Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena dive into the stories of Golden gals Peggy and Natascha. We hear all about their time on “The Golden Bachelor,” the friendships they’ve made, how the show has changed their lives for the better, and so much more!
Hi, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Serena, I'm Joe, and we are here with another her Story episode. We have exclusive interviews with some of the Golden gals that you haven't gotten the chance to know, but you will today, and we are starting off with Peggy, who we didn't see much of but we're excited to talk to.
Let's get into it. Peggy, welcome to Bechler Happy Hour. How are you.
I'm great and so nice to be here.
And I just want to say that I truly adore you, both Joe and Serena as a couple and the way you got together.
I'm Bachelor in Paradise. I just loved it.
Now I have to watch it again, that episode because once you meet the people, it's nice to just watch it all play out again.
Oh my gosh, do it.
Thank you so much, Peggy. That's so nice. I don't think we've we've never watched back our season. We were talking about this recently, if we would like watch it back. I think eventually we've all we've watched we watched back.
I think like the engagement once.
Yeah, I think I'm gone. Okay, I think I'm good. We lived it, yes, right, right, So Peggy, where where do you live? Where are you in the world?
I am in East Haven, Connecticut. It's a shoreline town. It's beautiful here, and it's ten minutes out of New Haven. I'm sure that you've heard of Yale University, and we have a great city and we have the best pizza in the world.
I was going to say, okay, so, I mean, I've heard of Yell, but I don't really care about Yell. You know, I care more about the pizza. So what is And I know it's a very heavy debate, but what is your favorite New Haven pizza?
It is a big debate and mine is modern pizza and it always will be.
Okay, So that's kind of I've been hearing now is it's a modern right, and that's how it's spelled.
Now, just moderniza.
Okay. But who's been there around the longest? Sally's.
Sally's is, Yes, Sally's is the longest. I think that piece is right behind them. But there's a documentary about how the pizza came to New Haven, you know, from the ancestors in Italy, and a very good friend of mine wrote the documentary and it's really it's really great.
So it's a lot of history behind it.
Wow, that's so interesting. I'm going to get out of the shower today and Joe's gonna be watching it.
For sure.
I'll have to go. I'll have to go. I'll have to take the train to New Haven if.
I do that.
Okay, So let's talk about how did you get on the Golden Batchelor.
Well, it's a story, and I'd like to say that I had a part in it.
I sent a video in.
The spring of twenty eighteen, ok showing myself and at the time, I was sixty four and saying that it would be so great to have a bachelor show for older people, and that circumstances bring us to being alone at this age and it's very difficult for us to meet people and find love. And so I sent this video in. At the end of the video, I said, and just like fine wine, I get better with age. And so I sent the video in. I don't know if anyone ever really saw it, but I'd like to think in my mind that maybe I put that little influence out there, because in twenty nineteen they advertised it during you know, one of the Bachelor shows and I've been watching for twenty one years, so I applied right way, and then of course COVID.
Hit and it was gone.
And then when it came back in twenty one, it was again for the young people, so we joked about it.
We said, well, they'll never have it.
For us old people because they're probably afraid we're going to die of COVID.
So anyway, and then it just continued.
So I applied again in twenty two when they started advertising again, didn't hear anything. So I applied in February of twenty three, and then May I saw that there was a name for it, the Golden Bachelors. So I had gone to a wedding and I was so frustrated because I went to the wedding by myself and I looked gorgeous, I must say, because it was.
A formal wedding. And I said, that's it.
I am applying one more time, and I did, and four daytes later I got the call. So has been a long journey to get to the Bachelor, but I'm so glad that I did.
Yeah, that was that beginning. You're not the first woman we've had on this that applied back in like twenty eighteen and then and then COVID really stopped it. I mean for our listeners, I'm assuming it's going to be much easier from here on out because the show wasn't in existence.
And not yeah it was.
It was a new show, so the first time it's ever happened, so you know, there was I'm sure they had a ton of people applying. They had to be really really thorough with casting, and then they've been you know, the people have been applying for like four years.
I literally, I've said it on this podcast before.
I was like, this show is never gonna happen, like they have been casting for this show for years and years, like they were casting for the show before I went on The Bachelor.
After I went on The Bachelor, still no Golden Bachelor.
