Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batch and Happy Hour.

Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batch and Happy Hour.

I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here.

I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here.

With the Happy couple. Joey and Kelsey are here. Welcome well, Joey, welcome again, Kelsey. This is our first time having you, so welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour.

With the Happy couple. Joey and Kelsey are here. Welcome well, Joey, welcome again, Kelsey. This is our first time having you, so welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour.

Thank you so much. I'm so excited.

Thank you so much. I'm so excited.

Yeah, this is good.

Yeah, this is good.

Yeah, how you guys feel? You guys feeling good? Everything's good? You're happy? You're still in love or do you hate each other yet?

Yeah, how you guys feel? You guys feeling good? Everything's good? You're happy? You're still in love or do you hate each other yet?

So I am so happy. I'm just so excited to be able to, you know, flaw our love and show everybody how happy we are.

So I am so happy. I'm just so excited to be able to, you know, flaw our love and show everybody how happy we are.

Yeah, it's been a long time.

Yeah, it's been a long time.

These are always some of my favorite interviews of the season because we've obviously been in your shoes as a couple that like met on the show and had to do the whole like keep it on the downlow situation for a bunch of months. So I feel like it's always fun for us to be like one of the first people to talk to you guys after it's all out and you can and finally be together and announce that you're in a relationship, Like, how does it feel?

These are always some of my favorite interviews of the season because we've obviously been in your shoes as a couple that like met on the show and had to do the whole like keep it on the downlow situation for a bunch of months. So I feel like it's always fun for us to be like one of the first people to talk to you guys after it's all out and you can and finally be together and announce that you're in a relationship, Like, how does it feel?

I mean, it feels great.

I mean, it feels great.

We as you said, you know what it's like to be waiting and you just you look forward to this moment, you like picture it. But now that it's finally here, I always say, it's just it feels like.

We as you said, you know what it's like to be waiting and you just you look forward to this moment, you like picture it. But now that it's finally here, I always say, it's just it feels like.

It's like a weight off your shoulders.

It's like a weight off your shoulders.

So we finally get the ability to be a normal couple, enjoy the small things, the things that we've been looking forward.

So we finally get the ability to be a normal couple, enjoy the small things, the things that we've been looking forward.

To, even just riding the same car, Like we're just excited for like the little things especially.

To, even just riding the same car, Like we're just excited for like the little things especially.

Yeah, we were we were in Toronto and we just like we went to we just went to like some random bar and sat outside and had bears and like appetizers and it was awesome.

Yeah, we were we were in Toronto and we just like we went to we just went to like some random bar and sat outside and had bears and like appetizers and it was awesome.

A luxury.

A luxury.

It feels like so luxurious to do like anything together afterwards. So yeah, but we'll get into all of your exciting future plans and what you're gonna do now that you're out and about a little later because we have so much to break down in this episode, so much to unpack.

It feels like so luxurious to do like anything together afterwards. So yeah, but we'll get into all of your exciting future plans and what you're gonna do now that you're out and about a little later because we have so much to break down in this episode, so much to unpack.

Joe, where do you want to start?

Joe, where do you want to start?

Kelsey, because you haven't been on this podcast.

Kelsey, because you haven't been on this podcast.

Let's start with your chat with Leslie, because we were watching that and we were kind of like, oh no, like this is kind of she might get a little freaked out from this. So how was that conversation for you?

Let's start with your chat with Leslie, because we were watching that and we were kind of like, oh no, like this is kind of she might get a little freaked out from this. So how was that conversation for you?

In that moment?

In that moment?

I think Leslie was just trying to give me advice from where she was coming from, with her experience on her side of things. I took it with a grain of salt. There's obviously was more to the conversation, but people always focus on the negative. But Leslie and I had a great conversation. We talked about going through similar life experiences, and she gave me a lot of great advice. But yeah, I just took it with a grain of salt. Where she was saying to, you know, guard your heart, which I mean I kind of was to an extent through this process. You know, I was very optimistic, but I never felt like I was guaranteed anything. And that's how I continued to go through it regardless of, you know, what she was telling me. I just kind of kept going how I was.

I think Leslie was just trying to give me advice from where she was coming from, with her experience on her side of things. I took it with a grain of salt. There's obviously was more to the conversation, but people always focus on the negative. But Leslie and I had a great conversation. We talked about going through similar life experiences, and she gave me a lot of great advice. But yeah, I just took it with a grain of salt. Where she was saying to, you know, guard your heart, which I mean I kind of was to an extent through this process. You know, I was very optimistic, but I never felt like I was guaranteed anything. And that's how I continued to go through it regardless of, you know, what she was telling me. I just kind of kept going how I was.

Do you think that her words and warnings changed how you felt or pro situation at all? Like, do you think it did kind of send you into a bit of a panic or do you think that anxiety was already there?

Do you think that her words and warnings changed how you felt or pro situation at all? Like, do you think it did kind of send you into a bit of a panic or do you think that anxiety was already there?

Yeah, I think that the closer you get towards the end, and you feel all those real feelings, you're going to be anxious regardless. So with that conversation or not, I think that I was going to be nervous going into the final, the final little stint of it all.

Yeah, I think that the closer you get towards the end, and you feel all those real feelings, you're going to be anxious regardless. So with that conversation or not, I think that I was going to be nervous going into the final, the final little stint of it all.

How was that for you watching the conversation, Joey, Because I feel like, I mean, we love Leslie, but when we were watching it being like, no.

How was that for you watching the conversation, Joey, Because I feel like, I mean, we love Leslie, but when we were watching it being like, no.

Leslie, you're going to scare her. I mean obviously, like you said, we only see a little bit.

Leslie, you're going to scare her. I mean obviously, like you said, we only see a little bit.

But yeah, I think she explained it well.

But yeah, I think she explained it well.

