One this episode of the regular crew is joined by Clay's friend Ben Lagrone. They talk about child birth, Clay's new coonskin cap, and the mystery Bengal's fan wearing a Bear Grease hat on national television. Clay goes into detail of the untimely passing of best coonhound, Fern. Which leads Gary "Believer" Newcomb to tell a rogue story of how he rode motorcycles all over Vietnam dressed in disguise and ended up in a motorcycle wreck. The crew has a lively discussion about the final episode in the Secret Agent Man series where they discuss the brilliance of human instinct. Clay ends by clarifying his social media biff with Steve Rinella. It's heartwarming, and you're not going to want to miss it!
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Yeah, my name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Nuke, your office looks real nice. It doesn't. Really. Yeah, it feels. I think it could because it's so gray and sad outside, But it just feels. Do you think it's because I just sprayed this old spice wolf form in here. I don't know, the first time in Missy's life she's ever walked in my office. Went man, it's just really nice. Not the only thing you've done different today. Five minutes ago. I picked this up from where baron newcom parkss vehicle. It is a can of Aerospall aerosol aluminum free body spray wolf thorn old spice. I walked in, put a puff by the air conditioner bands almost down almost this chair with that chair. We're gonna introduce our our guest here. I puffed this right by the air conditioner. Missy walks in. It's like, looks great in here. Other things that had excuse me, Well, I mean he's got a wil alright, coon skin hat on his head. Wow, just bring up the elephant in the room right off in the room. So let me uh, let me, well, what what's different about the office? Honestly, I think that you have tidied up the podcast equipment on that little and I think that having it organized like that as opposed to how it typically is makes it feel cleaner in here, and I like a clean in order of the environment. I think it's because there's nothing laying right there. All the stuff that's laying is laying at my back. I can't see it. Yeah, so it's just an y'all noticed there's a new bear hide in here, big old bear hide. That's a beautiful, dark chocolate brown bear. Yes, it is Josh good eye. Josh has an eye for color. It's it's and it's real glossy. Many people would just look at that and say it's black, but you're right, it is deep chocolate, deep chocolate. So that's the bear that I killed last year. That's on the film Newcomb Family. The Newcomb Family Bear Camp film Okay. You know when when bear killed his bear and national forest and then I killed the bear. That's the bear. I just got it back. It's a beautiful hid, probably a six and a half foot bear. That's a good way about three pounds. So that does bring up a great point about the office. I have been working on my tractor. I have a B twenty six comboted tractor that I bought in two thousand seven, brand spanking new as collaterally. I mean, it was like the biggest purchase of my life. Oh yeah, and and I bought it and it was one of the best decisions that ever made because I made a living driving that thing for basically well. I started in two thousand five, ended that career stint in so from O seven to thirteen, really made a living off this little combota bacco. I still have it, and it's gots on it. Those things hold their value, tremendous value. I had a lot of people try to buy it from me, and I won't sell it. It's like part of the family now. Yeah, But I I spent quite a bit of time digging out some my offices on is on a slightly slightly sloped bridge. I don't know, probably a ten fIF teen degree slope and I dug out probably twenty feet back into the ridge and would you say that cut bank back there's probably three and a half four ft So I mean moved a lot of dirt and yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not a big tractor, and I used the dirt to fill in a bunch of stuff. But I'm building on a north wing to the global headquarters of Meat Eater South, the global headquarters of meat either South. Yeah, I haven't got the official clearing from Meat Eater for that title. That's a little heavy, dude, you might find yourself working in walmart, um. But I have big plans uh this winter. In spring, I've got a guy gonna bring a sawmill in. We're gonna cut some long leaf pine off Dad's land in Oklahoma. We're gonna skid it out with the tractor. I'm gonna bring it back here. We're gonna mill up all the fram and lumber for the For the addition, I've cut some cedars off my place that we're gonna use to line the inside. And basically I'm gonna build a big wing that's gonna be for gear and for primarily for gear. And for miss Newcomb to have an office. How about that? Yeah? How about that? Yeah? So that's big news. Would you guys agree? I agree? Okay, So to my left, Josh Lambridge, billmaker, everybody, fantastic to see when we come back around. We're gonna talk about what I'm wearing and too. To Josh Josh's left, it's not really a guest. Ben, you've never been on Bear Grease, but you were on Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. Yeah. So Ben Lagron longtime family friend of ours. His wife worked for Yeah, talking about so. So Ben's wife worked for me for how long been? I think eight years? She was the copy editor of Bare Hunting Magazine. And she was like, why it's kind of fun now, Well, so my wife is she's never really hunted, doesn't know really it's not her thing. And but when you hired her, she had to read every single article, every article that was ever in Bear Hunting magazine. Jessica's read and edited, and then you'd also send the magazine to her, so she would prove the whole thing and just slick over individually read all the articles and edit them. And then when I built the magazine, I would send her the finished version of the magazine, which she would read again. Yeah, I promise you she read way more than I did. I'm just glad that wasn't my job, because that's a lot of time in the bathroom reading magazine. Well, this one time, this one time, Clay told her straight up, Jessica, I think you know more about bear hunting than I do. To this day, any question I ever have about not just bear hunting, but the species, I asked my wife. I don't ask Clay because she can file off all these stories and anecdotes and this biology and it's like amazing because she's never hunted and she, you know, she's from Midwest and kind of moved around a lot of places in Midwest, to my standards, would be considered Yankee as what we call it, you know, and uh, which you know, plenty of people up north hunt. But it's it's to this day very funny to me, and it's I genuinely learn a lot from her. We got we gotta get her on the party, and hey, Dad, I was going to tell you this outside, but I thought a way to tell you this ben In Jessica, our internet sensations for real, they tell us about your business. That's not why you're here. But yeah, um so, I guess you could say to the in the baby world, we're a if you're a baby. Uh So, years ago we started an online childbirth class and it was this dream we had and then during COVID it kind of blew up because people couldn't go to hospitals and have traditional childbirth classes. And Jessica is a certified childbirth educator and a doula labor doula, and uh it just kind of grew from there to this this whole brand in business where we build online courses for couples wanting to learn about childbirth, how to take care of babies. And we got a lot of big dreams and places we're taking in the future. But this is me and her. We run the whole business on the internet. So it started out as an Instagram thing. We make educational but comedic videos about the pretty much every stereotype towards women. And my Instagram logarithm is thrown way off. Yeah, and then actually, whenever we started, I had to unfollow our account too, so like, this is messing up my world. So tell us what the Instagram name is? Balanced Birth Couple balanced dot birth dot couple, and that comes from our company name, which is called Balanced Families. So we're helping couples learn how to balance all the information they read on the internet because you get all the extremes now, and the extremes on the internet thrive on both sides of the controversy. We try to teach couples how to be balanced, figure out what's what's good for them. So that's our that's our business. They make a living like he and his wife full time living off the internet business. They've got a hundred thousand plus people right on on Instagram, big TikTok following, and then they sell these birth classes. So it's it's really pretty cool and being your hunter your lifetop. Lifelong hunter, Yeah, lifelong hunter. Growing born in Bread in Arkansas. I'm actually like a multi generational arkans And I was thinking about because you always say you're like seventh generation. I tried to do how the states do that? I don't know. It's it's weird in Arkansas the way people are like, I'm a seventh generation of a ninth generation, and it's just that we're alive, so poor, so desolate. True people need to know the history of Arkansas. They might not know like Arkansas came from a bunch of people. One of the most ben we're gonna get back to. But on this topic, Mark Kenyon asked me about my mule trailer on his show Deer Country, and he said, Clay, why you riding around with a soul beat up mule trailer. He says that like a family heirloom or is there some like sentimental thing? And I said, Mark, I've been my family has been in Arkansas for seven generations, and that is not enough time to pull yourself up from the tracks of poverty. You can tell a lot about a man's expendable income by his mule trailer. Mark Kenyon silent man, I'm very proud of you that you're a multigenerational. Yeah, well when you when I started hearing you introduce your stuff like that, I wanted to start counting it up, and I was like, I can't really counted up. I don't know I'm multi generational. