Kat has seen your comments and heard your thoughts, so today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” “Bachelor in Paradise’s” most talked-about beachgoer sits down with Joe and Serena to discuss it all.
Throughout the interview, Kat looks back on everything that has gone down in “Paradise” so far and shares her side of the story (not at max volume). She reveals what kinds of conversations she and Brayden had about their future those first few days in “Paradise,” why Tanner going on a date with Davia was especially hurtful, and why she didn’t feel bad pursuing John Henry while he was still involved with Olivia.
She also responds to viewers labeling her a hypocrite, acknowledges that her ego sometimes gets the best of her, explains why she’s grateful to have girlfriends who check her when she needs it, and so much more. Listen now!
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.
I'm Joe and I'm Serena and we are here.
With none other than the TV maker herself, Cat Cat Cat from Bachelor and Paradise Cat. How are you welcome to Hello?
Thank you for having me.
How's it going?
What's going?
You mentioned you mentioned right before you hop died. You're anxious? Are you anxious for this?
It's been a rollwin of emotions the last couple of weeks.
But yeah, I get it.
Most of that is anxiety driven for sure.
Okay, so we just we Actually we also interviewed Jess and I asked her. Yeah, I asked her this question, which I will ask you going into Paradise. What were you looking for in a partner?
We're starting right off, Okay, let's go.
I would say my biggest thing that I'm looking for when I was going into this is just like someone that can be you know, someone that can be person that you're in a relationship with.
But like even it hasn't changed in Zax season.
I do want a best friend and like a partner I can do life with outside of just the romanticness behind it. So that was the biggest thing, was just to find like a person to lean on and do life with.
That.
I what was your yeah, and what was your dating history prior to even going on Zax season.
You know, it's the usual twenties dating history.
You know.
I had a few serious boyfriends.
I had a few nasi serious boyfriends. Definitely a lot of lessons learned throughout all of it. But going into even Zach season in Paradise, I really hadn't dated so much. I was mostly just spending time with myself and my studies and focusing on like moving and stuff because they wanted to get out of Florida. But I would say it was the most average common dating history you can think of of a girl in her twenties.
Cool, all right, so like maybe five You know, we've got like the.
Casuals, we got the serious ones, and now we're looking for.
There we go like that.
Yeah, so you go down to Paradise, you're rocking, you're green set. Who are you hoping to see when you get down there? And then once you get down who are the people that are like catching your arm?
I was going down expecting and hoping to see Tanner from Charity season and Tyler, and then I was always open to just whatever, like like a wild card, I guess. So I wasn't really going in with expectations. There's always that hope, but I also wanted knowing that they I might not like them. So those are just really the only people that I knew.
Of and like I could like put a face to the name kind of thing.
But generally, there wasn't too many people that were really like catching my eye that first day. And I came in a little bit later, I would say that, you know, Blake is obviously very attractive. He was one of the guys I was looking like, you know, getting drawn too, and then Brayden eventually, but I was really just like trying to get to know everybody, So it wasn't like an initial spark on anyone that first day.
Totally.
This is not like a trap question, even though it may sound like one. Even though it may sound like, well were you were you talking to any guys before the show like dms, having any like casual conversations.
Or even like we saw like Kylie like had her little like.
Emoji moment with Evan, like anything where you were like, ooh, I think this person might be to me, yeah, or like word on the.
Street to people like I, if I could do this all over again, I would be literally texting them and talking to them and being like, let's make this not be awkward when we meet. But unfortunately no, cat Yes, so great because I know, please, but no, I was.
It would have been so great, says no history from this franchise.
Ever, but it just still it would have like used the nerves or you know whatever. And then I didn't want to because I wanted to be natural. But the really only thing that happened, like me and Tyler followed each other on Instagram, and ME and Tanner followed each other on Instagram, so that was like kind of are like, Okay, I see you, I know who you are kind of thing like, because I was really intentional with who I followed. Sean was one of my friends from Tampa because we had mutual friends. So I had been like his kind of confidant coming off the show to kind of help him navigate what was going on after Charity season. But that was platonic and he knew that actually made it right there, I did have to.
He actually did say when he was on the podcast, he was like, Kat is a good friend of mine.
Like yeah, I was like, I'm not going on this this season, and like people like putting that together because we talked as friends like no, no, no, but now I didn't talk to anybody. I was too busy with life and I did want it to be a natural thing when we first met.
Cool smart. Okay, so we see I guess, like the beginning of Paradise, you and Braiden, and I would say, this is where you've gotten a lot of heat for I guess going on a date and then like breaking Braiden's heart or whatever had happened. But yeah, you want to just like kind of get into your relationship with Braiden prior to you going on a date with Tanner.
Okay, this is scary speaking I should scary.
It really doesn't.