It was more like Leslie was trying to explain where she was coming from. We did have more talks about that, not only during our dinner but also through overnights, Like we talked through it. It definitely heightened her feelings of where she was at. But I also think it was important because you have to go through that point of also thinking like, Okay, there is doubt, but does that still make me want to push forward?

It was more like Leslie was trying to explain where she was coming from. We did have more talks about that, not only during our dinner but also through overnights, Like we talked through it. It definitely heightened her feelings of where she was at. But I also think it was important because you have to go through that point of also thinking like, Okay, there is doubt, but does that still make me want to push forward?

Like is there something that I want to fight for even though I have this doubt?

Like is there something that I want to fight for even though I have this doubt?

And I think that's probably what I look at is the positive that it brought out was she did feel the doubt, she did realize what the position she was in.

And I think that's probably what I look at is the positive that it brought out was she did feel the doubt, she did realize what the position she was in.

But knew there was something stronger to like fight for to get to the end. And I think that's what kind of made us stronger through it. And Leslie did the right thing, like it's a tough.

But knew there was something stronger to like fight for to get to the end. And I think that's what kind of made us stronger through it. And Leslie did the right thing, like it's a tough.

Position to be in, oh one hundred percent, And I mean we saw her journey, so I think the viewers can understand where she's coming from. And I also think that that's a great way to look at it, Joey, like she maybe was feeling fear in doubt, but Kelsey, you obviously cared enough to push through that and not let it scare you away.

Position to be in, oh one hundred percent, And I mean we saw her journey, so I think the viewers can understand where she's coming from. And I also think that that's a great way to look at it, Joey, like she maybe was feeling fear in doubt, but Kelsey, you obviously cared enough to push through that and not let it scare you away.

Right, It's important to be realistic.

Right, It's important to be realistic.

I think Leslie tried to make sure she was being realistic because she even said that she'd maybe lost that through her whole entire journey, which again is totally understandable.

I think Leslie tried to make sure she was being realistic because she even said that she'd maybe lost that through her whole entire journey, which again is totally understandable.

Kelsey. Let's let's see the ring. Could you show us the ring?

Kelsey. Let's let's see the ring. Could you show us the ring?

Yeah, it's a little it's so sprightly, I'm blinded. Oh my god, it's beautiful.

Yeah, it's a little it's so sprightly, I'm blinded. Oh my god, it's beautiful.

Great.

Great.

Did you say what you wanted at all?

Did you say what you wanted at all?

I did.

I did.

I said, like certain qualities, like I wanted an emerald cut. I wanted it to be more simple, things like that. So whenever he opened it up, I was like.

I said, like certain qualities, like I wanted an emerald cut. I wanted it to be more simple, things like that. So whenever he opened it up, I was like.

Yeah, there was a little I love it because she does like gold, and there was only like one gold option, but like I knew platinum was like I knew platinum would work, and I knew the emerald cut was more important because.

Yeah, there was a little I love it because she does like gold, and there was only like one gold option, but like I knew platinum was like I knew platinum would work, and I knew the emerald cut was more important because.

She wanted like a longer cut.

She wanted like a longer cut.

So there was a moment I was like, I really hope I'm not picking the wrong one. But when she saw it, she literally showed me later on a picture that she showed to a producer of like exactly what she wanted and it even had like the exact emeral cut, the two half moves on the side, like it was almost the exact same rate.

So there was a moment I was like, I really hope I'm not picking the wrong one. But when she saw it, she literally showed me later on a picture that she showed to a producer of like exactly what she wanted and it even had like the exact emeral cut, the two half moves on the side, like it was almost the exact same rate.

It was a little, I think a little bigger. I think it was the one that we got.

It was a little, I think a little bigger. I think it was the one that we got.

So, yeah, that's amazing. I love that. It's beautiful.

So, yeah, that's amazing. I love that. It's beautiful.

It's so fautiful. No, I'm obsessed with it. And also like I mix, I mix metals, like I'll do silver and gold, so you know, I could just do a gold wedding band, so we'll be good.

It's so fautiful. No, I'm obsessed with it. And also like I mix, I mix metals, like I'll do silver and gold, so you know, I could just do a gold wedding band, so we'll be good.

There you go, get it dipped too. I think I think my mom did that.

There you go, get it dipped too. I think I think my mom did that.

She had like a yellow gold ring for forever and for their like fifteen year anniversary whatever she got it dipped in white gold.

She had like a yellow gold ring for forever and for their like fifteen year anniversary whatever she got it dipped in white gold.

Joey, you expressed during the season, like your biggest fear is, you know, getting falling for someone who then doesn't get there. When Kelsey walked out, were those fears gone or were you still Were you still nervous or did you think she was going to hit you up with another Uh? We we need to talk, which I don't know, Kelsey. I don't know what that was about.

Joey, you expressed during the season, like your biggest fear is, you know, getting falling for someone who then doesn't get there. When Kelsey walked out, were those fears gone or were you still Were you still nervous or did you think she was going to hit you up with another Uh? We we need to talk, which I don't know, Kelsey. I don't know what that was about.

No, I think I think it was a mix of emotions.

No, I think I think it was a mix of emotions.

I would say that I still had that like, wow, is this going to be it?

I would say that I still had that like, wow, is this going to be it?

But I was confident. Our last night that we had together was so great. I was more.

But I was confident. Our last night that we had together was so great. I was more.

I was now in a different position because I was reassuring her a lot through that time. So I was trying to stay short and confident, like this is here, if you want this to be here, I wanted to be here. So yeah, there's a lot of emotions on that last day, but I was confident. But I think any guy, as soon as they get that one one, he has that like thought in the back of the head, like is she gonna say yes? So I sure did that for a second. But yeah, we were in a good spot that moment, so I felt.

