Joe and Serena discuss last night’s tearful episode in Andalucía, Spain. They cover the Malta aftermath, the women’s intensifying emotions, and the sweet and silly paintings that came out of this week’s group date.
We also get their thoughts on Joey’s one-on-one with Kelsey A., including the moment she opens up about the heartbreaking loss of her mother. Plus, we hear their take on Maria’s vulnerability, Rachel’s one-on-one, and the explosive fight between Jess and Maria. Was Maria wrong for getting that extra time with Joey?
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Hey, everyone, welcome back to About Your Happy Hour. I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here to recap episode five.
I'm nervous to pronounce the name of the city that they were in Spain.
Well, it's a city in Spain.
Andalusia, Spain is what we'll go with. Yeah, but before we get to Spain in the other episode, before we get to southern Spain. In this episode, we begin the episode kicking off where we left off in Malta at the Concho party before the roast ceremony, because there's a whole bunch of drama unfolding.
Yeah, we talked about it last episode, but all the the Leyah is now inserted herself in the center of the drama with Maria, and Maria wants to kind of over it. But we get to the roast ceremony.
Yeah, I mean we left the last episode on Maria saying, you know, she wants to leave, she's over it. But starting this episode, you know, she's talked to Lexi, she's talked to Medina, and I think she's kind of calmed down and be like been like, no, I'm not leaving. I didn't think she was really gonna leave. I think she was just kind of pushed to a breaking point when it came to the drama. I can't imagine the girls in the house are like, oh my god, can everyone just let this go? Like Sydney's gone, Leah, can you please just let this go?
Yeah, it's like I said, we talked about it, but it's just ridiculous, Like it's so ridiculous. This was like, this is so fucking stupid, Like why why would you do this? Like, just let it go, Like you can be upset that your friend that you met five days ago is going home, like fine, but like the lead likes her, like he likes her, he wants her to stay. That's his decision, not yours, not Maria's, not the rest of the girls in the house, like, respect his decision. And if you don't send yourself home right period, I mean Jesus, So, then who ends up going home? Who doesn't get a rose?
The two people that gets at home are Edwina and Alis said like them both too, like them both. Dwena actually got like a little one on one extra time at the beginning of the seasons, but I guess the relationship did not unfold and then Alison, our twin sister or not twin, just sister, is also gone. We're really dwindling down. Eh.
Yeah, it always happens. It happens quicker than you know it.
We have fourteen fifteen now fourteen girls left? I think, no, yeah, twelve twelve girls left. It happened so.
Fast, does it does?
All right? Well, then they take off, fly all the way to Spain and they start off with a one on one date. I feel like it always sucks. I actually don't think I ever had this happen. I think every date on our season was given through a date card, but when they're traveling once in a while to have the lead like come meet all the girls and be like, guess what, I'm taking one ago on a date. And I feel like that sucks for the other girls.
And I think you always want to want you always want a one on one date, of course, but to get the first one on one date in Spain when you first get there, that's a good one to get.
Oh definitely, this was I was.
Like, this is the if you want? This is the first one. You're like, this is this is the one I want?
Why you didn't want it? In Malta.
No, I would. I feel like Spain's more romantic. It's given like Vicky Christina Barcelona vibe. It's that we you could kind of like, yeah, we started out. Our love story really started when we were in Spain. Ye when I really when I felt the first connection was when we were in Spain listening to the Spanish guitar, drinking Spanish wine. That's yeah, and I feel like yeah. And then like Joey pulls up in the vest but and you're like, this is the date I want to be on.
I mean, yeah, it sounds like it is the date. Give it to who wants this date this week? Rachel or Joe, And he gives it to kelsey A your girl.
Of course he gives it the Kelsey because he's thinking the way I'm thinking. Or in Spain it's romantic and who do I feel the biggest romantic connection with ke kelsey A.
I felt bad for Kelsey T because they have the same name.
Rachel said that. I think it was Rachel's like, oh and you guys have the same name. That sucks.
That sucks. So then you're waiting for the last initial and you know, okay, it's between me and her, but no, alas it was not. She had a moment, she stepped away, She had a few tears. It's it only gets harder, you know, every week just gets harder. I feel like at this point, especially like feelings are really picking up speed. But Joey is obsessed with kelsey A. I feel like I've not seen him this into someone yet, not even close truly. Yeah, Like I was shocked. I was like, what is going on in this date? Like I was not expected. I knew they were into each other, Like I knew he liked her, but like we just saw so much more of their time together, Like he was so affectionate with her, Like he was always touching her. They were always like kissing and flirting, and like he literally just seemed so giddy.