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, hunting my whole life and love to fish, and my fly fishing mentor is in the room. Yeah, the land Virgins. This past year, Josh has has got me on fire for fly fishing. So um, yeah I realized that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I absolutely love it, and all thanks for this guy. I know that one of your girls hunts with you. I've seen her in pictures. Two out of the three hunting with two, other three hunting with you. Okay, do you need any of them fish with you? Oh? They love fishing. They love him. Bought a boat too, and kind of he's fixed. He fixed up a boat, sold about another boat. Okay. I kind of feel lied to because I didn't get taken fishing a lot. All right, I'm just gonna just throw that out there. That wasn't an experience I had. When I did have it, I was told I had to be quiet. Oh no, but I'm talking about like I said, can't get it. And and now I see all these people taking their kids fishing, and I'm like, I know your kids, they're not quiet. You think they were just looking for a reason I had to be quiet? Did people ask some misty? Did people tell you that when you were doing pretty much everything else shopping? You know, it's true be quiet when you shop. You can't let other other shoppers know what you're after and they'll take it from you. We traveled a lot, and there's a fun story where my brother's basically said every time we went out to eat, I'm not a joke, Misty, you can't. We bet you can't stay quiet the whole order, or the whole this or the whole that are they would And so one time my waitress came up and she's like, what are you doing. I had three older brothers who just tormented me and we yeah, yeah, all the fun and games, but I was the only girl, and it was like I was their favorite. One of my brothers told my mom, Mom, she's our too, toy. And so this waitress came up and I wouldn't. I was pointing, and it was weird because I wasn't talking, And finally my mom said, they said they want to see how long she can stay quiet for, and she's trying to prove them wrong because like, I'm the youngest child, only girl. This is the sort of thing. And the woman felt really sorry for me because she had all older brothers. So they announced over the big speakers at this restaurant when after twenty minutes that they wanted to congratulate Misty for being quiet for twenty minutes. They brought me this big, huge Sunday. I felt vindicated. My brother's got so mad, I mean, like so upset because my parents were like, she does not have to share with the Yeah, it was a pretty good story, kind of claimed to fame. I could be quiet for twenty Yeah. So yes, I was told that a lot Misty talk campaign. Yeah, true across the world. Well, it's like to Missy's laughed, Ben laugh, she missed chatting to Missy's laughed, Gary Believer, Num, good to see you many, thank you, good to be here. I get not every day, multiple times per week would not be an exaggeration of people sending me black panthers stuff. Yeah, yeah, you know I'm seeing a lot of it now too, you just on the internet. I mean a guy go here, look here black panther grandma saw walking to the backyard. You know, tap deal and uh you know it's real. And in fact, guy yesterday say this, Clay still believe that black panthers don't exist? Are you serious? Was he was? It was Koe. He introduced me to a buddy of his from college. He said, hey, here's here's the believer. Yeah, and uh so we got to laughing about that. But so he actually he he thinks that like I'm in the wrong. Well, you know, he's not sure. And I said, well, Clay stays pretty close to the science. And I said, probably what we're seeing is you know, some you know, painted something walking through there that's probably not a panther. But I still believe in him. I was just trying to describe what you probably believe. Yeah. Yeah, well, uh, you're wearing a believer hat, which you usually do for the render. You know what. Steve Rinella loves that hat. He wears it all time. It feels pretty good on my head. Yeah, speaking of hats, last night I got a text from I was coming home from Ohio, which is a foreshadowing of what's to come, which I know we're not going to talk about at all. He's looking at me kind of um message received. Let's see how long you can be quiet already telling suffuse and then it just bear grease fans. You're not gonna want to miss the next one. You're not, I mean, sincerely, you're not so My friend um Andrew Wills from Nashville, who has a band called Hawking Horse, sent me a text message of a screen clip of a television with the Bengals Chiefs game, and there was a guy with a Bargrease hat with his with his arm out like saying like first down Bengals and the and they zoomed in on him for you know, he just stood out in the crowd. He was standing up and he had his arm out like this, and I assumed it was the call that was correct. It was pasted down. You know, they just randomly get crowd shots with they zoom in on this guy for just like two seconds and he's he's wearing a Bargrease hat, and uh that my Internet world just like lit up. People were just all over the NFL. And then everybody chimed in about, uh, what he was drinking, which he was drinking. I couldn't even tell what he was drinking, but apparently it was some kind of beer and people were going on and on about the beer he was drinking. And then he a jersey, a Bengals jersey on and so the people that love the Bengals were like, this guy, it should be president. And then another and then you know people were like great hat, but they you know, they ought to drive him over with a truck for wearing that jersey. You know, it just the place, just like erupted. But I thought it was pretty cool that, uh, he had a Burgeri's hat on, which it was the Burgeries had. And every time that I go somewhere or just anytime Burger's hat comes up, people tell me that they were in a public, random place wearing their Burgeries hat and people stop them. And have had multiple people tell me that they've made friends and airports restaurants because they they talked to this guy has a Burger's hat on, and they like have stuff in common with him. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, they're like, America, you're pulling America. Keep bringing this all together, man, pulling America together, one hat at a time, healing America. That's what we're gonna put underneath bear grease. Hey, let's talk about your hats. Okay, continuing on with headgear, Josh, why don't you describe what I'm wearing extra? He does have his extra tough boots on, uh, kind of a milk chocolate brown, and then he's sporting these Corridora nylon overalls Dans Brier, these overproof overall. These overalls are bad to the bone. They look pretty bad. Did you know that Dan's Dan's Hunting Gear is. It's it's a company out of Ohio. And I watched the video today or just Ohio Heavy today and I did in Ohio at a sporting goods store, and I went home and looked up Dans. Dans is based in Ohio, and these are hand crafted by the Amish. Really, hundred one human being made this entire thing, like the zippers, the stitching, the cutting, the buttons was made by one person in Ohio, the Amish Amish people. How do you know what was made by one person? Yeah, that's what they say. They say it's quality control, like they have. They have people that just make the whole things so they're able to, you know, when you pass off jobs like you do this, you do this, you do this, like stuff could get missed. But they have real quality control. And I've never owned a thing of dance. Are those waiter boots that that that Brent wears that they danced to Probably there's a couple of kind of rough hunting coon hunting like gear. Dance is one of them. Wicks used to be one, but I don't think Wicks is. And then night Light makes a brand of bib like briar bridges chap overalls, but these are waterproof, briarproof, like super tough. I'm a I'm a big so yeah, carry on. And then up to the shoulders shirt is wearing a button down shirts. Shoulders are the front line of a man's physique mystique pearl snap shirt. But really, the crowning glory of this outfit would be this fine, handcrafted by one person coon skin hat. Yes, and who's whose hides were treated by none other