I was now in a different position because I was reassuring her a lot through that time. So I was trying to stay short and confident, like this is here, if you want this to be here, I wanted to be here. So yeah, there's a lot of emotions on that last day, but I was confident. But I think any guy, as soon as they get that one one, he has that like thought in the back of the head, like is she gonna say yes? So I sure did that for a second. But yeah, we were in a good spot that moment, so I felt.

Good, Joe, did you have that thought?

Good, Joe, did you have that thought?

Oh yeah, of course, yeah I was. I really had that thought.

Oh yeah, of course, yeah I was. I really had that thought.

But well, Joe genuinely actually did enough.

But well, Joe genuinely actually did enough.

I was gonna say, yeah, I truly didn't know. Kelsey.

I was gonna say, yeah, I truly didn't know. Kelsey.

How about how about you walking out onto that platform? Like, how surreal is that moment? I mean, you come on this show and like you're there, You're there at the end.

How about how about you walking out onto that platform? Like, how surreal is that moment? I mean, you come on this show and like you're there, You're there at the end.

Yeah, it was very surreal. I was telling all my friends going on that, I was like, you know, I might be back next week, guys. I was like, don't worry, Like, I'll probably be right back. I came on just thinking, if anything, would be a really cool life experience. But I was open to the process, and I mean, it worked out perfectly for me, and I'm just really happy where we are. It's funny whenever I was actually walking up to Joey at the end, I couldn't find him. I was looking everywhere. I was like, where is he?

Yeah, it was very surreal. I was telling all my friends going on that, I was like, you know, I might be back next week, guys. I was like, don't worry, Like, I'll probably be right back. I came on just thinking, if anything, would be a really cool life experience. But I was open to the process, and I mean, it worked out perfectly for me, and I'm just really happy where we are. It's funny whenever I was actually walking up to Joey at the end, I couldn't find him. I was looking everywhere. I was like, where is he?

Like that actually was why I had some doubt because she wasn't looking at me, so I was like, this is.

Like that actually was why I had some doubt because she wasn't looking at me, so I was like, this is.

Going to be bad.

Going to be bad.

All of a sudden, I couldn't find him. Finally I found him.

All of a sudden, I couldn't find him. Finally I found him.

I had they had a whole.

I had they had a whole.

Route for She's like turning backwards, joys again, She's leaving me, It's over.

Route for She's like turning backwards, joys again, She's leaving me, It's over.

He just kept looking straight at like the production town.

He just kept looking straight at like the production town.

I was like, it's something about to happen, Like I don't even know what's going on going.

I was like, it's something about to happen, Like I don't even know what's going on going.

You found him?

You found him?

Thank God him, so that I would say, I mean, this is one of the first times I think we've ever seen this on a season. But Daisy does come to you Kelsey and basically says like, I don't think he's gonna pick me, so like I'm I'm done. Is there was there a part of you that kind of wishes she didn't do that. Do you feel like that might have spoiled the moment for you?

Thank God him, so that I would say, I mean, this is one of the first times I think we've ever seen this on a season. But Daisy does come to you Kelsey and basically says like, I don't think he's gonna pick me, so like I'm I'm done. Is there was there a part of you that kind of wishes she didn't do that. Do you feel like that might have spoiled the moment for you?

I mean I think that I went back and forth at the very beginning of like, oh you know, I really I don't know, like did I did I want that? Did I not? But at the end of the day, like it's what happened, and I know that she had really good intent, and you know, I think that it did take a little bit of the stress off my shoulders going in. So I do appreciate Daisy and I think that she's a wonderful woman.

I mean I think that I went back and forth at the very beginning of like, oh you know, I really I don't know, like did I did I want that? Did I not? But at the end of the day, like it's what happened, and I know that she had really good intent, and you know, I think that it did take a little bit of the stress off my shoulders going in. So I do appreciate Daisy and I think that she's a wonderful woman.

So okay, nice, nice, Yeah, I don't know if I would have liked that.

So okay, nice, nice, Yeah, I don't know if I would have liked that.

But now, how was.

But now, how was.

The car ride?

The car ride?

It looked really awkward and it wasn't as awkward as it looked, like.

It looked really awkward and it wasn't as awkward as it looked, like.

I'm happy to hear that.

I'm happy to hear that.

I was like, what is up with close handles? Like for in the car?

I was like, what is up with close handles? Like for in the car?

Well, I was also like, I wonder how long this car ride is, Like, I mean, if it's like three minutes, that's one thing. If they're the car for two hours just sitting like this in silence, like I did.

Well, I was also like, I wonder how long this car ride is, Like, I mean, if it's like three minutes, that's one thing. If they're the car for two hours just sitting like this in silence, like I did.

Feel like a long car ride because I mean, I think we're all just nervous for the end.

Feel like a long car ride because I mean, I think we're all just nervous for the end.

That was the craziest thing for me. She told me after when we were leaving. She was like, you know, me and Daisy rode in the car together.

That was the craziest thing for me. She told me after when we were leaving. She was like, you know, me and Daisy rode in the car together.

It's like what we saw. He didn't know we talked before, he didn't know any of that.

It's like what we saw. He didn't know we talked before, he didn't know any of that.

Yeah, so all that was a surprise for me to finally see two and for her to tell me about.

Yeah, so all that was a surprise for me to finally see two and for her to tell me about.

Nice Oh yeah, that's so true.

Nice Oh yeah, that's so true.

So watching it all back, were you too supportive of each other? And how I guess how difficult was watching the entire season back?

So watching it all back, were you too supportive of each other? And how I guess how difficult was watching the entire season back?

You can speak on that first. What are your thoughts were on.

You can speak on that first. What are your thoughts were on.

Yeah, honestly, I had my own method where I toward the first like two episodes or so, like, I watched all of it, but the more it went on, I would put in my headphones, I'd scroll on my phone during other people's one on ones or like other intimate moments. I just was like, I don't need to see this because this was this is like not what it is now. So I just kind of would ignore a lot of it and just focus on our moments. But there were like parts where they were harder for me to watch, but Joey was always so supportive and understanding throughout it all. So props to Joey for, you know, helping me go through all of this.

