Big Moments at the ‘Men Tell All’

Published Aug 15, 2023, 7:01 AM

Last night, the men of Charity’s season hashed it out on the “Men Tell All,” and as we expected, they did not disappoint. Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena share their thoughts on every jaw-dropping moment, including Xavier’s heavily anticipated sit-down with Charity, Brayden answering for his behavior in the house, and “Hot Sean’s” self-appointed moment in the hot seat.  

Plus, Joe and Serena give their take on the advice Charity received from Trista, DeAnna, and Desiree, and then gush over seeing Golden Bachelor Gerry sitting down on the “Bachelor” stage for the first time.

Hello everyone, Well, oh no, yeah, I like it all right.

Welcome back to another episode of Boucher Happy Hour. I'm your host Serena and I'm Jel. That was so exciting for me. I've never done the intro.

You could do it from now on if you'd like. Really, yeah, we could switch it up.

Okay, we could take turns.

All right, nice, you want to keep going?

Sure, you know what, this is my time to shine. I'm gonna I'm gonna take it away, guys. So we are going to dive right in to our Bacher Nation breakdown, which we are starting our episodes off with. For those of you that don't know, it is the highlights since we last talked to you in Bacher Nation News, and there has been a ridiculous amount that has happened.

Yeah, let's get into it. First thing, we actually had noan Abigail on our last podcast, so if you didn't listen, check it out. But so happy for them. We're still celebrating them because they got engaged. They were on our season of Paradise Bachelor Paradise season number seven, the most successful paradise of all time.

I know, six couples. Yeah, it's crazy, it's very exciting, truly.

Yes, we have a baby coming out of it, Becca and Thomas, we have weddings, we have engagements. Yeah, I don't I don't know why. Maybe it was because there was that COVID break where they took a year off and people were just like just like ready.

I think that has something to do with it. Yeah, I feel like coming out of COVID, everyone not everyone, but there was a lot of people that were like, you know what, I'm ready to settle down, like I'm ready to commit to a relationship. Or they just got lucky with a lot of really good people who were able to form strong connections. But we are so excited for Abigail Andanoa. Definitely go check out that interview, and we're so happy to be able to include their engagement in our Vaster Nation breakdown today.

Absolutely so yeah, good for them. And then on the opposite ends of the spectrum, we do have an unfortunate breakup in Bristol and Jason Tartik officially ended their engagement. You know that that's a tough one because I'm friends with both of them. I really like both of them. I like them together. But at the end of the day, if they're if they're not happy, you know, they need to they need to change that, and that seems to be what happened. But it's never easy going through a breakup, and I'm sure they're going through it. So yeah, I don't know, it's it's tough. What are your thoughts?

Yeah, I think there was definitely some speculation about the breakup a little bit prior to the statement. Then the statement obviously got released, and I think there's still people that are like, there's got to be more, like what's happening, Like why did they break up? But it sounds like, based on everything they've said, it was just it didn't work out and it was both of their decision, and there's still a lot of love and respect between the two of them, which is, you know, as much as you can hope for after being together for four years and ending that with someone. I know they live together. They have two dogs that they share that I think they're going to continue to share. That's gonna be tough, Which that's that's tough. That's tough, like the little fur baby is having to keep that string connecting you to But it sounds like there's still a lot of love and respect there and they're just gonna go their separate ways. And sometimes sometimes relationships don't work out and it's sad when it happens, but it's probably sounds like for the best.

Yeah, well, one thing that's tough, and you know, you have to expect that somewhat when you become you know, when you step into this world of public relationships, I guess or whatever. You know, you go on the Bachelor and if if you're in a Bachelor relationship, it is public via social media and then you have you know, rightfully, so everyone's going to have their opinions, right or wrong. But it does suck for Jason and Caitlin because you know, you're getting like, oh, she's getting a lot of the blame or he's getting the blame. But at the end of the day, like we don't know the inside of their relationship, so it's just like maybe they yeah, maybe it's it's just it didn't work out and they both knew it and that's it.

