So these are these are the people who prepared the soil for all of the different, you know, kind of quasi fascist grifters we have today. And they are they're not all bastards in the traditional sense. They're not all people who, on their own, if you didn't consider where everything went, would have qualified as bastards. They're all, I think, unpleasant people, But I think what's interesting is how they how they start off and kind of where they end, Like the kind of people who inhabit this space at the beginning and the kind of people who inhabit it now. So this is gonna be a fun episode time. You're gonna listen to a lot of clips that you're just really gonna dislike.

Oh good, ah, yeah, so excited, so pumped. Yeah, I'm gonna be so mad soon. Yeah wait, you really are so.

Oh good, ah, yeah, so excited, so pumped. Yeah, I'm gonna be so mad soon. Yeah wait, you really are so.

One of the things that inspired this was coming across the fact that Tucker Carlson very recently alleged that the purpose of vaccine requirements in the military was to quote identify the sincere Christians in the ranks, the freethinkers, the men with height, testosterone levels, and anybody else who doesn't love Joe Biden and make them leave immediately. Fuck is he talking about he's getting into high TI just usterns low. If you're getting facts, the soy boys, shit, not choking on your own rotting lungs is soy.

One of the things that inspired this was coming across the fact that Tucker Carlson very recently alleged that the purpose of vaccine requirements in the military was to quote identify the sincere Christians in the ranks, the freethinkers, the men with height, testosterone levels, and anybody else who doesn't love Joe Biden and make them leave immediately. Fuck is he talking about he's getting into high TI just usterns low. If you're getting facts, the soy boys, shit, not choking on your own rotting lungs is soy.

It's it's become I mean it was, it's always been the case, but like in the past year or two. Yeah, it's really become obvious that they just let him go on and say what happened?

It's it's become I mean it was, it's always been the case, but like in the past year or two. Yeah, it's really become obvious that they just let him go on and say what happened?

He just says it's things.

He just says it's things.

Yeah, And I'm starting with Tucker because he's he's just off the fucking rails completely. And this is the end root of the journey that we're going to trace the start of today. And the thing that Tucker has been saying that most concerns me is he started sharing Great Replacement style conspiracy theists which are alleging that Democrats plan to quote change the population of this country in order to maintain power. This is functionally the same argument Brenton Tarrant, the christ shooter, made in the manifesto he wrote before shooting fifty Muslim worshippers to death. His manifest was titled The Great Replacements. The same argument that the yeah, I'm trying, I'm trying. I'm trying to remember my behind the Bastards extended universe that all comes from the Turner Diaries, right, I.

Yeah, And I'm starting with Tucker because he's he's just off the fucking rails completely. And this is the end root of the journey that we're going to trace the start of today. And the thing that Tucker has been saying that most concerns me is he started sharing Great Replacement style conspiracy theists which are alleging that Democrats plan to quote change the population of this country in order to maintain power. This is functionally the same argument Brenton Tarrant, the christ shooter, made in the manifesto he wrote before shooting fifty Muslim worshippers to death. His manifest was titled The Great Replacements. The same argument that the yeah, I'm trying, I'm trying. I'm trying to remember my behind the Bastards extended universe that all comes from the Turner Diaries, right, I.

Mean doesn't come for the Turner Diaries was like a big definitely was pushing that. But this goes back a while for I mean, you could even draw a line to like the original Nazis and kind of some of the shit Hitler was saying about Airyan blood getting watered down from inner breeding in one for sure.

Mean doesn't come for the Turner Diaries was like a big definitely was pushing that. But this goes back a while for I mean, you could even draw a line to like the original Nazis and kind of some of the shit Hitler was saying about Airyan blood getting watered down from inner breeding in one for sure.

Yeah, yeah, it's a big, big white nationalist talking point.

Yeah, yeah, it's a big, big white nationalist talking point.

And the fact that this good went from great replacement went from like fringe Nazi murderer manifesto in twenty nineteen to Tucker Carlson talking to three million people on a major news network in twenty twenty one, shows like how fast things go now and how how dangerous this all is. And I think it's important to start the stakes because it doesn't begin that way. The guys who start this kind of right wing media space.

And the fact that this good went from great replacement went from like fringe Nazi murderer manifesto in twenty nineteen to Tucker Carlson talking to three million people on a major news network in twenty twenty one, shows like how fast things go now and how how dangerous this all is. And I think it's important to start the stakes because it doesn't begin that way. The guys who start this kind of right wing media space.

Are in.

Are in.

The first guy we're going to talk to is in a lot always kind of pleasant, at least compared to what came after. I don't think he's somebody would have gotten along with.

The first guy we're going to talk to is in a lot always kind of pleasant, at least compared to what came after. I don't think he's somebody would have gotten along with.

But it's don't it's weird. It's weird. We'll see how you think. Okay, Yeah, And where we discussed this is probably going to be.

But it's don't it's weird. It's weird. We'll see how you think. Okay, Yeah, And where we discussed this is probably going to be.

These episodes me a nice companion to our two parter on Rush Limbaugh with mister Paul F. Tompkins. So you know, if you're if you're looking for a good four episodes spree to go together listen to these two and then listen to those. Well you're a sweet having a very long shit or on a road trip. So first guy we're talking about tom is Joe Pine Pya in the Joe Pine was born in Chester, Pennsylvania on December twenty second, nineteen twenty four.

These episodes me a nice companion to our two parter on Rush Limbaugh with mister Paul F. Tompkins. So you know, if you're if you're looking for a good four episodes spree to go together listen to these two and then listen to those. Well you're a sweet having a very long shit or on a road trip. So first guy we're talking about tom is Joe Pine Pya in the Joe Pine was born in Chester, Pennsylvania on December twenty second, nineteen twenty four.

His dad's problem. It's December twenty second and nineteen twenty four. Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, the US. Yeah, get it, get it out of there. We don't need that state. It's like you look at that, You look at those those three pieces of information, like this is like a fifty to fifty shot. This guy's gonna be real piece of Pennsylvania in the twenties. Yeah, I December baby.

His dad's problem. It's December twenty second and nineteen twenty four. Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, the US. Yeah, get it, get it out of there. We don't need that state. It's like you look at that, You look at those those three pieces of information, like this is like a fifty to fifty shot. This guy's gonna be real piece of Pennsylvania in the twenties. Yeah, I December baby.