Scary in this moment just for what it's you know, but people can see how they feel. Prior to me going on the date, Me and Braiden had had multiple conversations about where our explicifity lied with our relationship. One I can remember in particular was in the.
Pool that day.
I told him like, you know, hey, I I am liking what's going on, but like I will I want to be open with you, like I'm there was people I was hoping to see that I'm here and like I'm possibly like wanting to explore that if they do come, like if you're comfortable with that type thing. We have talked about it, and he responded with, like understanding, and you know, we had had a lot of conversations about where we saw our or at least where I thought we saw our relationship going in the coming weeks, because it was day two and even in the bonfire when Hannah asked me that question about who I was hoping to see, Braydon responded with in front of everybody, like, you know, I know that we talked about it, and I'm good in it.
I still want to just pursue her.
So from my understanding, it was like everybody saw that, like he's acknowledging that that's so mature, that's so great, Like we've talked about it, like We're still just going to like we like each other and I'm enjoying what's happening and I'm leaning into it, like you know, having fun and just affectionate and everything like that. Might was definitely very affectionate with him, but at the end of the day, like expectations and like we had talked about it because I always wanted to make sure that it was that we said. And yeah, I would say, that's like where I was at before Tanner came in, Like I was just nearly understanding that we're on the same page.
I'll be totally honest, That's exactly what I like we thought was happening.
Okay, Like I think you're getting a lot.
Of like people saying like, oh my god, like how dare she go on this date? Like I assume we've probably said this on the podcast, but we've definitely talked about this, like to each other, Like our perception of what was going on was you had said, like in the Truth Serve, like I'm looking to go on a date with like maybe Tanner or Tyler if they come down.
We've been down there. We know day two, day three.
Is still so so early, like we were not exclusive by that point, and it's.
Just like give me like a really well a really dirty look there, Jesus, sorry.
God, Well, anyway, but what I was gonna say is I feel like Bryden seemed like he was more locked in on you than you were on him. But at no point did it seem like you guys were exclusive, Like when Tanner asked you on the date, like I was like, yeah, like, of course she's going to go on this date. Like she's been verbal about this, she's been like open about this. And because we only see a little bit, I always assume you've said it more than just what we've seen, do you know what I mean? Like when you see something said once, you're like you got to kind of assume that's been said.
Like and I will say, like.
At that point when Tanner did ask me on the date, you know, there's I guess this etiquette in paradise where like you're supposed to pull them separately and like had that conversation, but like I don't, I don't, I don't know what to do. Like I'm like, after I spoke to Tanner, I came back to the table and it was still technically in a group setting, but I was like, hey, like he asked me, like, would you still feel comfortable with me going like I know the row ceremony was yesterday, but you know, I was having a little bit of reservations. I think, just based on our interactions in the last like twenty four hours. That was like making me a little bit more weary about where a relationship is going to go. But should I have maybe pulled him aside and like made it more personal and and I'm also a little bit more in front of people so that they can have a little bit more perspective. Absolutely, I just I didn't like, I don't know like what to do.
So I'm like, we've talked.
About it, everybody knows here he is saying, okay, I'm good to go.
If he asked me.
Kind of thing, well, what was what was his attitude when you did that?
I was going, Oh, he was like all for it.
He was like, have fun that I'll be here when you get back, like, you know, just very understanding and reassuring that I'm not doing anything that would have the.
Response that I did when I actually did get back.
Yeah. See, I didn't like I was I'm with Serena on that, like we when we watch it, I I was like, yeah, I really don't think you did anything wrong. The only the only time and you know, as a viewer where I watch it and I kind of put you at fault would be it seemed like you were then upset with him being.
But I do think that I do think that you're you've given a little more context of why you were so frustrated. And if you're saying that you'd had multiple conversations about your status of your relationship and where things were going, and you know that you wanted to be going on these dates, then there definitely wasn't a betrayal. It's totally fine for him to feel hurt by that, And yes, I will say you were definitely frustrated with his frustration, but I do think your backstory gives.
More context against you know, in the moment when I was being I come back and like your friends and everybody is like all of a sudden against you, and you're from the understanding of like, but wait, I just stopped talking to him, and he even in that conversation where we broke up, he was like, it's all good.
It's on my computer.
Sorry anyway. So when you know, I come back and everyone is like against me, it was just a really overwhelming feeling in general.
Do I handle well, why do you not to cut you off? But why do you think the girl like the girls like your friends seem to be against you? Why?