And then it came to existence, and think, gosh, it did because it's really stolen the hearts of the nation.
As in it, it really hasn't. I'm so thrilled that I was a part of this, Like we said, we've made history, and yeah, I was very pleased to be a part of this.
What do your family and friends think about all of it?
Well, I don't have immediate family they've passed on and I don't have children, so I didn't have that blessing. But anyway, my cousins didn't know because they knew that I had applied, but they didn't know that I was accepted because we had to keep it secret, and only my best friends knew if I made it to hometown. My best friends were the ones that would be here, and they were so so excited for me because they've been with me for thirty five to forty years, and yeah, these best friends are like my family. So they were so excited. And you know what they said was when I was packing, they said, just have a good time. If you fall in love, that's a plus to the whole thing. But we're just so excited for you that you're going to experience this and just enjoy it.
So, yeah, that's amazing.
That's great advice. You know, if you fall in love, that's a that's a plus.
Yes, great perspective.
So when you're looking back, looking back at night one, in stepping out of that limo, what were you what was going on in your head and meeting Gary for the first time.
I was so excited in the hotel room. I really was, because seeing him, I'm good morning in America. I thought that he was so handsome but down to earth and very nice, a gentleman. So I was so excited, but I was so nervous, and I just wanted to make sure words came out of my mouth. And that was what I was most nervous about, because I hadn't dated in five years, So even just making a presence in front of a handsome man who was so nice kind of, you know, put a little fear in me. And then when the door opened up the limo and I saw the wet cobblestones that are uneven, and I had four inch heels on that I hadn't born in five years, and I really got more nervous. So at that point, I just wanted to get up to Gary. And there's all these bright lights in your face, and I just wanted to get up there without falling on my face. So by the time I reached Gary, I was so nervous I couldn't even talk. And he took a hold of my hands. He really made me feel comfortable and we started a conversation and I felt so much better at that point.
Do you think there was a connection between you two that first night, I.
Think, you know what, Yes, I think there was a connection as far as I can't say if he had that connection with me. I liked what I saw, what was standing in front of me. And obviously, I mean some people can have an instant love attraction that doesn't happen for me. I was attracted to him, but I need to get to know the person, and so that would have to follow.
Yeah, what were your thoughts on the other women in the house when you first got there?
Oh, so there was already a limo that arrived before mine. So as soon as we walked in, the women that were already there were so welcoming. Right then, the excitement that I had it was just overwhelming because everybody who like jumped up off their seats and came to greet, and they did it for the next one after me. And that started the bonding right away, because as soon as I sat down, started talking with a couple of women and that just continued the whole night. I mean, we just had so much time to do that, and we really connected with each other and really bonded with each other, and it was so wonderful, it really was.
Yeah, it's great.
Which of the women do you kind of still chat with.
So Natasha and I are in contact. She's in New York, so she's not that far. And Anna she's in New Jersey. So we are actually planning to meet in the city in a couple of weeks too. Yes, I love this city in Christmas time, so that's our plan. Renee may join us. Jeanie was trying to, but there are any flights available from Nashville, So whoever wants to come, that's the plan. We just want to get together and enjoy the city.
What do you think you guys will do? We go, we go out to a bar or a restaurant.
We live in New York, just for a that's right.
Well, first we have to do Fifth Avenue, Saint Patrick's Cathedral, Schwartz.
I don't think it's there anymore.
But maybe have a cocktail at the Plaza Hotel, do Central Park.
There's a lot to do and see.
Yeah, you're going to be busy. You a full day.
Yes, go to where the tree is in the ice rink. Then of course get to a happy hour. There's actually I just saw there's a bar that's the most decorated bar.
We're going. We're going this week.
I think with our friend Natasha, we wanted to go together, all three of us want to go. Last year we never made it. There's a few There are like five Christmas bars in New York.
The main one is ralfs Can.
That's yeah, just.
It's decorated all year round, like it's decorated for Christmas all year, but obviously Christmas is its most popular time.
Is it hard to get in there when we get in.
So if you're gonna go, you should go like when it opens.
Yeah, I think it's difficult. Yeah, there's always a line.
There's always a line.
So if it opens, I'm not sure what time, but if it opens at like four thirty, I would go, like four or fifteen.