Fuck that.

Fuck that.

His dad was a brickmaker and his mom was a mom, which was pretty much the only job most women could expect to work at that point in time and place. When Joe was little, his family moved to Atlantic City, which is like Las Vegas, but less fun and much sadder because it's on the East coast. Here's a good Bruce Springsteen song about that. He had a difficult childhood. Joe had a pronounced stutter, and kids back then were even shitty about such things than they are today. He was bullied relentlessly. When Joe was eleven, he lost his younger brother to an auto accident, which was not uncommon in those days because cars didn't crumple and seat belts were but a fever dream in Ralph Nader's eye. By the time Joe was a teenager, his family left Atlantic City, which is always a good decision, and moved back to Chester, which is a more questionable decision. It's all they knew. It's all they knew.

His dad was a brickmaker and his mom was a mom, which was pretty much the only job most women could expect to work at that point in time and place. When Joe was little, his family moved to Atlantic City, which is like Las Vegas, but less fun and much sadder because it's on the East coast. Here's a good Bruce Springsteen song about that. He had a difficult childhood. Joe had a pronounced stutter, and kids back then were even shitty about such things than they are today. He was bullied relentlessly. When Joe was eleven, he lost his younger brother to an auto accident, which was not uncommon in those days because cars didn't crumple and seat belts were but a fever dream in Ralph Nader's eye. By the time Joe was a teenager, his family left Atlantic City, which is always a good decision, and moved back to Chester, which is a more questionable decision. It's all they knew. It's all they knew.

We're going to pile the family into our giant, unstoppable seat beltless car and drive back to Chester.

We're going to pile the family into our giant, unstoppable seat beltless car and drive back to Chester.

He went to high school, and he joined the Marines in nineteen forty two, which was a popular decision at the time. He joined as early as he possibly Yeah.

He went to high school, and he joined the Marines in nineteen forty two, which was a popular decision at the time. He joined as early as he possibly Yeah.

Yeah, for whatever reason, a lot of guys in the military in nineteen forty two must have been good ads.

Yeah, for whatever reason, a lot of guys in the military in nineteen forty two must have been good ads.

Something's about to happen.

Something's about to happen.

He joined as the early, like the first day he possibly could, and obviously the US had decided to enter World War Two at this point. He was deployed against the Empire of Japan, and he fought in some of the war's worst battles across the South Pacific. Joe survived the Battle of Okinawa, which is one of the like, like, one of the worst fights you could possibly have been in that war, real bad battle Okinawa. During that battle, a Japanese plane bombed the forward base he was stationed on, seriously injuring his knee. He returned home scarred and seasoned by heavy combat. Joe had won three Bronze Stars for valor in battle and a purple Heart. So he definitely saw some shit. This is not one of like the draft dodgy right wing.

He joined as the early, like the first day he possibly could, and obviously the US had decided to enter World War Two at this point. He was deployed against the Empire of Japan, and he fought in some of the war's worst battles across the South Pacific. Joe survived the Battle of Okinawa, which is one of the like, like, one of the worst fights you could possibly have been in that war, real bad battle Okinawa. During that battle, a Japanese plane bombed the forward base he was stationed on, seriously injuring his knee. He returned home scarred and seasoned by heavy combat. Joe had won three Bronze Stars for valor in battle and a purple Heart. So he definitely saw some shit. This is not one of like the draft dodgy right wing.

Guys, right Ben Shapiro writing war fan fiction, like he win a war and got bombs dropped on his leg.

Guys, right Ben Shapiro writing war fan fiction, like he win a war and got bombs dropped on his leg.

Yeah, he saw some of the worst shit you could have seen in that particular conflict. So he returns home real fucked up, probably with a head full of PTSD, But they didn't know PTSD was that they. I'm assuming he just drank washed it down with cigarettes.

Yeah, he saw some of the worst shit you could have seen in that particular conflict. So he returns home real fucked up, probably with a head full of PTSD, But they didn't know PTSD was that they. I'm assuming he just drank washed it down with cigarettes.

Real headful of horny cats.

Real headful of horny cats.

Yeah, when he got home, he didn't know precisely what he wanted to do with his life, but he was certain that it involved putting himself in front of people and entertaining them. In order to do that, he felt he would need to deal with his speech impediment first using his.

Yeah, when he got home, he didn't know precisely what he wanted to do with his life, but he was certain that it involved putting himself in front of people and entertaining them. In order to do that, he felt he would need to deal with his speech impediment first using his.

What led him to that decision. I don't know.

What led him to that decision. I don't know.

I relentlessly bullied, went to war, got bombed, his dead brother comes back. He's like, I'm going to be an entertainer.

I relentlessly bullied, went to war, got bombed, his dead brother comes back. He's like, I'm going to be an entertainer.

I'm going to be an entertainer. I'm gonna be a.

I'm going to be an entertainer. I'm gonna be a.

Where does that impulse come from?

Where does that impulse come from?

Yeah, we just don't know enough about his early life to know, like what the fuck was going on. Maybe he just wanted to show people my speech impediment doesn't to find me. I don't know. Sure I beat the Japanese I can beat stuttering. So, using his GI bill, Joe enrolled in a drama school. He forced himself through agonizing hours of live performances in front of his classmates to overcome his stutter. He locked himself away in his room and would perform hours and hours of speech drills every day, and eventually he did overcome his speech impediment. Once he graduated, Joe became a taxi driver in Chester. He continued to work on his speech while he was driving people around. Eventually, he decided he'd come far enough and he started a career as a broadcaster.

Yeah, we just don't know enough about his early life to know, like what the fuck was going on. Maybe he just wanted to show people my speech impediment doesn't to find me. I don't know. Sure I beat the Japanese I can beat stuttering. So, using his GI bill, Joe enrolled in a drama school. He forced himself through agonizing hours of live performances in front of his classmates to overcome his stutter. He locked himself away in his room and would perform hours and hours of speech drills every day, and eventually he did overcome his speech impediment. Once he graduated, Joe became a taxi driver in Chester. He continued to work on his speech while he was driving people around. Eventually, he decided he'd come far enough and he started a career as a broadcaster.

By this way the Way, the way you phrased that made it sound like he was doing like his speeches to his passengers, I think.

