A Princess Moment and the Exit No One Saw Coming

Published Feb 20, 2024, 8:01 AM

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena cover last night’s emotional episode of “The Bachelor”! 

With Hometowns around the corner, Joe and Serena chat through the possible roots of Joey’s struggles this week in Montréal, the group date nobody wanted to be on, and Jess’ sudden exit. We also hear their thoughts on Joey's dates with Kelsey T. and Maria, as well as Lexi’s shocking self-elimination. 

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Hey, everyone, welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour. I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here with you to recap this week's episode. This week we only had one episode, which makes our lives a lot easier, and later in the week we are going to have Caitlyn on. Excited to talk to her, mainly because she's a radio chemist and I need to know more about that job in general.

Yeah, totally. I'm down to learn more about the job. I'm down to learn more about her relationship with Joey and her time in the house, her take on all the drama. It'll be a good chat.

Yeah. But before before she comes on, let's get into this episode.

Let's get into it. Let's recap.

Recap. Okay, what'd you think overall? Overall thoughts before we get into it.

Overall thoughts. I feel like the drama has been really loud this season, and it's significantly quieter in this episode. I think the drama is fun as a viewer and for us to recap and chat about, but it's also nice to see the connections. For me, we're getting deeper into the season. Hometowns are kind of right around the corner, so I feel like we're really getting a taste for the relationships in this episode. I also think that everyone is spiraling a little in this episode, including Joey, because things are getting really real.

Well, we kick off with Joey Spiral.

I know, we got a depressing opener from our guy, Joey.

Yeah, he's he's struggling. Okay, So we are in Montreal.

Canada, Canada, Serena Canadian.

But everybody that list to this podcast knows that I've never been to Montreal, though I really want to go.

I love Montreal. I've been like three or four times. It's beautiful. I actually don't think it was showcased as well as it could have been in this episode. I mean, obviously I am biased having been there and being from Canada, but I think Montreal is has a lot more to offer and is a lot more beautiful than what we were able to see in this been there, ah three or four? I think four?

Maybe he'll lot of a flight? Is it from Toronto?

Like an hour flight, but there's also like a four or five hour.

Train ride you can take all from here.

From here, I don't know, maybe like a two hour flight.

We should do it, though, because there's a few restaurants I want to try, And they brought in the restaurant that they went to. The chef. I've watched videos with him before on YouTube, so I believe that was a really good restaurant.

Yeah, they have an amazing, amazing food. Yeah, we'll go in like the spring, summer. It's super cold in the winter.

Yeah, but I kind of yeah, Yeah.

It's just like when you haven't been somewhere for the first time. I feel like you want to go when it's like comfortable walking weather.

Oh like fall, October, fall week ago.

You love fall. Joe wants to.

Go everywhere to travel in fall. Okay, so Joey, Yeah, Joey's struggling, which you know, you don't want to see him struggle, but I almost feel like I personally feel like it was needed because I feel like he's been on the receiving end of hearing you know, basically all these women, you know, their stories, and just hearing them struggle, and he's finally like I I've kind of like I'm at my breaking point and I'm breaking down a little bit.

Yeah. I feel like there are a couple of different layers to what he's going through. And this is obviously total speculation, and like we're kind of putting words in Joey's mouth here because maybe he doesn't feel this way. But we don't have him on the podcast yet, and when we do, eventually we will ask him. But my take on.

We're here to speculate people, We're here to speculate.

That's our job.

I don't know what we're talking about. We're speculating. Well, probably we're probably like ninety percent wrong, but that's okay.

I think we're usually ninety percent right.

So I'm just saying, I'm just I'm just giving us the better I'm just basically throwing it out here, just being humble.

Yeah, you're being humble. But I think there's a few things going on. One, I think the fear and the doubt of you know, it not working out and his feelings not being reciprocated is creeping in.

Well, he's that's been an issue for him. He keeps it. He keeps talking about how that's like the scariest thing, like this not working out totally.

I feel like we've seen that, you know, the whole season. His number one fear is that it doesn't work out or that he falls in love with someone and they don't fall for him back. Yeah, and he's feeling this, like, you know, conflict. He's feeling conflicted about opening.