Yeah, honestly, I had my own method where I toward the first like two episodes or so, like, I watched all of it, but the more it went on, I would put in my headphones, I'd scroll on my phone during other people's one on ones or like other intimate moments. I just was like, I don't need to see this because this was this is like not what it is now. So I just kind of would ignore a lot of it and just focus on our moments. But there were like parts where they were harder for me to watch, but Joey was always so supportive and understanding throughout it all. So props to Joey for, you know, helping me go through all of this.

Yeah, I think for me, And the part is is, like I did through this entire season, always try to think through like, Okay, your wife is going to be watching this back someday, like let's try your best to make sure your words have purpose, the actions you can look back on and Lisa explain. But there's still moments you walk through and watch you're like, god, this has got to be so hard for her. So I tried as much as possible to watch it through her eyes, to preper as much as I could. When I saw things I think the biggest thing for us is it wasn't as tough as it could have been because I tried to be as open about the communication explain everything as possible, because yeah, I want this to be a great experience, but as everyone knows that goes through it, it is tough to navigate through some of this and no one should have to watch where she had to watch, and I feel for her through that, But we kept focusing on like where we're at now, and that's really what's most important.

Yeah, I think for me, And the part is is, like I did through this entire season, always try to think through like, Okay, your wife is going to be watching this back someday, like let's try your best to make sure your words have purpose, the actions you can look back on and Lisa explain. But there's still moments you walk through and watch you're like, god, this has got to be so hard for her. So I tried as much as possible to watch it through her eyes, to preper as much as I could. When I saw things I think the biggest thing for us is it wasn't as tough as it could have been because I tried to be as open about the communication explain everything as possible, because yeah, I want this to be a great experience, but as everyone knows that goes through it, it is tough to navigate through some of this and no one should have to watch where she had to watch, and I feel for her through that, But we kept focusing on like where we're at now, and that's really what's most important.

Yeah, was there anything that you were like the most nervous to watch or anything you considered being like, I'm just not going to watch those parts.

Yeah, was there anything that you were like the most nervous to watch or anything you considered being like, I'm just not going to watch those parts.

I didn't really watch Fantasy Suites. I also didn't really watch Hometowns. But I mean, obviously, like afterwards, you see like social media going crazy about it all, so that I think obviously the hardest part for me was seeing everybody talking about it afterwards not even watching it. Usually, even if I watched like the whole episode, I didn't feel any type of way, just because I knew the connection that we had, even if it wasn't fully shown, I felt really confident watching it. In the aftermath of like everybody else's thoughts on it was I think what really affected me more.

I didn't really watch Fantasy Suites. I also didn't really watch Hometowns. But I mean, obviously, like afterwards, you see like social media going crazy about it all, so that I think obviously the hardest part for me was seeing everybody talking about it afterwards not even watching it. Usually, even if I watched like the whole episode, I didn't feel any type of way, just because I knew the connection that we had, even if it wasn't fully shown, I felt really confident watching it. In the aftermath of like everybody else's thoughts on it was I think what really affected me more.

Oh so, I mean, like I understand, but just I.

Oh so, I mean, like I understand, but just I.

Just think that, you know, certain people really like certain women and then they you know, want those women to be with Joe. And it was kind of hard for me because I was like.

Just think that, you know, certain people really like certain women and then they you know, want those women to be with Joe. And it was kind of hard for me because I was like.

You know, it's.

You know, it's.

Also like they take like the smallest information and then they create their own storyline that was it, Like they made they came up with ideas or came up with storylines that were not true, but they just had this little thing and like, well that had to happen then, and she's like, no, this happened.

Also like they take like the smallest information and then they create their own storyline that was it, Like they made they came up with ideas or came up with storylines that were not true, but they just had this little thing and like, well that had to happen then, and she's like, no, this happened.

But you can't really control other people's opinion.

But you can't really control other people's opinion.

And I think in general this whole season, we felt like a lot of people were invested, like they enjoyed it. So because of that, they have these theories, they have these storylines they create, and they go down this whole tangent where we're like, well, the truth is this, and we want people to know that, but it came with time and we're just happy that we're obviously here now.

And I think in general this whole season, we felt like a lot of people were invested, like they enjoyed it. So because of that, they have these theories, they have these storylines they create, and they go down this whole tangent where we're like, well, the truth is this, and we want people to know that, but it came with time and we're just happy that we're obviously here now.

Yeah, And I think that I just kind of have found my own way of pushing that, you know, to the side and being like this is what is real and this is what I can focus on.

Yeah, And I think that I just kind of have found my own way of pushing that, you know, to the side and being like this is what is real and this is what I can focus on.

Well, the good thing now and I can speak from experience, is like it it seems so heavy in the moment and it's like all consuming when it's happening, but like all that's basic, it's all in the past, and like everyone's going to want to celebrate you guys and your future. So kind of know that and do you got what are your guys plans? Like, what's what's living situation looking?

Well, the good thing now and I can speak from experience, is like it it seems so heavy in the moment and it's like all consuming when it's happening, but like all that's basic, it's all in the past, and like everyone's going to want to celebrate you guys and your future. So kind of know that and do you got what are your guys plans? Like, what's what's living situation looking?

Like?

Like?

What are we doing?

What are we doing?

So the plan initially, I've obviously been just staying at my sister's place, so I'm the one that's moving right now. I'm going to New Orleans for a little bit. We're gonna be there for the beginning part of summer. But the end goal is we want to get to New York.

So the plan initially, I've obviously been just staying at my sister's place, so I'm the one that's moving right now. I'm going to New Orleans for a little bit. We're gonna be there for the beginning part of summer. But the end goal is we want to get to New York.