By this way the Way, the way you phrased that made it sound like he was doing like his speeches to his passengers, I think.

None, give me some notes. I got a tight five. I'm gonna run it by you. There's no seatbelt better last.

None, give me some notes. I got a tight five. I'm gonna run it by you. There's no seatbelt better last.

You are really dependent upon me.

You are really dependent upon me.

So he does this, and yeah, he decides he's finished by like late nineteen forty six, now again nineteen forties. Radio is king. TV's coming around, but that's still not the number one way people get entertained. You're really radio is the top of the top of the world, and they assume it will be forever. He was able to convince a station manager in Lumberton, North Carolina, to give him a job on WTSB. The pay was twenty five dollars a week, which was not good money even back then, and he failed to stand out enough that he felt he had any hope of advancement. So after a year he returned home dejected, but Joe kept pushing until he got another job at WPWA in Brookhaven, Pennsylvania. He got into a vicious argument with his boss while still new on the job and was quickly fired. Next he moved to wilm of Wilmington, Delaware, where he was also quickly fired. Yet you get the feeling he was not easy to work with at this point. Thankfully email didn't exist, so these people couldn't tell each other about Joe. He moved back to Chester after this, and then the Kenosha next where he got a job with a new network called w I l P. His job in all of these places was very straightforward, introduce and play records with a minimum of fanfare. He was not being hired to be a personality. He was just put the music on. Yeah, that was a big part of it. He would riff a lot. He got in trouble in Kenosha, and I think he'd gotten in trouble before. He would riff on politics and current events, which was not what you were supposed to do at the time. So his bosses are like nobody, Nobody. People are tuning in to hear I don't know what the big music is that the big bopper.

So he does this, and yeah, he decides he's finished by like late nineteen forty six, now again nineteen forties. Radio is king. TV's coming around, but that's still not the number one way people get entertained. You're really radio is the top of the top of the world, and they assume it will be forever. He was able to convince a station manager in Lumberton, North Carolina, to give him a job on WTSB. The pay was twenty five dollars a week, which was not good money even back then, and he failed to stand out enough that he felt he had any hope of advancement. So after a year he returned home dejected, but Joe kept pushing until he got another job at WPWA in Brookhaven, Pennsylvania. He got into a vicious argument with his boss while still new on the job and was quickly fired. Next he moved to wilm of Wilmington, Delaware, where he was also quickly fired. Yet you get the feeling he was not easy to work with at this point. Thankfully email didn't exist, so these people couldn't tell each other about Joe. He moved back to Chester after this, and then the Kenosha next where he got a job with a new network called w I l P. His job in all of these places was very straightforward, introduce and play records with a minimum of fanfare. He was not being hired to be a personality. He was just put the music on. Yeah, that was a big part of it. He would riff a lot. He got in trouble in Kenosha, and I think he'd gotten in trouble before. He would riff on politics and current events, which was not what you were supposed to do at the time. So his bosses are like nobody, Nobody. People are tuning in to hear I don't know what the big music is that the big bopper.

Nobody wants you.

Nobody wants you.

Nobody gives a shit about what you have to say to Yeah, put on Shan Telly lace and shut your fucking mouth. Smoke a cigarette.

Nobody gives a shit about what you have to say to Yeah, put on Shan Telly lace and shut your fucking mouth. Smoke a cigarette.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The kind of riffing that he thought was the future of radio was simply not done at the time, commenters were part of the news department and jockeys were not. Disc Jockeys were there to entertain, and he'd been hired as a disc jockey. So if you were going to be a commentator, if you were talking about the news, you didn't like give your opinion. You tried to just kind of like read, you know, like the ap wire. Basically, WLP, though took call ins. Listeners could dial in and request songs, but Joe started insisting on asking his listeners what they thought about the political issues of the day, which was the first time anyone had ever really done that on radio, like take callins, and he kind of forced the issue of making them political. One WLP employee at the time recalled he wanted to chat with them, but in those days there was no way to put a phone line on the air. Joe would say uh huh and hmm and then tell the call the listeners what the callers said. So this is like this is a very first talk radio. He's just on the phone with them, be like mmmm, all right, so here's what he said.

The kind of riffing that he thought was the future of radio was simply not done at the time, commenters were part of the news department and jockeys were not. Disc Jockeys were there to entertain, and he'd been hired as a disc jockey. So if you were going to be a commentator, if you were talking about the news, you didn't like give your opinion. You tried to just kind of like read, you know, like the ap wire. Basically, WLP, though took call ins. Listeners could dial in and request songs, but Joe started insisting on asking his listeners what they thought about the political issues of the day, which was the first time anyone had ever really done that on radio, like take callins, and he kind of forced the issue of making them political. One WLP employee at the time recalled he wanted to chat with them, but in those days there was no way to put a phone line on the air. Joe would say uh huh and hmm and then tell the call the listeners what the callers said. So this is like this is a very first talk radio. He's just on the phone with them, be like mmmm, all right, so here's what he said.

Let me tell you what Dennis from Yeah and you're like listening to almost dead air while he's listening to the versus on the phone.

Let me tell you what Dennis from Yeah and you're like listening to almost dead air while he's listening to the versus on the phone.

But this is literally the birth of talk radio. This is the first time anybody does this Joe Pine, and he moves along eventually, and I'm going to explain that process. I'm going to read a quote from a write up in Smithsonian Magazine. One caller objected to the young DJ's pro union opinions. Do you know anything, sir, about the history of labor management relations, Pine asked the man. After a moment of dead air, he continued, no, you keep your voice down. Pine was an expert interrupter, but this caller barely paused for breath listening. Pine had an idea. According to Ragani, who worked there, he held the phone receiver to his microphone. Now the caller was life on the air and call in radio was born. So that's nineteen forty nine in Kenosha, Joe Pine invins call in radio by literally holding a phone up to the mic.

But this is literally the birth of talk radio. This is the first time anybody does this Joe Pine, and he moves along eventually, and I'm going to explain that process. I'm going to read a quote from a write up in Smithsonian Magazine. One caller objected to the young DJ's pro union opinions. Do you know anything, sir, about the history of labor management relations, Pine asked the man. After a moment of dead air, he continued, no, you keep your voice down. Pine was an expert interrupter, but this caller barely paused for breath listening. Pine had an idea. According to Ragani, who worked there, he held the phone receiver to his microphone. Now the caller was life on the air and call in radio was born. So that's nineteen forty nine in Kenosha, Joe Pine invins call in radio by literally holding a phone up to the mic.