I don't know if they were necessarily against me Jess is like my best friend for a reason. She's that friend that will call you out and like sometimes I live in my own world, like I'm literally like in Cat's world sometimes, and like she is the kind of friend that's like, no, you need to see this perspective. And at first I don't hand them contoot well, very defensive, but I come around eventually after I stop stumping my feet, like I'm like, okay, you're right. But like I think it was more her like trying to like have me see someone else's perspective because she knows that. Like I struggle with that, especially in moments that are so like emotionally heightened, and I do feel like I have to be on a defense mode. And I mean she has. They had everybody had compassion for bread and they had just seen him be very upset for multiple weeks or for multiple hours, and then you know he's saying all these things from it's all subjective, but at the same time, like you see someone hurting, I think it makes sense as to why they would have compassion. But I will agree with you, my delivery was very poor. There were some times that I like cringed and I was like disappointed, in myself, but if I can.
Well, I also I didn't say your delivery with conversation was like, well yeah, it just seemed like like he whatever the conversation that you guys had prior, Like, if he is upset, you should kind of be understanding.
And the thing is is that I the reason I remember this happening so much because I've never had someone tell me this before. There was a moment in the conversation where I was like, you are valid like I you are not. I'm not invalidating your feelings right now. And he said to me, I don't like when you say that. I don't like when I don't need you to tell me invalidating my fee And I've never been no one's ever said that to me before, so I was like confused. I I know that what I was trying to do was like the intention was basically not to persuade his feelings to feel any differently, but just like to give some reassurance that I did actually care about him. I did not just want to be there for a rose. There were genuine feelings. So if that's what you're feeling, like, let me like at least acknowledge that that's from I'm telling you that's not the case, so that you can maybe like feel better. I don't know.
I just I wanted to at least tell him that.
And it wasn't to persuade him in any way, but at least give him reassurance in some capacity.
That I hate. I hate the I hate the that this person's just here for a roase thing, because at the end of the day, everybody, it's it's so early on that beach. Everyone out there is worried about getting a rose.
So then I'm curious, if you didn't go on that date with Aniles, say tannor didn't come down, or he asked someone else, how do you think the trajectory of your and Brad relationship would have gone moving forward?
Just out of curiosity?
That's an interesting question. I don't I think regardless of Tanner had so. I think regardless of Tanner had came, I think the relationship would have been ended because when I came back, and you know, I ended the relationship with him, it wasn't with the idea that I'm only going to pursue Tanner now. I even said to him, Tanner's still going to explore I may still explore too.
It's still early.
I just know that, like, I don't feel comfortable with like our relationship growing anymore.
So it wasn't I want to just put my eggs to Tanner.
It was mostly just like I just know that I don't see there being a future with us. And I may have said that like a little too cold, and it may have not came out perfectly and like it was maybe a little direct and clear, and you know, it could.
Have taken him, Well, I rather you do that. I rather you do that than lead a mind.
Well exactly, it gave him the opportunity to actually develop another relationship. If I had led him on for those two days, he would have possibly went home. But because I gave him that open, like, he was able to be with Rachel the next day. Right, So that's kind of where I was, like, I don't want to lead you on. And I could have always seen his story as much as I was seeing mine and taken more into consideration where he was coming from and his you know, motions.
But I was also just like doing the best.
That I can, Like it was a lot that night, and I was overwhelmed, And when people are overwhelmed in these environments, they can come off very like guns blazing, and I at least gave myself grace for that, but I do like can reflect and say that things could have been done differently.
Of course, why do you think, why do you think everyone was so not everyone? I shouldn't say that, but a lot of people on the beach were very gung call in this narrative of like Cat used Braiden, Cat just wanted a rose? Cat did Braiden so dirty?
Like?
Where do you think that came from? Do you think it was?
Just like they watched him be so sad on the beach all day, and like a lot of their compassion went towards him.
I think I'm a very easy person to pile on. Brayden is someone that you can easily have compassion for. He was making it very known to the beach his subjective view of the relationship, and I was not, Like I wasn't running around the beach telling people about our private conversations, and so they really only had his perspective, and I definitely wasn't gonna do it after he put all that in everyone's head. So I just looked like I'm defending myself, and maybe that led to it. I can't really speak on anybody. I do know that I am someone that, like is I come off very strong, So I think that people think it's okay to just like pile on, but like I still hurt, it still sucks. I don't really know, but I do know that he was making it. He was telling everyone his subjective view of the relationship a lot more than I was.
This is going to be a little harder of a question, But what is what is your No? It's not that hard. I mean what is your response? Because there are there are people that say, like, what is your response to people that like you are pretty? You're good looking, and because of that, you're able to get away with acting any way you want.
Okay, my response to that is it's hard, Joe. It will be shown in time. But there have been a lot of moments in my life where I have faced a ton of adversity, and I have gone through life going through hardship and being told no multiple times. I think what you're seeing as a girl that's in her own corner, and that might not be carried very well in TV. And at the end of the day, I came out of the womb literally stomping my feet and rolling my eyes like that is not just somebody who developed these traits over time, Like I have home movies at me at one years old doing that, right, and it's just who I am, And as you get to know me, you know that that's who I am. I'm not doing that at work or like at fancy dinners. There's a time and place and Nefinlee, it's being heightened at a moment where I feel the most comfortable. But I would say that it's a very intense judgment to make on someone just based on what they're seeing on TV or how they look, because it'll be you. I have eternal layers like and I have actually from I've gone through enough time in my life too stand up for myself.
