This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena are joined by Dotun to discuss his journey so far on this season of “The Bachelorette.” The man who bungee jumped with our Bachelorette not once but twice shares how seeing Charity on Zach’s “Women Tell All” convinced him to come on the show. He also opens up on why any one-on-one time can’t be wasted on petty nonsense and why he thinks Brayden should take up mediation.
Plus, he does not hold back as he discusses the drama he witnessed between the other men and why he wasn’t mad that Aaron B. talked to Charity about Brayden even though he personally would have made a different choice.
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Hello, abat your nation and welcome back about your happy hour.
We have a great one for you.
We've honestly we've been pumping this guy out so far. He's he's, he's, he's been in my top four. We're so happy to have him on.
Dotton.
Welcome to the podcast.
How you doing. I feel great, I feel grateful to have this opportunity, So I thank you too. You guys are crushing it. So yeah, I appreciate you putting in the top four South and looking forward to this waiting for this call. So and again, pleasure to meet both of you guys, So so good, Bill nice, thank you.
We've been so excited to chat with you. So we're happy to finally have you on this week. And we feel like we've actually seen a lot of you in your relationship so far this season. So there's a lot to get into.
A lot, Yeah, a lot to get into.
Yeah, I want to talk about how you got on the show. But first I'm in Uh, I'm in Manhattan. You're you live in Brooklyn?
Right? I do Parks? So gay a nice? Nice? What's uh what's your go to pizza out there? Well? I mean there's an artichoke nearby that we always frequent on those late nights where we don't want to get off the couch. But I don't know. Joe's is solid. I know it's cliche at this point, but it's just really good and honestly, just like came from California and like, I feel like all the pizza here is Nika. It's really you're just kind of what do they call it when you're like just barely making differences? There's a word for I know, I.
Know what you're trying to think of, but I can't think of what it is?
Like, what is it?
Yeah, there's like a praise for it.
Yeah, there we go, There we go. Have you say too, Kelly. That's been on my radar. I've had a few invites to go. And one of the times that I was supposed to go and gen Z was actually there. That's his favorite spot. So Mike is in. Yeah, she has like really close ties with that location, and so I've hood up there but I haven't been to, but I can't wait to go. Is that your spot, Joe?
I mean to me that that's the best pizza in the world. It's it's it is, It is my favorite.
I love it the world.
That's a you in the world.
What a declaration, I know.
Are you? Are you born in New York?
No, I'm actually born and raised in Chicago. I've only been to I mean, I've been to New York a bunch of times, but I've only been living here for now, almost like a year and a half.
Okay, you liking it? Yeah, I love it. I love it.
But I'm a city guy, like I love the city. I love the speed of it, I love love the vibe like it's my favorite. So yeah, it's great. We gotta, uh, we have to get together and have a drinks sometimes, because.
Yeah we should. We should all go to LOCALI please. There we go.
Let's do it of that, all right.
So let's talk a little bit about how how did you get on the show?
It's a great question. Honestly, I got on like two weeks before filming started. I was really short time period of probably one of the shortest I've been told. But it was just happenings stance where someone dropped out, someone found to me to fill that earle, and so I jumped in at that two week point. And so I was going through the whole process for those two weeks and like kind of unsure if I was really going to go through with it because it was so short term, I didn't have time to think about it. But truly it was seeing Charity at the at the Tel Home Hotel off for Zach season. I was I was watching it just because they're like, you're going to announce the bach or att. It's like, great, maive me this. This whole shift my my moot or shipped my decision. And I was looking at all these beautiful girls from Zach season and they're all smart in their own way, and I was like, this is great, like but nothing was like doing it. I was like, can I really like poor my ardent or something like this? But then I don't know. I saw Charity fan of Charity and just saw her and I was just like, there's something about this person that, like, I don't know, it felt like my soul was like speaking like, hey, you should go for this thing. And so once I saw her, that was kind of the deciding factor truly for me to be like, Okay, I am actually going to go through it. This that morning i'd woken up, I was certain I was not going to because like it was just too much of like a too short and financially and for work and career, it just felt like it wasn't the right timing. But once I saw Charity at that tell all, I was like, Okay, I think there's something to tell me to go. So that was why I went to work. Her soul spoke to you.