than the one and only Fern Newcomb, the late Fern, the fern Josh. Josh made this coonskin hat for me. Josh is the one person. Josh is the one person. Yeah, it's beautiful and it's it's a one side fits all hat. Did you come up with that design? Did you really? Yeah? Just basically laying awake one night one night. Yeah, but it came to you, Yeah, yes it did, Yes, it did. Um. Yeah, I just wanted a hat that everybody could wear. It wouldn't have to be It has a liner inside of it, so it's a it's a described to me how you made these so that the the the actual fur part is made from one and a half high so you get the lid out of one. You can get the lid out of the half hide, and then the sides and the tail come out of another hide. Their stitched together, and then the liner and the sweatband inside the it's a satin liner with a leather sweat band. Um is an inside and they're all joined together with hand. They're all hands stitched together, um the liner to the to the hide, and uh, yeah, it looks really nice. Yeah. So this one's got a beautiful long tail on it was it's so, it's so warm, noble, regal, elegant. I'm gonna go ahead and say this. We're probably so. I gave Josh Sion Hudes that tan coon hides, and we're gonna probably get like twelve hats out of them. I think so. Probably somewhere in that ballpark, and at some point most likely maybe it's possible, but probably will happen. I hope in the future this is good. I'm certain that it's likely that at some point they'll be for sale on the meeting or dot com um, and uh, we're not certain and there and let me just tell you great marketing you might be for let me tell you they aren't. They aren't going to be cheap. If you were to buy a coon skin hat that you supplied the coons to to eight custom furrier, you'd pay like three bucks for a good kiding skin hat. So it's not like I was like, man, I'd play. I was like, I bet you would. Uh No, you think you think it could can have would be cheap, But furs actually takes a lot of skill. You know that Josh has like three hours and building this, and then it costs money to tan the hides and then um, and we're not doing it to make money, are you? Are you counting the hours that it took to actually harvest these kids. No, that's just free labor. Just I'm giving it back to America. Just part of the mission into America, one hat at a time. I mean, it just keeps, it keeps coming back to that we're gonna we're probably gonna be raising some money for some special things through selling these hats. This is like this this episode could be more vague. Hey, but what you questioned, all these cones came from Fern. Absolutely, yeah, so my so all the all these hides were treated by Newcomes Ozark Bluff Creek, Fern r I p the late Newcome's Ozark Bluff Creek. Fern. So about three weeks ago. You would have seen it on Instagram if you follow me on Instagram. But yeah, Fern died. I wasn't ready to talk about it. We had a render the day afterwards, and I just it was too soon. But now it's been about three or four weeks. Three weeks I think, Um, yeah, she was eight years old. She yeah, it was. It was unfortunate. She died a little bit premature. It's complications with her kiss. We live in the in Arkansas and in the hub of the Fort Smith area, which is where there's an air Force base called Fort Chaffee. I've heard this from multiple sources and actually heard it from a vet veterinarian. So I mean, I tell this story for truth that lecky oss the tickboard illness that is like Lime's disease ricking out in spite of fever. Humans can get it, any mammal can get it, and less is endemic to What's that a dolphin could get it if there's tree and coons. Yeah, yeah, though. Or Lechiosis is a disease, a tickboard disease that is endemic to southeast Asia and the the hub have you heard this before? Ben, Well, I know where you're going with it now, But well, the hub of where they were bringing service dogs back from Vietnam was Fort Chaffee, So they were taking dogs into Vietnam bringing the dogs back and basically these dogs brought Southeast Asia. I think it was Dad, did you do a tick check before you got on the airplane? Hey? Well, when you came back from Vietnam, you you'd had a motorcycle reck. I was all, bandys, you look like a war hero. Why did you tell me about Okay, we got let me finish this thought, but we gotta go back to that the so kiss. The further you get away from Fort Smith, the less likely that you're influenced by lechiosis. But like there's like a heat spot within about two miles of Fort Smith that like almost every dog this is an exaggeration but close to true, like almost every dog in this region is gonna have some amount of erlkiosis. And two years ago Fern almost died before we figured out what was wrong with her, and we got her on antibiotics and treated her, and the older she got, she would go through spells of whinter this lechiosis would flare up and you can't really cure it. You carry it your whole life, but when it flares up, you get on doxy cyclean and steroids and different things. And basically I was gone for eight days and when I came back, Um, she was just down. And you know, you just almost wouldn't have noticed it unless you just were really paying attention. And uh, it took me a day or two to realize, Yeah, she didn't look good. And basically it was just too late, and we get we got her on doxy cycling and got her on everything, and uh, basically I couldn't bring her back from it. She she kind of I mean you could. She was aging, She was not the same She was not the same form she was two years before when she had a bad flare up of it. So she I think I think there's a little bit of you know, the stages of grief, part of the denial, on the bargaining and all that. I think there's a little denial about her baseline was pretty pretty poor for the last couple of years, I mean, I think, but she was she hunted up until I mean hunted good up until last winter. Even this summer. I hunted her this summer. Yeah, I'm not saying she couldn't hunt. I'm just saying I think that Clay feels like if he'd been here, he could have fixed this. I'm not sure you could have. I'm not sure to write a song about this would be a heartbreaker. Would have been there, man, there's an old country song about feed Jake. Yeah, but that was the owner. The owner died. Yeah, a little bit different. Yeah, now it's it's it was. It really was sad for me. Fern was the best coon dog I've ever owned, and she came around. It was almost by accident that I got her. And she was such a good dog for me. She really for me, she was and uh so it was it was hard to lose her. It was, it was. But but I'm I'm hunting a new young dog and we're already gathering up some combs. Yeah. Yes, and though not really all by herself, but I've been hunting her and we've been bringing coons home in the back of the truck. Let me just say it that way. What's your name? Who? Who? Who's good? She a couple of Ferns niece, so Ferns brother is the sire of Hoot. I'll see if I can find the video. She got her name because we put a video up of her on Instagram. She had the funniest She's the barkingest dog we've ever had. And we when she was a newborn, we brought her inside and she would she would get going and then she would kind of howl like a bartowl. She would sound the way it was. It was really funny. So yeah, we got a lot of hope, hope for who. That's that's the campush hope for who. Yeah, yeah, if you, if you, if you want to tag me on that on Instagram, go for it. Hope for Hooree's all we got, man uh and we've still got Jed, which the World barrett A magazine people would know Jed. Jed was the dog that I used to make videos videos of that would jump up on my desk and everything. A man. I'll tell you what learned a lot about a dog, and I think you learned. I mean, maybe you could learn this about people, Jed. If you turn Fern and Jed loose and they went and treat a coon, you would think Jed was a top notch kun dog. Because he's gonna strike with Fern. He's gonna run with Fern. He's gonna be there every breath, he's gonna tree, he's gonna You're just saying, man, I got too fine coon dogs until one of them, until Fern is gone. And Jed he can't treat coon for the life of himself. He can't. He drives hard too, man, It's almost like he's confused. Like he burns out of there and he's like, here we go when two, let's go coon season? Yeah, And then he goes out there and like he runs backtracks and he can't. There's all kind of things going on in coon hunting that that a dog has to be able to do. They gotta know which way to run the track, they gotta be able to uh be able to locate the tree. And Jed he just can't do it. Man. My favorite party about hunting with Jed, though that's great, is that he he he likes to show off. He's real athletic, and he likes to he likes runner, and he likes to leap. He likes to like get on the hillside and try to leap towards the tree. And it's kind of a beautiful thing to watch. Like you're out there in the evening and you've just got a coon light out there, and you see that silhouette of that dog jumping from the side no less than like twelve feet up a like almost straight oak tree. He'll he'll