So yeah, and people and honestly, like the situation is very brand new and strange and difficult, and people just don't know how they would actually handle it. So let's jump to the before Tanner ends up going on a day with Davia, where is what is your relationship status?
I don't know that was the problem. So I spent that whole When Davia came in, it was like in the evening time. So we've spent the whole day together. I'd given him my rose the day before, and we've had a very like less intense relationship compared to Braid, And they're two different people, and I kind of usually just matched to the person's energy, so we're not like very touchy feely in general, right, But we hadn't talked that day, like I was seeing out with like other people, my friends, and there wasn't really like any time that he pulled me away where we had a conversation about our relationship at all, like where it was going to progress. So when you see me losing my mind, it was also from the sense of like I just don't even know where we stand, So it might come off like hypocritical and I'm getting karma, But at least in Bradon situation, he had somewhat of an idea of where our relationship stood, and so I really had no idea. I mean, I knew he wanted to be open, but still I gave him the rose time. But before has that changed, Like we talked about this a few days ago, like I still don't know.
Did you want to be open or did you try to have that conversation with Tanner?
I didn't go on a way to have a conversation with him that day because I was like.
Kind of putting the ball in his court to do that.
I had an idea that like, I mean, of course I would never tell him not to go on the date, like he can go, but a little bit more like understanding that, yeah, it's my birthday. We had talked about it, we had planned it, like there was a lot of things that were to dressed that maybe a little bit of more. I'm not with my friends, I'm not with my family, Like I'm here alone on the beach with bugs and heat, And it would have been nice if maybe you tried to put that into consideration prior to accepting it, or at least let me know where our relationships did.
Do you think if it wasn't your worthday you would have felt differently or do you think it was, oh, really okay, you'r a big birthday girl.
And I know everyone's like I have a stick of grown adults saying no, like I will do this for the rest of my life. I'm sorry, but I'm also alone on this beach, like I'm not with my friends and family that I normally I am with, So it's going to be high end of course.
Okay, but like taking a step back now and like looking at it, like it's just unfortunate your birthday falls on the same timeline as your paradise. So can you really blame him?
I mean I can't. I was born on that day and I probably shouldn't have told anybody that it was my freaking birthday, Okay, But at the same time, I think in general, regardless of my birthday or not having a conversation about where you stood when you had gone the rose since we're going to focus on roses in the season, the night before would have been nice because he had all day to do it before.
That date, and that was just and then I feel like you touched on this.
No, I was just gonna say so, like the chat went bad, right, Like the situation wasn't great.
There was a lot of tension between you and Tanner.
What do you think he could have done or was there anything he could have done specifically differently that would have made the whole situation go over better other than not go on the date with Daby, because I think he was probably always gonna end up going on that date. Like is there something he could have said done if he if he pulled you that morning and you'd had a conversation about like where your relationship was going, I wouldn't honestly.
I mean it's subjective, but I don't think that the conversation that we had prior to Cam going on the date with Davia went horrible. I think it was quick to the point, and since like you know, Davia came up and I gave her hug goodbye and told her to have fun, like that's how it ended. So I think if we had at least had some understanding and like at least yeah, touched base on where relationship was, it wouldn't have been as intense as it ended up being. But you're worried that you're gonna get you know, left over on this speech. It was that is your biggest con And in that moment, I was definitely feeling like I just got like he's just like an f boy, And that was just in that moment, you know, where I was.
Yeah, So then what would your response be to the people that are saying you're being hypocritical because you went on a date with Tanner after a few days with Braiden and now Tanner's doing the same to you, and you're really upset about it.
I also feel like you do kind of mention the fact that you had expressed to Braiden where you're Yeah, I don't.
Think the relationships the same.
I just wanted to give you the opportunity to kind of like address to that.
I would say, I mean, everybody is entitled to feel how they feel from there.
That's there.
They're in the relationship just as much as ion and in my understanding and why I think it's coming up. Like I had spoken to Braidaen about where our relationships stood and where I saw the rest of Paradise progressing it and so. But in contrast, like me and Tanner hadn't had that conversation a couple of days. I'd also spent more days with Tanner than I had with Braiden. Definitely more hours. You mean, we had an entire date together, and we had a whole another day together. Then we had whole Roaser Money day together, So there was a lot more hours and time spent of getting to know each other than even in comparison to Braiden. So it is going to be more intensive. Oh and then my whole day of my birthday, So that's like four days compared to two, and a lot of that wasn't even quality time because it was a lot going on.
