Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour: Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are joined by the iconic Molly Mesnick for a conversation filled with incredible parenting and relationship advice. No topic is off the table, including open communication with teenagers, running a business with your romantic partner, and using different strategies for parenting one gender versus another. Plus, the women explain why you should never judge a parent when their toddler is screaming on an airplane, and Molly and Kathy discuss the immeasurable value of a loving stepparent. All this and so much more... Listen now!
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And today, oh my goodness, we have a Bachelor Nation icon. Yes, yes she is. She's married to former Bachelor Jason Molly. Hello, Hello, how are you doing.
We're so happy here.
You just called me an icon.
You never never never, no, no, no, don't ever think that. Never never, You never become invisible. You are fabulous in every way.
How have you been doing? Tell us what's going on in your life?
Rain?
Life is so good. Yes, we're happy. We live in Seattle. We just built a new house. The kids are great. Work is great, like life is good.
Wait wait, wait, one thing, Seattle. Isn't that the rainy? It doesn't rain alive, you know what.
It doesn't rain as much as people think.
That's why it's a misconception of the.
Most gorgeous summers. It's like mild. It's never human. It's like high seventies and sunny all the time.
Hi, seventies in the summer. Yeah that is nice.
Wait, but you do get a lot of rain in the winter, right or not?
Well, yeah, we get rain in the winter. But I'm from the Midwest and so I hate the snow, so like when it snows back home for me, it's really a little rain.
Yeah, why did I tell you?
I live. I'm not.
I'm from Massachusetts, but I live in Austin, Texas, and I'm so glad to be in LA because it's here.
It's like low eighties and it's ninety something.
It's crazy.
It's just it's funny. Kathy and I were shopping yesterday and I said to the ladies, wait a minute, I can't wear this stuff here. It's October.
For me.
I have boots out and sweaters or blazers. And oh it gets cool here, I said, when when does your season start? Like when does the temperature.
It'll start getting cool, probably in November.
Yeah, okay, all right, I want to get right to it. Because you are a woman of you have a lot of knowledge. I've talked to you many times. What are some obvious red flags in men that you recognize now and that Susan and I should be recognized that we do, yeah, and we clearly still aren't. But that you wish you knew when you were dating in your twenties.
Oh my gosh. Well, the funny thing is I went on a Bachelor when I was twenty four, twenty three, twenty four, so like I didn't really date much in my twenties. I went straight to Jason.
Good choice, good choice.
There There were no red flags, obviously, no reflection about Jason.
Jason's like the most amazing. He's like the perfect to you man. You guys, it's like oxious and I feel like he gets at at five am. He meditates, he reads, he works out, he eats healthy. He just he's so consistent. He's never rattled. He's the perfect one.
It's Earth twenty ten.
Yeah, it'll be fifteen years in.
I do not just love hearing this.
Were you that good for you? That healthy of an eater?
And okay, god, I like them the opposite of Jason. I like the worst kind of human. I drink too much, I don't work out.
That's why we love you, mom, why we get along.
So has he helped you do a little better for you?
Yeah?
Right, being like let's eat healthy this week, or like let's go out for a walk.
I'm game for if you're cooking five nights out of seven, I'm game for three healthy and two not so.
And and and Molly, I think I told you this before. I don't cook. I literally do not cook. And I go to visit Susan and she's like, you know, tonight. We caught it tonight androw and I'm like, uh, can I just have a salad in the glass of wine?
I'm good, Okay, Well, that's the.
Best kind of friend to have, one that will.
Cook for you, I know. But and I do clean the dishes. But but Susan will say things like, well, what do you want it for dinner tomorrow? I'm like a single man, like, I don't.
But that's something I don't know about your house. But we talk about you know, what, what are you feeling like this week? You know you want to have lamb chops. One food is a big party I cannot handle. Tell me about your daughter.
That's what I want to get into.
Because I was a high school I taught middle school, so I anything questions you got, I've got the answers for you.
Gosh, I know Riley just started middle school. She'll be twelve in March. Grade wild she hasn't had much like drama yet, but I know it's coming.
I'm going to just give you my little pearls of wisdom that I gave to my parents because I was I taught speech to communications in middle school, but my main job was the high school placement director. So when kids finished eighth grade, it was a K through eighth school, so they came to me to figure out what to do. What it was boarding school, private school, independent school. And I'm just going to tell you, the child that you have in sixth grade, you are not going to believe the child you have in eighth grade. That's how much middle school changes kids.