So we're gonna be no way that's amazing.

So we're gonna be no way that's amazing.

I think probably sometime and like we're thinking July or August is when we're trying to get there because she's finishing up her lease. But New York City is one hundred percent of move We're excited about it.

I think probably sometime and like we're thinking July or August is when we're trying to get there because she's finishing up her lease. But New York City is one hundred percent of move We're excited about it.

Well, if you have any questions about areas or anything like that, we're here and you guys have flows know when you come, we'll go out for dinner or something.

Well, if you have any questions about areas or anything like that, we're here and you guys have flows know when you come, we'll go out for dinner or something.

Going through this, did you guys reach out to any like Veachter Nation couples that.

Going through this, did you guys reach out to any like Veachter Nation couples that.

Basically went through the same thing it were successful.

Basically went through the same thing it were successful.

Yeah. So I've spoke with Dotton and also Katie and they both have just been so helpful throughout all of this, and you know, helping me through all the phases because they understand on this side of things. But Donton uh pretty much told me like, just go through it as no refunds, and that's how we've been going through, is that we can just get through anything. And I thought that was some really great advice.

Yeah. So I've spoke with Dotton and also Katie and they both have just been so helpful throughout all of this, and you know, helping me through all the phases because they understand on this side of things. But Donton uh pretty much told me like, just go through it as no refunds, and that's how we've been going through, is that we can just get through anything. And I thought that was some really great advice.

They were great, and Charity have doctor.

They were great, and Charity have doctor.

I've talked to Zach quite a bit and obviously got her connected with Katie too. I just think like it's been great that we've had two successful couples in a row in the last seasons and they've had their own share of problems and just been so open to understand our experience how it's different, but also connect and everyone's been great.

I've talked to Zach quite a bit and obviously got her connected with Katie too. I just think like it's been great that we've had two successful couples in a row in the last seasons and they've had their own share of problems and just been so open to understand our experience how it's different, but also connect and everyone's been great.

And I've gotten to talk to like.

And I've gotten to talk to like.

Ben Higgins as an old lead too with a lot of other stuff. But we've had nothing but support from all of Bachelor Nation, which has been amazing.

Ben Higgins as an old lead too with a lot of other stuff. But we've had nothing but support from all of Bachelor Nation, which has been amazing.

Yeah nice, nice, right, Speaking of uh know, Bachelor Nation and fans, Kelsey, I know they really.

Yeah nice, nice, right, Speaking of uh know, Bachelor Nation and fans, Kelsey, I know they really.

Like your dad.

Like your dad.

I've seen a lot of tweets and comments about your dad.

I've seen a lot of tweets and comments about your dad.

Even like people I know that watch the show are like, oh my god, Kelsey's dad is such a fox. Like I like, do you think, like, like how long? How young do you think he date?

Even like people I know that watch the show are like, oh my god, Kelsey's dad is such a fox. Like I like, do you think, like, like how long? How young do you think he date?

Like, well, you think he would? I mean, they're they're doing a Golden Bachelorette. Do you think he would do it?

Like, well, you think he would? I mean, they're they're doing a Golden Bachelorette. Do you think he would do it?

You know, I have talked to him about it a little bit. I would love to see my dad open up in that setting. I think that it would be really great for him, and I think it would be really fun for me and my siblings to even learn more about him. But yeah, I would love to see him open up to that.

You know, I have talked to him about it a little bit. I would love to see my dad open up in that setting. I think that it would be really great for him, and I think it would be really fun for me and my siblings to even learn more about him. But yeah, I would love to see him open up to that.

I know.

I know.

My mom always said that if she passed before him, that she wanted him to find love again. So, you know, I just think that he might need a little push.

My mom always said that if she passed before him, that she wanted him to find love again. So, you know, I just think that he might need a little push.

How old is your dad?

How old is your dad?

I'll say from experience too, Mark's even better in person, Like it's crazy, it's will love him through the camera, But that guy has a presence when he talked to him in person.

I'll say from experience too, Mark's even better in person, Like it's crazy, it's will love him through the camera, But that guy has a presence when he talked to him in person.

So you got to be sixty.

So you got to be sixty.

Okay, So he's like, I think the cutoff for last season the youngest person was sixty, and he's like just sliding in there, and then I.

Okay, So he's like, I think the cutoff for last season the youngest person was sixty, and he's like just sliding in there, and then I.

Could March March is oh wait no, yeah, that's perfect. Wait no, wait me sorry, March my brother. My brother's birthday is in March.

Could March March is oh wait no, yeah, that's perfect. Wait no, wait me sorry, March my brother. My brother's birthday is in March.

Okay. What advice going through this? If let's say he did get on, what advice Kelsey, would you give.

Okay. What advice going through this? If let's say he did get on, what advice Kelsey, would you give.

Him just to be himself and to open up, because I think that it can be nerve wracking, you know, all the cameras and all these new people and trying to open up in a weird and you know, I'm abnormal setting. But I don't know. I don't I think that my dad has been through so much in his life that he tackle it like so easily. Yeah.

Him just to be himself and to open up, because I think that it can be nerve wracking, you know, all the cameras and all these new people and trying to open up in a weird and you know, I'm abnormal setting. But I don't know. I don't I think that my dad has been through so much in his life that he tackle it like so easily. Yeah.

Nice, Okay, So, Kelsey, I know when you met Joey's family and you guys discussed timeline in marriage.

Nice, Okay, So, Kelsey, I know when you met Joey's family and you guys discussed timeline in marriage.

Have you two talked about that more?

Have you two talked about that more?

Yeah? I think that we both have talked about it in the sense of we would like a longer engagement. We don't want to feel stressed, hurring up and planning a big wedding or whatever it is. I think that we also need to figure out where we even want to have it because we both live in different places or from different places. But yeah, we just talked about the fact that we would like a longer engagement focused on us right now and then start planning, and we don't want too much stress.