In fairness, some random dude calling in to request Frankie Valley who had very strong opinions about labor unions. This who actually created call radio.

In fairness, some random dude calling in to request Frankie Valley who had very strong opinions about labor unions. This who actually created call radio.

This guy's such an asshole, I gotta put him on.

This guy's such an asshole, I gotta put him on.

He was so pissed about it. That's a fair point. You got to hear, what a piece of shit this guy is. Let me invent a new discipline that will later ratchet the country towards violence. Yeah, he was born in stupid anger and it will kill us all with stupid anger to stupid anger, it will return.

He was so pissed about it. That's a fair point. You got to hear, what a piece of shit this guy is. Let me invent a new discipline that will later ratchet the country towards violence. Yeah, he was born in stupid anger and it will kill us all with stupid anger to stupid anger, it will return.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Perfect, What a beautiful way for that to get started. Honestly. Yeah, And I love because this guy gives birth to right wing radio. But he the start of talk radio is him trying to defend like the right to unionize, which is I was I was not expecting that to be the issue when you said it. I was like, really that you could be pretty conservative and pro union in those because it wasn't. It was more racist back then, obviously everything was, but politics in some ways was less dumb.

Perfect, What a beautiful way for that to get started. Honestly. Yeah, And I love because this guy gives birth to right wing radio. But he the start of talk radio is him trying to defend like the right to unionize, which is I was I was not expecting that to be the issue when you said it. I was like, really that you could be pretty conservative and pro union in those because it wasn't. It was more racist back then, obviously everything was, but politics in some ways was less dumb.

It wasn't.

It wasn't.

It hadn't gotten to the point where it is with like the right wing left wing conservatism is such a part of my like identity that like I have this vested interest in like demonizing anything, like you did have a lot of u. I mean, like one of the union strongholds in the US for a long time was West fucking Virginia. You know, like people like fought to the death for unions at West Virginia with rifles and now it's Joe Mansion Country, So well sorry West Virginia. But like, yeah, the things were different than poetically, is what I'm saying. And yeah, so Joe was fired. I think this kind of is part of what got him fired because his boss at the station was like, you're supposed to be playing songs, Joe, what the fuck are you doing holding the phone out to the goddamn microphone.

It hadn't gotten to the point where it is with like the right wing left wing conservatism is such a part of my like identity that like I have this vested interest in like demonizing anything, like you did have a lot of u. I mean, like one of the union strongholds in the US for a long time was West fucking Virginia. You know, like people like fought to the death for unions at West Virginia with rifles and now it's Joe Mansion Country, So well sorry West Virginia. But like, yeah, the things were different than poetically, is what I'm saying. And yeah, so Joe was fired. I think this kind of is part of what got him fired because his boss at the station was like, you're supposed to be playing songs, Joe, what the fuck are you doing holding the phone out to the goddamn microphone.

Put on the goddamn wreck, Put on the fucking twist. Yeah, do you want to get a Rush Limbaugh, Because that's how you get a Limbaugh. This is how we get a Limba. Put the phone down, Put on the goddamn music. I don't want to listen to Stephen Crowder's heart surgery problems in twenty five years or forty five years, how many years, one hundred years, sixty years, whatever, too many years, Tom, five hundred years, yeah, years ago. Nobody from even alive anymore.

Put on the goddamn wreck, Put on the fucking twist. Yeah, do you want to get a Rush Limbaugh, Because that's how you get a Limbaugh. This is how we get a Limba. Put the phone down, Put on the goddamn music. I don't want to listen to Stephen Crowder's heart surgery problems in twenty five years or forty five years, how many years, one hundred years, sixty years, whatever, too many years, Tom, five hundred years, yeah, years ago. Nobody from even alive anymore.

No, no, God, thank God.

No, no, God, thank God.

So, despite Yeah, inventing call in radio, Joe's boss did not appreciate him.

So, despite Yeah, inventing call in radio, Joe's boss did not appreciate him.

He wanted someone to read ads and introduce songs. The two fought constantly at one point, Joe demanded a raise, which led to a fight. Another w l i P host later recalled stumbling in on the melee Joe was yelling. She recalled, he had one hand on our boss's lapel. He picked up a typewriter and threw it against the wall.

He wanted someone to read ads and introduce songs. The two fought constantly at one point, Joe demanded a raise, which led to a fight. Another w l i P host later recalled stumbling in on the melee Joe was yelling. She recalled, he had one hand on our boss's lapel. He picked up a typewriter and threw it against the wall.

Oh fuck, So that gives you a little bit of an idea of like why this guy keeps having problems with his coworkers. Yeah, he almost said that was danger. He almost scored some points of me there though, because you were like, he picked up a type roun.

Oh fuck, So that gives you a little bit of an idea of like why this guy keeps having problems with his coworkers. Yeah, he almost said that was danger. He almost scored some points of me there though, because you were like, he picked up a type roun.

I'm like, here we go, here we go against the wall, hit him in the face.

I'm like, here we go, here we go against the wall, hit him in the face.

All right, Well, fair compromise, all right again, So he gets fired again, and he continues to move around frequently, you know, while he's going from radio station to radio station.

All right, Well, fair compromise, all right again, So he gets fired again, and he continues to move around frequently, you know, while he's going from radio station to radio station.

He marries a beauty queen. He divorces here a year later because she gets sick of him. While he's working at WYLM, he starts a show called It's Your Nickel, so named because the nickel was the standard cost for a call on a payphone and this was the first, yeah, proper radio talk show, It's your Nickel. So he does get a job doing the thing that he invented, and that's that became a phrase like it's your dime or it's your nickel, or it's your dollar.

He marries a beauty queen. He divorces here a year later because she gets sick of him. While he's working at WYLM, he starts a show called It's Your Nickel, so named because the nickel was the standard cost for a call on a payphone and this was the first, yeah, proper radio talk show, It's your Nickel. So he does get a job doing the thing that he invented, and that's that became a phrase like it's your dime or it's your nickel, or it's your dollar.

It's like exactly.

It's like exactly.

Yeah, And I don't know if that's the He may have just been using that phrase because it was already like what people said.