Spanish vibes.
It's the Spanish vibes.
Eddie seems really comfortable.
Super comfortable. Yeah, Which it's you know that mid season point where I feel like the lead is now like more relaxed. Yeah, in general, like across the board, but he seems really comfortable with her. I feel like, honestly, I feel like he's like I think he might be further along than she is on this date in terms of feelings until the end, and then I feel like it's like kind of matched up, but she almost seems more like hesitant.
Yeah, but I think that's kind of I think that's a.
Given because there's so many other women.
There so many other women. There's there's a part of you that like unless you're completely like you're overly confident or you're just kind of blind to it. It's almost it's almost impossible to talk that away, Like there's a part of you that always has to be like okay.
Yeah, like he's into me, but like there's so many other women. Yeah, like he's into me, but what is he saying to everyone else?
Yeah?
But I think he really reassured her. I think they're super freaking cute together. Like when they were sitting in the field and it was like windy, Yeah, I was like, oh my god, this is like so magical.
Yeah, I think they really think. I think he's really into her. I think she's really into him, and I don't think I Like, right now watching it, I'm like she's going to be there at.
The end, like she's definitely fine.
Before I would be really shocked. And then we go to the night portion.
The night portion. Okay, I feel like there's always one thing every season that makes me cry. You cried one is actually like a high number, like most of the time it's zero, but like, oh my god, I couldn't stop crying. I could not stop crying, Like the way she was saying it just you know, for our listeners that maybe didn't watch the episode, Kelsey opens up to Joey about, you know, her parents were in the military together and her mom passed away ten years ago of breast cancer. She was diagnosed, they said she had about six months and she passed away about two months later. And just watching her tell it and the way she was telling this story, the story in itself, I can't even imagine, you know, losing my mom. It is so heartbreak, especially that suddenly and then just her talking about you know, she was young totally. It's yeah, because she said it was ten years ago, and her talking about her dad and you know, seeing butterflies as a symbol of her mom.
You're gonna cry now, you are going to cry now, No, it was, it was, It's okay, it was, I mean, yeah, it's just it's really really sad, and yeah, like you just really feel for its heartbreaking and she she's just seems like a lovely person. Yeah, like she's really nice.
She seems she just seems so genuine like telling the story, like it didn't feel like I don't know, like it just felt like she was really so vulnerable and pouring her heart out and like in the most honest way, like sharing her story and like what she'd been through and like just shared it with like so much love for her mom and like in incorporating like her dad talking to her, Like, yeah, I don't know. It was a really like it's a really sad story, but like it made me like as a viewer, you feel so much more connected to her as a person, and like I feel like it also showcases who she is and why she is the way she is really well.
Yeah, and every season there's always a handful of people who who just come across very authentic, like you really and that, and those are usually the people that are there for the majority of the time. But you you really feel as a viewer, you really feel like you they have let you into.
Their life, yeah, and who they are as a person.
And you feel much more connected to them. And that's definitely what we got from that and do you see Joey just like yeah, like like yeah, it's honestly like watching it, like, I'm like, Joey's falling in love with this girl.
Absolutely, And then at the end of the date she says that she's falling in love with him.
Yeah, and she doesn't say it to him.
No, she says it in her interview. But yeah, it's just very sweet and romantic. And I'm excited to see where their relationship goes because I think it's definitely like a front runner at this point.
Yeah. Now they could always look back and be like, you remember our first date in Spain.
There you go, there you go, Joe's dream. Unfortunately we do not have that.
No, well we did go to Spain.
We did go to Spain. Yeah, we did all the things. Okay, moving on to the group date, they had like a painting activity. I feel like usually their dates like tie to where they are. Yeah, I guess you know the creative parts of Spain in a way. But they had to paint a photo and then write a sentence to describe the photo that went with it, and they had to present the photo and everyone like guess what the photo meant? YadA YadA yadda, and then they said, like, this is what my photo actually is. Yeah, I feel like Maria was poking the bear a little bit, putting her like two on one in her photo.
Yeah, just a little bit, but like also.
Like she was like, that's Sydney, and I was like, but also.
At this point, I feel like, like go for it, like poke the bear. Like you're being fucked.
With it seems like left right and center.
Yeah, so like you might as well have fun with it. The one person that stuck out to me on this date I feel like.