Yeah? I think that we both have talked about it in the sense of we would like a longer engagement. We don't want to feel stressed, hurring up and planning a big wedding or whatever it is. I think that we also need to figure out where we even want to have it because we both live in different places or from different places. But yeah, we just talked about the fact that we would like a longer engagement focused on us right now and then start planning, and we don't want too much stress.

Or anything with that, no rush.

Or anything with that, no rush.

We both feel like we're in a great spot to enjoy this engagement and yeah, none of us are on the timeline that we feel like we need to be rushing. But the cool part is if we have a longer engagement, that also gives us more time to plan and think through a lot of the fun things, because we both admitted we don't really even have an idea of what our wedding would look like yet, like we haven't thought through that much.

We both feel like we're in a great spot to enjoy this engagement and yeah, none of us are on the timeline that we feel like we need to be rushing. But the cool part is if we have a longer engagement, that also gives us more time to plan and think through a lot of the fun things, because we both admitted we don't really even have an idea of what our wedding would look like yet, like we haven't thought through that much.

So we have time and we're excited for it.

So we have time and we're excited for it.

Yeah, I think that's healthy, honestly, just move in together. First, move in together, and then and then see where that goes.

Yeah, I think that's healthy, honestly, just move in together. First, move in together, and then and then see where that goes.

Kind of like when you do this, like we're starting dating all over again. So that's what we're focusing on. We want to strengthen this relationship to however strong it already feels, but make it even better.

Kind of like when you do this, like we're starting dating all over again. So that's what we're focusing on. We want to strengthen this relationship to however strong it already feels, but make it even better.

So that's our focus for now, and we have time for the rest.

So that's our focus for now, and we have time for the rest.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nice.

Nice.

Any any travel plans coming up, He's gonna go anywhere celebrate.

Any any travel plans coming up, He's gonna go anywhere celebrate.

Yeah, we do have a few.

Yeah, we do have a few.

We found out that we have a lot of weddings we got invited to this year, so that's that's part of it as well. I've got a couple of buddies that are getting married. One of the cool places. One of my buddies is getting married in Portugal, so we're gonna be heading out there, which should be really fun. We're actually gonna go to back to Hawaii because I wanted to show her around. But the cool thing is we're jumping on a trip with Zach and Katie as well, so that one.

We found out that we have a lot of weddings we got invited to this year, so that's that's part of it as well. I've got a couple of buddies that are getting married. One of the cool places. One of my buddies is getting married in Portugal, so we're gonna be heading out there, which should be really fun. We're actually gonna go to back to Hawaii because I wanted to show her around. But the cool thing is we're jumping on a trip with Zach and Katie as well, so that one.

Will be in May, so we'll go to Kawai.

Will be in May, so we'll go to Kawai.

We have Portugal and then a few other different going around the States and different things that we have coming up.

We have Portugal and then a few other different going around the States and different things that we have coming up.

This should be fun.

This should be fun.

Oh nice. Have you guys met Zach and Katy in person yet?

Oh nice. Have you guys met Zach and Katy in person yet?

He hasn't.

He hasn't.

I've seen that obviously, but she's she's been behind closed doors.

I've seen that obviously, but she's she's been behind closed doors.

I've only been facetiming Katie. But she's awesome and I can't wait to hang out with her in person.

I've only been facetiming Katie. But she's awesome and I can't wait to hang out with her in person.

Yeah, I know they're great. You guys are gonna have so much fun.

Yeah, I know they're great. You guys are gonna have so much fun.

Kelsey, How about the girls on your season?

Kelsey, How about the girls on your season?

Are you?

Are you?

Are you still? Who are you? Who are you close with?

Are you still? Who are you? Who are you close with?

Yeah? I'm really close with Lexi, also Caitlin and Medina. I would say that there are my three closest friends from the season. But I feel like I got pretty close with all of the girls. I think that there was I don't know, just so many amazing women. They all had such big stories and even some of the girls from the earlier like you know episodes like Star and Samantha who went home Night one, Like, I don't know, they were all just really great girls. We had a good, a good bunch this season.

Yeah? I'm really close with Lexi, also Caitlin and Medina. I would say that there are my three closest friends from the season. But I feel like I got pretty close with all of the girls. I think that there was I don't know, just so many amazing women. They all had such big stories and even some of the girls from the earlier like you know episodes like Star and Samantha who went home Night one, Like, I don't know, they were all just really great girls. We had a good, a good bunch this season.

Nice and how how did you get on the show?

Nice and how how did you get on the show?

So I applied myself. It was like a couple months after my last relationship, and my friend had applied me the last relationship I had got out of. So I was like, you know what, let me just apply. I didn't think I was getting her back. Oh and then I just started hearing back, and I started doing more and more interviews, and then you know, I got on and I was like I can't wait to meet this guy.

So I applied myself. It was like a couple months after my last relationship, and my friend had applied me the last relationship I had got out of. So I was like, you know what, let me just apply. I didn't think I was getting her back. Oh and then I just started hearing back, and I started doing more and more interviews, and then you know, I got on and I was like I can't wait to meet this guy.

I was making a joke when she first told me she applied herself. I was like, that's a red flack. I don't know, I don't know about this one anymore.

I was making a joke when she first told me she applied herself. I was like, that's a red flack. I don't know, I don't know about this one anymore.

But she was.

But she was.

She was saying the same thing, like how she that's what she does when she got on a relationship and she was in a good spot. So we joked about it, but I thought it was funny that she applied herself too.

She was saying the same thing, like how she that's what she does when she got on a relationship and she was in a good spot. So we joked about it, but I thought it was funny that she applied herself too.

Yeah, I was like, I genuinely did not expect to hear back like I flew through like the thing. Honestly, I didn't. I don't think that I like went super in depth about a lot of things. But then the interviews, we just talked more and more with you know, everybody, and it went great.