That's good to know. Yeah, but that's on the list. And then we'll figure out a dinner place. Anna know some really nice restaurants in the city. So yeah, it should be a really fun time. I just take the train in and I'll probably take the train back home no matter how late.
It is so nice, that's so exciting. Christmas in the city is so.
Fun looking looking back, looking back on your journey on the show, and I know it didn't last too long, but you did. You did get that first and you did get the rolls the first night. Do you have any regrets? Is there anything you wish you would have done different?
Well, first of all, I never have regrets about anything in my life. But in hindsight, yes, you know, this whole experience is so new.
If I was in it again, I know the changes I would make.
Regrets. I don't have regrets, but I would make changes. I think I would be more vulnerable and open up a little bit more. I'm pretty private person, so it takes me a little bit to open up about my life or you know, things in my life. So the date that I had with Gary on the Bronco tailgating, I know that I really should have opened up because that date was very special to him because that's how he started with his wife Tony. He told me they used to go tailgating when they were teenagers because they didn't have a lot of money, and surprisingly enough, the love of my life who passed away, that was our favorite date. So when that happened, I think it just shut me down and I didn't share that with him.
But yes, we had a jeep and we drove to the.
Water side and we had a nice bottle of wine, a loaf of crusty bread and cheese, and that will always be my favorite date. But I haven't replicated that with anyone. And it's been twenty two years since Joe passed. And it's good that you should and I should have said this to Gary. It's good to keep memories alive, but move on and make new memories.
And it was good that he did that.
And but yeah, so changes I would make, because that's something I would tell someone if we, you know, fell in love and got involved and I don't always open up right away like that. That's the only change I would do.
Yeah, I think that's you know, it's very overwhelming going on the show and meeting someone and you know it's a short time period, it's so fast, so opening it up that quickly can feel so intimidating. But I feel like it's a good lesson to take away of just you know, being able to connect with people like that because.
You keep thinking, oh, I'll tell him this next time. Yeah, but now I realized, like that, you know, the next time.
May not happen because you don't have that much time to begin with with each other. And then yeah, then you lose that next time by not opening up.
So, yeah, what are your thoughts on Gary and Teresa and the fact that they are getting married?
That I am so excited for them. I actually reached out to Teresa to congratulate her, and she was so funny. This was yesterday, and so she didn't answer for like an hour and a half, and she apologized. She says, I'm so sorry, I've been so busy. I'm sorry it took me so long to answer. I said, are you kidding? I said, some of my friends don't answer me till the next day. And so, but she really appreciated what I said to her, and you know, I told her that they look so happy, they look so in love, and it's like a dream come true, and they just looked so good together. And I was so excited for her and for Gary. And so she said, when I get home, can I call you? And I said, listen, you have enough to do right now. I said, don't worry about me. We'll catch up at some point. And so anyway, yeah, I'm sae.
They do look so in love. They really do.
They really do, and it just seems like a fantasy.
It just like this really happened and they're so in love and yeah, it shows that this can work.
Well it does.
Yeah, yeah, well, Peggy, before before we let you go, what what are you looking for in a man?
So?
I want someone who is well, first of all, honest, I've had a lot of dishonest in my past relationships. Someone who's kind, fun, sense of humor, and I just adventure. I want someone that wants to travel with me. I love traveling, and yeah that's about someone who loves to cook with me. I think that's so romantic. I love cooking and just open a bottle of wine we cook together.
I love that so nice.
I like that too.
Well, Paggy, thank you so much for taking some time out of your day and coming on here Happy Hour. We really, we really appreciate it, and thank you.
Yeah, thank you. This was wonderful.
Thank you for having me of course.
Cours Natasha, welcome to Happy Hour. How are you?
I am amazing and so what both of you?
Oh, thank you, welcome back.
We had you on one time before after the woman tell all, and it just wasn't enough, so we had to bring you back to chat a little bit more.
Yay, I'm here for it. Bring the questions on.
All right, let's go where. I think we know this already, but you are. You're on the East Coast corract.
I am.
I live in Harlem, New York City.
Okay, nice, A lot of a lot of East Coast girls from your season, and then a couple in La California.
And let's get into what do you do? What do you do for a living? I know, I'm pretty sure we might have asked you the serrity, but let's get back into it.