That's why everyone has told me like it just it is the biggest change in their adolescent life is going from middle school to high school. It is we'll see.
I wishing you luck, I'm praying.
Yeah. I mean, girls can be a little not your daughter, but in general, girls can be a little snarky in middle school.
He is a mini me. And that's when Jason looks at me and he's like, oh.
Shit, Like, oh god, why couldn't she take after him?
Yeah, you know what, tell Jason, it's just another oh let's call it ten or twelve years then he you know, until she finds someone else to torment.
So you just have one. Do you want more children or no?
No?
No, I'm done, done, done, But we have time. My stepson, Jason had a son when we were in his previous marriage, and he is nineteen in college gone, that's like a whole other phase. He's in a fraternity. He's doing brought life like it is wild, wild, and he is just the best.
I love that. I love hearing so much. I love it.
I love that I had a stepmom, and I loved my stepmother dearly.
So I'm glad you guys.
Loved hearing that. I think it's a pretty tough, sometimes thankless job, and I don't think stepparents get enough credit.
No, I will tell you my stepmother who passed away last year, and I dearly miss her. She married my dad when she was Are you ready for this? She was thirty two or thirty four and took on. She had one daughter of her own from a previous marriage. Took on five count them, my mother and father and five children, and then my father and stepmother had one.
So do that, maw. She was great.
So you mentioned you just had a house built and you're in real estate, correct, Yes, yes, talk to me about this.
Yeah, yeah, So Jason and I worked together. It has been going great. Like Jason has been in real estate for ten years. He's built an amazing team. We've got about seventy five agents under us.
Nice.
Wait, I'm sorry.
Do you do sales or sales and construction and sales?
No, we do residential real estates with sales or helping people buy and so home. Yeah, and then in the midst of that we built our own home and it's been awesome. We love it.
Do you have any recommendations for first time buyers or some hints you can throw out to people?
Gosh, I think the most important thing is finding a good I feel like sometimes agents don't get a lot of credit, but having a good agent is so important.
Because they understand too.
They're trying to protect you and help you find the dream in your life.
I thought you were going to say, my advice to people, because I'm sort of unofficial real estate person, is by location. Because you can always change the house, but you can't change the location.
Is a great piece of advice.
Yes, I always looked at school districts at that time of my life.
You know, yes, all right, So now we're going to get into that.
You remember this.
All right, So if you can remember back this far, so Grant, season of The Bachelor is going to be on, you know, really almost before we know it. Here, and we're curious what advice do you have for those women who will be on the season or any contestant you know that's trying trying out for this process, Like, I think they really would benefit from hearing what you think.
Well, yeah, I think the most important thing is to stay true to yourself.
It's a you guys know, I mean number one answer.
It just it's so hard to get It's easy to get wrapped up in the environment that you're in. You know, you're cut off from everything, and it becomes a competition. Whether or not you want to say that or not, it is a competition. I think people can get really.
Rapid if it's a competition, only if there's chemistry.
Yeah.
Somebody I read somewhere one of the articles in Bachelor nation dot com and I don't know which bachelor said this, but recently I think it was somebody on Gen season said it's not a competition because it has to be two way street of the heart. So you know, you're not competing if she or he, you know, who's the lead, it's not interested. It doesn't matter.
Well, yeah, and I think what happens is though we see and most of the time it's the people who end up being the villain on the show. You can tell that they're in it because they just want to win.
You know, Yeah, we have one.
Wait a minute, I was the villain on our show, and I wasn't in it to win it.
I was in it to find love.
We have people that wanted to win.
Oh yes, oh yes, we did have that. Yeah, we did have that for sure.
So justincase you're telling them, be true to themselves, be true to yourself.
Don't get wrapped up in the hooplah and the drama and the fact that you're filming a TV show. Just like going into it with like the idea that this is going to be a fun adventure and what comes to.
It comes from it with great life experience and that thing. That's what we did.
So you it is remarkable.
At the top of this hour, you talked about, you know how much you love Jason, and I love hearing that because that's fifteen years of joy.
And it's more than fifteen minutes to exactly.
So.