Yeah. Yeah, I've seen a lot of different comments and guesses on what was going on and a lot of blame being thrown around, but at the end of the day, like you just don't know, you know, what I mean, like you don't know what's going on inside someone's relationship. Like you can speculate all you want, but at the end of the day, you have to just take what they said and believe that as their truth. And if there's other stuff that they don't want to share or there's nothing else, like you just don't know and you have to respect their privacy. But I think it looks like they're both taking some time off of social media. I know Caitlin put out a statement saying she was going to take a break, and I think that's for the best. I know if I was going through a breakup, I would not want to see. You know, there's a lot of support, but there's also a lot of negative comments out there too, which you know, can only add salt to the wound.

It's not easy, but you know what they'll get, they'll get through it. So moving on positive news, let's I'm this bachtro Nation breakdown with some something positive.

Let's do it.

Nick Fayel and Natalie are well. She's pregnant.

She is pregnant. I'm so excited for them.

Me too, me too. We're friends with them, very happy form. We didn't see it coming we didn't know. We were out to dinner with them not too long ago in La and you and Natalie always have wine together. And I don't think she had a drink.

Yes, she didn't order a drink, and at the time, I didn't really think anything of it. I know that Nick always jokes that Natalie wastes more alcohol than she drinks. She's like the queen of ordering a drink, just like have it and sipped. And she decided to not order one. I was like, Okay, no worries, Like I won't order one either, We'll just drink water tonight. And then little do you know, a few months later, Bam, We've got a pregnancy announcement. So yeah, we're very excited for them. I know she posted she's had she's been very tired and very sick in the beginning of her pregnancy, so we're just wishing her a very smooth rest of her pregnancy and we can't wait to meet little baby Viall and yeah, yeah.

All right, let's get into it. The men tell all, let's let's break it down and make sure to tune into the second half of this episode that we dropped later this week because we interview all the guys, we interview Xavier, and we also have Charity back on. We love having her on the podcast. Can't get enough of Charity, so make sure to check that out. Okay, men, tell all.

I really liked that episode actually interviewing. I think we interviewed like six different people in like quick little segments to get their thoughts and feelings on the Mental all and just have some follow up questions, And it was almost like a speed dating episode. And I feel like all the interviews were great. They all had really fun insights and things to say, and we got to meet some of the new guys. We got to have some people back. So yeah, definitely check it out. Those were my favorite episodes that we've recorded.

Yeah, it was fun. It was fun because it felt like we were there, you know. Yeah, well we technically were. Okay, first up, well, what's the first big thing that happens here? I have Sean kind of goes at Braiden pretty quickly on Yeah.

I think the beginning of the Mental really focused and surrounded Braiden. Yeah, he was kind of the biggest character, I guess you could say, of the first half of the season. He caused most drama, so he.

Also he also admits that like he's that is who he is. He's an outspoken, loud person, and you know, when you go on a show like this, you're obviously being that type of person. I guess you make yourself a target.

Yeah, And I think at the end of the day, like the environment just wasn't for Braiden and it just was not something that was going to work for him. I just felt like there was no real reconciliation with this segment because Braiden basically stood by everything he said and did on the show for the most part, and the guys basically disagree.

Well, not all the guys he had. He had a few guys backing him up. I think like Aaron s was backing him up. There was a few guys that were like, you know, this is who he was. I kind of I mean, like yeah, like I think, like hate him or love him like I think he was. I think Braiden was was always honest.

Yeah, I mean I think we are Braiden fans. I thought there was There's an interesting take on it of like is Braiden the drama or is it the people that are bringing like the accusations about Brandon to charity that are the drama, Like who do you really put the blame on here, like Braiden for kind of just being himself and being honest. And that's not to say I agree with everything that he was saying or doing, or do you put the blame on the people that are you know, taking it back to charity and like making it drama in the house, do you know what I mean?

Yeah, well, I mean you need a part of that just just for television purposes, but also you have like so you have Adrian saying Braiden called charity class list, and the show literally posts there's no footage of that. No better believe if Branden called charity classless, which I don't know if he did or not, but if they had footage, there's no way that that wouldn't hollow. Would that not be released?

Oh if Brandon called charity class list, they are playing it at the mental Hall for everyone to see. So I do feel like that was a word that was just taken out of everything he was saying. But like, yeah, Adrian, it looks like it looks like you made that one up. It looks like he didn't actually say it was not a direct quote from Braiden.