Yeah, And I don't know if that's the He may have just been using that phrase because it was already like what people said.

But yeah, I mean he may have invented it. I have not done that research. Tom someone at home.

But yeah, I mean he may have invented it. I have not done that research. Tom someone at home.

Well, yeah, something something that sticks out to me about old Joe Pine is that he has trouble forming a lasting relationships.

Well, yeah, something something that sticks out to me about old Joe Pine is that he has trouble forming a lasting relationships.

Yeah. I was from job the job.

Yeah. I was from job the job.

Mary's a woman divorces her late like he seems like he might be impossible to be around.

Mary's a woman divorces her late like he seems like he might be impossible to be around.

It does, and it also, again, this is one of those black box of history things. I do kind of wonder how much of this is a PTSD, because that can make it real hard to get along with people and hard to regulate your emotions and more likely to throw a typewriter.

It does, and it also, again, this is one of those black box of history things. I do kind of wonder how much of this is a PTSD, because that can make it real hard to get along with people and hard to regulate your emotions and more likely to throw a typewriter.

He did get bombed in one of the most notorious battles of World War two, so yeah, yeah.

He did get bombed in one of the most notorious battles of World War two, so yeah, yeah.

Who knows.

Who knows.

It's one of those things.

It's one of those things.

It's like lead exposure, which I'm sure Joe Pine was also exposed to a tremendous amount of lead like you wonder how much of an impact did this have on like the way people were back then.

It's like lead exposure, which I'm sure Joe Pine was also exposed to a tremendous amount of lead like you wonder how much of an impact did this have on like the way people were back then.

You wonder how many people were just walking around poisoned and crazy like seventy years ago, just because that's the way it was.

You wonder how many people were just walking around poisoned and crazy like seventy years ago, just because that's the way it was.

Yeah, I mean there's a lot of like pretty strong evidence that at least the lead exposure may have been part of why there was so much more violence back you know, even just like twenty something years ago, because everybody was inhaling lead and eating lead off the walls. And I do want some delicious lead, Tom. Yeah, there's nothing that goes with like a nice bree. Like you get a lead chip and you just dip it in a bree. That's a good Yeah, nice meat mix, a sweet and savory.

Yeah, I mean there's a lot of like pretty strong evidence that at least the lead exposure may have been part of why there was so much more violence back you know, even just like twenty something years ago, because everybody was inhaling lead and eating lead off the walls. And I do want some delicious lead, Tom. Yeah, there's nothing that goes with like a nice bree. Like you get a lead chip and you just dip it in a bree. That's a good Yeah, nice meat mix, a sweet and savory.

It's like a lead flight.

It's like a lead flight.

Yeah, like a lead flight, Like a flight of lead. I'm gonna start a leadstirant.

Yeah, like a lead flight, Like a flight of lead. I'm gonna start a leadstirant.

I think you should. Yeah, lead in every food. Yeah, the lead bar, get the lead out. We'll call it a lead chicken in every pot. Now, Tom, you know who else will expose you to tremendous amounts of lead? M the X Men Colossus. That that is probably accurate. I don't know as much about x Men as you but but the products and services that support this podcast certainly.

I think you should. Yeah, lead in every food. Yeah, the lead bar, get the lead out. We'll call it a lead chicken in every pot. Now, Tom, you know who else will expose you to tremendous amounts of lead? M the X Men Colossus. That that is probably accurate. I don't know as much about x Men as you but but the products and services that support this podcast certainly.

Will expose you to lead. That is the only guarantee we make about our sponsors, every one of them filled with lead.

Will expose you to lead. That is the only guarantee we make about our sponsors, every one of them filled with lead.

Yep, it's a powerful guarantee.

Yep, it's a powerful guarantee.

We're back.

We're back.

And I wanted to start this by letting my letting my audience know that that our guest today, Tom Ryman, has a bit of a superpower, which is and everyone who knows you knows this, Tom, which is that.

And I wanted to start this by letting my letting my audience know that that our guest today, Tom Ryman, has a bit of a superpower, which is and everyone who knows you knows this, Tom, which is that.

When you when you whenever you mention a movie and you will talk about, like you know that guy who was in the background and that in that scene in American Beauty, and you'll be like, oh, yeah, it's such and such, and this is the other films they were in.

When you when you whenever you mention a movie and you will talk about, like you know that guy who was in the background and that in that scene in American Beauty, and you'll be like, oh, yeah, it's such and such, and this is the other films they were in.

Know anybody who can do that the way that you.

Know anybody who can do that the way that you.

Can, it's.

Can, it's.

You.

You.

Yeah, I thought you were going to tell everybody about my optic blasts. So I'm glad.

Yeah, I thought you were going to tell everybody about my optic blasts. So I'm glad.

No, I'm glad I didn't secret keeping that a secret for when I rob a bank.

No, I'm glad I didn't secret keeping that a secret for when I rob a bank.

No, I've been.

No, I've been.

I've been. I don't know. I just I do that like I keep it encyclopedic record of dates and like people in movies and stuff. I don't know, it's it's uh, I'm probably somewhere on the spectrum. But it's just a thing I do. I don't know.

I've been. I don't know. I just I do that like I keep it encyclopedic record of dates and like people in movies and stuff. I don't know, it's it's uh, I'm probably somewhere on the spectrum. But it's just a thing I do. I don't know.

It's almost a super like it is kind of a superpower, like it's it's really it's really fun. And it made like when we when we were all I mean, I lived together with like half of the people we worked with at Cracked, and you were always over and just the movie conversations with you and Dave were always a tremendous amount of fun.

It's almost a super like it is kind of a superpower, like it's it's really it's really fun. And it made like when we when we were all I mean, I lived together with like half of the people we worked with at Cracked, and you were always over and just the movie conversations with you and Dave were always a tremendous amount of fun.

I listened to your podcasts. Oh thanks, we lived in your room, remember, Oh yeah, you did in the mountains, lived in your room. I was I was doing redacted things in the mountains and and mostly not home at that point in time, I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, yeah, Oh the days of our lives like sand through the hourglass, tom So, like lead through the hour glass, like lead through the hour glass. So Joe Pine gets his first proper radio talk show, It's Your Nickel on w I l M. And again he's out of there, he's in there. I think this is like his second time working for them, And this article from the broadcaster's desktop resource makes it clear what kind of show Joe ran. The very first radio talk show quote in his nightly introduction, he said, the mic is open. My name's Joe Pine. I guess you know yours the program. This program is dedicated to the free exchange of ideas and to differences of opinion. I don't propose to have all the answers, but I do promise to talk about the things that interest you.