Up shouldn't be a number one fear though, I.

Think that's what. Do you think his number one fear should be?

Just that you don't look like a dick at the end, Because that's that's the worst that it's that is that is the worst. Yeah.

But it's one thing to like, okay, like look like an asshole. It's another thing to like open up and be vulnerable to someone and get your heart absolutely stomped on.

Yeah, I'm just joking.

I mean everyone's got like I feel like every I would be curious to hear what the most common fear from a lead would be, and I would say it's probably what he's experiencing.

I would say that's the most vocalized.

And I think yours is probably the secret one, Like I'm going to look like a total jerk a person.

I don't want to look like a jerk or a bad person, and I don't want to be hated by everyone that watches the show.

A hundred percent. And I think both of those that and what I said are both like totally real, honest, understandable feelings, Yeah, for sure, and he's probably got both of those. I also think he is seems like he feels that there's this expectation of him to be this like upbeat, funny, fun charismatic dude, which there kind is, which there is a little bit because there's the lead of a TV show.

Yeah, a lot of it. Like he has to be like if he was just like I just want to chill this whole time. I don't want anything to say the lead. Yeah.

Yeah, So like there is a bit of a responsibility on his shoulders to like carry these group tapes a little bit and be the leader on these group dates and make everyone feel excited and comfortable and like sometimes if you're not feeling that way, and like Joey as much as he is all those things, seems like he's maybe a little bit of an introvert, maybe a little bit more of like a laid back energy to have to constantly be like on all the time, because like we said, there's a responsibility as a lead to do so, like that's got to be super draining, especially if that's not how you are naturally all the time, which most people aren't.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean we've all kind of did it to an extent. I mean you neither you and I were the lead of the show, but like you do have to like turn it on a little bit, even if you don't feel like it. Like there's moments in Paradise where we may not have Like I remember even our wrestling date where we were kind of like, Okay, I'm over this.

And it's like you still got to go on the date, and you still want to go on the date. That's the thing, Like you want to make the most of your time with every person. I'm sure he feels that way, where he's like, I want to make the most of my time with each woman and feel like I'm giving them my best in every conversation. But like that is hard to do.

It's straining. Feel bad for us, people feel bad for all.

That's not what we're saying, but I do feel back to jobbing for us. I do feel bad for jobs.

It's so difficult.

And then on top of that, on top of him probably being like I have to be like my most engaging self in every conversation I have, he is getting hit with so many heavy stories from this season. Yea, and that's great that these women are being vulnerable and opening up, like that's absolutely what they should be doing. But I just feel like there's like an unusual amount of women with really intense histories.

Well, and it all happens like I feel like it started from the jump, like as soon as episode one, Yeah, as soon as I was able to get like, as soon as I'm able to get a conversation with the lead, they're hairing basically everything where I feel like in the past, I would say like around this time of the season is when you start seeing people open up.

Totally or like the one on ones. But I remember group date number one, we had Jess and Lauren crying and I was like, whoa, we're getting right into it. So like he's expelling a lot of emotional energy to try to make everyone feel their best, which kudos to him, but I totally would be like feeling drained and emotionally exhausted if I were in his shoes.

But he pushes through because well, A he has to and B he wants to.

I'm sure he wants to, you know, it's his journey to find love. Like you can't stop now.

So they go to a restaurant. The chef looks familiar. I don't remember the name of the restaurant. Jesse recommended it, and he's pretty He's pretty good with his restaurant recommendations.

What did you think of this group date? It was like a scavenger hunt style group date?

Uh really?

Uh yeah?

I remember the poutine at the beginning.

I'm first of all, wasn't the beginning that was near the end? It was middles end. It is not at all shocking to me that the only part of this group date that resonated with you was the restaurant food part.

Well, because I couldn't believe. Like so, I understand pineapple and pizza. I do actually get it. I'm not like a fan of it, but I would eat it. But I understand the flavor combination. What I don't get is she put pineapple, I believe with like her poutine.