Yeah, I was like, I genuinely did not expect to hear back like I flew through like the thing. Honestly, I didn't. I don't think that I like went super in depth about a lot of things. But then the interviews, we just talked more and more with you know, everybody, and it went great.

It's so funny because honestly I applied myself too. I mean like I had a lot of Yeah, I had a lot of like external pressure for my mom and my sister to do so, but like I was just out of a relationship chip a few months prior it was the pandemic, and honestly, I never thought I would hear back like I did not apply seriously, Like I don't even know what I put on my application, but like I always feel like saying that I applied myself. When it's like oh I got nominated, O, like I got scouted, I'm like, yeah, no, Like this is I feel like a red flag.

It's so funny because honestly I applied myself too. I mean like I had a lot of Yeah, I had a lot of like external pressure for my mom and my sister to do so, but like I was just out of a relationship chip a few months prior it was the pandemic, and honestly, I never thought I would hear back like I did not apply seriously, Like I don't even know what I put on my application, but like I always feel like saying that I applied myself. When it's like oh I got nominated, O, like I got scouted, I'm like, yeah, no, Like this is I feel like a red flag.

But when you guys described like that, it doesn't.

But when you guys described like that, it doesn't.

As soon as she explained it, and if you explained it, like I wouldn't think of it first year you applied yourself, like oh, so you're here for followers, Like yeah.

As soon as she explained it, and if you explained it, like I wouldn't think of it first year you applied yourself, like oh, so you're here for followers, Like yeah.

You freaking club chaser, goes right away.

You freaking club chaser, goes right away.

But then when you hear it like oh no, you were just open to it and like this will never happen.

But then when you hear it like oh no, you were just open to it and like this will never happen.

Yeah yeah, literally, like when you explain it, it makes sense. But when you're like, yeah, I applied, it's like this feels.

Yeah yeah, literally, like when you explain it, it makes sense. But when you're like, yeah, I applied, it's like this feels.

It saying no.

It saying no.

Literally, I was like I'm nervous to tell people like I applied for myself. I was like, I was like, I'm a little embarrassed, Like I didn't get a DM, I'm not that cool.

Literally, I was like I'm nervous to tell people like I applied for myself. I was like, I was like, I'm a little embarrassed, Like I didn't get a DM, I'm not that cool.

Joey, what what was your your reaction, your honest reaction when you first saw Kelsey when she stepped out of the limo.

Joey, what what was your your reaction, your honest reaction when you first saw Kelsey when she stepped out of the limo.

So I was blown away.

So I was blown away.

The part is you know how the limbounches are always different times too.

The part is you know how the limbounches are always different times too.

She was actually the last one out of the limo. She was the last person that came up.

She was actually the last one out of the limo. She was the last person that came up.

So I was also like after thirty two women, like it was getting to the point that I was like, I'm kind of I'm ready to go inside. I'm ready to give this toast, like I'm ready to get this thing going. But she walked out and I was like, oh shit, okay, like we're this is amazing, Like, okay, this was worth it for thirty two because she was the last.

So I was also like after thirty two women, like it was getting to the point that I was like, I'm kind of I'm ready to go inside. I'm ready to give this toast, like I'm ready to get this thing going. But she walked out and I was like, oh shit, okay, like we're this is amazing, Like, okay, this was worth it for thirty two because she was the last.

One and I was blown away right away.

One and I was blown away right away.

But we always joked too about our first conversation on night one, like she was so nervous and so kind of upset.

But we always joked too about our first conversation on night one, like she was so nervous and so kind of upset.

I think that I kissed other women.

I think that I kissed other women.

Because she heard it through the house and just kind of you said that you were a little bit.

Because she heard it through the house and just kind of you said that you were a little bit.

I wasn't said that you're kissing the other women. I just was like, you're not going.

I wasn't said that you're kissing the other women. I just was like, you're not going.

To kiss me on exactly, So I guess that's what it was. She was definitely reserved.

To kiss me on exactly, So I guess that's what it was. She was definitely reserved.

I was like, oh, Kelsey, Kelsey, did did you go in for a kiss at all night one?

I was like, oh, Kelsey, Kelsey, did did you go in for a kiss at all night one?

No?

No?

No, she was saying that.

No, she was saying that.

She like was like, I don't don't kiss me night one, Like.

She like was like, I don't don't kiss me night one, Like.

She wasn't like a bad thing, but like if we were sitting with each other like this, we weren't like this.

She wasn't like a bad thing, but like if we were sitting with each other like this, we weren't like this.

She was like purposely this far away.

She was like purposely this far away.

From making a whole lot of eye contact because I was like, this boy better not coming for a kiss because I heard ten other girls.

From making a whole lot of eye contact because I was like, this boy better not coming for a kiss because I heard ten other girls.

Because well smart, but you play a little hard to get.

Because well smart, but you play a little hard to get.

And she did well. She did well.

And she did well. She did well.

I said.

I said.

From the beginning, I was like, Joey, Joey likes these girls, but I think he loves Kelsey. And I think I said that I did. I said that night one. I was like, he's upset.

From the beginning, I was like, Joey, Joey likes these girls, but I think he loves Kelsey. And I think I said that I did. I said that night one. I was like, he's upset.

You did you said that? You didn't say that night one?

You did you said that? You didn't say that night one?

Well, I might have said at night whatever.

Well, I might have said at night whatever.

We also talked about this one too, because I thought this was so interesting.

We also talked about this one too, because I thought this was so interesting.

I forget who brought it up.

I forget who brought it up.

One of the producers talked to me about it that said, you're gonna have your idea of everyone after night one, but you're gonna go to bed and you're gonna wake up and someone's gonna be on your mind. You're gonna have a dream about her or someone you're not gonna be able to get out of your head. And we didn't have the best night one because of that like awkward thing that she was like someone that was on my mind.