just run and hit that tree and scramble up. He doesn't have a great nose. And when they get up there is they just kind of push off the tree and then just come down and land, and it's actually dangerous. He's a climber. So lots of dogs get killed. Lots of dogs get killed by being climbers because they if you have a slanted tree that a coon's in, that they'll cat walk and get way up in the top of a tree. Brent was actually on a hunt where a dog died that had climbed a tree. So Jed Jed's only fallowed out of a tree a couple of times above. Some might be why you can't tree a coon? Now, Dad, Vietnam, when you came home, you had a motorcycle. What happened? Well, you know, I can make this story real shorter, I can make a real long make it as long as you want. Okay, Well, we had a buddy when we were in the States that wanted to be a war hero. He had a buddy killed in Vietnam, and he tried and tried to get in something where he could fight. He really wanted to be a helicopter pilot. I want to be a warrant officer, and uh, he couldn't get through. I mean, he had a degree from University of Missouri. One of the smartest guys you've ever met, great personality, and so once they put him into post office with me, he kind of devoted his whole career to just monkey with people. You know. It was real fun to be with him. And uh, he was smarter than most of the officers, so I mean he could he could do cool stuff to us. Anyway, after he got out of a French dungeon when we were in Germany, we my other buddy, we're already in Vietnam dungeon. Well, he got picked up for doing some stuff. It wasn't too good and uh, and so anyway, his dad was an attorney. He came over, so he's straight up got arrested. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty serious stuff. Okay, I mean to us is g I's it was you know, it wasn't bad, but to the world it was. So anyway, we get to Vietnam and we'd get him shipped over to us. So we're all at this post office. So we got a one man post office up in way that ted of sixty eight where all the fighting was going on. And this was in sixty nine, and so we told told ourselves, if you'll get this guy in here, we'll have him behave as long as you're here. Once you lose leave, you know, two or three weeks or a month with turn him loose. Okay, So the boss man was gonna be there for three more weeks something like that, and you you you request. Yeah, he was kind of our buddy and he was Captain said, hey, get this guy. You get him here, we promise you he'll he'll behave until you leave. And so once he leaves, Quinn takes over. Man. I mean, this guy, I'll tell you his name. I'd love for it. We've tried to contact and we think he's probably dead. He was so crazy. Uh, But so he gets in the post office in Way, one man post office. I mean, this is gonna be a zoo. Well, we're a big post office in food by it. I mean, we just can't wait to see what he's gonna be up to after about six months, three months. Maybe he's got an apartment downtown, which you can't even get off the compound. I mean you get there in a in a vehicle, you stay there, you don't even get off the base. Well, he's got a apartment downtown. When you go into his who he's got stuff from the commissary. He's fixed to open a restaurant, I mean an American g I in Vietnam. He's got a business in way. Well, he hadn't opened it, but he's got the merchandise there. He's he's getting he's playing and where he's gonna do it, and he's gonna pull it off, and he's gonna get to run it. But he does have the apartment. And I spent the night with him one night. I mean you could hear gunfire in the streets. Um So, anyway, he buys a Honda ninety in a Honda fifty. This guy's in Vietnam. Of course we're in Vietnam. I mean, we're so bored that we just had to create stuff, you know, to get us through. Well, here Quinns got this apartment and two motions. So it off of the base and you know you're not even supposed to leave the base. Yeah, he he had, he had stuff we would dress up in. He called it Korean outfits. Would put on Korean hats and we would walk off the base even though we were bigger than Korean's and we could get off the base and he he had little ways and he could get us back to the shop where he had these motorcycles and then we'd go ride these motorcycles all day and um, come spend the night in his apartment. And so anyway, we're just out and he took us out into the Ashaw Valley. We'd go to restaurants. We thought we were going to a restaurant one time and it was, um, it was actually a family reunion and so and so, I mean that that was pretty comical. And so I remember this. I've heard these stories about life. They go to this place that they think is a restaurant. There's all these people eating and all this food set out, and they like walk in and y'all like start eating, right. Well, I mean there they brought us food, they brought you food. And then you like we're like hoping to pay for it, and they're like, and one's this older guy was what they called an opium freak, and Quint well, he could relate to him, you know, Quince Quintin talk enough. And finally Quint looks over at us and goes, hey, this is a family reunion. And they're they're glad we're here. So they brought us little things to drink and some little rice and stuff, and then we leave and we just come out of the Ashaw Valley. If you know what the Ashall Valley is all this agent on words, that's where all the fighting, I mean they were. They were in the Ashall Valley, those Vietcong. And we go, Quint, you know, are you sure we can ride these motions? And a shall hell? And he goes, oh yeah, man, he said, we'll just hit the edge of it and come around to this restaurant. And you know, we run into uh infantry guys in the back of a douce and a half and we pull up behind them and you know, they're all sitting here like this and they look back and they just loved it. They just went berserk when they saw that we were on four guys on motors on two and they were like on two motors to four of us on two motor So, I mean we're seeing big buddhoos about the size of your house back in the Jungles. I mean, it is a treat for a guy locked up in Vietnam. I mean, it's just like the most freedom I've ever felt. So we'd play little games a little with race and with Chase and and uh so Quent would drive one, I'd drive the other one, and then we had buddies on the back. And so my buddy he uh, you know, I just thought i'd slap him with a limb, you know, just be driving down roading, hit a tree like this, kind of lean out. Yeah, I lean back and I was gonna slap him with a tree limb. Yeah. Well there's constantina wire and it and it took our motors out, just skipped us down the highway and my arm was all messed up like barbed wire, Constantina wire like that stuff they would keep people out. Wow. So it's just like skid skided you all down the road. Yeah. Yeah. And this must have been right before you went home, it was, And so I had to go to How did you explain that at the firm. R Oh, I don't remember that part, but I know when I went home, I was bandage from here down and I've got a picture me coming off the plane with my arm bandage. So we had we you know, Vietnam was it was not good, but we we made the best though it. Yeah, your buddy could have been an undercover CIA or something doing some high level operations in the city. Yeah, I mean he had to do anything really well. And I mean back circling full circle here, folks, like, we don't know if Dad did a chick tick check or not when he came back, so he may have brought the ticks back from East Asia or Lukiosa's spern coon coon skin hat. Here we are back again in the Render podcast on any Yeah, it was a long way to get there, but here we are at Barger Bargery Surrender, and kudo has to have been for bringing it back to the actual topic. I surrender. Yes, I was actually dead serious, like what if he really was an undercover guy doing some high level stuff. I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well we knew he wouldn't. That's what they all said about Art two. Okay, so this third Secret Agent Man podcast. I let me let me say that when I went to Ohio to meet with ARTI Stewart, you never know what you're gonna get into. That's what's so wild about what I'm doing is I I envisioned this being one podcast you you just don't know how someone's gonna respond to just if they if they're gonna give you a lot or give you a little, is how it's gonna go. And when I was with r T, I spent three and a half hours with him just talking NonStop, and I knew. I was like, this is really good. There's a lot of story here. And so you know, we were able to make three full podcasts, So just a review if you've not heard him. The first one was called Secret Agent Man Art Stewart, which was a big high level overview of artis life isn't Undercover Agent kind of what they did, how they did it, And it ended in a climactic moment of me asking RT was it worth it, like all that you had to do? RT talked about the difficulties he had with family and and he said no, And that was like a really unique podcast. The second podcast was about it was called Secret Agent Man Operation Redbud Part two and that was