I listened to your podcasts. Oh thanks, we lived in your room, remember, Oh yeah, you did in the mountains, lived in your room. I was I was doing redacted things in the mountains and and mostly not home at that point in time, I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, yeah, Oh the days of our lives like sand through the hourglass, tom So, like lead through the hour glass, like lead through the hour glass. So Joe Pine gets his first proper radio talk show, It's Your Nickel on w I l M. And again he's out of there, he's in there. I think this is like his second time working for them, And this article from the broadcaster's desktop resource makes it clear what kind of show Joe ran. The very first radio talk show quote in his nightly introduction, he said, the mic is open. My name's Joe Pine. I guess you know yours the program. This program is dedicated to the free exchange of ideas and to differences of opinion. I don't propose to have all the answers, but I do promise to talk about the things that interest you.

So that's a nice little.

So that's a nice little.

There's that free exchange of ideas craz He did, I think.

There's that free exchange of ideas craz He did, I think.

Kind of mean it as opposed to the people who say it today. I think they're aping him. But I'll play you some clips from his he did. He was, yeah, it's interesting now. The show did often become a shout fest, with Pine definitely in control. No topic was sacred, from sex to religion to politics, but when he felt a listener had gone on for too long and was making no sense, he would make a rude remark, like you're sick and hang up on the post person.

Kind of mean it as opposed to the people who say it today. I think they're aping him. But I'll play you some clips from his he did. He was, yeah, it's interesting now. The show did often become a shout fest, with Pine definitely in control. No topic was sacred, from sex to religion to politics, but when he felt a listener had gone on for too long and was making no sense, he would make a rude remark, like you're sick and hang up on the post person.

Enduring.

Enduring.

Pine's abusive records the challenge to the audience, many of whom tried to debate him before he hung up on them. His views tended to be quite conservative most of the time, and Pine seemed to dare his listeners to disagree with him. His style of arguing included using very derogatory terms. Known for being adept with words, his arsenal of insults and put downs became the stuff of legends. Among his best known were if your brains were dynamite, you couldn't blow your nose. There was also go gargle with razor blades and take your teeth out, put him in backwards, and bite your throat Jesus Christ. At least the man's creative. That third one's pretty nice. Yeah, that's good. I'd heard the other two. I'm like, yeah, those are old standards. And this turn your teeth around him like ooh yeah. So when this is in nineteen fifty one two, while he's in the middle of changing Radio Forever, his old war injury flares up badly enough that surgeons have to amputate his left leg from the mid downhit. So he's back in the studio with a prosthetic limb soon after, and while the fake leg was obvious to everyone who saw him, he never meant it.

Pine's abusive records the challenge to the audience, many of whom tried to debate him before he hung up on them. His views tended to be quite conservative most of the time, and Pine seemed to dare his listeners to disagree with him. His style of arguing included using very derogatory terms. Known for being adept with words, his arsenal of insults and put downs became the stuff of legends. Among his best known were if your brains were dynamite, you couldn't blow your nose. There was also go gargle with razor blades and take your teeth out, put him in backwards, and bite your throat Jesus Christ. At least the man's creative. That third one's pretty nice. Yeah, that's good. I'd heard the other two. I'm like, yeah, those are old standards. And this turn your teeth around him like ooh yeah. So when this is in nineteen fifty one two, while he's in the middle of changing Radio Forever, his old war injury flares up badly enough that surgeons have to amputate his left leg from the mid downhit. So he's back in the studio with a prosthetic limb soon after, and while the fake leg was obvious to everyone who saw him, he never meant it.

Did get mentioned on air. We'll talk about that.

Did get mentioned on air. We'll talk about that.

In a bit, but he refused to mention it on air. Judging by his pro union views, Joe is at least at one point at least more of a moderate than he became. But the longer he's on doing talk radio, he pulls further and further to the right. In nineteen fifty three, he celebrated on air when the US electrocuted Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, saying, we finally incinerated those comies. I hope it was slow and painful.

In a bit, but he refused to mention it on air. Judging by his pro union views, Joe is at least at one point at least more of a moderate than he became. But the longer he's on doing talk radio, he pulls further and further to the right. In nineteen fifty three, he celebrated on air when the US electrocuted Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, saying, we finally incinerated those comies. I hope it was slow and painful.

Good.

Good.

Uh, that's interesting that.

Uh, that's interesting that.

The longer I mean, I'm sure you're going to make this connection, But the longer he's on the air, the more conservative he pulls.

The longer I mean, I'm sure you're going to make this connection, But the longer he's on the air, the more conservative he pulls.

That.

That.

I wonder could that be because having bad faith arguments to generate we call them rage clicks now, but it's just to stoke controversy by needling people and by playing the devil's advocate just to get people heeded, and arguing to fuel the ratings for his own show.

I wonder could that be because having bad faith arguments to generate we call them rage clicks now, but it's just to stoke controversy by needling people and by playing the devil's advocate just to get people heeded, and arguing to fuel the ratings for his own show.

Yeah, I really don't know. I'm sure that was an element of it, because clearly he's going after controversy, he's going after rage kicks. But also we'll talk about it. He was not always the guy you would expect. That's yeah, So we're building that. So Joe had a keen understanding of how to communicate with the lowest common denominator in US politics. He told reporters, quite without shame, that radio was geared towards the mentality of thirteen year old kids, and that most Americans were politically apathetic and easy to persuade of just about anything. He claimed that he used shocking language and would make extreme allegations in order to get people to think. He told the La Times that while his critics called him a hate monger, all he really did was encourage stimulating dialogue. You see, he knows what he's doing. I think that's a big part of like why he gets more right wing in his because it's easier to kind of, like again, speak to the mentality of thirteen year old kids. If you're just like making these kind of reactionary arguments.