She was pineapple, chocolate sauce, and hot sauce. I'll tell you exactly what Jen was doing, because I think I used to do this on the group dates. Is she got bored and she went, I'm just gonna throw a bunch of random stuff in this bowl and make Joey eat it because that'll be really funny for the both of us. And there's not much going on right now.

Okay, so wait, what did they do on the what they do prior on the group dates?

It was mostly just a lot of like running around getting different cards, leading them to different places. I think the poutine thing was the main activity. They also played like hockey.

Hockey, but I think.

The activities of the date took a back seat to a lot of the interviews showing the girls having a really hard time.

Yeah, because I remember, like like Kelsey, we see Kelsey really having a hard time.

Who else, Caitlin Lexi? Yeah, Yeah, Honestly, this wasn't my favorite date, and it definitely wasn't the woman's favorite date. I think it's hard. This style of date is hard because it's constant moving, constant activities, and not a lot of opportunity to like connect with Joey, and I don't think it gives a lot of opportunity for him to connect with the women either. That's the point the season where group days just like really suck.

Yeah, because here's like if you're on a I feel like I feel like if you're on a group date, well, I mean that's not actually I disregard was it. I was gonna say, if you're on a group date, it kind of means that like he's not as into you. But that's not true, No.

Because you someone has to be on a group date, you know, and like for example, like Kelsey A just had a one on one, she's not getting another one this week.

Yeah, he's probably just also yeah, I mean we see it, but he's probably just exhausted.

The running around Montreal, Like he's probably can I just have a beach date where we lay and tan and listen to music and have a drink and kick back.

Well let's go to the night yeah date.

So Jen was kind of the standout on the group date. I thought she did a really good job of just like making the most of it, trying to bring like fun, flirty energy to it. Some of the moments.

She's super cool, very she's very chill.

Yeah, And I feel like anytime I see her and Joey interact, he's smiling and laughing and just seems very relaxed yea, which is amazing. But the kind of nighttime portion we see, like Lexi, Kelsey, and Jess all open up to him about their struggles. LEXI. Particular convo was she wanted to know about his timeline with kids and marriage, which I was actually wondering this after the or one on one date of like if that question was asked. Yeah, and I think she probably chose like let him process all the information before bringing it back up. But it seems like she is like, I'm on a tighter timeline and he is on a very loose timeline.

Well, we see it later in the episode, so we'll just talk about it then.

Yeah, and then Kelsey gets emotional.

Yeah, but he said she said she feels like she's in the background. He said to her, You're never in the background. I know.

That was really cute.

Yeah. I think he really really likes her. And I feel like every like, out of all the girls that pulled him to the to the side to talk about like their insecurities and how they were feeling and struggling, Kelsey's the one that received the most reassuring reassurance from him.

Yeah, I agree, I agree, And she seems like a more laid back, chill personality. So I can imagine those group dates are hard because she's probably like I want to stand out, but I also want to be authentic to myself and not like act in a way that isn't me.

Yeah, it's hard, the fake it's hard, the fake energy. Yeah. Jen said she was falling for him.

Mm hmm, which was cute.

Just said she was falling for him and this one's self. Oh yeah, which honestly, like good for her, Like she she stepped out, she said how she felt. I guess it's that it's that time.

No, she did the right thing, like she was feeling it. If you're feeling it, say it, you know what I mean, Like, it's always going to be a risk no matter what. And I know she was like, I feel so dumb, but like, and I think that's a normal reaction. But I don't think she should feel dumb. She was brave. She told him how she was feeling and honestly, if he's not feeling the same way, like better to send her home than waste her time or light her face.

Yeah, yeah, I think it was It was the right move for her to do it. He the feelings were not reciprocated, but you know, that's okay. It happened. Sometimes she got pretty far in the season, but she ends up she goes home. He sends her home. Yeah, and you could see he's like, I was the right thing to do, but that was so difficult, and that has I mean, it just it just has to be hard because you're really just like you're breaking I mean breaking someone's heart strong but like kind of.

Kind of yeah. I mean she's opening up and being honest with him, and he's like, being honest with me. To be respectful is to be honest with you back. But it's gonna hurt. I feel like that's the first time we've seen him send someone home outside of a row ceremony.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's getting to that point.