Yeah, I think the main thing, the main takeaway from what you're saying is that you had a very clear status of a relationship with Braiden and it had been a short period of time, whereas when it came to Tanner, it was a little bit more depth in that relationship, more time sped together, and when it came down to him going on this date on your birthday, you're kind of like, Okay, what's going on, Like what's going on here?
Like it was a lot less clear.
It was, But I can see where that can be like looked at as karma, you know, hypocritical, like all the things that are being said, like you did the same thing. But in my eyes, I did speak to Braiden, you know, like I had talked to him, even maybe it wasn't personal, but we had spoken in at least touch base even that same right before he asked me, And then like Tayner came and sat down next to other people, didn't even come and sit next to me. You know, those are like the differences that like you might not see it first, but like we're there. When I came back from Tanner a nice conversation, I sat next to Braiden and talked to Braiden. That was not like that was the difference. It's not a comparison, you know, it's not a competition on who does this better. We're all just doing our best. I think people forget that we are like twenty year old, like in our twenties dating on this speech with our friends. It's very difficult, and so I don't fault anybody from doing it. I'm trying not to even fault myself. But yeah, I mean we're just we're just trying to survive. We're just doing our.
Best, Okay, So soriving, thriving.
So it's just how it goes.
So Tanner comes, Tanner comes back on a date with Davia, and then you guys have a like a chat and it's kind of like who's breaking up with who kind of conversation. But I guess, like, yeah, where was your head at going into that conversation and then where were you after?
I'm trying to okay, so what I was trying to do the night prior was like just say with my emotions see where they go. If I continue to get like upset that he's not here and like that, like you know, pick apart everything, then like I think that's enough for me to say, like it's time to go. And honestly, my gut was never really like fully leaning into Tanner in general, I being honest, So you know, I went into that conversation being like, regardless of what said, I don't feel comfortable proceeding. Let me just point out that the guys have their roses that week, So I'm breaking up with a guy who has a rose.
Anyways.
Okay, but what do you what do you say to people saying that he was breaking up with you?
Oh? I mean I was probably having an ego moment for sure, like are you getting me? Every girl wants to be like, no, I did the breaking up. Okay, you didn't break up with me one hundred percent that was me. But like I still know in my heart that I went into that being like and that's why I said it because they let him talk first, and I was like I should have talked first.
But still yeah, because once they get it out, once they get it over out.
My ego was being shown in every capacity like for sure being like no, no, no, I did it. He didn't want to be in it either, So then I was like, you know, it ended up being mutual, and I think that's why we can laugh at it now, but it is. It definitely was being shown through like everybody could understand where that that happens sometimes, you know, but I know I wanted the relationship to not for it anyways.
So.
There we go, Yeah, okay, and we talk about we Serena and I actually talked about this on the recap that you know, we believe is a good quality that like you are able to you are able to get knocked down and then and get up pretty quickly and keep moving.
Yeah, I actually want to talk about this before we get into your next boyfriend, but you are now we're about to go into your third Paradise boyfriend. And truly, I don't know if I've ever seen someone with such like persistence and tenacity, but like you really do, like it ends with Braiden and like things like you have like a bad convo with Braiden and then it's like switch flip, like you're focused on Tanner and then like switch flipped, and like I don't mean that in a bad way. Like I feel like there's so many people that, like when their relationship doesn't play out the way they hoped, or like a comvo doesn't play out the way they helped her in their favor, they want to go home. They're like, hey, like this didn't work out, Like how how did you do that? Like where does that come from?
I have a lot of resilience.
I have been told that that I'm a very resilient person, but I just think in general, I've gone through a lot of seasons of life that have contributed to that. It takes a lot to knock me fully fully down. Granted, in these last few weeks, I almost got there. I'm not gonna lie, but like it takes more than just like a relationship with a boy, like to bring me down to the point where I want to, you know, be done with life. But at the same time, I will be honest with you, like those moments of like I look like I'm really mad, I'm actually like having a conversation with myself if I want to stay. Because there was so much that had led to like my breakup in those weeks that like I felt like I was underwater.
It was like I just can't come above water.
But at the same time, like I I'm a very strong woman and I want to always like just put myself first in the way that like is I don't know, just be my biggest advocate. And I think just a lot of seasons of life have contributed to my resilience and it definitely was shown through on the beach, like you're not gonna knock me down, okay, Like I'm gonna do this, and I came there.
I'm breaking up with you.
You who's next?
For Actually, you know, when the when the next boyfriend formed, it wasn't even like who's next, Like I was like, you know what, I had my own butterfly clip and that's I remember being like I'm just a free butterfly, like whatever the heck happens today, Like I'm just going to lean into I have no expectations. I'm just gonna have fun, like I was, like I said, down the leap, so like it was just like natural energy that I allowed in and I just listened to it.
And yeah, that's pretty much I think what I did.