about the biggest sting that they ever did, which was the largest Turkey po sting in in the U S at the time. The third one was called Secret Agent Man Instinct, and it was really really what happened from a functional level is that I had built these two podcasts, but I still had multiple disconnected, really fun stories from RT that I couldn't fit in the other ones. So but I but I really wanted to tell those parts of the story. And then I had also interviewed Dr Matthew Sharps um which I need to make a correction. I said he was from um Fresno. I stated the wrong university that he was from. He's from California. Believe it's from California State. Somebody look up where Dr Matthew Sharps as a professor of I need to make a correction there. But he gave basically what I was trying to do in the stories that were told about r T was that he he just had an uncanny ability to get out of situations. And then I started asking Dr Matthew Sharps about that about how humans respond under stress and when we go on autopilot, what happens, and he starts talking about scripts, script violations, and how there's a whole lot of stuff that's built inside of us at a DNA level that we feel like it's unconscious and unplanned, but it's actually like really deep inside of us. Um and he gave some really unique examples that didn't directly relate to our t but showed us that we are flowing at a whole level of of of action sometimes that we don't we don't even connect the conscious thought. For instance, like him saying that that humans have an innate built into them in their d N a desire to be near cover at the dark. Did y'all think that was interesting fascinating? I thought the part about like even paintings, like we have like preferential taste inside of paintings that we want people to Yeah, I thought that was that was super fascinating. Yeah, I mean, that's that's at a DNA level. But if you if you think about it and envision yourself with your family out in a big giant field and it starts to get dark, like you, I mean, I guess you could rationalize standing in the middle of the field, but like You're like, I don't know, I don't want to be near the cover we didn't get. We didn't get some cover and where you could climb the safety. Yeah, and that's what he said. He said, because we used to have to watch out for big cats. And I mean some people in Arkansas and Alabama still do black panthers exactly. Um, but it's probably a little stronger in US that that sixthing. Cow state state, California State in Fresno is where Dr Matthew Sharp started. He was a neat guy. He was a fun guy. Um, I think that's what you said. Well, I said it on the first one. The second one I said it different and somebody called me out on it. I really I was really fascinated by a humans ability to three times like your ability to memorize tracks. Interesting in in his test sample were like urban urban students, which is amazing. Yeah, yeah, that's good research. I'm glad there's a guy's research and stuff like that. What I thought when I heard that, I was like that that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, it just it just makes you wonder how much how much we really are flowing? Did it make sense? When I did the spot on Supernatural did that make sense? And why I was saying that it does to me. Everybody's quiet, and I was gonna say the same thing it does to me. I mean it does to me because I think that that's I can I you know, I think from our worldview, there's and that's what I was thinking, is I was listening to this, you know, I definitely we have space inside of our worldview for a spiritual a spiritual component of our life. And you know, like I think, I don't know like doctrinally if that's the right word to use, but like we believe there's a spirit so embody, and that these are three aspects of a human being, and we do things to intentionally make you know, make our spirit alive and and and active and and a dynamic part. So I feel like when I was listening to that, I was thinking, there's for sure things that have happened that are in the supernatural room that I've experienced personally, and I would have a hard time separating those things from what they described is like these DNA and coded Well that's that was kind of my point, was that there are mechanisms that describe things that maybe someone would have attributed as a sixth sense or something supernatural, and then you could go, well, it turns out it wasn't supernatural. Turns out this is a result of you know, just humans being on the landscape for how long. And all I was saying was I absolutely believe that. But I was saying, the mechanism of how this stuff happens does not negate for me another thing that I'm not talking about, which and I was just like, I absolutely believe in the ability for someone to get information that absolutely doesn't come from here and doesn't come from our DNA, but comes from a divine source. That's all I was saying, because I guess that the next train of thought was like, oh, shoot, there's no such thing as instinct. Instinct is just built into our d N. A we're actually tapping into some unseen database of intel that's making us move. The way that always summarize this kind of struggle you're talking about between like signs of spirituality is that they're not mutually exclusive. They answer they answer district questions like science addresses the how and the spirituality addresses the hy. So when I when I hear stuff about that, and you know, we can trace this anthropologically to blah blah blah. I'm like, well, to me, that just answers the how, and but it could still be some divine source. So that's one thing I love about Bear Grease. Is it to me, when you try to whittle everything down to this you know, super scientific rationale, it actually kind of simplify oversimplifies it because there there wrest scientific, traceable evidence and conclusions that we're being brought up in that episode. But to me, that doesn't negate how amazing it is. It's like, look at this ability, the social abilities that we have because of our large brains, because of however long we've been here, whatever, It's pretty incredible. And to see that go from this ancient context and now this guy, you know, in this context of undercover it to me, it just I liked the whole series because it just showed me just how unexplainable our our minds are, unexplainable people are. And to me, it's just a really cool series. What about when he go ahead, Missy, what we I was just gonna say. I think one of the things, you know, he talked about these fireflight instincts kind of brought that on and this guy was putting himself in an incredibly dangerous situation. And one of the things that I think about a lot is that just how people, over time, that spiritual component, that six ins whatever you call it, has become numb or more so than it was d years ago. And part of that is because of philosophies of thought that have shifted and that say, well, that's actually not even you know, if it's not measurable, visible, these are things. If it's intangible, we don't, yeah, all those things, it doesn't exist. So that's part of that. Part of it is that society has shifted in most parts, in a lot of parts of the world to where we're not in such a survival state. And and one of the things that I think is is interesting and interesting question to ask is have those things numbed us to the point and numbed our kids and the kids that are growing up now to the point that they are going to have to It's hard. You have to make space for that aspect of your of your life to come alive. And this guy basically created that space by putting himself, yeah, in a wild situation. And if the structures of life were tore down around us, we'd all get real spiritual, real quick. Yeah. Yeah, I watched my bees last week. We had like seventy degree weather all week long, and and the way they acted the night that it was going to drop to twenty from like have that fifty degree, which is a big deal, was interesting to me, just like watching them. They were out and alive, but they were kind of crazy. They were can be peaceful or they can be agitated, and they were agitated. And I you know, you hear all these stories about the birds before that big tsunami, Uh that the birds kind of and all the animals retreated from the coast. It's almost like they knew. So there was some definite biological things. But I think I have like real specific examples even of of you of like being concerned for you are not concerned where I did feel like it was a spiritual thing. Yeah, and and but I also feel like, I don't know, you make yourself more open to that rumor absolutely well it was it. It was interesting. I also thought it was interesting when he said that humans can they can pick out a serial killer just by looking in their eyes. Now he said they didn't know they were serial killers, but if you gave an I gate image of ten people, you would be like that guy and that guy I don't trust, and then you know, some percentage of the time, a high percentage of the time, they're like, well, okay, those two guys are serial killers. That's what I tried to describe, which