Getting to that point. Even at the end of this episode, I was like, Wow, where did everyone go? But we say that every season, I.

Know, but it always happens so fast. Yeah, a lot of people went home this episode.

Yeah, I know. All right. So Jen gets a rose. I think you said that earlier. But Jen gets the group date rose and then we're onto the one on one with Kelsey t.

This date looked so fun. I was so jealous. But before we get into it, Joe asked me, how do you like pronounce slash spell it? And I was like, it's three words. I believe like cir Sole he wrote circus Ola c I r us space Ola.

And the worst part about all that is is I believe I've been to one of these shows. Like I definitely have been to one of these shows.

But I was like, what a fun cool date date, Like it's an activity, it's you're moving around, like I don't know, it just seems so cool, like tat this.

Is probably like one of the like one of the cooler dates they've ever had on the show.

Totally. I loved it, and it's just kind of like they don't have to think, they don't have to do anything. They've got someone instructing them around. But yeah, it was cool. But Joey did get like really dizzy.

Oh I would I would have. I would have never been able to do that like I would have. I would instantly. I would have threw up.

Oh you would have been out the minute they spun you half a circle in that wheel. You would have been like, all right, thank you so much, I'm done now.

If I stepped into a car and I'm looking down at my phone for thirty seconds and I look up, I have car sickness the entire.

Yeah, you are like I have to sent in the front seat, phone away, looking at the horizon the whole time.

I'm like a Golden Retriever. I have to keep my head out the window when we're when we're driving down the.

Street, out the window. But I never understand why. Like if I'm Joey, I'm just gonna be like, yeah, no, like this isn't working for me, Like can we just go like hang out in the phone pit, I'd be like, yeah, totally. If I'm Kelsey, like I mean they're so like he's like they're so good about like being like this is the date, like I'm going to participate, Like I would be like, I'm I'm out, Like I'm out on this activity, Like can we go back to the trampoline?

Like yeah, that But that's I mean, that's that that is why you were probably not the lead, you know. I'm just saying like that's why I you know, like that's that's one of the reasons.

That like I'll still participate in the date. Like I'm happy to be here, I'm happy to do the activity.

We don't care. We don't care we're filming a show.

I'm not spinning in this wheel and seven million.

This conversation is why they would choose you because we don't have time for this conversation. We have to film.

Yeah, but my thing would be like, Okay, look there's ropes.

Over there going to you got a pay extra for these circus away people.

And I'd be like, hey, there's seven options on the table and I'll do six of us or I'm going to be vomiting in the phone bill there because you made me spin on this wheel seventeen.

That's what they want. They need a little vomit.

Well, they didn't get any, but Kelsey T and Joey do seem like they get along actually quite well, and there's definitely like a good connection there.

Yeah, I think they I think I liked her.

A lot and I like them together.

Yeah. And then we go to the night portion and she opens up her her story about her and her father. I was like, that's rough.

I'm glad Joey asked her to expand. I mean, I'm sure it was hard for her to talk about. But when she said, like, we were so close, this was our relationship and then we stopped talking, I was like, WHOA, how did we get from A to B?

Yeah? I insane?

Yeah, but that dynamic is very complicated ye and super heavy.

Yeah, very heavy.

I can imagine it was very hard for her to revisit, Like I'm assuming that's not just that she's like talking about on a day to day so like having to sit there and kind of explain the whole history of it must have been really heavy for her to do.

Yeah, but yeah, I like I like her, I think he likes her. And she she gets a rose at the end of it, right, she does.

Get a rose. It also makes sense because she's talked so much this season about like how she's guarded and she has her walls up and it's super super hard for her to be vulnerable and trust. And I was like, okay, we like why, well there you go now, oh yeah, it makes sense.

Surefects sense. And I felt and she was like, you know, like she kept saying, like I just didn't like my father, Like if I wasn't into I don't know what religion it is, but if I wasn't with practicing this religion or with it with the religion, with the religion, I was out. And she said I just couldn't understand that, which like, yeah, that's as as what I don't know exactly how old she was, but like, that's hard to understand.