Live the Beautiful on Oh my Gosh. But and I will say, Joe, you've kind of said that when you saw me come out of the limo, you felt some sort of pull as well.
What happened on my season?
Yeah, I didn't give it much thought because I just never thought I would be back on the show. But yeah, no, there's there's there's a certain person that has like a spark that you're just kind of like, hmmm, and I see that, like even when you're talking to Charity. I at least I feel like I could see that between.
The both of you.
But wait, were so wait were you nominated or did you apply?
Like? How did how did that process go? Honestly like neither? Like I said, so, this was two weeks before filming he started. And I was just right here, sitting here working as I am, and I got a text from one of my roommates and then he was like, hey, do you want to know the bachelorette? I thought he was kidding since we messed around all the time and where I was like taking a piss out of each other. I was like, ah, you're funny, and he's like, no, seriously sending pictures why story? Sure, within an hour, I had one of the casting agencies we shots to and have twenty four hours. It's what had happened. Dropped out, they nominated, and then they left for a work of personal raizings. So but said, hey, do you know anyone that can fill your spot? Let me know, And so he put it in the group chat that my roommate saw. My roommate thought of me, got it got a histrat. Wow all right.
I feel like with the show, like, even if you never in your wildest dreams imagine going on it, when the opportunity presents itself to you, and then especially for you top of that, finding out that the box ride is actually someone you're really interested in meeting, it's almost like, how can you ever turn that down? It's such a unique ones in a lifetime chance.
Exactly that That's how I looked at it, like, even though those two weeks going through that process, and like it's tough to do in two weeks, but things just kept working out just enough as if it was like telling me, like, hey, you should really don't close this door. Try to pursue this and then consider this. So as much as im michological person like I do have a big side of me that believes in like fate and bigger things, and I try to let that be a driving force for some of my decisions. Still try to be thoughtful, but definitely let that try to influence that. And I know that for me, some of the most cherished things that I've ever liked, that I've ever had or experience have come from these type of situations where I was kind of leaning towards something and then life was just kind of feels like it just kind of funnels you in a certain direction, you know. So I relate to that Joe a lot, and I actually relate to you in a big way. I watched Paradise. I remember watching you and I was like, I feel like I would resident with this guy, Joe. He's just a real dude. You just be chilling and the air that you had a similar stamps about with with your nown lines. Yeah, yeah, nice, I like that.
I like that.
Yeah, we definitely gotta We definitely got to hang out, all right, So you know all these feelings you're having and like I get it, Like it just it feels like this process and everything that's happening is is kind of meant to be, Like everything just keeps falling in the place. So you step out of that limo night one and you see Charity that is it? Is it all coming true? Is it all making sense when you first see her? Yeah?
What was that first night like for you?
It's not making sense initially, Like it's it's like you go, you I make the decision to go, and then after that you just kind of going through that process, which again, as you guys know, is like that first week is kind of tough. And then you go to Limo and I remember like having this whole speech as you guys saw, like ritten now and then like memorizing it. But then like once you're in a limo, you just kind of like out and forget everything. And so I had recited at once perfectly while I was in the hotel, but by the time I got in the car, I like completely blanked, right, like you just need all the guys too for the first time, So all of a sudden, the reality of the experience started to kick in, and I'm like, I don't know if I'm really bent for this, so and it started those like quote unquote doubts started to tell I'm not in relating to the charity at all, it's just relations to the experience, and I'm like, I hope I was listening to the right voice. I hope that wasn't me, like, you know, conjuring that in my head that's something I should do, and then stepping out of them out the way that I had forgotten everything. But then it just flowed out of my mouth. It was almost like another sign of reassurance, like every another thing where something was supposed to go wrong and then all of a sudden it worked out. So up until I said my speech, like I was worried, but then after the speech, I was like, Okay, maybe it's gonna be okay because I don't even know how they recited that that speech, but I did pretty well. So I was really proud of that, and it definitely helped me like feel a little bit better going into that one.