Was Jen Jen.
Yeah, yeah, I think I think he really I think he likes Jen.
He definitely does. Yeah, she drew the yellow surfboard. Yeah, the little manatee. Honestly, this was just a fun date, Like it was an easy activity for the most part, Like you don't have to be a good painter for it to be fun. And they all went up there and described what their paintings were. Who did the half heart? Someone painted like a half heart and he thought it was an elephant. I was like, dying, oh Kelsey t oh. Yeah, I I also don't know. Honestly, the only the paintings that stuck out to me were I remember Leez because it was super pretty. Mariaz did like the before and after like that. Really I thought it was goods that connected to their relationship directly, like what they'd been through and where they're going. And then Kelsey T did the half Heart, which was pretty.
Yeah.
The person who got extra time was Jess. She drew the engagement ring and the wedding band. Yeah, it was super cute.
I just I don't I'm not seeing it with him in Jess, are you? I'm not.
But I just I feel dumb saying that at this point because she's gotten she kissed him on the first night, she's gotten a group date, row, she's getting extra time now, Like I feel dumb continuously saying I don't see the connection with them, because like there's obviously something there, Like there's obviously a connection, like she like he's validating it. Yeah, but I just don't see it. But I just don't know what my problem is.
But do you see it? I don't see it. I don't. Yeah, but that just goes to show you we don't. You don't really you just don't see everything.
But I see his connection with some of the other girls.
Yeah, well we don't see this one, but it must be there. It must be.
There, It must be there. Leah has a little interview moment where she kind of like makes a snarky comment about Jess's painting, and then you hear her say she will never marry him, but one can be delusional.
Maria also kind of said something about Jess as well, right in an interview, did she Yeah, yeah, I think they were kind of all like, kind of mocking her a little bit.
Okay, so maybe they don't like Jess. Yeah, I can't keep up. No one likes anyone this season. So then we go into the night Porsat the night portion, we see him talk to Kelsey t, we see him talk to Jen, and then we see him talk to Maria, and I think we've talked about how you know, there's definitely sexual chemistry with him and Maria, and he keeps being like, you know, I want to get to know you more. I want you to like open up, and she kind of diverts to like sexy, flirty, fun kissy time. Yeah, which that's great too, but this is the first time I think she's really been like, okay, fine, like I'm going to open up to you. And tell you my story, crazy story, crazy story, like I don't I don't know what I was expecting, but that no, truly no.
Yeah. She talks about how her and her mom got into a really, really bad car accident when she was one.
Yeah, she said, she was basically pronounced dead at the scene. Her mom broke every bone in her body. I mean, I can't even I truly can't even imagine, she said, like a I think a cement truck fell in their car or a piece of cement, so anyway, she's super vulnerable. Opens up about that kind of connects it back to why she is the way she is in terms of her positivity and always trying to make light of things and have fun and not take life too seriously. She also opens up about her mom and how her relationship with her mom Roy it was a little rocky. Her mom hasn't always been able to be present in her life, but they're still working on it. But she was excited for Maria to go on the show, and yeah, yeah, I think I think Maria's gonna be around for a little bit longer.
At least, so we're seeing another side.
It's nice to see another side of her. It's nice to see a more serious side to her. Yeah, and to hear just like what she's been through in life because she definitely it's obvious she is someone that's like always trying to find the fun and things. Yeah, and she ends up getting the group day rose.
Which ruffles feathers.
Ruffles Fathers, totally makes sense, like, yeah, I think it's a joke. She's I think it's good joining you for the rose, like if I open up about something that deeply personal and then he didn't get the rose. Yeah, and he likes her.
Likes her, he's attracted to her, like.
Yeah, he's like he's basically validating, like I really like you and thank you for sharing more with me, and I want you to keep doing that. Yeah, but obviously, you know, not everyone is totally thrilled.
No.
Then we go to Rachel's one on one date, which is a flamenco date dancing.
They're gonna go dancing, right, they're excited about that. I like, I mean, Rachel another extremely likable person, totally. She she's she's very authentic. She just she's just she's one of those people that like kind of lights up the room when she walks in and she seems to have really good energy with all the people in the house as well.
I agree. Yeah, I feel like I've seen her in a few different chats and she's always kind of like talking to someone different and just having like positive.
Well she's something smart, yeah, which which goes a long way.