I am a pro aging coach, so I teach women who are entering midlife, are in mid life and or beyond to embrace embody this second season of life so they can live a vivacious, exciting and limitless second season. Oftentimes, women come into the stage of life and they start thinking they're old. And the average age of women in this country is eighty, So how can you think you're old? At forty? You got a forty more years to live, and on and on, like if you're fifty, you got thirty more. And we can do a lot in this stage of life because we're connected. We can have relationships and we're able to make our dreams come true because we have connections to do.
So do you get that a lot?
Do you get a lot of women that are that are in their early forties that come to you.
I have women that are in there, I would say, late mid to late thirties that really want to know a lot about this stage of life so they can be prepared for it, because most women are not prepared for this stage of life. So I have a lot of them asking me questions about this stage of life. They're not necessarily my clients, but I get a lot of questions.
And then what does it look like?
So if someone comes on as a client with you, what does that process working together look like?
It looks like us meeting about twice a month.
I give them a we figure out a coaching plan, and that's our roadmap to achieving anywhere from one to three. I want to say outcomes and not goals. The goals up takes us to the outcomes that they want to have. And so let's just say, someone say I lost my purpose. I don't really feel like I know who I am anymore. I want to get back into life and feeling full about life. I just don't feel excited about the things I used to feel excited about. And I would go okay, and then we would meet and we would talk about what they may have always wanted to do but they put on the back burner because they were a wife, they were mother, they were a career woman, or all the things that come with you know, the early stage of life. And then we set up a plan where we set goals in place where by this date you'll visit five different things you wanted to do, whether it's ice skating, paint or take singing.
Lessons, yeah, you know, stuff like that.
So they then we will talk about what they discovered and also maybe they want to build a new network. They may have moved to another state or city and they don't know anyone, and so we talk about how they can network. So it really is setting them up to win, because most people don't know how to start over. And this is a stage of life where you back basically reinvent yourself.
Well doing this for a profession. When you were in the mansion with the other women, did work, Did you have any conversations did you guys ever touch on this topic at all?
We touched on Uh, there was uh, you know Peggy who is so lovely, and Peggy.
Was sure meeting her out in New York pretty soon, aren't you Yes?
Podcast?
So Peggy was saying she's a cancer survivor and I said, no, Peggy, you're a cancer thriver.
And she was like, oh my goodness. The Tasha.
So she was so like, you are so right. And language is key in this stage of life also because we have these words like old and you know, we'retired and washed up, and nobody wants to be old. Nobody wants to be washed up, and we're forgotten about in this stage of life. We're not in the media, the advertisements, commercials, movies. We're just not really seen a lot. That's why The Golden Bachelor was so awesome because people got a chance to see that women in this stage of life between the ages of sixty and seventy five, that we're still vibrant, we're vivacious, we're interesting, we're fun, we're silly, we play, we do all the things, and so.
Languaging.
And I was speaking even at another time with April, we were talking about just relanguaging how we perceive or look at things right, So you're not getting old, you're aging and excellence right, just because you're fifty doesn't mean you can't start something new. Age is just the number. It's not a limitation.
It's a glass. It's like the glass half full theory, essentially.
Right, right, and the glass is always full even if it doesn't have a liquid.
In it, it has air in it and it's full of air.
Wow. See wow, there you go. That's a professional speaking right.
Now at that. What did you do before you became a pro aging coach?
Well, that is a that's a loaded question, but I'll for you. Yes, I was actually a personal trainer, a fitness professional. I have over twenty certifications in the health and well street. And before that, I was a dancer. I graduated from the famed School of Performing Arts. So I'm a trained dancer and I danced here in New York City and I did African dance for fifteen years. I trained at Alvin Eli. I trained it dance. Get over whow Yeah? So ah, So my history starts when I was a toddler with my mom who had a yoga practice, and I was her yoga partner in the studio called our living Room Floor.
Nice that's actually yeah, what do you are you doing? Are you dancing or doing anything? Now? Like what do you do.
In my living room?
I cut the rug in my living room. But I'm not really dancing professionally now. My focus really is I loved the walk in the park. I like to exercise, and at this stage of the game, to be quite honest with you, my body is really talking to me from all the years of dancing, right.