Well, it's incredibly, incredibly overwhelming and overstimulating night one, especially more than any other night. So I feel like when you finally meet that person, you're like, Okay, I'm here, this person is the reason I'm here, and like we'll figure it out. But I can definitely relate, and I'm sure Joe canto to like having those first night nerves and being kind of like what have I gotten myself into?
Like what is about to happen here?
Yeah? No, And obviously, you guys everyone's watched episode one by now. I was one of the last well to get a rose, and so I remember, first of all, as not getting time was bad enough as it is, So I'm like, okay, like I really did all that, and like had this whole magical tale spent up in my head just to go home one night one like that would have been so devastating didn't get tied, So I'm like, shoot, I'm going home next to you know, a rose ceremony. And then there's I think I got like the fourth to the last room. So it's just like up until I got that rose, I was like I think, I'm like, no, they just got worse, worse, worse and worse and they get it showed in my interviews wererossing, like I'm trede channel went home. But luckily she saw something I guess in that intro that come me around thankfully. So but yeah, super the difficult I spent that first night.
Yeah, when when your go when when you're up there that first night and they're saying the names and you just don't hear your name.
You don't hear your name.
You're just like, oh, I'm going home, and for you, you you got a rose.
I actually went home. I didn't get.
Yeah, I went home night one and I remember I was just like I'm going but I kind of like I felt like going into it, I knew, but yeah, it's it's it sucks. It's not a good feeling, but you made it through. And now I don't know if you noticed this or like the guys are talking amongst the guys, but it does seem like, and we're not even at this week's episode, it does seem like Charity is kind of going out of her way to make like these little special moments with you. You know, obviously you're going to feel great about that, but at the time, like, do you think you're the only one that's getting this time with her like that and just say, guess.
Explain all that.
Yeah, we saw it first at the barbecue when yeah, I killed the Rose Ceremony cocktail party and you guys had a barbecue, and I think that was kind of the first time we really saw a special moment between the two of you. And ever since then, you know, we've really seen your relationship snowball, and it's always like she's kind of giving you these private moments.
Yeah, you got to see her bedroom eight, No exactly, you guys knowed it. Like I started digging up on these little things that felt like they were specially unique to me. Again, I was one who went through this process without really focusing on what other people's relationships were. I just did my best whatever we were doing together. So I can't say for sure she was not doing that for not doing that for other people, but nonetheless, like she definitely made me feel special and like that was really huge. So you like to help me like lean into the process, which, as you guys known get it's like kind of tough. Like that first week or so, there's like the cameras you're like, well that was going on, but then you realize you do have to like lean in and to get the most out to connect and Charity is like just so intentional. So she really helped me able to again lean into it after having these doubts, right or socially, after not doing time with her, losing to the Dodge book, they not getting the after party, so the special things again, like you guys are in the last episode, like that was really my reaction. I just really felt so special and like it's just a rare thing that I, like I get to experience or don't. I kind of hard on myself to an extent, but also, yeah, she just had a way of just constantly validating me being there, and so that helped me lean into it. I'm holy. So yeah, it was really special and I appreciate her too to this day.
Of those Yeah, and that goes such a long way in that environment, Like the little gestures where you're able to feel special when there's so many other people there, like really go long. And I feel like that probably helped you open up so much. And like we saw in that very first little one on one chat with you guys at the barbetwo, you were able to open up and show her your immigration card and kind of open up about your story there, which we love to just get you to talk more about because we know our listeners would love to hear more about it.