So from your point of view, where did Olivia In John Henry's stand.
I don't I don't know. I mean they were hanging out.
For sure, were you for are you friends? Were you friends with her at the time, or was it just more.
Like no I had I was going through my own obviously things, so like the main people I was leaning on were my girls like Kylie, Jess, Mercedes, even sometimes Rachel and stuff. Even a lot of the boys were like my friends and people are like Blake was one of my confidants that I would like talk through things with, but Olivia was never really one of them because there was just some things that were said about other women that like rubbed me the wrong way.
So I just didn't.
I never really felt comfortable having a friendship with her, like on a personal level, So I never really had any idea of like where her relationships did. But if there was one person on the beach that I definitely did not have even like an actual friendship, it was Olivia.
So who was whore her?
She was friends with?
She hung out a lot with Eliza, that was her like closest friend. I would say, yeah.
Okay, So then when you start like flirting in talking to John Henry, is he just kind of just going back it's does he bring up Olivia or where he's at in that relationship.
I asked him at some point and he was like just saying, you know, yeah, we've been getting to know each other and I like hang out with her, but like he was still I think open to just like getting to know each other. And in those initial moments it was about just I was just like really intrigued by him and like I felt like a weird like attraction. So it was very like just a friendship. And we had became friends over a few days that he's been on the beach, So I wasn't like, Okay, I'm talking to you because we're going to date tomorrow and like you're going to be the person I like.
It was just like no, you know, and he's very easy.
On the eyes, so he is really fun to talk to you and I hang out with and just look out in general. I remember I would forget what he says because he would just like talk to me and I couldn't hear him because he's so attractive.
But I think you said that actually.
It's insane, like it's it's never happened to me before, and I was like, what's going on? So there was just like a lot of weird feelings that were coming up, but I was just kind of going with it. I wasn't really like having any intention or expectations or like fantasies. It was just like, you're like really cute and really fun to talk to.
Did you have any concerns about getting to know him? With Olivia on the beach and like potential confidence there.
I saw she handled the Kylie situation, so I was like, I don't. I don't.
I've had enough pair tare drama. But in general, I never wanted to disrespect her. I never would want to be like in front of somebody that she has feelings for, and I would never be doing that in a purposeful way. But we it's kind of hard in periodus because we're all around each other, but I know I would. There was multiple times where I'm like, I don't want to be doing this because I know that she still likes him, and I would never want to like disrespect somebody. But I was just a little worried on how that was going to be accepted, just based on like what I've seen thus far.
If that makes sense, How did it How did it feel when Olivia then after you're talking to John Henry and we don't know, like the way it comes across us. You're talking to John Henry and then she comes finally comes over that night, pulls him and like makes out with him. What looks like to be in front of you.
Or that was so fun? That was great. I love it. Just because I'm not doing it does not mean that she's not doing it. Like I'm sure it was territorial and disrespectful and blah blah, you know all that stuff, but that wasn't going to deter me from I. I could tell in that moment that that's not John Henry, like that was Olivia. So it's if that's how you if that's how you display, you know, how you carry yourself in these moments, that's fair, not sure, but it's not the Bachelor. So it's not like I'm gonna go and be like can I interrupt you for a second, Like, No, he's a grown man.
If he wants to be there, he'll be there.
If he doesn't, he won't, you know, like he's it's not just like he can make his own decisions for himself too.
So yeah, and how if roles were flipped and you were talking to John Henry first and then Olivia came around. How do you think you would have handled that?
I mean he was hanging out with me, so like if I was in her position and I saw him talking to another girl after we've formed a connection, that's not the like for me, I would never say that's the woman's fault, Like I would be like, okay, like you clearly like her, my ego's hurt. I gotta go like that would be that's but that's how I handle it. But I mean that's not to say that that's like right, but I I just had too much of like an ego and like, like I just I wouldn't I don't think be able to you know, he's he can make his own decision like he's he's.
I guess that is kind of how you like did handle it though with Tanner, like when he went on a date with someone else, you were kind of okay, like.
My egos bruised and normal yourself, which is which is fair? Yeah, I know, I'm very.
Aware of that. There's a lot of things I'm not self aware of, but my ego is one I have learned aware.
Now. I get it. It's it's difficult, it's it's a hard like. You know, I think we're all the same way, and we all go down to that beach, and everyone that goes on the show, we all have a little bit of an ego and none of us want to get hurt, and we all know it's being televised, so we're all, you know, in our own heads and doing the camera crazy.
You You are someone that I and correct me if I'm wrong, Definitely correct if I'm wrong here, But you seem to use your I T M as like if you're like calling your friend to vent after like your boyfriend just pissed you off, or you went on a bad date, like yeah, I'm just gonna have my little Yeah.