Yeah, I really don't know. I'm sure that was an element of it, because clearly he's going after controversy, he's going after rage kicks. But also we'll talk about it. He was not always the guy you would expect. That's yeah, So we're building that. So Joe had a keen understanding of how to communicate with the lowest common denominator in US politics. He told reporters, quite without shame, that radio was geared towards the mentality of thirteen year old kids, and that most Americans were politically apathetic and easy to persuade of just about anything. He claimed that he used shocking language and would make extreme allegations in order to get people to think. He told the La Times that while his critics called him a hate monger, all he really did was encourage stimulating dialogue. You see, he knows what he's doing. I think that's a big part of like why he gets more right wing in his because it's easier to kind of, like again, speak to the mentality of thirteen year old kids. If you're just like making these kind of reactionary arguments.

He wants to piss people off so that they react and he gets a show out of it.

He wants to piss people off so that they react and he gets a show out of it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a part of it. That's not all of it, because he is When there were times when he would be challenged, it kind of depended on how it was. If he found someone interesting, even if they were coming in from a very different perspective, he would let them talk and sometimes very respectfully so he was not, well, he's the start and he's doing a lot of unpleasant stuff. He's also not He's unequivocally a better person than Ben Shapiro, is what I'm saying, right, Like, his goal in any given conversation wasn't just to own them. He would actually listen to people sometimes who were bringing up some pretty radical stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a part of it. That's not all of it, because he is When there were times when he would be challenged, it kind of depended on how it was. If he found someone interesting, even if they were coming in from a very different perspective, he would let them talk and sometimes very respectfully so he was not, well, he's the start and he's doing a lot of unpleasant stuff. He's also not He's unequivocally a better person than Ben Shapiro, is what I'm saying, right, Like, his goal in any given conversation wasn't just to own them. He would actually listen to people sometimes who were bringing up some pretty radical stuff.

We'll get to that.

We'll get to that.

Nineteen fifty seven, a little over after a little over six years on air, Joe left Wylm. This time it was his own choice. He was famoused at least locally, and his salary was forty two thousand dollars a year, which is almost ten times the average salary for a it's about four hundred grand a year, and like modern dollars like, he was making real good money. This time, Joe left because his dreams had overgrown a very comfortable working condition. He traveled to Riverside, California, and he got a job at a local radio station that quickly led to a TV job at KTLA in Los Angeles. He would later claim that his first TV show, which was essentially a filmed version of It's Your Nickel, had been a huge success, but the show lasted less than a year and I found no clips of it anywhere.

Nineteen fifty seven, a little over after a little over six years on air, Joe left Wylm. This time it was his own choice. He was famoused at least locally, and his salary was forty two thousand dollars a year, which is almost ten times the average salary for a it's about four hundred grand a year, and like modern dollars like, he was making real good money. This time, Joe left because his dreams had overgrown a very comfortable working condition. He traveled to Riverside, California, and he got a job at a local radio station that quickly led to a TV job at KTLA in Los Angeles. He would later claim that his first TV show, which was essentially a filmed version of It's Your Nickel, had been a huge success, but the show lasted less than a year and I found no clips of it anywhere.

Joe moves back.

Joe moves back.

Yeah, yeah, I'd be surprised if there's any footage that still exists.

Yeah, yeah, I'd be surprised if there's any footage that still exists.

There is a we have some clips of his the show that Come Next, Came Next, but it's because there's like a grassroots archival effort to like digitize all of the old tape master tapes. So after his first year in la Joe moves back across the country to Chester where he works for a Philadelphia TV station for a first time for a short time, and then he goes back to wilm for a little while. He licks his wombs, he wounds. He seemed to know that a show like his, a political talk show where people could scream about pauloitics to a mass audience, was the wave of the future and was going to be huge on television, but the world wasn't ready quite yet. For a few years, Joe continued to broadcast, but in the early nineteen sixties he decided the time was finally right and he moved back to LA where he got a job at KABC. And I'm going to quote from the broadcaster's desktop resource again. Once again, he polarized the audience, with some listeners and guests complaining he was too caustic, and others saying his candor was refreshing. But as in Wilmington, he had people talking about him and his show From KABC, he went over to KLAC and set nineteen sixty five, doing the nine pm to midnight shift. Never wont to avoid controversial guests. He put Nazis and members of the Ku Klux Klan on the air displeasure Yeah, oh yeah, dope, earning the displeasure of the American Jewish Committee and a warning from the FCC. He also had guests who believe it in eugenics, guests who were racists, guests with strange theories about past lives or UFOs, and the arguments continued. Controversy sold Joe's salary balloon to two hundred thousand dollars a year, which is nearly two million a year by modern standards. Jesus NBC. Yeah, he's making it back. I mean this is soon that he's giving people like what Tucker Carlson and stuff. Now, I will be fair when he has Nazis and KKK members on and so that he can scream at them like yeah, well it's still like, it's still there's it's still problematic, but it's not as problematic as it is today, where you have people affiliated with similar organizations were talking about how, yeah, he.

There is a we have some clips of his the show that Come Next, Came Next, but it's because there's like a grassroots archival effort to like digitize all of the old tape master tapes. So after his first year in la Joe moves back across the country to Chester where he works for a Philadelphia TV station for a first time for a short time, and then he goes back to wilm for a little while. He licks his wombs, he wounds. He seemed to know that a show like his, a political talk show where people could scream about pauloitics to a mass audience, was the wave of the future and was going to be huge on television, but the world wasn't ready quite yet. For a few years, Joe continued to broadcast, but in the early nineteen sixties he decided the time was finally right and he moved back to LA where he got a job at KABC. And I'm going to quote from the broadcaster's desktop resource again. Once again, he polarized the audience, with some listeners and guests complaining he was too caustic, and others saying his candor was refreshing. But as in Wilmington, he had people talking about him and his show From KABC, he went over to KLAC and set nineteen sixty five, doing the nine pm to midnight shift. Never wont to avoid controversial guests. He put Nazis and members of the Ku Klux Klan on the air displeasure Yeah, oh yeah, dope, earning the displeasure of the American Jewish Committee and a warning from the FCC. He also had guests who believe it in eugenics, guests who were racists, guests with strange theories about past lives or UFOs, and the arguments continued. Controversy sold Joe's salary balloon to two hundred thousand dollars a year, which is nearly two million a year by modern standards. Jesus NBC. Yeah, he's making it back. I mean this is soon that he's giving people like what Tucker Carlson and stuff. Now, I will be fair when he has Nazis and KKK members on and so that he can scream at them like yeah, well it's still like, it's still there's it's still problematic, but it's not as problematic as it is today, where you have people affiliated with similar organizations were talking about how, yeah, he.