Yeah, And in Adrian's defense, I feel like he was one of the guys that approached Braiden because we do hear Braiden say. My issue with the guys is not of them had an issue with me there, Like none of them came up like besides like Adrian and then Aaron b everyone would seem according to Braiden, and the way it seems is they were all like buddy buddy with him.

My thing though with Braiden is he does kind of strike me as a guy who's not great at reading the room. He is someone that, like I feel like, gets really caught up in his own emotions, his own feelings.

But for reality TV, you better have people that don't know how to read a room.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I mean it's great. We loved him on TV. Like I'm not putting him down, as he was great TV. But my point is, like I don't think he would be someone like I guarantee you, like there's guys sitting in the room being like Braiden, everyone is annoyed with you right now? How do you not see that or feel that? Like, for example, on that group day out in the Woods when Tanner was in his interviews be like, Braiden, you're doing the most like do less. I'm sure every guy is standing there looking at each other being like, oh, this is so annoying, and Braiden is just not picking up on it. So like I can imagine like it was probably obvious to everyone else that everyone was feeling that way about him, but until he watched it back and heard people explicitly saying the stuff in interviews. And my thing with Braden is I don't think people were like, you're a jerk, we don't like you. I think he was a just really getting on people's nerves and b he was being he was oversharing about his feelings with Charity and his speculation. Probably he needed to like reel it in, and I think the people that had problems with him on that front did express it.

Yeah. And then here another guy that the guy's kind of basically blamed for not being able to read the room and they called him out on it is hot Sewan when he came in, and that's the next thing we see. It's kind of hot Schew first the guys and the guy's basically just saying, like you came in like whistling like I'm having such a great time and stole time from us and we were upset.

YadA YadA, YadA, yeah, which I feel like wasnt a huge amount of drama, but definitely big on that one group date. And we actually did get a chance to talk to Sean more about that in our interview of like why he did that, because from a viewer perspective, I was very much with the guys of like Sean read the room, what are you doing, but he actually kind of gave more insight as to like why he acted that way. So definitely listening on the interview because it was just interesting to get his perspective on it. But I feel like the whole first half was like the guys versus Branden, Braiden and Sean versus each other, and then the guys versus Sean.

But also everyone was very tame, Like I kind of wish people really went after each other more because it would just be more fun to watch. I feel like they all handled it pretty maturely.

For the most part. I don't feel like there was like an apology tour going on, though, which I do like to see. I feel like sometimes people come to the reunions and they're like, I'm so sorry for every single thing I said and did. Please forgive me. And then everyone's like, oh my god, we forg give you. Like Braden and Sean both kind of like for the most part, like stood by their actions and like gave reasoning for why they did them.

Yeah yeah, and that we have Okay, So this was this was the curveball. It's so weird. The whole just the whole thing.

Was just very shocking and came out of nowhere.

Shocking, came out of nowhere, like very like fourth grade type of It.

Was just I couldn't not believe that this is something that was going on.

So night one guy, his name's Pilot Pete, not to be mistaken for Pilot Pete, but he went home night one and I, according to the men there, he was standoffish and rude, which and I brought it up to some of the guys when I talked to him, like you don't know internally what he's battling with, and that that first night, like we could all speak to it, especially me, Like I had so much anxiety that first night. It was really hard to talk to people or be friendly so like for them to be like, oh, he's not one of us, like he's he's a dick.

Yeah, they definitely seem to like write him off right away. So it's like a lot of them had negative interactions with him. John B did say that he like sat down next to him, like angled his body to the camera and was like, so, who do you think's here for the wrong reasons? Which I like, so what to be honest, like the guy maybe for all we know, Like he was like, Oh, this is what I'm supposed to do, like this is what I've seen happen on the show. Like he might have just been like, I feel really awkward. I don't know what to do. I'm gonna do what I think is the right thing.

Also, there's seven cameras in front of your face, like he's never done it before, so yeah, he's probably just trying to do it correctly.

But I feel like he's little grace.

But so everyone's up to date, which I'm assuming you are. I'm assuming you watched. This all started because the guys posted on social media their cast photo and underneath it they hashtagged FP.