One of the producers talked to me about it that said, you're gonna have your idea of everyone after night one, but you're gonna go to bed and you're gonna wake up and someone's gonna be on your mind. You're gonna have a dream about her or someone you're not gonna be able to get out of your head. And we didn't have the best night one because of that like awkward thing that she was like someone that was on my mind.

She's giving you like bad body language.

She's giving you like bad body language.

I was like, I don't think this girl likes me. So we had that like whole type of thing.

I was like, I don't think this girl likes me. So we had that like whole type of thing.

But I went to bed and I woke up the next morning I had a fall on dream about her. She was the only person on my mind when I like woke up the next day and I told all of my team when I was the next day, I was like, for some reason, this Kelsey girls on my mind. I think the voodoo doll worked, Like I think it made it through in my dreams. Like I'm not sure, but that was the weirdest thing that I could not wait for that paint Bottle date because she was the one that, like I couldn't get out of my head, and then she acted like she liked me on the paintball date.

But I went to bed and I woke up the next morning I had a fall on dream about her. She was the only person on my mind when I like woke up the next day and I told all of my team when I was the next day, I was like, for some reason, this Kelsey girls on my mind. I think the voodoo doll worked, Like I think it made it through in my dreams. Like I'm not sure, but that was the weirdest thing that I could not wait for that paint Bottle date because she was the one that, like I couldn't get out of my head, and then she acted like she liked me on the paintball date.

So yeah, oh my god, I have chills. That's so cool. Good story.

So yeah, oh my god, I have chills. That's so cool. Good story.

Yeah, it was definitely different because someone brought it up and I was like, no, I'm not going to dream about anyone, but I did.

Yeah, it was definitely different because someone brought it up and I was like, no, I'm not going to dream about anyone, but I did.

She was the person I dreamed.

She was the person I dreamed.

About that was it was the voodoo doll. You actually worked.

About that was it was the voodoo doll. You actually worked.

Jesus one in her bag the whole time. She never told me about.

Jesus one in her bag the whole time. She never told me about.

You got some you got some serious powers here. I'm always curious about this, DoD.

You got some you got some serious powers here. I'm always curious about this, DoD.

Do you.

Do you.

Like you did say you dreamt about Kelsey, But were you kind of like she's gonna be here? Like did was she in your top three?

Like you did say you dreamt about Kelsey, But were you kind of like she's gonna be here? Like did was she in your top three?

Like?

Like?

Were you like she's making it the hometowns.

Were you like she's making it the hometowns.

I knew before we started traveling that there was no way she wasn't going to hometowns unless something happened like we had.

I knew before we started traveling that there was no way she wasn't going to hometowns unless something happened like we had.

We had a.

We had a.

Great first date at the paint Battle, but the missus right date when she got the group date, Rose was kind of like, unless something goes terribly wrong, unless I'm missing something, there's just no doubt that we're getting to the point that we're going to see how far this can go.

Great first date at the paint Battle, but the missus right date when she got the group date, Rose was kind of like, unless something goes terribly wrong, unless I'm missing something, there's just no doubt that we're getting to the point that we're going to see how far this can go.

So I knew very early on where she was at.

So I knew very early on where she was at.

But then I also know how crazy this whole experience is, and you have to like keep your mind open and understand that she could not be as invested as I was. But I think you see through a lot of interviews throughout the season too, like I was questioning if she was invested. It wasn't ever if I was invested. She did play a good hard to get and try as much she could like hold things on her sleeve.

But then I also know how crazy this whole experience is, and you have to like keep your mind open and understand that she could not be as invested as I was. But I think you see through a lot of interviews throughout the season too, like I was questioning if she was invested. It wasn't ever if I was invested. She did play a good hard to get and try as much she could like hold things on her sleeve.

So I think I did say like after you guys first day, and I was like, I think like either like Joey's like a little more invested in Kelsey than Kelsey, isn't Joey. I was like, I'm sure that's not the case, but like she's playing hard to.

So I think I did say like after you guys first day, and I was like, I think like either like Joey's like a little more invested in Kelsey than Kelsey, isn't Joey. I was like, I'm sure that's not the case, but like she's playing hard to.

Get or what.

Get or what.

But I was like, he's definitely got like the hard eyes on for her, and I feel like she's like, we'll see.

But I was like, he's definitely got like the hard eyes on for her, and I feel like she's like, we'll see.

I said, I didn't know you actually liked me until at the end of Rocket, like even during the day. It was like when we left that night and we were like before we left, I was like, okay, like she actually does like me now, But.

I said, I didn't know you actually liked me until at the end of Rocket, like even during the day. It was like when we left that night and we were like before we left, I was like, okay, like she actually does like me now, But.

Yeah, I was worried.

Yeah, I was worried.

I didn't know because she was trying so hard to like hold it in, I guess.

I didn't know because she was trying so hard to like hold it in, I guess.

But well, I was.

But well, I was.

About talking about a lot of things I want my mom to be brought up, and I wanted that conversation to have its time, So I think that that was like part of me like holding back a little bit.

About talking about a lot of things I want my mom to be brought up, and I wanted that conversation to have its time, So I think that that was like part of me like holding back a little bit.

Yeah, well, Kelsey, I want to know if you if you felt that from Joey. But we will, uh, we'll lead off with that question for part two. So everyone please stay tuned for the second part of Joey and Kelsey because we are going to get more into their relationship and ask them more questions. And thank you guys so much for tuning in, and make sure you catch part two of this coming up tomorrow because we can't waste any more time.

Yeah, well, Kelsey, I want to know if you if you felt that from Joey. But we will, uh, we'll lead off with that question for part two. So everyone please stay tuned for the second part of Joey and Kelsey because we are going to get more into their relationship and ask them more questions. And thank you guys so much for tuning in, and make sure you catch part two of this coming up tomorrow because we can't waste any more time.