was kind of hard to do. But think about an actual image of someone's eyes. I can envisioned just like a cropped photo where all you could see was eyebrows over and you know, maybe under the eyes, like two inches across the bridge of the nose. What would be different about that between people? It's I mean literally like you could draw it out and you can say, well, his eyes were slightly closed more, his pupils were bigger. Always looking at pupils, he is. I walk into Dad's house and he hadn't seen me. I walked into this house the other day after being hunting, and he hadn't seen me in a while. And I always tell when Dad hadn't seen me while he just stares at me for a long time, and he said, you look like you're own drugs, And I was, actually, your mother brought that up. You really didn't. But I do notice certain people in fact, um, I know it's not always true, because I've seen it in two or three people that I know aren't on drugs, but their pupils are about this big hey, let me say something about what you are talking about, all this spiritual stuff and in six senses and things. Uh, you know, I really liked this guy, your your PhD guy. I mean, and I think what he's saying there's a lot of truth to it. But there's another side of that thing that the boy missed, and that is that when I raised you, guys, Judy and I did, we would not allow y'all to fight and argue, and it took something away from you where when you got out in society, you weren't as equipped as other kids two verbally defend yourself. Even though I never saw it, but I just know there's a reason it's so consistent within kids to scuffle and argue and learn how to be a defense attorney. I mean, they really do, I think. And so he was raised up with two or three older brothers, so his whole life he r t is he is. He is spending a great amount of time trying to survive. He's learning how probably now not necessarily with you guys, but a lot of kids. You know, if you're brought up in the ghether as you learn how the light of the police, you learn how to tell stories, you learn how to get out of stuff. You know. He he was he was learning how to think real quick on his feet. Mom, I didn't do that, you know. I mean he learned this stuff as he was growing up. So he was very well equipped to handle things quick or his brothers were gonna beat him up because his brothers were fighters. And would you believe it or not, there's a lot to that he trained his whole life for this. Just you know, he was a fighter. He was an interesting guy. You know, he's in the law enforcement. I mean in I mean he's so I mean he's uh, if you're gonna survives a little he had and you got old bro, you know what it was like, Yeah, yeah, I there's I think that that's a pretty good a pretty good point that you're the and and it wasn't like this guy was living a real protected life. I mean the stories that he told about his life, the coal mines and all that. And when he when they asked him how many fights he got in and he's like, oh not, this that was on this episode that was one of my favorite stories. Yeah. Yeah, only forty forty fights. How many times did he have to defend himself in front of a parent or police officer or school teacher or you know, his girlfriend and body? Yeah? Right, he had to explain it. I mean, he had to go with it and now you know what it was. You know, he had to be quick on his feet. Yeah, I did. I think what I hear you saying is that before you try to jump to all these big biological conclusions, maybe look at the guy's immediate family and you can probably get a lot of Yeah. I definitely saw that a lot when I used to teach in public school and it was kind of savage. You could watch uh a family, and you could watch boys and young girls grown up and be like, man, I don't want them to end up in prison, but man, it's gonna take a lot of invention but for these behaviors to stop. And so those patterns are pretty traceable. And there's a there's a movie that Opie Taylor was in in uh, The Courtship of Eddie's Father. Did y'all see that? Yeah, my mom liked all these old movies, and in it he was trying to explain to his dad what made a good woman, the type of what he was. His dad was a widower and his rich richie kunning him. Rond Ron Howard. Yeah, so, but Opie's a little boy, and he describes like squinty eyes, that kind of woman you don't want. He described some other characteristics as well, but the kind women were the ones with a round eyes. And it's real funny. You should find that clip and play it because it's actually it's really funny. And okay, well, not a bad girl, not really. Actually, hey what about the movie? Uh, I'm real bad at remember the name of movies. But uh, this older smart mafia guy was giving this young kids some advice. He said, when you date this girl tonight, let me tell you what you um. You take her to your car and you open the door and you get her in, you close the door. Then you go to your side and make sure the door is locked on your side when you come to the door to let your key to unlock. If she doesn't unlock that door, just take her home, you know. And and so anyway, that's what was he say. Well, he he was just saying, if that girl has not got enough smarts to look over and see the door's lock and care enough about you to reach over and unlock it. They're home. And of course it made a lot a lot of sense when you watch the movie. But so there's little things that you can watch for girls that were rubber boots are always really good wife yeas mere sweaters and fancy pants and shirts and yeah, I like that. So there were there were multiple stories that the I think one of the best stories was when he was buying wally from a guy near Lake Erie, So Ohio. I'm now like an Ohio expert. I find I really connect with these guys from Ohio. It was a pretty rough place. Um, the Appalachian Trails Ohio. What do they call that? The they call the highway that runs from I don't think it goes through No, it doesn't lands in Ohio. It's where people migrated away when the when they were trying to get work outside of the coal mines and they landed in Ohio. What do they call it? We're out of our lane here. Um, the he was he was buying illegally caught perch. There was a big thing going on where guys were catching perch and selling it illegally. Which have you ever eaten yellow? Yeah? Yeah, those are two of the best eat yellow purchase. Our friend Troy Booth made us perch, made us fish tacos out of perch one day. It was delicious. Yeah. I kind of was wondering, like around here, a perch is not like a great you know, people eat them, we eat them, I mean whatever, but it's not You wouldn't die for a perch out of the pond over here, uh or brim as we call them. Purchase something differently, Oh it is. It is totally different buying perch, buying buying these yellow perch. And the guy they're at a party and you hear a bigger story. Chip told a real condensed version. They're at a big party and these guys are like pretty wealthy, and but they're selling a ton of perch illegally, and and artis buying it. And he's a known buyer. He's been buying it, buying it, buying it, buying it, just racking up tickets for him. He would he would way every when they would sell him fish that he would go, you know, they would say like this is here's two pounds of fish, and Art would be like, are you sure, and he'd get his scale out and weigh it and document it to write it down yeah yeah, and be like, okay, that's actually two point seven pounds, thank you for the extra or whatever. But the guy says, how do I know you're not a you're not a game warden? And uh and then Art jumps up, yells at the guy and says, I think you're the bleeping game warden. He says, I'll tell you what. Take off all your clothes and our Art starts taking his clothes off, drops his pants down to his ankles, pulls his shirt off, throws his shirt on the ground, standing there with his pants as his ankles, shirt off at a party, yelling at this guy, demanding that he takes his clothes off so he can see if he's carrying a wire. And the dude, the guy that thinks RT is a game warden, is just like chill out man, and uh. And then artis wearing a cowboy hat and he's wearing the wire and there's a cowboy. I mean, I thought it was so cool. Uh that sharps. He told me what that was. It was a script violation. That was really interesting because I've actually seen that. We've all seen that take place in our lives. That's where these little kids learned this stuff, the really sharp kids. You know, Mama's jumped some on them for something to go. Well, Susie just shot the game warden, you know, and so you know then what so she's this girl's free, you know. Script Yeah, script violace, like I encourage people to try it. Yes, yes, I'm gonna. I was waiting for the right moment, but I said it. Sometimes people ask you for stuff that you can't give them, and so you gotta you gotta find the way out. I think it's seeing about kids in our family. We knew if we could make our mom laugh, so you would be getting in huge trouble. But if you could make because she's got a week spot, you could get out of anything funny. And well that's why my brothers