It's I'm appreciative of you acknowledging that because I would just like to point out that, like I'm not yelling at people's faces, like I easily could be being at max volume like to them. I just choose to do it in the camera, which I am. My eyes think it's more appropriate, you know, to hit max volume in a separate room and not to them. Granted sometimes the whole beach can still hear it, but you know, it's it is a more of a release moment because I'm like I wanted to probably do that then and I couldn't because I would never do that to somebody. But I am I saying, I'm granting. I don't even think I'd take a breath in some of my rants. Like I like, I speak straight up for five minutes. It's like insane. It's very humorous to watch back. I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes I'm like closing my eyes in my ears. But at the same time, it's it is funny because I just being honest.
Yeah, honestly, the first time you did, I was like, what is going on? And like by like the third time, I was like, I love that. It's so hilarious.
So I we're like, we don't hear your own tone.
I mean like we like we're very I'm Hispanic and Italians, so like, I don't know if that has anything to do with that. I've been told it does. But at the same time, like, yeah, I don't hear my tone. Like sometimes when I'm like raising my voice, Jess will straight up be like I'm lowering the volume like lower and I'm like, oh my god, So like that happens and I don't Sometimes it's definitely amplified on television.
I get it too. You go on that, you go in your interviews, you're and you go off and you're like, yeah, it feels good, and then after you're like that I shouldn't have did that, but whatever. Yeah, okay, So what are your what are your thoughts? We're curious to see what happens between you John Henry and Olivia, But what are your thoughts on Braiden now going on a date with Becka after the whole Rachel thing. Any opinion on that?
Well, you know, I in the moment like that I saw that happen. I really felt for Rachel. She I don't think sometimes like like wants to show her vulnerability and like I could be wrong, but like I think she was hurt. Said okay, I think she's hurting more than she's alluding to. And that hurt me because I'm like, oh, like, you know, but when that happened and he went on that date, I was just thinking, like, Okay, maybe he sees my perspective now, you know.
Like it's and it's it does make you question.
The intention behind what he did a few weeks ago prior to that, like with everyone else, and you know, if you were hurting so much, like you wouldn't expect him to do it to someone else kind of thing. But that's not my place to say. However, it's like mostly I was just like, yeah, I mean, maybe he can see my perspective and I I feel for Rachel mostly.
But it's it is.
It's an interesting situation. I would say, it says a lot. There's a lot of telling parts that I will let people form their own opinions on because I would never want to guide that.
But it's interesting.
We'll see now, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Wait, I have two more questions. I know you're trying to like jump into the game. Okay, So no, you're over time. Okay, So we have to quickly touch on Eliza and ar And so we catch you in a little bathroom chat with Eliza letting her know what you've heard from Charity about air and b What compelled you to let her know what.
You had heard.
I think the biggest thing that people are kind of questioning is why have that conversation so late into like their relationship and why not have had that conversation maybe with Eliza when she first started talking to Aaron.
Okay, there were some things that were questionable about his character, but I was never trying to like deter that or determine like I didn't want to be the person that like makes her make those decisions, right, But at that point, it's not Yeah, I mean, if it's in the beginning, you're still getting to know someone. I'm also like going through my I'm in my own world. So this time I was finally probably able to step out of it. And I'm a girl's girl, like that is who I am. And it's not about the lateness, and it's just like they're getting to the point where they're either going to get serious, and like if I wouldn't have felt comfortable with that, with knowing this information and not sharing it with her at that point, if they were about to like make that next initial step, like she had been like they're definitely exclusive type thing, and I had already seen like her like wheels turning, and I'm like, if I can give you any kind of at least context for what life could be outside of here, this is what I know. That's not in the intention to hurt him, it was just like this is what I have. I'm always looking out for the for the girl and like take it for what it is. But I don't think it comes down to the timeline. If anything, it makes more sense to do it later because that's when things are getting more serious.
Yeah.
No, I agree with that. And then Aaron b pulls you. So Charity and Eliza not having a chat and Aaron pulls you. And from what we see, my takeaway was that he was mostly mad that you didn't tell him about it, which was a little bit confusing to me. But how did that conversation go?
I mean it was just like if he had asked me, I would have told him, you know, like if that.
I didn't think the conversation went bad.
He was very like fired up, and I kind of wanted to just be like, hold on, I'm not against you.
This was not intentionally to hurt you.
This was like me just looking out for one of my girls like that are on the speech, And that was it.
And if you wanted to have a conversation.
About it and you'd asked me about it, I would have been open and speaking with you.
But it's.
He's not like my girl, like she's my girl in like that setting, So of course I'm going to tell her and yeah, I don't know, I don't really see the understand what the confusion is with that. But yeah, at the end of the day, it was never intentionally to hurt him ever or their relationship.
I'm not.
I it's just if people are all talking about each other's relationships. Obviously, I'm going to give some context from what I know outside of the show, because we're all sickly about each other.