And I honestly would love this, you know, for myself and for Susan. What what advice forget others? I want to know me what advice you giving us people to find love? And our forever partner because we're batty now, I know.
But I'm a terrible person. People ask me this, like, how what's your advice for finding love? I went on a TV show, you guys, like, I'm the worst person.
We did too, and we still didn't find it. I think we need another show. There you go.
I want to ask you guys this, like, I just think it is so cool what this show and having like the spinoff of the Golden Bachelor and Bachelor. Do you guys feel like you have this whole new lease on life? Like I just look at you guys, and I see what you're doing, and I see you being influencers and out of events, and like, who would have ever thought that that would happen later in life.
I just we talk about this a lot.
I always say, for me, this being on the Golden Bachelor literally changed my life. You know, my husband passed away five and a hared years ago, and I just for me the hope, the love that this is my second chance at living, never mind just finding love. And I am so grateful that to have this time and make new friends.
And for me, I've always preached it always because I've been behind the chair for forty years and that's like same kind of thing you're talking to people. But what I feel blessed that now I get to tell the whole world. Yeah, yeah, because I'm out there bigger, you know.
And the other thing that we both agree, people stop us because you know, we're together doing stuff.
A lot.
People stop us and say how much we've changed their life for the better. And they have hope now and they they feel like they they're not invisible anymore. And honestly, personally, for me, that makes me feel so good that I'm having a positive influence on somebody else.
We've been given a platform to reach even more people.
Yeah, and you know what, I'll bet you guys are going to live way longer than you ever thought you were going to because you have this Lisa life, this new energy, and this new purpose. I think it's awesome.
So tell me, why are you thinking about closing the door to TV?
What is this?
You know?
I'm here? What's going on? Girlfriend?
Inquiring minds? You want to know?
Oh?
Wow, No, I just you know, wait, if I called you again and wanted to talk to you again, you're.
Going to say no? Is that?
No?
I'm not going to say, no, okay, we know.
I did kind of close the door on everything. It was during COVID we were doing some interviews. They were airing our season again, and I just was kind of over it. Like Jason and I have answered the same questions for fifteen years. That's a whole other chapter of my life. Like I didn't even remember being on the show. So I was just sick of it. And I was like, you know what, I don't want to be this person anymore. I want to close that chapter. It was awesome, but I want to move on and just be Molly the realtor.
Well, that's what we're interested in. What's happening now?
You know? Well, and that's the question you do so much like your how do you balance it all?
You're reality because you don't need healthy I mean nights for sure.
Sugar Keeps are going the sugar red mat.
That's the way to go. That's very great.
But then once we went to the Golden Wedding and then we were on Gen season, it kind of, you know, we got immersed back into that world and I actually ended up really enjoying it. And so I'm not totally closing it. I'm just saying like, no one really wants to see me.
I did.
I was happy to meet you.
That we too.
I you know, so I've watched a lot of Bachelor seasons, Molly, but I'm going to tell you I was so excited to meet you the first time I met you because that was one of my favorite seasons.
It really was, It really was.
He so, so, what we do questions, Molly? We you know, people write in for advice for advice, and we're going to read a couple and see you have you weigh in?
Help us? What do you say? You're good?
First one, this is Sandra asking. I got the ensuas and I need your help. I've been dating this really wonderful man for the past eight months. He and I are both forty and divorced. We both had amicable divorces, but he co parents with his ex. I didn't have any children with my ex. Now that we have been dating for some time and we've gotten serious, we both feel ready for me to meet his thirteen year old son and eight year old daughter. They're both very sweet and they know of me, so this won't be a huge shock. I'm just feeling really nervous. I had a really terrible stepfather when I was a teen, and it's always made me really nervous to be in that role. How can I make a good first impression on these kids and build a solid relationship and the advice would be so great. Thank you so much, love you both and love the podcast. Well this is perfect for her because she's got Yeah.
I love this boy. I think the most important thing is.
My gosh.
I was so nervous meeting Ti too, you know, and he was a little guy, so it's harder when they're older, you know, they have more opinions. I think it's important to come in and not try to force yourself as like the new parent or mom, you know, like it was never my role to take over as mom. It was just to be, you know, another important figure in Ty's life, and just being there for these kids. Even if they're not always gonna want you, they're always there. You know, they may want to gravitate towards their actual parents, but like never My biggest thing is I never gave up, never ever ever gave up.