are all funny. I'm hilarious. I'm assuming, I'm assuming that you never did anything wrong. Get out. Yeah, okay. The other one was so the script violation, like, I thought that was really good. The other one was he's sitting around a card table and there's been a bald eagle that's been killed. Yeah, the poachers go are setting him. He doesn't know it, but they say, we know who killed that bald and Artie never lifted his eyes off his cards. Yeah he's they're playing poker, and he just just never paid any mind to it. And and then you know, two weeks later, the guys go, man, we thought you were a game warden. That's why we said that eagle thing. They laugh. I mean, it's pretty crazy. To me, that was the that to me, that story was the told the most about his complexity. Like for a person to have all that confidence and fearlessness yet the self control in that moment, that to me was really interesting, Like the script violation, Like comedians do that stuff all the time to be funny. You know, I just have a friend in college and if you're parked in from those concrete barriers, he had a big og gep he'd always instead of you think you're gonna about to back up, he'd drive over it. You know, it's just hilarious. All it was always doing something weird like that. But in that moment, I want to know what went through his brain in those milliseconds to know that would have put him in danger. I want to know that too. That's That's what I when I was listening to this one, just listening to him talk. You know, Artie's a fun guy, like did did a big service, but he kind of rough. I mean he some of the when he was talking about his stories. I thought I could have gone to high school with this guy. I mean, like I know people like him who were just smart but but pretty rough. And that really uniquely equipped him for for this. And I couldn't help but think how much of this was just like you just kind of learned to shut your mouth and not say like maybe he wasn't being strategic in that moment. Maybe he was, And looking back, he's like, oh, that was really strategic. Not to discount what he did, but just like maybe you just kind of know how to handle yourself around rough people well. And and he even said, you said you and you were a master at that, and he said, well, I didn't know it at the time, but looking back, I was pretty good at it. Isn't that the way that people do things though, is that they Yeah, he he wouldn't have thought I was good at this. Yeah, Like he just was doing what he knew how to do. And and then you know, thirty years when you kind of examine what he did, You're like, yeah, that's that's pretty good. I mean, that's that's kind of the way a lot of stuff works. I mean, that's the way guys in in wars. Often they come back from a war. There's like, dude, we're just doing what we're supposed to do. It it was terrible, But then you know, you dive into what they did and it's like, that was pretty heroic. That was pretty pretty unusual. Yeah, you're like, well maybe it was. Yeah, yeah, he he wasn't too tim is just normal life. But when he stripped down, that was the danger right there. I mean, somebody could have said, okay, let's look at your hat now, you know. I mean he he could have been and his goose cooked. So he was gambling, and he knew from probably childhood experiences that that that you get naked and from much folks, you can get away with hat. That's yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know, but that, you know, I would not have ever had the savvy to do that. I mean that that takes a war type hero type guy to say, man, I'm a layer on the line right now. Brothers. He didn't have a choice, though, you know. I mean that that's the thing that we're not putting ourselves in, is these high stakes moments, and that's what is so unusual. What was the other one? So it was it was the Wally, it was the Eagle story. And then Chip grows they call him partial Turkey. I mean that was just crazy. Well yeah, the real Turkey. Now, I think the real Turkey was just with Like, I don't think RT ever thought if I'm ever called out by Turkey Free, that's why they call me real Turkey RT. You know, with burst of adrenaline going towards his brain, you know, like that's your your fight or fight responses two, shoot adrenaline to whatever is needed at that time. Do you mentioned the cortex? A week, a couple of weeks, and then this guy brings it up again. So if you get too much blood flowing through your cortex, it doesn't work properly or what What's what was he saying? No, I think what he was saying was in a fight or flight moment, your body, your physical body requires more blood energy to potentially fight or run, and so it takes blood away from your brain. So you you actually aren't consciously thinking, but you go on autopilot, so there's less fuel in your brain and so your brain is just running off instinct whatever you want to call it. That's what I understood that. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, but and where all doctors? So we know? M hm, Well it was a it was a fun series. I think people really liked it. Did he retire from DNR? Oh yeah, yeah, and and yeah he did? Hey what about this was just one of the things that this this episode that really surprised me that the news, the Ohio State News ran a story on undercover wildlife agents while he was undercover. Okay, ms nukem, we actually covered that in the first episode and this one. Okay, well, I'm just saying in the Render we talked about it. Were you able to listen? Did we talk about that in the Render? No? So okay mean to me. In the first episode, no, Chip Gross told his story. Chip Gross the guy who wrote arties book in first person Got It, Got It. He was a game warden in Ohio, but he also wrote for Ohio d n RS like magazine that they sent to all their constituents. They had just started this undercover unit in the Wildlife Agency and it was public knowledge. It wasn't like super top secret, that like, hey, we're doing this thing now. And he went to the supervisor and asked if he could write an article about the undercover agents, and the guy said sure, And so he writes an article and Target number two, Target number two, we all know. Target number two carries the the magazine article back to RT and says, look at this. These guys are living with these folks, and Art's like, God, I can't believe it. And RT was very angry at Chip Gross for writing the article. Yeah, I can appreciate that. That's that's why I felt, Yeah, I can appreciate that. And you heard him bantering back and forth. So in the interview, Chip Gross was there with me and Chip is funny man. Chip is like, uh, I don't I don't know how old Chip is. Um. Chip is maybe Chip seventy. I mean he's he's a really fit guy, really smart, sharp, like fun guy. And I'm sure Chip is gonna be listening to this podcast. So Chip, hat tip to Chip grows um. And if you're only sixty two, sorry, yeah, sorry about that. Chip. If you're not seven, Uh no, Chips a lot of fun and uh and he's a great writer and uh, and he wrote the book Poachers Were My Prey, which you can find on Amazon. How did the book does what I was curious about? You know? Um? Yeah, I did? It did well for a book that I mean, it wasn't like a New York Times bestseller, but it was just kind of a regional book published by a state university. And so I don't know the numbers, but I think the book. The book did well. Um. And I know he's got a lot of sales on it since since this podcast came out. But but the Chip was there and and he and R T were going back and forth about you know, RT was like, I couldn't believe you did that. Chip was He was like, sorry, man, how big is RT? I'm been kind of wondering a fasting old boy is he? How big old boy is he? He's he he got to be over six ft, you know, I mean he's you think, oh, yeah, RT? How many fights? Believe in one? And I didn't started this guy jumped on him. He's pretty good. He's probably six one six two, and you know he's probably not in fighting shape these days. But I wouldn't want to fight him. I mean, if I fought r T. I mean he'd know he'd been in a fight. He didn't know he'd been in a fight. I'll start saying that to Clay. You can engage in this argument. You might even that was good. That was good. Well, I can't wait. Uh, I can't wait for the next episode. It's gonna be good. No. None. It takes a lot of personal discipline on you, doesn't it. Yeah, it does. But when I wear this coon skin cap, I feel like you're you're an oak. I feel like a mighty oak tree, giant board coon nestled in his branches, underneath an ozark moon, swaying in the wind. Right to have everyone. It looks like a beautiful eighties hair style. One more thing, Okay, um, pretty sure December, almost certain, Probably it might be, I'm no for sure. Potentially potentially met season eleven. My episode with the Moose already will be out December four. Cool, So listen, let me explain the meat eat watch that. Yeah, and maybe that's a great idea. That's a great idea. It's a good episode. I've seen it. I've named the moose Steve for everyone that doesn't understand this meaty to the television show, my friends. Steve Ronella's show