Yeah, she does seem smart. And I just feel like this is a date that it's like kind of cheesy, like he's in shorts and boots and they're dancing around, and like for me, I would go for like Kelsey A's date of like getting food and going for a picnic like that would be my choice a hundred times over the slimmingo date. And I grew up dancing and I still would watch her.
We're married, Yeah, that is.
Why we're marrying. We just want to eat food in the grass. But she's such a good sport about it. She's really like making Joey comfortable, making it as much fun as possible, even though, like you can tell, he feels like a little dorky. Yeah, they have like their performance and it's cute whatever, it's fun.
I think I think they like I think he likes her.
Yeah, I think he likes her too. I feel like she'd be like, I should be very hard to not like, Like, I can't imagine anyone not liking her.
Yeah, she's she's another Like I don't. I definitely saw more chemistry with him, and definitely, but I would say, but.
I would say Kelsey have also had just more of a romantic date. Yeah, Like they're throwing freaking coins in a fountain making a wish Like that's to me, way more romantic than flamenco dancing.
Yeah, and I would, But I do think I think Rachel's going to be there for a while.
I think so too. I feel like they've had another like good slow belt to like they're one on one and they're definitely only so much closer now.
And at this point of the show, if you get a one on one, that's assurance that he's into you.
Yes, But it does get to a point where it's like, all right, I haven't had like this person hasn't had a one on one. Like it does get to a point where like people start getting one on one's getting sent home on the one on one. Well, yeah, we're not there yet, but I think we're getting close to it.
Yeah, you think someone's gonna get sent home on a one on.
One eventually, Yeah, maybe in the next week.
I feel like they haven't done that in a while.
Really, I'm trying to think, did Zac not send anyone home on a one on one?
I don't remember.
I don't remember either, I remember, but it does happen. It does happen, and usually it's like a week or two before hometowns. I feel like when things start getting serious and the lead starts to be like, hmm, I really like you, but like not ready to meet your family, the connection is not there. Yeah. She opens up about nursing and just what it's like to date someone who's in the nursing field, which honestly was interesting because we've had Zach and Katie on this podcast and she was talking about that as well. Of like the emotional drain it has the hours sometimes she comes home and she's in a bad mood or she's tired, and she just doesn't have any like emotional energy for her partner, and like that's like, that's like real stuff to be talking about, you know what I mean, Like that's things that will truly impact their relationship and their dynamic and their life the minute they leave the show together. If they leave together.
So well, it's a very it's a very it's a very intense profession totally, and that that takes it like that it's going to play a part in the relationship least the dynamic.
But she's definitely thinking about, like life with Joey outside of the show, if she's bringing that up. Okay, Rose ceremony last, but not.
Least roast ceremony. Here we go.
Now they showed him talking to so many girls. I usually write down who they show Daisy, Jen Kelsey, t Autumn, Caitlin, Maria.
Okay, but now we have say what where the drama is and what we could talk about is we see Maria go talk to Joey, we see Jess get upset, and it's kind of like, like, how do we feel about this?
I don't I don't know. I would like to hear your opinion first, because Maria comes back sits down. Are you talking about Jess being upset? Are you talking about the interaction between Maria and Jess.
I'm talking about Jess being upset.
Okay, and Jess is upset because Maria already has Rose, which just to be clear, she didn't have a one on one it was a group day rows, So she hasn't had like more time than anyone else really at this point, but she is safe. She does have the rose.
Yeah, And I think just because like like every like not everyone gets the same amount of time because the lead chooses to spend more time with others. But if but you still as a whole, you don't get that much time with him. So regardless if you have a rose or not, and you have an opportunity to talk to the lead and to hang out with them for five ten minutes, you take it, regardless if you have a rose or not. Right, it shouldn't be oh, no, I'm safe this week, because the lead may look at that as like, oh, once she has a rose, she doesn't care.
Yeah, she's not putting in any effort, And I I.
Just feel like it's I feel like, I mean, it's coming across as jealousy.