Yeah, going back to you know, charity in this process. Like, one thing that I realized, especially after not getting timed for so long, was how valuable time was. Right, everything is magnified, So I always equated it's like ten minutes of time here is like two months for the dating in the world. And so once I knew that I was going to get time, I said, whenever I have the opportunity to speak with there, I just wanted to just go deep and be intentional and just kind of cut through the bs and like not really just I think a lot of the guys had more of an approach of like, oh, let's keep it lying, shrow off front side, and but the limited time that you have on the show, you have to make the most of it, and in order to stop connection, you have to have real conversation and talk about things that are near and dear to you. So that was the reason for my approach there, that was like, let me just I'm not even playing games. I'm just getting hurd it. But like the deepest thing, and that's something I've never actually told even my out family. They don't even know how much the integration card needs to me. So that was the first time I shared that public or privately. And yeah, and then obviously she took that everything well. And again that was a defining moment for me too to see how intentional she was, because that's a the I'm the track to that I required, and my partner is who is intentional and can like appreciated tensionality and seeing her reaction to that, it wasn't basically like, oh that's meech. She could tell us she really like felt like she knew me a little bit better after that conversation. And so again that step of telling for obviously the following week where I got to go up to her room and and just did more of the same thing and just kind of poured my heart out. So yeah, got got invited to the bedroom the sky.
Canick it over the bedroom hang out.
Can you just tell us a little bit more about how the immigration lottery works. I know you said on the show your aunt called your mom and it kind of all went from there, but can you just tell us a little more about that process.
Yeah, and for our listeners, that is that's the conversation that you have on your date and this episode you open up about how you won the lottery for to get into the US, So, yeah, we're dying here.
More about that. Yeah, the lottery system is it's really just a way that countries allow immigrants into their country in a controlled way so that not everyone's rushing over. So's every country probably has I'm not super strong specifics, but generally speaking of the country has like a certain amount of people that'll let in from any given country. And so you had the opp quota and a cap and if you know, you apply for it, and it's really literally what it is. It's a lottery. So to be lucky to land it, you have to meet certain qualifications and turning standards to be able to apply. Once you apply, it's still really difficult. It's a really small percentage will get accepted. So I was four at the time of this happening. But like I said in the show, and my Auntie called my she seemed like an advertisement for a new type of lottery and she was really so she was in my hometown of Fresnel, and then she just had this feeling again, going back to this fate thing. I just now this is her her turn to have some faith bay story and then h yeah, so she just had to really called my mom and said, hey, I think I just had a good feeling about this and apply for this lottery. So my mom did, and then that's how we got accepted. And so I always think about that single fun call what would my life be? You know, And so that is like a really powerful thing to me that I just carry with me everywhere. So yeah, that's roughly speaking how lotteries work. That's yeah, that's that's that's that's insane. Do you and you're so young, like I don't, you know, I don't remember anything at four, but something like that is just so life changing. Do you do you remember like how you felt in that moment at that age or you know, I don't, but yeah, yeah, is obviously super young, unless you're like Georgia O Chief. I think she had many and she was like six months or something. Crazy. Yeah, yeah, I know, right force. But but the thing is like when I see pictures of like the house used to live at, I get a feeling it's a memory. It's like a feeling it's like my brand all connection but not quiet. But that's that's that's as far as it goes, got it.
You still have family back in Nigeria.
Yeah, I do. I have Most of them are at least like immediate or close to needed family. Your hare in the United States. But we have some in the UK. But we have some in Nigeria still. You know, generally speaking, the USA is like the Holy Grail, right, sobody wants to come here, but it's far again because they have these quotas and so you know, there's like a hierarchy. If you don't you can't make to the US and you go to Canada. You can't go to Canada, and then you go to UK, benger, UK, know, Australia.
So I firstly think Canada's pretty good. I know, I know it's second to the US in this situation, but it's first in my heart.
Iuse she was gonna jump on that.
I do you when you you led the way Canada.
Second, I knew we were getting.
Always gets the short strong compared to the US. I got to defend Canada. I have to defend Canada.
It's not the I'm not saying that, that's just the case, I'm just repeating.
What I'm okay, Don okay, we'll let it.
I love that Don get her aa okay, So let's and then let's go to like the the the lighter part of the date, which was the crazier part of the date. And now we are on this week's episode. You guys, bungee job.
What the fuck?
Like me if I'm about to go on day and I hear it's bungee jump, and I'm like, oh, you gotta be kidding me, Like really, were you into it?
Like how'd you feel?
What?
Was I into it?
No?