I don't really know if it was a hashag. I think they just put FP.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe it was just f P, which was which stands for fuck Peter, because they all kind of got together and they were like, fuck that guy, we don't like him.

Yeah. I guess it ended up being like a running joke for the rest of the season, which like, this guy went home night one. He clearly made such an impact on all of these people for them to have talked about him this long, but they all were like, screw Peter, he sucks all season. And then I guess at the meeting that you have before the show airs where they kind of just run you through the dues and don'ts coming up, he was asking a lot of questions, making a lot of jokes, and after that they decided to put fuck Peter at the end of their captions. For all their cast photos. I think there was like fourteen of them that did it, so not an insignificant number. It was probably like in the group chat with most of the cast where they decided, oh, haha, this is gonna be so funny. Yeah, what are your thoughts on this?

Well, I don't think it was funny and I think it's I think it's just mean. Now, like you know, I guess in the guys, if I'm going to defend them in any way, it would be like, yeah, would anyone really know what FP meant? No, But you have to assume if they're all doing it, people are going to try to be people are going to try to figure it out.

The way that he just Brayden ended up telling him yeah, and it just it just seemed it just honestly, it was just like rude and mean and childish and like like yeah, I like why, like how old are you guys? It was ridiculous, honestly, Like I was cringing the whole time, especially when they were all trying to defend themselves and be like, oh my god, Peter, like get over it, Like it's not that big of a deal. Like you wouldn't even have known what it meant if, like Brandon didn't tell you. It's like that doesn't neglect the fact that you literally fourteen of you are so consumed by this guy Peter that you put fuck Peter in your bios. Like I just think it's ridiculous. I think it's so rude. I don't think it's funny personally, Like the fact that they all sat in this group chat and like spent their time making a joke out of putting someone else down, and the only person that apologized for it was Xavier, which I thought was really nice.

And Braiden because he obviously a Brayden. But I also don't there's okay, so let's just end this topic here because there's not much more to talk about it. But there's obviously there's obviously more to the story that we're eventually, I would assume going to see because there's got you have Aaron and Aaron S, Aarons and Caleb who started it, we're still kind of like fuck you, yeah, coming at them still, so there has to be something. I'm assuming we're going to see something else.

Aaron S was like you, like, I think I literally wrote down what he said. Aaron I said, you are a bitch, and he was like, you're fake. Like he stood by everything. He did not have any remorse for what they did, and there still seemed to be like a lot of like anger, Like I feel like something must have happened also recently, as I was mad at someone who like pissed him off night one on The Bachelor, like months ago.

Also like people going on reality TV shouldn't call other people on reality TV fake. It's kind of like, you guys are all everyone's a little fake. You're good, Oh, you're all put you all like like you're still like going on reality TV. Like, I don't know whatever. I just think it's I thought just the whole thing was ridiculous, but I think we'll eventually see some more.

I think the perfect word for it is it was really childish and I just don't think and rude and the fact that they were like it was an inside joke, like trying to defend that it's okay because it was a secret. Like it's never funny to make a whole joke with fourteen guys putting down one other guy that you don't even know.

Yeah, and how's he even supposed to respond? Yeah, and then they're judging him on his response. So let's move on. We get a hot seat. Of course, Braiden gets the first hot seat with Jesse and basically just kind of expresses that he got to the point with the process it didn't really have much to do with charity. He just couldn't get down on one knee, and that's when he decided to tell her that he was leaving. I mean really, that's yeah.

I don't think there's really much more to say about it, if I'm being honest. I mean, yeah, we've covered the braid and stuff start to finish. We had a good interview with him that people can hear more of what he has to say. But I think we're ready to move on from Bachelorette Branden to Bachelor and Paradise Braiden, which is what we saw in his hot seat. He looks like he has a good connection with Kat from Zach's season, and I think there'll be a lot of people that criticize him, like, oh, like the Bachelorette didn't work for you, and now you're going on another reality show. But I will say to those people, like Bachelor in Paradise Formatt is so different and just because Baucher a Boucher it didn't work for you, does not mean Paradise will not.

Yeah, And I do want to mention the one funny thing that he said which was true, is that he there was no one in the driver's and they kept Aaron Bee kept saying hit the gas and was like, there's nobody in there.