was on like Sportsman's Channel for a long time, and then the last four years it's been on Netflix, and that's where the world was able to watch meat Eater, which is really cool. This year, Meteor season eleven is only on It only streams from the meat eater dot com, so it's not on Netflix, but it's the same quality. I mean, it's like meat Eater and you just have to pay to pay for all you have to do. You got you gotta put your email in. Literally, you go to the website, you you click up on videos or shows Meteor season eleven, and then it asked you for an email. You put that email in. I mean, heck, you use my email just putting Clay dot I'm just kidding. I did that today and if I can do it anybody you got on there? Yeah, okay. I had a neighbor text me and say, I saw Clay uh squirrel hunting sir, you know if he told a little bit about squirrel hunt And I said, well, I'll try to find that. I'm it's the one that you did years ago on Netflix. Thoughtfix that the Yeah, those will remain on Netflix, so you'll still be able to watch media on Netflix, but the season eleven is only on the Meteor dot com and they've been releasing episodes one per week since about like October, and so I think there's eight episodes in season eleven and caught up. I've only watched, like, yeah, I was on another one too. I killed that buck right there. That's a buck I killed in Nebraska. Um on Jordan's but the skull, oh, the skull beautiful. Yeah. We had a neat hunt in Nebraska. So that and that moose hunt was really it's incredible. Man, Like, I'm I'm a moose hunter. Did the show turn out? Well? I think it did. Steve, I think Steve one hunt. Let me just say that, I'm I'm a big fan. I saw your deer hunt where Ranella was with uh Jordan's uh huh and by yourself. Yeah that's yeah. Yeah Nebraska. I mean that was pretty cool because you're by yourself. Yeah, interpret correctly, Well, I mean I was by myself. I mean she probably told you where to go and what to do, but well you're at there hunting on your own. Yeah, I mean it really wasn't even that great. Um what what wasn't fully understood in the episode was that Steve was hunting over on this cornfield and I was like a mile away from him, but I could see him. It's so flat out there. So I'm watching them, like about a mile away, and I'm here. They see a buck come running by, just out of range but kind of in their quadrant. That buck that morning and it runs into the corn. Well, we meet up for lunch and they're like, yeah, we saw a buck. And I saw the buck too, but it was like three quarters of a mile away from me, and they go, yeah, it's a good bucket ran into the corn. And Steve wanted to go kind of still hunting that evening. He wanted to kind of stalk through the river bottoms and uh. And I said, well, dude, if if you're not gonna sit in that spot, I said, I'll sit in that spot because that buck went that corn and he's gonna come back out of that corn, That's what I thought. And so Steve abandoned the spot and I went to his spot, and sure enough, that buck came out of the same same roll of corn he went into. I mean just like literally there, he just turned around, he backed out. It's like the reverse light Saw backed out of the corn, turned around and jumped the fence and put I shot him. And so the whole week that was like the first day. And so the whole week, I'm just hanging out in the camp and and Steve and Jordan are out there hunting, and I kept saying, it should have been your buck, Steve, Steve's buck. I killed your buck. I'm sorry, man, I killed your buck. And so you know, that's what we got. That's what he talked about on the episode, was that he was like, Clake, help my buck. So it was funny. Steve's a lot of fun to hunt worth. He really is bad for all the Okay, I'll clear the air too. We're going going deep on social media. You will see me, like if you only knew me from Instagram, you would see me rasing Steve Ronnella and him rasing me. And and that's fun. We we enjoyed that. But I mean, Steve is a great guy to work for. He truly is a great guy to hunt with and a ton of fun. So and he's been Steve has been a big mentor to me. I mean it kind of goes without saying, but in the media space, like when Steve gives me input on bear Grease, I listen, I really do. And uh, we've we've stayed at their home, he and his wife. He's been on one render. Yeah, but not not with the real render. That's a good idea. We had to get him down here. He's a busy man. He didn't even listen to the render. I've been wanting to put my application in verbally, but I know he didn't listen to it. He listens to the Burgaries podcast. You know, we're just nothing. I mean, come on, well, yeah, you know when he's wearing your hat though, Yeah, yeah, true, true, what we can say. I was just gonna say I think he has listened to some renders because he he remember when he said that brit was real smart, Josh, yeah, nothing about you. Hey, I enjoyed the uh what what do you call it? When you had your coat and tie or your coat owning your That was pretty. That was that was a dad. That was like, where did this little dirt ball come from? Yeah? How nice and clean? Real self conscious about that stuff. Hey, it looked nice, man. I'm telling you, that's the only time I've ever looked at you and I thought he yess my boy. Right there again, what about chopped liver wear, my coon skin hat, Damn's overalls right now? Man? No, no, not the way I looked. I mean, holds up and look good. No. I get I get self conscious about about harassing Steve Rinella because people think I'm serious. Literally, You'll put something like that on Instagram and they'll be like, it's such a jerk. Man. That's what makes it funnier. I mean, I'm like, yeah, so I started. You would have seen me be start my post with this is satire. I really like Steve Ronella and Carl Malcolm. I'm not really belittling them. I think they're great hunters. It's gonna be on my Google home feed like claim nwcom Steve Ronilla and brutal. Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, that guy that got to me when somebody was like, what a arrogant jerk? Yeah, I couldn't sleep that night. It's like, man, it was supposed to be a joke. He was at all off the cuff or did you have that scripted out? Sort of? It really is all off the cuff, That's what I thought. See, that's you know, you want to I like what you were saying about, you know, you want to dig deep and look at the science and how people act. A lot of times it's just I mean, you just got the stuff to do it. You know what I'm saying. What we do on those videos is we at Isaac Neil. He he films them and makes them and he makes them funny. Isaac is great at making them funny. He does the edit, and Isaac coaches me too, So like, so we'll watch an episode of Meat Eater and I will just comment on anything that stands out. So we'll watch the whole thing and I might talk for ten minutes and just he'll pick up and he'll go, hey, hey, do that again, but but say it like this, and I'll be like, yeah, yeah, that'd be funny. And so, you know, some things we kind of did over but it's kind of just like off the cuff, just kind of slinging slinging stuff. But it's it's a fine line because you don't want to like, like you could really like rip someone a new one, and you don't want to do that entirely. You kind of want to hit kidney, punched him a few times, but then end on a high note because really the episodes are incredible, I mean meat eaters, like, are you know for sure one of the best outdoor productions ever ever? And so you know here I am making fun of it, which is the humor of it. Yeah, exactly. Steve Nnell is a way better hunter than you, I mean for sure and western hunting. You get him back here in these mountains in Arkansas. After they did walk up in here with this twenty two though, I thought that was impressive. Ask him how many these girls he killed? Sometimes when we got places, there's a thing in our family there's a belief that I don't know how to leave, Like I can't get out of a conversation if so we go, like we go to church or we go wherever, and the kids are like all wait in the car playing the kids. So they've coached me on how to leave a conversation. I feel like the end of this Baras podcast is sort of like we're not really quite sure how to leave. Yeah, I have an idea I have how we can leave. Well, we started to scold that squirrel dog for barking. We started go ahead, we started talking about the spray and uh, when this is my first time on the on the render. When I came in my the first thing you did was turn and spray the room, and I was like, wow, this is a big deal. It's got all right. This is the bargrease render sense if you if you were in a very hat and want to have a great time, get a little bit of that in your house and all of a sudden something that'll make it better. If this chair would break right now, I have the whole time I've been saying, don't make that a talking point by your phone on your butt. Well, Ben, thanks for coming man. Thanks, you're gonna have you back on. We we gotta have Jessica on here sometime, bet because she's a bear hunting eggs blur and a child birthday. That's right, all right, Thanks guys,