Nice? Okay, No that was And you will see in the ims like my biggest share is actually like Bundy jumping. And so when I my name was called and the card said lead will say it, I was like, okay, like it's gonna be Bundy jumping. Just that's just how you get how life works, right, And so I mber just pulling up and on the drive Dare and I'm just nervous because I don't know what we're doing yet, but I'm pretty sure. And then once you do figure out that it's sponge jumping, you mean, my heart just sank because I'm like, shit, shit, like, and I rememberized the first start agrees, just try to think or hope for something to get me out of this. And I was like, hopefully, like the weather picks that up, Hopefully something bad happened, and I don't have to do this because I'm not going to say no. I'm like a little pride for and I'm also trying to be strong for Charity. But I'm like, oh my god, I hope that something makes this day go wrong and you just have to go back. But no, that didn't happen. Maybe rested on But once we did the Bundy jeff Man, like you guys probably know, like coggering fears is one of the most powerful feelings yeah world. And so to do that, and then to do that with Charity, who also had a similar chair, it was a really special moment that I truly will never forget. Truly so glad I did it now in hindsight as always, but at the time, oh my god, like the way if I if you'll could feel my heart at that time, it was so crazy.
Either Joe or I are like big like adrenaline junkie heights risk people. So we were saying we feel like we would have reacted to responded very very similar to how you and Charity did.
But I was dying when you guys were like, let's do it again, Let's run it back, We're going a second time.
I was like they were literally both freaking out in their interviews, like three minutes ago.
Now they're jumping again. This is crazy.
No, exactly like that. That was how powerful it was. And it's funny because within the hour before jumping from arriving to a jump beating, it was like halfway through and I told Charity because she was like getting a little worked dope, and I was like, listen, it's gonna be so fun. We're gonna do it again. And I was just toldly, kid, we're both no, she knew I was kidding, and you like laughed and it made us feel better in the moment a little bit. And then just so fast forward to at the bottom of that jump, having done it and out conforted. Once we just like looked at each other and like we like knew immediately, We're like we're gonna do it again, right, We're like, yeah, let's do it, and so you know, then you just got back on it and it was a really powerful moment for us tree, Like I said, like that, it's hard to like top the connection like that in that moment when you're at the bottom of this thing that you just would just die for the last hour of doing and to do it together and to do it successfully. And yeah, so we said, let's just try it again, baby, like this, it's on our own turn. So right, we're not doing those scary stuff. That being said was he's gone on the platform. You both immediately regretted it again, but at that point we're too and he jumped off and we did a little bit bigger at the second time, and it was just a fun though.
Yeah, nice, I was I was hoping I was going to feel that way after I skydived, But when I got done, I literally said, this was not worth it.
I was a horrible experience. Take me to a restaurant. I'm done. I hate this.
I know for a fact I will never do this ship again.
Thank you. There is yes, I wouldn't be doing it again like I would have it, but which was all right there, I might do it again.
You know.
How stopped you in you'd be like, okay, I'll.
Jump, yeah exactly, you know, just kind of give it the middle finger, you know, like.
Now you know what to expect, and you also probably have some sort of fondness around the activity because it ended up being such a pause experience for you and Charity's relationship exactly.
It's coupled with something that's an extremely positive feeling, so spot on exactly, probably why.
It's easier back, Yeah, whereas Joe won't be jumping out of a food anytime soon, and neither will I.
Yeah, so this like right now after and I would say after this date, like you know, we could see it as viewers. It seems like your relationships strong, Like we're like, you know, you get the rolls and like, I don't think that's a shock to anyone. What are your what are your thoughts right now on what's going on with the other guys And mainly I guess, I guess Braden has expressed like his doubts about the process and every and everything, and like is there a part of you that's kind of like agreeing with what he's saying, And then like you know, is it is it messing.