Just let them know you're there for them. Did I live with you guys?
Did tie that?
Yeah?
So we also share that in common. I lived with my dad and stepmother from the time I was thirteen twelve on. And I remember my my stepmother, as I said to you, was this beautiful, lovely woman. But I'll never forget my dad, who was kind of a pushover sweet mench you know, he just was. He set us all down and he said, you know, he told us he was getting married, and he said, now I met her. They got married, by the way, when I was five, but uh so I was very young. But they when we moved in together. I remember my dad saying, Ruth is your new mother person? No, no, it was the way he's It wasn't your new mother. My mother was still alive. But when she tells my dad dropped a lot for and she tells you to do something, think of it as me telling you to do something. You will respect her and you will. Yeah, And how are you introduced to us?
That is when I was introduced.
So I met him on TV. We were, you know, we were filming The Bachelor's How I met him?
Wow?
And then you know.
When we started doing we dated a long distance Jason and I for about ten months before I moved out. But I think for me, I took the approach of like, I want try to see me as just like a friend at first, and we will build our relationship from them. I wanted to earn his respect, but that's in the coming, and like put down a bunch of rules that wasn't my place or my job, you know. Like I kind of took his lead and went at his pace, and now we have the most beautiful relationship.
Did you and Jason agree on disciplining him?
I kind of let Jason take that at the beginning. I didn't want to be a huge shocker to have this stranger in the house that's not disciplining him. I didn't want to do that, so I just kind of took my time and it worked really really well.
So your advice and the most.
Important thing is like no kid can ever have too much love you, So just shower them with love.
I love that.
Just stay there and just be just be the love. Soandro wish you all the best. Yeah, congrats, And there'll be moments that they're not going to care about you so much and just don't get to her.
There's always tomorrow, right, There's always tomorrow. Okay, let's move on to question two. This question is from anonymous and anonymous asks, that's a lot of Kathy and Susan.
Please help. Oh boy, I'm losing my mind.
My husband and I have one child and we're about six months into the terrible twos.
What on earth do I do?
Our son throws the loudest in caps, most ridiculous temper tantrums. When I get my hormonal migraines. It's actual hell on earth. He shuts down the second things do not go his way. It's so hard to figure out what to do and how to handle his behavior.
It's nothing out of the norm.
Like my husband, mother in law, and I don't think he needs a child psychologist. We're just first time parents and he's very energetic and loud when he gets moody, so he is definitely a handful. I really don't want to let my son walk all over me, but I can't gentle parent. That's not for me. How do you suggest I go about dealing with this with my husband? We're both just so exhausted between work and this new attitude issue in our son that we really need some vice. Love you both, Oh what do you say, Molly?
Well, terrible twos is a phase. It's gonna go away.
Right this too, you shall live through.
Yeah, this too show passed. So I think, you know, sometimes you kind of just have to suck it up and deal with it. But like with Riley, what I would do is just I think that what worked the best is if I was telling her not to do something, crouching down and getting on her level and so then we're seeing eye to eye and then she kind of feels like it's not this power control coming over her if I'm standing over her, but if I get down to her level and just kind of talk to her about it, she was able to reason a little bit better. But Agather too.
Don't.
Well, my main thing is get through this. But five you might call us again, because that was the worst stage of all. But I believe sometimes ignoring the temper tantrum like you can't address and go with them, like you're getting loud too, because they're getting loud and you're shouting or this or that or the third or I mean, I'm a disciplineaire in to a point, You're going to get time out if this continues, you know what I mean that too. It's difficult, guys, you're but I like your suggestion about getting down to their eye level and then try to focus on something else and change their course.
I found, though, when I have three kids, and I remember those years, and I'm being honest, I wasn't always the most patient. And when my kids, I mean, this whole letter is about in caps.
You know so clear, this child is wild.
When my kids got that way, and it didn't happen that often, but when they did, I literally got down at their level so that I could pick them up, carry them into their room, and I would very calmly say when you can behave you can come out of your room, And of course I would sit outside the door to make sure you know, they weren't whatever. But I'd hear them banging around nine times out of ten. You know what they did, fell asleep and when they woke.
Up them so screaming.