That was so funny.

That was funny Okay, so yeah, we're going to see more of Branden. Like him or not, he makes for great TV. We like him and I can't wait to watch him on Paradise because I think he's going to be entertaining.

And I want to declare something right now on Paradise. When we recap Paradise, which I'm so excited for, we are not going to be talking about Braiden's earrings anymore, are we?

No?

I think worth that topic.

To bead Aarons or Branden's air rings. We put that to bed in any Yosa jokes need.

To be put We can put that to bed to his daughter. You know, I think we've we should just let her rest. She he doesn't need to be made a joke anymore at this point.

This girl has graduated college.

Because it's been going on that long.

Okay, next hot seat is probably the one that everyone was waiting the most to see, and that is Xavier. Now, we saw Xavier's exit, and you know, we we already discussed, you know, his his conversation with Charity and how rough and he basically just couldn't he couldn't admit that he couldn't come to terms with that. He wouldn't ever cheat.

Seeing it again on the Mental All, this is one of the most unique situations I've seen on the show in a while. Like, I don't think there's ever been a contestant breakup where it's like, I'm sending you home because you can't promise you would cheat on me.

Yeah, and he's I think he's still like he said, he got a therapist. He's working on himself. Like I just I think it's as simple as the guy just isn't isn't ready yet, And I think that's I think it's you know, I think his biggest fault on the show was not telling Charity earlier because she he for anyone, really that's going to be a deal breaker. But that's something that she should have known earlier because that would have gave somebody like Aaron B the opportunity to stick around one hundred percent.

And usually I would say, like, oh, you know, Aaron B or whatever wasn't going to be our person anyway, so like it doesn't matter, but she actually had a really strong connection with Aaron B. I mean, we see he's back potentially now, and I think one hundred percent she would have sent Xavier home and kept Aaron b and continued furthering that connection, which was actually very strong had she known in advance. He waited too long. Like it's as simple as that. But I think it's good that he's working on himself. Yeah. My takeaway is the same as yours. Like he has a fear of committing someone for the rest of his life. That's normal, that's okay. Yeah, but his fear seems to be a big indicator that he's just not ready, Yeah, and maybe doesn't want to do it yet and that's okay. And the fact that he doesn't feel confident in himself not to cheat on someone, Like you need to work through that independently before you get into a serious relationship, Like you can't. Like if you came to me and you're like, I'm scared, I'm not going to cheat on you while we were married, But if this was early on, I would be like, you gotta go fix that before we get into a relationship, Like I can't help you with that, ye hundred percent.

So yeah, I mean that's kind of I mean, that's really all I think we need to touch on that hot seat and then we could just move right into charity.

Did I feel like there wasn't a lot of hot seats in this. It was literally Brandon, Xavier, Charity, hot Sean gave himself one.

Hot Sean gave himself one that was funny. That was funny, good for him. Yeah, I just I think she had really strong connections with the guys at the end, her final four guys and Branden. Yeah, and other than that, the connections were all very there, won't I don't think they were really there, and I think we saw that, like it's like somebody like Tanner who went really far.

I loved Tanner. Yeah, I think I just short in the stick, Like I hope he goes to Paradise because I think if he has a connection, he'll really shine. He just seems like such a good guy.

Yeah, I agree, but like you don't really give him a hot seat at at the mental well because he doesn't have much to talk about because we saw, we saw what the relationship was and it really wasn't much.

And I'm sure there was more than what we saw, but like it's hard when you don't get a one on one to then get a hot seat because we aren't that invested in that relationship as viewers.

So they bring Charity out, talk about talk about basically just kind of run through her season. The first thing that happens Charity Braiden, they talk. I think it was handled mature on both of their ends.

Yes, Her kind of main points were that she didn't like how he spoke to the guys about her, Yeah, which I think is fair. I think he definitely was more careful with his word choices with Charity than he was when he was chatting with the guys. And then she felt like she gave him too much grace on the show, which I think is you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty.

Sure. Yeah, and I think she liked them, so you might as well keep him around. And you know, if Braden was able to make it work, who knows what could have happened.

Yeah, you want to keep the people that you have a connection with.