You up in any way? Do you have any part of it? With the braid and stuff, it was a complicated situation in a way into like I understood a lot of things that he was saying, but it doesn't made it doesn't mean it makes it right, right, Like for me, it was just taken away from the whole point of being there. And I always tried to frame the whole experience as you know, Charity's journey and like try out to be self heute I'm making about me or myself. Obviously as contestants, we all signed up to have her date all of us each and so I feel like there's a certain level of respect to that process that it deserves and that the lead deserves, so in this case Charity. And so for that reason, as much as I understood the doubts, like of course you have doubts, of course, like this stuff is scary, but it's kind of like duh, So if you were going to be just expressing this the whole time, that it's kind of like, you know, like why are are you kind of here to be honest? You know, And so as as again, as much I think Brain's a dope guy, like he's he's you know, love the guy, but yeah, it just felt like maybe just it wasn't for him, you know, it felt like the show wasn't why I'm you know, considering what it entails. And so because of that, it takes away from the guys who really do want to figure out if there's a connection and are leading into it. And I think there's a difference. And I think people are calling him like he's emotionally what do they call it, not emotionally intelligent, and I think that's false. I think he's actually really in tune with his emotions as he expresses them quite often. Yeah, he lacks like the emotional maturity, right, like there's a time in a place and how to say things and how to voice your opinion and taking the information, aggregating it and then saying here's how I feel, right instead of just constantly just throwing daggers blind hit the law. And so that's what it felt like the greatest situation was that he was just kind of just a little too just not very cautious with things he was saying. And that's gonna again affect the show, will obseect that people ultimately affect charity. So for those reasons that that, those those are the graps I have braiding himself is not a bad guy. He's a good guy and he's got a good heart, but yeah, I just don't think Bachelor writers for him. Yeah, I mean I couldn't agree more.
And that was Yeah, I think you said it perfectly because you don't disagree with a lot of what he's saying in his fears and concerns. It's just how vocal he is about them, and the process is hard. Like he's not wrong in that, but I just don't think it was a fit for him.
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's like to take time, and I think I don't know if this is true. One off his fun facts. He doesn't like to meditate, and like you should probably start to.
You should be meditating on what just happened on this shelf.
Literally, that's probably all you should be doing. So your girls out out to discuss you about how they express your emotions in a healthy way that is not like and I come off manipulative or toxic, And like I said, I don't think he's those things, but it can come off like that next you know, which that leads into the relationship. So yeah, that's all it is. Things, just emotional Niturian.
Did you at any point consider bringing the issues with it in and the men and the house to charity or what was kind of your opinion on that. You don't have to comment on the other guys if you don't want to, But like your approach to the right situation personally.
I mean my approach to the right situationine into a life in general is like I don't do drama. I don't think there's a lot of value in drama, so generally I like to I think things fall into place as they should and if they are so, I would have never done that. I would have never My whole goal was to just build our relationship that I had a charity giving the time that I have, it's so limited. I couldn't even fathom for a second. I think there's a single time where you can mention any Yeah, no, you don't, which is what I want.
That's why I like You're somebody who I'm watching. I'm like, yeah, this guy, like, like you know what you're doing, Like you're there for a purpose, You're trying to see if this is going to work, and you're focused. Like You're one of the few guys who I'm like, I see this with Joey too. He's another one where I'm like these guys are just really focused on why they're there, why they want to be there, and the goal not.
To consider charity a goal, but like the goal is too fall in love.
So I mean, I personally I see that in you.
So I appreciate you also mentioning that, uh, charity's not because people would be like, oh, like are you gonna win? It's like it's not anything. This is like stressful, Like you know, if you're looking at it in that frame, that's insane. You know, like there's not a game like it's it's really tough. As much fun as we're having on these dates, it's a really tough process. And again that's what Rating was expressing, which I understand. But there's a way to sit with big emotions. I understand them. And you know, if you want to go home and it's not for you, then that's you know doing on your own accoord. You know, like a man, whatever, go ahead, and you know, take that step and and and leave instead of like having this back and forth and kind of sucking the air out of the road in a way, so for me, I could never worry about, like speaking to anybody else what rappens outside of that. It happens that being said my I'm mad at Aaron Stitch. No, it's not out of that. If anybody wants to go snitch and this, I'm not gonna hold you back. I going handle that. Go let her know that's cool with me. I'm just gonna sit back. Shit, just watch my wine in my hand. But otherwise, yeah, I just don't know if that's the best approach is to be talking about other Like I said, I mean it, it's two months. So if you talk about anyone for five minutes, you just wasted a month on somebody else. Yeah, that you spent on yourself and her getting you know you, and then if you just get you get coupled with that, right, you get coupled with nine time I think of this person, I'm not thinking of this person instead of just thinking of that person by themselves. So it just doesn't seem wise to do that. So it was never my character or my mindset to arror anything like that.