Was getting outrage clicks. But at least the the understanding was people are going to hate these yead At least that was like the understanding. Yeah, at least that was the fucking understanding. Yeah.

Was getting outrage clicks. But at least the the understanding was people are going to hate these yead At least that was like the understanding. Yeah, at least that was the fucking understanding. Yeah.

Again, you can still argue, and I think it is pretty irresponsible to do that, but at least the understanding was like, fuck these guys, let's let's yell at them.

Again, you can still argue, and I think it is pretty irresponsible to do that, but at least the understanding was like, fuck these guys, let's let's yell at them.

It's here, let's not let's hear them out. Yeah.

It's here, let's not let's hear them out. Yeah.

NBC Radio Network started syndicating his show nationally in March of nineteen sixty six, and it was soon on more than two hundred stations around the country. He called what he did fist in the Mouth Radio, and now that he was on a new time slot the mid morning rather than the night as he'd usually been before, his ratings exploded. This is generally thought to be due to the fact that being on earlier in the day opened him up to a vast new audience of board housewives. People were titillated. One of his networks advertised the show in a full page newspaper spread listing all the Nazis and klansmen and other pieces of shit he'd had on his show, and then concluding with you may agree or disagree with Joe Pine, you may scream and rage at some of his remarks, but you won't turn him off. Yes, I mean, what's the antent of that?

NBC Radio Network started syndicating his show nationally in March of nineteen sixty six, and it was soon on more than two hundred stations around the country. He called what he did fist in the Mouth Radio, and now that he was on a new time slot the mid morning rather than the night as he'd usually been before, his ratings exploded. This is generally thought to be due to the fact that being on earlier in the day opened him up to a vast new audience of board housewives. People were titillated. One of his networks advertised the show in a full page newspaper spread listing all the Nazis and klansmen and other pieces of shit he'd had on his show, and then concluding with you may agree or disagree with Joe Pine, you may scream and rage at some of his remarks, but you won't turn him off. Yes, I mean, what's the antent of that?

Stay?

Stay?

Is that?

Is that?

Is that shaming me? Is that?

Is that shaming me? Is that?

Like?

Like?

Yes?

Yes?

Like, yeah, you heard the feel bad I do? Yeah, but you won't turn him off? Yeah?

Like, yeah, you heard the feel bad I do? Yeah, but you won't turn him off? Yeah?

You motherfucker. This is on you unless you turn him off. We want this motherfucker off the air, but we can't. You like him too much? Just son of a bitch. We tried to look in the doors, he just shows up inside? What about.

You motherfucker. This is on you unless you turn him off. We want this motherfucker off the air, but we can't. You like him too much? Just son of a bitch. We tried to look in the doors, he just shows up inside? What about.

Secret doors?

Secret doors?

So Joe was on both the radio and the TV, and his television show A Learn alone earned him more money per year than Mickey Mantle played playing made playing for the Yankees. So he's making like more than Mickey Mantle money. Now, professional sports players made less money in those days, but still he's he's raking it in. He was the top rated talk show host and the second largest market in the US.

So Joe was on both the radio and the TV, and his television show A Learn alone earned him more money per year than Mickey Mantle played playing made playing for the Yankees. So he's making like more than Mickey Mantle money. Now, professional sports players made less money in those days, but still he's he's raking it in. He was the top rated talk show host and the second largest market in the US.

Yeah, it feels wrong that I don't know. Yeah, like you said, for the professional athletes made less money back then. But look, I feels wrong that like's Mickey Mantle. I know who Mickey Mantle is. If anyone, shouldn't he make all the money?

Yeah, it feels wrong that I don't know. Yeah, like you said, for the professional athletes made less money back then. But look, I feels wrong that like's Mickey Mantle. I know who Mickey Mantle is. If anyone, shouldn't he make all the money?

So from Smithsonian Magazine quote. At a time when TV's leading men included Walter Cronkite, Edward R. Murrow, Andy Griffith, and Captain Kangaroo, Pine was the medium's first shock jock, a firebrand who invited hippies, civil rights activists and Ku Klux Klansman alike to take a hike or go gargle with razor blades. By the mid sixties, he was the most popular TV radio voice in America. Johnny Carson had more television viewers, but Pine, with a syndicated TV show in two hundred plus radio outlets, had an audience to rifle. Johnny's Life magazine called him sadistic, a barroom tough, but millions turned in to watch the fireworks. When a guest advocating free love set off a melee Pines, audience charged the set and knocked it flat.

So from Smithsonian Magazine quote. At a time when TV's leading men included Walter Cronkite, Edward R. Murrow, Andy Griffith, and Captain Kangaroo, Pine was the medium's first shock jock, a firebrand who invited hippies, civil rights activists and Ku Klux Klansman alike to take a hike or go gargle with razor blades. By the mid sixties, he was the most popular TV radio voice in America. Johnny Carson had more television viewers, but Pine, with a syndicated TV show in two hundred plus radio outlets, had an audience to rifle. Johnny's Life magazine called him sadistic, a barroom tough, but millions turned in to watch the fireworks. When a guest advocating free love set off a melee Pines, audience charged the set and knocked it flat.

Oh shit.

Oh shit.

One guest, the suave TV personality David Suskin, earned a chorus of booze for calling Pine's program an orgy for morons. Host and guest both got a kick out of that. So it is like the first on air fight ringer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's also like Jerry Springer, the first Spring.

One guest, the suave TV personality David Suskin, earned a chorus of booze for calling Pine's program an orgy for morons. Host and guest both got a kick out of that. So it is like the first on air fight ringer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's also like Jerry Springer, the first Spring.

He's the first Saldo and yeah, we'll be talking about Morton later.

He's the first Saldo and yeah, we'll be talking about Morton later.

Yeah, like all of it's not just like Tucker Carlson the time.

Yeah, like all of it's not just like Tucker Carlson the time.

They cracked every aspect of this, like he really did. He he is an important man to know about, Like he really uh, he figured he was. Yeah, he figured some out. Most of it shit, I wish no one had figured out, but he did figure it out. I can make millions if I put Nazis on the air. Mm hmmm.