But yeah, but that's it for them, and we can. I think we wrap that and we're going to seem more of Braiden. Like we said in Paradise, hot Schawn, like we just mentioned, comes up, gives himself a hot seat. Funny moment that was hope he better be in Paris.

He better be in Paradise. That was so funny to be because he did it with such confidence and I felt like it wasn't spontaneous, like in the moment, he was like, this is my this is gonna be great. I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna, you know, have this intimate moment with Charity, and Charity's body language to him was literally like yeah, leaned away from him, just in shock, and so was Jesse's the whole time. And then Jesse was like shout, get out of here, like you don't get a hot seat.

Yeah, very funny. And then we have Charity Xavior they talk. This is kind of what I believe people are gonna want to see.

You skipped over John B.

What about him?

Well, him and Charity had a little chit chat moment.

Yeah, they had a chitchat moment. But that's not I put John B in the same category with Tanner. I think they're really nice guys. I just don't think there was a real connection there. Yeah, so I mean sure, but I think she she I mean, how do you mean, they're they're good looking, nice guys. So there's nothing that she would like about him.

It just just wasn't the guy.

It wasn't the guy for her, and then we have Okay, so Charity Xavier they have they have that conversation. The first point Charity brings up is, yeah, you should have had that conversation with me sooner.

And we actually asked Charity about that in our interview with her what she would have done if Xavier told her earlier what she said, tune in to find out I have to listen, go back and listen.

Yeah, I have to re listen and yeah, it's kind of the same thing. It's like Xavier, you know he I think he's now aware like he was he should have had that conversation earlier. He kept saying I don't want to cheat, when Charity is like, you should say I won't cheat, which is which, Yeah, if you're about to get down on one me.

Thing is is I don't think he would have been I think he would have been lying if he said I won't cheat on you. I think his honest answer was I don't want to cheat on you. I think that's as as much as he could give her.

Yeah, which is all we could. I mean, I guess like, yeah, like at the end of the day, one thing that's true is Xavier is honest. So if he does, if he does cheat on you in the future, he's probably gonna tell you.

That's one thing you can be certain. He will tell you that he cheated, But he might cheat.

He's he's honest. I mean, he was honest. Like, you can't you can't fault him for that much.

Yeah, because he very well could have a not told Charity at all, Yeah, or be told her and fedter a bunch of bullshit of like I would never do it again, which is obviously not how he feels.

Like it would like people don't like I guess, like, if you are going to give him some credit, Yeah, it is telling her regardless of when he told her, like he did tell her, Like there are people that potentially would have went on the show, could have went all the way, got down on one knee, and then tell her, you know, two months down the road. Yeah, so you know that. I guess her hearing it late is still better than not hearing yet till after a potential engagement.

Oh yeah, well, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of worst case scenarios. There's a lot of other situations that could be a lot worse and Devil's advocated, No, I know you like Xavier, and I think that he.

Yeah, I mean I don't really know him that well. He seems to Yeah, like at the end of the day, like you know, no one's.

I don't think anyone. He's not a bad person. I just think he, like Charity said, dug himself a hole and just kept digging himself deeper and deeper in the situation.

Yeah, but it's all okay because he does knitter a Rose. He does well. Thing I think I jatted out of my notes was the music that was played when he when he was bringing the knit at Rose. I was like, what Sometimes I get confused with the show where I'm like, is this a nice dramatic scene or is this a comedic scene? I honestly, I can't tell which way this is going, because to me, I was like.

This is what did you think he was doing when he said I'm going to get up for a second.

I just figured he was going to get to give her something that was meaningful to both of them. Yeah, But like it's also like I just feel like once you hit, like once you go to the mental hall like Xavier, you are not like yeah, like she she hopefully chose someone else, so like also kind of know that like there's another guy now, you know.

So it's like you felt like he was overstepping.

No, I don't know. I don't think he overstepped with the rose, but like he could have overstepped like when he got up, I'm saying when you're like, what, what'd you think he was going to get? Wait?

I'm sorry, what are you saying right now? You said?

What do you I'm saying Sometimes the end, guys will like.

Well basically be like I still love you and if it doesn't work out, like I'm yeah, and.