I'm just listening to how you're you're going about it, and I'm just like, yeah.
That's all.
So it all checks out as far as like what, let's go lighter, like, like what guys are you close with in the house, like who are your guys and and and do you feel comfortable talking to them about your relationship At this point.
I'm close with probably, I mean every other guys like artists, got such a great time just about like there's not a single guy that I can't say anything to. But I see if I connect to the most, probably Canner and Joey probably care because like I like him, are with the most uh similarian in terms of like he's kind of like he's not ever gonna really talk to anybody else, you know, Like we were the guys like any type. Someone did something said something like look at each other. You know that you know that friend that you always think I contacted someone does something stupid that would be a tenner, And so we're both like really live with life, but like have some time at least I believe, have some type of convention. And so I connected with him to the strongly throughout the while we were there, And I would say Joey going back to that intentionality, I mean, there's no one more intentional than Joey, even like seeing how he looks at Charity, that's how he looks at me too, and not in like a weird older, but like he no, like in the best way, Like he's just so intentional and I love that. Like that again is huge for me. I am not one for small talk. I don't Jimmy don't like small talk or like you know, talking about like what colorless guy is. And but Joey Timmy time me talk. We got deep talk about things didn't matter. And so yeah, Joey, Joey's he's my brother. He's definitely my brother a big time. And so obviously those are the two guys. And at this point do I feel comfortable sharing my relationship. I could if they asked, but I'm not again one to ever go out and be like, hey, you're what we did? Generally, I kept what I had under wraps, and I think part of the reason was like out of respect for charity and like the relationship that we have, but also I didn't. Once again going back to people thinking like this is a game, I can see what happens is when people start talking about their dates and how it went and what they liked about that person, and other guys started to pick up and take notes, and they start to alter their personality to fit that mold into what the other person did to you know, WU charity or whatever, and so I wanted her to have the rawest parts of everybody, and that showed that she can pick foot, you know, our urchin. And so for me, I tried to keep everything I said or any any of our interactions in our dates super under wraps, because I don't want it's not for you to know, just be yourself. It's like my favorite and again, it's thought about winning. It's about her finding the person that's going to be right for her. And so for those reasons, I generally didn't really speak on our relationship. I just kind of I mean, eventually they see slowly Australia, right, you get a group date rooms, it's like, what the hell did this? What the hell is this guy? As far as I do, I've only talk to at the barbecue for like ten minutes, and then I had this like what how does this guy getting? So I think eyebrows were raised, but I just kind of kept the tie lived and kept it short and just had had a great time anytime. So when asked again, I got a respect for for Charity and her process.
I think that's a really good approach.
That's similar to the approach I took in the sense I kept my relationship when I was on the show very private. Anytime anyone tried to talk to me about their relationship, and I was kind of like, la la, la la la, like I don't want to know that, Like I don't need to know. It's okay, I'm not asking, please don't tell me. And I do think that it's very easy to start to feel a competitive nature in that environment, especially when you're comparing your relationship to other people's and when people are so openly talking. But I think we're really seeing that with Braiden and Aaron b They both seem quite vocal, especially Braiden. I think there's maybe a little bit of comparison going on there and a little bit of competitive nature coming in.
And I think that the less you know about the other people's.
Relationships something you know about yours, the easier it is to just focus on you and your relationship, figure it if that's going to work, and not worry.
About other people's.