A teenager because I think she said their relationship became strained when she decided to go to college and he wasn't supportive of that.

Yeah, that's hard. That's hard. So I feel for cool. But yeah, I think he likes her. I think she I mean, she's still here, She's not going anywhere right now.

I do feel like their connection compared to others. I think they have a great connection, but I think it is skewing more friendship than it is romantic.

I was just going to ask you think she's going to be part of hometown.

I don't know, but just from my perspective, I think he has a more romantic, flirty connection with some of the other women from what I've seen. And I mean maybe he has a deeper connection with Kelsey, but I don't really see that romance there quite yet.

I kind of like, like I put like, I guess I I'm comparing Kelsey's relationship with him in Jen's relationship. Yeah, and like Jen's to me like there's like a friendship there as well, but I see more also, like I see more flirting, totally fun.

Totally, and he just seems like really relaxed with Jen and maybe it's just gonna take a little time with Kelsey t Yeah. And also we saw like, you know, more heavy conversations of him not feeling well and then her opening up. But my yeah, my prediction would be that I don't know. I don't know where that relationship goes, only because I do think at this point there are other stronger relationships.

Yeah, I love An, I don't own prediction. I don't know.

My prediction is I don't know.

Okay, so now we have so it's Maria's date. Uh, there is a some kind of stretch limousine like.

This limit was set.

Yeah, it's like an old like what kind of looks like an older Rose Royce.

As someone who looked at quite a few limousines for your home Alan two experience, I did not see that.

If you, if you would have pulled, if that one would have pulled out, would be like, wow, we're not We're not getting out of this.

I have a good feeling that limo was out of my price range for your home alone two experience.

We're not getting out of this. So yeah, she gets the what is it the Princess Diaries.

The Prince's Diaries. It's the Princess date. You see this day every single season. It's like the helicopter date. You know, it's a classic in the franchise, and it's always kind of I feel like someone notable always up on this date. Yeah, and she's definitely been a notable person this season, and I think her and Joey are really hitting it off.

Yeah, and they you could just not only are they hitting it off, they're just like very comfortable with each other. They really like and I think I think this date was perfect for what he needed, Like with his mentality going into the day.

One hundred percent, they should have kicked it off with this date, in my opinion, Like he was having such a hard day and then had to go into a group date, which is also non an easy task. Like if they had gone into this date with Maria, I feel like it would have really helped his mood. They are just they have so much fun together. I love their banter. I love how fun and playful she is, and they just don't seem to take it too seriously when they're together, but also are like focused on each other in their relationship.

If It's very cute because it's feel like I feel like the woman that gets this date, if she doesn't end up with the lead, she's usually one of the women that are considered the next bachelorette. Yeah, do you see that?

I think it depends like how far she goes I mean to me left at this point.

I think at the end there's six. I feel like Maria is a shoeing for hometowns, like she's going she got when you she got through the two on one and then gets a one on one. I don't I don't see her not going to hometowns.

I'm trying to think of like who's I'm trying to think of like who's left, and like go through like who's left? Okay, So but yeah, I do think there's a good chance she goes to hometowns. And I do think this date was really amazing. She was actually surprisingly emotional on this date. I think she really likes him.

Yeah, I do too. Anyways, I do too. I think she really likes him. Also, well, let's talk about who's left, But before we do, Lexi goes back and talks to Joey and sends herself home. Yes, yeah, I mean I guess timeline, it just wasn't going to work out. It's unfortunate because I think she would have been I think she would have been there for a while.

Yeah, I know, I really like her and I like them together a lot. I think he really was into her. But I also think like she doesn't have the luxury of like getting caught up in it, Like she has to be practical to kind of fit a timeline that she wants to achieve. And if she is thinking, you know, I don't think she ever specified exactly what her ideal timeline would be. But seems like it's like, okay, like let's you know, the ball's rolling. You know, they get engaged, to get married, they have kids in a pretty like speedy timeline. And he's saying three to four year engagement, two to three two to three year engagement, two to three years of marriage. That could be six years from now before they start.