Just like they'll sometimes I feel like, I don't know, like on like social media, they like post at the end and I'm kind of like, yeah, but you know it wasn't there's like another guy now.

I mean we don't know that though, And I guess he's thinking like, hey, if you're not with someone or if you're with someone that's not working out, like you know, just testing the waters here. But yeah, it is. I think there's I think it's hard and I think there's a fine line, especially with the final four of being like, you know, this awkward region of I had this really intimate relationship with you, and you were the only person I was in a relationship with for that period of time, and I feel very close to you, even if it's just like a friendship now. So I want to like be kind and supportive, but like I don't want to come across as like I'm trying to hit on you still, Like I do think it's an awkward relationship that, like any of the final four has with the lead. Sure, just to like give him a little bit of credit, And.

I'm assuming I don't think she kept Do you think she kept the rules?

I don't think she kept throws storry Xavier and you're listening to this, I don't think she kept your rose. I don't think she kept that, especially if she's with someone else. You can't keep that rose.

No, you can't keep the rose. Okay, So then that's basically that's basically that we see bloopers. We we do see the man from New Orleans give hot Shaw on a rose, which was a nice, nice sweet moment.

Was it? I felt it up for Tanner. I just felt like Shot outshined him a little bit on that two on one day. And then they bring back the guy on the boat to be like you were my favorite too.

I was like, come on, yeah.

Uh.

And then we have some ex bachelorettes come back to give Charity some advice and we've seen uh, we just had Trista on our last episode a Happy Hour. If he didn't check it out, check it out. But Trista Dianna and Doesira. Yes.

So Trista was the first ever bachelorette season one and now we're at seas twenty, which is incredible. So she's celebrating her twentieth anniversary with her husband. She has two beautiful kids. And then Deanna is season four and this is her first return to the franchise after her divorce, so you know, maybe we'll see her again, maybe in quite a few years. Golden Bachelorette Territory. She's got time is she's still single, which she seems like a total catcher dope she will be. And then Desiree was season nine, who is still with her guy to this day, and I believe has two children as well. So a great panel of bacherettess to give Charity some advice and some love and support.

Yeah just gave them, you know, Yeah, Salad gave her solid marital advice and just advice for after the show. Yeah, I think that pretty much is a big love fest, love fast love fest. We love a nice love fest. And then we have the love man himself, Gary, Gary, the Golden Bachelor's out there. Gary, such a gem, just such a sweetheart. We see his we saw that. That was like the Good Morning America.

It was like his package introduction package video of who Gary is, his story And because you haven't seen it already, which I don't know how anyone wouldn't have seen it, I feel like it's everywhere.

Yeah, yeah, and I think people are really really excited for it. You know, I can't wait to watch him. I can't wait to see what this is.

Right, I'm just like patiently waiting for the super teaser for his season where they just so like the big long teaser of everything that's gonna happen, and I'm just I'm so ready for it.

Yeah.

I want the cast release like any more.

Now.

I'm just like itching form more. I'm like, all right, we're getting to so Gary, Like, where are these women? What's the drama?

We love you, but but we're done with you right now. We need to bring on the women. Let's let's see what's happening with the women. Yeah, and pretty much it was you know, honestly, it was a tame mental all uh you know, didn't really get a fight or anything in there, but it would have been nice to see, uh see it couple brawls, but it was, it was. It was pretty tame. Everyone seems chill at the end of the day. And besides the whole weird pilot peat.

Thing, what was your favorite part of the episode.

My favorite part of the episode has to be It's got it. It was a hot hotch on going up there and Jesse being like, get the fuck out of here.

That was really good. I think my favorite part of the episode was after they did the big teaser for Charity's finale, which be sure to tune in. They showed Gary talking to all the guys and it was just like a very candid moment of them being like Gary, like you don't need any advice, but like, don't read the comments, like everyone's gonna love you and you're gonna do great, and we're excited. Like it was just cute to see him interacting with the cast. Yeah. I liked that moment.

Yeah, that was nice. All right, Well, that that that wraps it up. Make sure to tune in later this week to hear all our exclusive interview with some of the guys from the mentell All. Trust me, you won't want them and we have charity herself, so make sure you check it out and thank you for listening.

Thanks to you, Sam,

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