Bingo, you nailed it. The comparison is a feature of joy, right, and this show will make you compare even if you don't want to. And so, like you said, people are telling me about your days. Simple, I was doing the same thing, you know, so I relate to you one hundred percent, and that that you just don't want it to affect you. And then also you get in your head and then you're getting your showing size of yourself you may or may not be for better. So for those reasons, I just feel like the best approach something like this, if you want to take it seriously, is to just let relationships, you know, flow as they are and just be yourself. And then I hope that if you like that person, you know them at at the end.
So yeah, Or if you're Warwick, you know, you show who you are and you realize there's no connection and you go.
Home a little Warwick shout, what do we think about?
What would I love it so much? Oh my god? Yeah exactly, unless you're that's a disregise. Work is going to be fine. Trust me.
Warwick seemed absolutely fine, which I respect. You know, He's like, this is me. I'm not really looking for a relationship. I'm just doing my thing and there's no connection here and I'm gonna go home. So it's if it's not your person, it's okay to go home. That's that's the win. You're not ending up with someone you're not meant to end up with. And if you show who you are and you end up with that person, then it was meant.
To be exactly what.
If you if you could tease the season without spoiling it, let's hear it, and we're gonna play a quick game.
Okay, I can tease the season without spoiling it. Yeah, just just I gven just feel like this is such a good group of guys and I just want you to tune in it.
All right.
I have one more really quick question that I've meant to ask at the top before we get into this game. How have your family and friends reacted to being on the show and like washing it back so far? Oh?
Overwhelmingly positive, which has been such a big shock to me. Again, Like to be honest, initially coming on here, there's a bit of like imbars, you know, a little bit which I'm hoping is natural. I'm hoping that's normal and it doesn't turn to pole off. But yeah, you're just like, I don't know, I want this TV show and I didn't know anything about it obviously, and but going on it and after being back and hearing how everyone's just really loud and they're really they felt like I was myself right, people were watching it and my friends are challying like you're yourself. And so it's been overwhelming positive because of that, and it's just super unexpected. So a lot of support, a lot of luod. Yeah, and I'm just so happy about everything and experiencing itself.
USh, that's great, great, all right, sorry to take us off track. We got a game coming up.
Rapid Fire, rabid fire first and that comes to your mind, let's say it.
You're ready? Yeah?
Are you with?
No?
What is the first thing you do when you wake up?
Med? It's eight for ten minutes. That's good, it's good.
A wellness man.
How do you like your pizza, all meat, whatever? Whatever? The all selection is. I'm getting that one, the pepperoni, the ham, the thought, I'm getting that one. You're the first guy.
You're the first guy that's been on the on the show for this season that hasn't said pineapple. Really yeah, every guy has said pineapple.
We were shocked too.
They're animals.
Best dating advice you have ever received?
A stating advice I ever received. Love is not always enough.
Okay, that is really good advice.
What is your go to cocktail? It's a great one, say tiens, all right?
Who is your Who is one person living or not that you would like to have dinner with?
Wild Lane? I'm a lie, I would say, I don't know why by George Washington j whead So that's not that light.
Are you a history person?
That's not. I don't know a lot of about a George Washing I But you said the first thing that comes to why, So yeah, first of it goes to answer you're a George Washington guy? What what could he? Will we say?
What is one word or phrase that your friends used to describe you?
Really empathetic? Do you have any bad habits? Restless light syndrome? But I'm not diagnosed by a lot a lot?
What is your go to karaoke song?
Girls just want to have fun?
And an astronaut costume with yellow exactly?
Yes, I wish I added on I would put that thing.
Off of this whole airitew Oh my god, that would have been amazing. What is your current screensaver photo on your phone?
Oh? It is just nature rocks. That's the nature, right. If you could visit anywhere in the world. Where would you go? I would go to Antarctica? This is what the hell's up there? Yeah?
Yeah, that's that's a that's actually I think, Serena, you want to Antarctica.
Didn't you? No?
I did not, nor do I ever intend on going. I went to Alaska, cruise of my family Alaska.
Yeah, the warm weather goal.
There's been such people that have ever been to an Antica, so it would be full to be what are those people just for? All right?
Dont honestly, thank you so much. We really appreciate you coming on and being open and honest with us and to our listeners. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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