So I do kind of low impacts activity.
Yeah.
My mom was a professional dancer, and she also is like, I'm paying for it now, like I am paying for whipping my head back and forth, for kicking my leg too high.
She's like, I am.
She doesn't have any regrets, but she's like, I'm feeling it in my VOD.
And you want to maintain your figure.
So you can't work out as hard as you like. I can't work out as hard as I used to. However, I have found low impact exercises that support me, and it really is very helpful to me. I do a lot of walking, especially you know, New York is a walking town, and pilates, and I have a trainer. I train with my trainer once a week and we do functional training and stuff like that. So you know, it's it's it's you know it your body is talking to you. So my body talks to me and I'm listening. I'll tell you that much. I'm not trying to push it to the limits.
Yeah, I respect you well.
I honestly I gotta get I gotta start doing more platis because I believe plata is really really good for you. But let's let's cut to the show. When you look back on your entire time on the show, what's a memory that really sticks out to you?
The memory that really sticks out to me is, uh, the Night of Laughter. There was a night in our room. I was in the room with Peggy, Jeannie and asking, so that's April Susan room. Yeah, yeah, we was. It was a lot of big personalities and oh yes, we got along like Peanut Butter and Jelly were. We got along so well. It was so wonderful. And one night they I mean they were cracking up. They were laughing for hours. I mean it just seems like were like two to three hours and it was not that gut busting laughter. And that is so u fulfilling to me. I was so happy, I mean I was. I was knocked out because that was the day we did this shooting out at the with the the clothes and stuff like that for the book cover and all of that, the romance novel.
And I got to tell you that Peggy came to me she siting, Natasha, I'm so sorry we were laughing keeping you up.
I was say, girl, please, if I had to stay in a room with a bunch of women doing something, laughing is one of them, because that beats arguing, fusting, cry over anything, and that sticks out most to me like that.
I like that, That's good.
I think my dad always has a good perspective on that, Like if people are laughing, even if they're being loud or annoying whatever, He's like, laughter is great. Like they're happy, they're having fun. Like that's always a positive thing to be around.
If there is another season of The Golden Bachelor, what advice would you give women who are going on the show for the first time.
I would say to the women who are going on the show for the first time to be open, don't be so serious, be lighthearted, have fun, have no expectations in terms of like we have a lot of times we formulate things in our head how we wanted to be. Have no expectations in that aspect and be open to meeting people and having fun.
It's for me, I feel like we.
Were transported back to a younger side of my our lives right So for me, it was like I was transported back to being in my early teens, my early twenties, late teens, where.
I got to meet people.
I was open minded, it was fun, there was no judgment. We allowed people to be who they were. I feel like in the space of like, you know, people are people, people be peopling, and we, you know, kind of like allowed them because there was no real investment. There was like this is in my house. I'm here to have funds, like I'm on a vacation or a sleep away camp. So you kind of like let things roll off your back. Be open, be willing to have fun, be willing to try new things. Be willing to share, you know, your life, experience, your stories with people. So many women share their experiences and your.
Story.
You know, I come from a generation where our parents were very secretive, so we have a level of secrecy to us. So just be willing to share your story. You'll find out that you may share something very similar to someone in the house. I heard stories that were very much aligned to.
My life.
You know children, problem children children, your children, they do things, they get on your nerves and you know, whatever misbehaving or you have, you get to share your stories and even health stories or experience you may have had in other relationships. It's you're not in a vacuum. And when you share these stories, it also brings us together because we see we have a lot in comment.
Yeah, I feel like that's what a lot of people love about reality TV is seeing themselves on their screen and being able to say, like, I went through that, and you know, now I'm watching this person share their story and connecting with them that way, like when people are vulnerable.
It's so powerful.
Absolutely being on the show and now seeing Gary ending up with Teresa. Thoughts on that, did you see it? Come in like shocked?
I I gotta tell you, I really thought he would have picked Ellen. I was shocked when Ellen went home. I thought I thought I thought Ellen. In my personal opinion, I thought Ellen was was really great for him.
In just my way.
I could be a little biased because Ellen is from New York. But you know, I don't I don't know, but I I know I the last when it came down to Leslie and Teresa.
I really didn't know which way it was gonna go.