But no, no, they were just they knew they weren't coming out, and they would fall a sea.
And then when they woke up.
Have you ever seen it when you're out though, a child taking a temper tantrum, throwing his head on the ground. I feel sorry for those parents.
Their parents. I know's link on airplanes. I never get upset with kids on aeroplanes because those parents.
They can't control it.
I know, yeah, Anonymous. What we can say is this too shall pass. Before you know it, you'll be writing back into us for dating advice for his child.
I say, eat a gummy, just get through it and.
Try to get and sleep when you can. That's the other sleep when you can.
All right, we have one more, and this is also from Anonymous. Excuse me, hi, ladies. I have a big issue with my team. She's been dating her boyfriend for a little over a year and she really really likes him. Their promise up and she of course planned on going with him. However, I have a feeling something is going on with them. The other day, during dinner, I suggest that we go dress shopping this weekend so I can tell her boyfriend's mother what color tie to get him. She dodged the subject and got really moody. She was really short with me and quiet for the rest of the dinner. Then she ran up to her room. I know something's going on, but anytime I've tried to bring it up, she shuts down. I don't care about logistics, tie colors, etc. I just want to be there for my daughter and I want to see her cheer up.
What should I do? Love you ladies so much, Oh, I.
Love this question. We have done. I feel very proud of Jason and myself. We have with both Tie and Briley created a relationship where they can talk to us about anything, and they do.
That's it.
And the way that we got to that point is whenever they tell us something that's happened at school, we don't have big reactions. We just sit there and listen, and so they don't feel like scared next time to tell us something. And I mean sometimes with Hi, we've got to the point where he tells me maybe a little bit.
More like whoa tm I t m uh, but it's still.
So good that he's able to like call me and tell me these things that are happening in his relationships. And same with Riley. I do the same when she comes home with drama at school. It's not like I'm like, oh my gosh, you can't do that, you know, I just I listen. And so for this situation, just sitting your daughter down and saying are you okay? And you know, sometimes they don't want to talk about it, but just.
Giving them a hug.
You're a safe place.
Yeah, and you know, it's it's exactly, Molly, when when you repeatedly ask, at least for me, when I repeatedly asked my children something, the door locked tighter and tighter and so anonymous. If you just sit back, she'll come to you. And if she doesn't come to you, she doesn't want to come to you, you know, you just go.
I would just go and say, I just need a hug. I'm just here, no questions, nothing, I'd stop asking. If you want to cry, you could cry. Just notice your temperature change here, and I'm here for you.
It's so tough, and you know, prom all those milestone high school things are just you'll you'll find out, Molly, for when it's I think it's tougher for a girl, don't you for sure?
Uh?
You know, the hormonal things and all that.
The first wedding, wedding, imagine a guy canceling your prom date. Not that this one did, but you know what I mean. Or he was with somebody else, and that that's life.
That that happened on Joe season with Jonathan. I don't know if you've been watching, but she was going to the prom. I can't even imagine what that's like, but I know when my daughter went to her prom it.
Was cost me a fortune, I said.
I remember saying to her and that she got asked his senior pride and I got seriously another dress.
I remember thinking, oh my god, I paid this much for your promise. I can't hardly for your wedding dress.
It was just ridiculous.
Molly, You've been great, Thanks so much, and all these we love you too. And if we get to Washington, should we be loving?
I mean, listen, if we moved to Washington.
We're coming out house, We're coming. We couldn't move for Susan, I'm not moving there. No, I'll visit though.
I remember being in Vancouver and flying over with the helicopter and seeing how.
Beautiful it is, a beautiful beautiful I'm sorry.
Are you in Seattle? You said, yes.
One of my dearest friends is the headmaster at the girls school?
Is it girls School?
Can I tell you Kathy has a friend in every city in the United States and Canada?
I can't. I just get even Europe. I mean, she's got them everywhere. This woman has been around.
You know what I've always said, if you have friends, it's a good thing. It says something positive. You your friends, well I am your but is it wait to Seattle Girls School?
Girls? What's the name of it Seattle Girls School?
Anyway, I worked with her in Austin and she's now the headmaster, head mister, head of school, whatever the proper terminology is these days. Anyway, Thank you for joining us. Seeing you said hi, give Jason O love and good luck with middle school.
Thanks.
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