If I'm Maria and I get the opportunity to go talk to Joey for a little bit at this cocktail party, there's no way I'm gonna and I'm not gonna go out of my way to like steal time from someone who hasn't had it. But like if the opportunity presents stuf where it's like, hey, you can have five to ten minutes with Joey or Joey wants to talk to me or whatever it is. I'm not gonna say no, no, no, I am okay, thank you. I do not wish to speak to him tonight. He hasn't talked to Jess. You should go grab her instead. Yeah, Like there's no way because at the end of the day, like you already get so little time, and Maria and him just went through a big thing. Every minute counts like I would. I think Jess is in her own head about her relationship with Joey. I think she's kind of been on this like roller coaster feeling good, feeling not good. We've seen it like for a few weeks now a bit, and I think she doesn't like Maria. It seems like either there's quite a few girls in the tests that don't like Mariett. It really looked like it was only Sidney for a while there, but there's definitely a group of them, and I think if it was someone else, she might have let it slide. But I think she doesn't like Maria. I think she's panicking about her relationship. And I don't really fault Maria for talking to Joey at all, to be honest, Like, just because you have a rose does not mean that you don't have a right to speak to the lead until the following week. It just doesn't.
Yeah, And then yeah, yeah, I know we're on the same page, and I don't. I don't. I just I don't.
And again, it's not like she had a one on one, so it is different like if she even if she did have a one on one to win culture, I faulter even less because it's like she got the same amount of time everyone else did on their group date and Jess was on their group date, and Jess got extra time because she got that special time with like the painting thing.
And then we see Jess confront Maria, which, like Maria is definitely well equipped to take on a confrontation.
Definitely, Maria is has handled every confrontation very well and this one is no different. I feel like she's someone if you're gonna go at her, you're gonna go up against her, like you better be prepared because she is not someone that's going to back down.
Yeah, and then you see Jess kind of.
Like not she really snapped it Jess though, Yeah, and.
Then you see Jess kind of like that's That's what I'm saying, Like, if you're you have if you're going to go up against Like I.
Think that's the maddest I've seen Maria. Yeah, like the sharpest I've seen her with one of the other.
Girls, and you kind of have to be yeah, like you have to be prepared. Then you see Jess caller a bit as she's walking away, and it's kind of like, all.
Right, Yeah, it's definitely the most Sydney and Maria had some like really long, like aggressive fight, but like that was the most heated fight I've seen yet this season, even though it was super short, Like the two of them went at each other like hot for two seconds and then like Jess walked away. Yeah, so that was interesting to me.
And again it's it's the same like I feel like, yeah, Leah and Jess, that's like the attitude of like, we need Maria out of this house. But now, no, you're never gonna You're never gonna be there at the end because you're focusing on the wrong thing.
Yeah, we see Lexi say that she thinks that Jess is a little bit jealous of Maria. Yeah, and like at the time she's getting with Joey, the reassurance she's getting with Joey with these roses.
Well, we'll ask we'll ask Lexi that too, because she's coming on the podcast, so we'll definitely get more into that. Nice.
Nice Okay, Well we oh the season. The episode did end with the super tease, which we always get mid season, like the big teaser for what's to come. Yeah, which it looks good, it looks juicy. It's funny because the beginning of the season, I remember we said, like, it doesn't look like there's that much drama, Like it looks really romance heavy. There's been like a lot of drama this season with like not really any end in sight, because like I feel like as long as Leah, Jess, and Maria are all still there, things aren't about to calm down anytime soon.
Yeah, I'm curious. I think everyone now is just kind of like, what what's gonna happen with Maria? Yeah, truly, where's this gonna go? Where's this story going? Yeah? I mean you know, I see, yeah, we'll see, we will see. Okay, and then we have two people that do not get roses and it's autumn. Who's you know, seems so sweet and you just just probably didn't have a connection with the lead. But I could see her being someone that they cast for Paradise.
Yeah, she's the first person in my top four predictions that is now gone. But she seemed really sweet.
Yeah.
I think there just wasn't a romantic connect with her and Joey, but I wouldn't be surprised if she's in Paradise. And then we also said goodbye to Medina. Yeah, who's another person I could see in Paradise as well. Yeah, because she seems like she's ready for commitment and a relationship and she's really pretty.
Yeah, and I feel like she Yeah, it was a little bit of a rough goal with all this, Like she said, she said one thing that she probably regrets saying in that and.
That one comment that she made.
Started like it was the beginning of all this drama.
Truly, and I just think she got the short end of the stick because, yeah, her one comment dragged her into something she didn't want to be involved in. It seemed like for like weeks. But I also think had she not said that comment, the drama weveen Sydney and Maria would have unfolded some other way.
Yeah, it would have made probably made more sense too, hopefully.
Oh my god.
Yeah. So that's yeah, that's it.
Now we're down to ten people, dwindle.
Down, okay, Yeah, make sure you guys stay tuned because we do have Lexi coming on later in the week. And thank you very much for listening to I Bet for hapy'aur and don't.
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