One more hard question because this kind of this, I mean, it doesn't contradict itself a little bit as far as like you are being a girls girl with Eliza, but then in the same breath, Olivia's talking to John Henry and you know me, it's.
Not my girl. Okay, she wasn't my friendly beage. We were not Okay, we were not. I was just war It's not that I did not not like her, Like I kept my distance from her.
There was one you were like friendly, but.
Yeah, like I didn't confide in her. There was one girl. I'm sorry that I felt comfortable like going like, you know, not really like having any kind of second thought of who that she was dating. It was going to be her, And that's She's not a bad person. I don't like dislike her. I think she's just not somebody that like I got along with necessarily on that in the beach, and I had way closer friends.
You just didn't feel the loyalty to Olivia that you did to Eliza.
In that situation. Yeah, where you want to, especially since you know I had the information that I had. I mean honestly, even with Olivia, if I had information like that, I'd tell her too. But when it comes to like pursuing another man that they're dating, like, yeah, Live wouldn't be the first person that I'm like worried about.
And you're also not the first person to do that.
I mean, yeah, we're in here too, it's great. And calling me a homihopper was we're all friends, So are we all homiehopping?
Like I'm just confused, like like.
Why everything, I mean, anything I do has to be like put on this microscope and it's like but every single person is doing it too.
Well that's why. Yeah, that's why the rose comment in my everybody because it's like everyone everyone's and everyone all right, let's let's play. We're gonna play a rapid fire questions a game you want to go, sure, just the first thing that comes to your head.
And also easy fun. But it's not about you're.
Good, it's over, it's okay.
Are you more of an introvert or extrovert?
I'm definitely an extrovert. Should probably find my introvert somewhere.
What would be your go to paradise cocktail?
It was a tequila soda with lemon orange.
I have to have the orange.
What it's a good ad. What is the first thing you would buy a few on the lottery?
Oh wow, I mean I would just probably spend it all in like facials and botox and skincare. I don't think i'd buy it on anything specifically. I'd buy myself, like just my face.
What is one night on your bucket.
To see mounta Fiji? I do you want to go to see Mountfiji.
With your air pods? What do you have any dating deal breakers?
Someone who's like just not down to be like silly and weird, Like if you don't get the zoomies, like or if you get afraid of my zoomies, it's already morning, Like that's the deal breaker through me, Like you have to understand that we get zoomies, if that makes sense, Joe gets love too.
What it's like when you just like wait, like you wake up with so much energy and you're like running around. You're like you're out and then you're back in and then you're like jumping on the bag.
But like, I think human's good too.
Like you know how dogs get the zoomies, It's like human, I just.
Never just learning something new about yourself?
What is your love?
Like, I'm all five am, I had to pick one?
Is quality time?
Okay? What is the first concert you've ever attended?
Pritney Spears? Yeah, she was. I was an obsessed with.
Are you gonna read her?
I am once I'm done studying for my boards. She's the book I'm reading.
Yep, that'll be very where he needed.
Yeah. What is the most important item to pack for Paradise?
Hands down?
There's nothing else.
What what moment from Paradise has made you laugh the hardest?
My gosh, there's so many moments, but.
Me getting smacked by the wave is in my brain. And there was a moment right before that where I also face planted the wave like took my feet out and I like went into the water like I was just getting wrecked that day and it was the day I said I wasn't going to get my hair wet, So it was just very funny.
It's that's one of my favorite memories is that day.
That is funny.
What moment from Paradise so far has made you cringe the hardest?
All the comments about tongue and tongue rings and ass grabbing and just like I need to just be quiet, Like I am so overhearing myself to speak without a filter sometimes that anything that's in that realm I close?
What would be? What would be?
Then?
Do you have any like watching yourself back like you're it's they say, like watching yourself actually looking in a mirror right, Like you're learning so much about yourself.
What would you say?
Like, the biggest thing you learned about yourself is whether it's like good or bad or regret.
I would say looking back, even in Zach season and Paradise in general, I have learned that I don't have to always be my number one advocate. I have people I can lean on, and I don't have to always like be standing up for myself and be you know, so ready to go, like and it's something I can tell and just like my conversations.
And how I handle things.
I don't have any regrets because everything I did lend me to where I am today. But at the same time, like I am learning, Like, yeah, there are people like colean on. It's just like I don't need you to be so like ready to like do sup you know when things happen in my life. It's just something I've I've never really I think had to like learn about myself until watching it back.
Yeah, so you say you you've learned that you can be less defended.
There are people in my corner, I mean the only one.
Yeah, that's a great one.
All right, Well, Kat, thank you.
This is nice. It's still anxious, but.
I feel like, to be honest, it's never gonna go in it. But we're doing well and I appreciate you time to talk to me kind of just like get my perspective of things.
It's nice.
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