Yeah, yeah, what it was. It was so I had no clue it could have went either way. It really was so close to me. It was very neck and neck. You know, they each had their own set of values and.
Pros. You know that they brought to Gary.
And you know, one of the things I said early on when when I left the show is that it's his journey. He gets to choose and pick from whoever he wants to. So this is his journey. He gets to feel it out. And you can see as as Gary went through this journey, he really he I feel like when it came down to the last four, he was really beginning to hone into what I really want is what I really what I'm really looking for, is what I'm choosing for. And I believe what I think it was Christa that told him look for the women you can't live without.
Yes, so that I believe landed with him resonated.
At time, and I really feel like he began to really hone into that. And and I believe the the fantasy suites because there's a lot of intimacy and privacy, there are things shared and said that we don't we're not privy to that kind of tilted tilted him towards Teresa and kudos for her. I think it's I think it's a great match. They have a very similar story. I just thinking back and watching the show. She was really commited and I also feel Leslie was also. They both were committed to really leaving with a partner. I really feel like the rest of us, we really we wanted a partner, but we were really saying, like, is this guy a match for me?
You know, let me you know, is he a match for me? First?
Before I can get really in there, I'm open, but I got to see if there's you know, alignment.
So Natasha today, what are you looking for in a man?
I am looking for a man who is fun and who is emotionally available. He's connected with his emotional emotion. This man should be willing to grow, always willing to do something to improve himself. I caught myself a life learner because I'm always learning something or exploring something to learn about. And I would say I would love that man to be healthy. I would love him to be athletic and really someone who I could talk to who's available, Like I really mean when I say emotionally available, I really mean emotionally available. And I find that a lot of men are not emotionally available because a lot of them don't tune in, don't tap into the emotions.
Yeah, yeah, okay, there you go. I like that. I like all that. Okay, Before we let you go, we do have to ask do people stop stop you on this show streets to hear about or about your thoughts on the chairs for the row ceremony, because I personally think there should be chairs.
That got a lot of attention. When you said that.
It rings in for you.
Oh yeah, we saw your chair rings at move Tell Hall you had those that know, those were great. But look, those rest ceremonies are long. You're wearing heels, hurt your feet, hurt your back. I would be into chairs for myself. I can't imagine how you ladies felt.
I will tell you just to answer the question. People are in my d MS about those chairs. They're in my DMS big time. They hit me up about my DMS and my DMS about the chairs. I have friends that call me and ask me about the chairs. You know, and and in New York because it's such a big town. There's so many people, Like I'm on the train and they'll be staring at me, but they won't say, they.
Won't say, they won't say anything.
But when when I do run into people that I know they definitely asked me about the chance, they praise me for saying that. And I do feel that beyond the heels and standing, I do feel it's important for people to really get that at sixty seventy and above, we just cannot stand for hours, whether it's in heels or flats.
It's just we're just not built like that any longer.
Right. And we just had a whole conversation about the body changing, right, and it's a lot of it's a lot of wear and tear on us. And I feel like to make it even for everybody, you know this, like all the all the producers and the camera men, all the men, I think all the women know, but all the men should put on like maybe a three inch heel and then stand for thirty minutes.
Yeah, I think you're honestly, I think that's fair. I think you're right about that.
And then and then we would get a clue, you know what I'm saying.
Not saying that you need to stand for an hour, just just standing them heels.
What happened an hour?
Yeah, you're right about that.
They should make that.
They should make that a group date on the Bachelorette, and they should make all the guys wear heels and like go do like normal activities that women have to do in heels.
That would be so entertaining.
I'm actually surprised I haven't done that yet.
That would be a great date.
Eventually, they they didn't think about it.
But yeah, Natasha, thank you so much for coming on Happy Hour and taking the time.
You're welcome. You're welcome. I appreciate you having me.
I'm so happy to be here, and I just love the Bachelor Happy Hour, the Bachelor Nation. I want to just say thank you so much to everyone who was on the crew, the producers, the ladies. I met, the women of the Golden Bachelor. They were amazing, and the whole crew and the producers were awesome. I mean they I felt safe, and that's important from me. Someone who's coming from New York City feels safe in an environment that, you know, I'm unfamiliar with. And I just want you all and the world to know that this organization treated me exceptionally.
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