That's what he's saying right now. I mean he could have if he really liked LEXI I believe he would have said like, hey, like that is my timeline. But but nothing set in stone, and you know, I'm I'm open to speeding up the process. I think if he was really into her. I think that's I think if he was really into her, I don't think he would have let her go.

Yeah. I think that his answer was very telling. Yeah, I think that you know she's hearing Okay, four to six years is what your ideal timeline is, and knowing her situation, I think if she was like the one, there's a good like he would have potentially have said, like, I know that you were on a different timeline than most, and you know, if it's you and me at the end of this, I'm happy to work within that timeline, or like, this is my ideal timeline, but I'm super flexible to having an opened conversation about maybe making changes to that. But it doesn't seem like that's how the conversation was going.

I like her for Bachelorette, I like her for Bauchshrette too, And then like the tagline could be like, oh no, don't waste my time.

Oh yeah, okay, I don't know. I just I don't know where you're going with this. Whatever you whip up a tagline.

Don't waste my time, Yeah, don't waste my time, And then honestly, they have to cast, they have to cast guys that are genuinely ready, genuinely ready. Yeah, I think that's I think. And she's pretty. She was articulate, she was smart, she was on our podcast a.

Great interview with her. Really enjoyed her. I think she would be great for about Shrek.

Okay, so we have left, So Lea goes home at the Rose ceremony, Caitlin goes home. Yep, and is there another person? Was anybody else elimited at the Rose ceremony? Or was it just those two?

I think that was it.

It was just those two.

Let me check. But because we saw Lexi and we saw Jese, that was just.

Those two, because Lexi Lexi and just he sends Jess home, Lexi sends herself home. So now we have Daisy, which we you.

Know, Daisies do for a second one on one day, a second one. I was just gonna say, like, I've not seen that much of their relationship.

We haven't seen that much of her. No, we only saw like everyone fell in love with Daisy at the beginning. But yeah, but we really haven't seen much of her since with Joey.

Like, every time I see her, I like it, it's always something cute and funny.

Yeah.

Yeah, Like I love all the clips of her time with Joey or her time like on the group days with the girls, but it's like I feel like I've really lost sight of what her relationship with Joey looks like, Whereas like Maria, like I am totally in the loop.

You know, yeah, he's he's still like he still was having fun with them. I think. So right now I'm gonna go Maria Daisy are are are both hometowners.

And then the other girls we've got up there are Kelsey T, Jen h, Kelsey A, and Rachel.

The only one I I feel strongly about going to Hometowns would be Kelsey A. Yeah, because he seems to really like her. They show a lot of their like little extra.

One on one Yeah, well they're one on one date was just like beyond.

So then it would then it would be like a battle between.

Jen, Rachel and Kelsey T.

Yeah, we haven't seen much of him. I think he really likes Rachel. But that's another one we haven't seen.

We haven't seen that much of their time together. No, like there one on one this past episode, we really did not see much of their time To get out of those we saw a little clip she made like a joke about because Jen did that little piano thing where she like pulled them in front of everyone, which is just I think she was trying to do something cute but like so awkward for the group. If I was them, if I was there, I'd be like, all right, like going to the bar to get a drink, like I'll be back when this situation's over. But you could tell Rachel was not into it. She made like a little joke about it to Joey later. I think she really likes him. I think he likes her too, but I just don't. Again, it's similar to how I feel about Daisy's relationship. I don't really feel like I have like major insight into their connection like I do with Maria or.

Or.

I actually feel like I kind of see kelsey A and him more now than I do.

Like Rachel or Well, I feel like out of those I feel like, out of those three, I think Jen probably has a little bit of the advantage from what we see.

But honestly, it's kind of a draw, like it could be the hometown four, could be any of these six at this point, Yeah, it really could. Like I feel like.

There's a pretty definitely Maria.

You say that, but like who knows, there's.

No there's no way he sent them Maria home before Hometowns. No way.

Why do you say that? I don't disagree with you. I'm just curious of where you're coming from.

Well, really, why I say it? I think he wants to go to overnights with her, and I think you had I think, like, I think a big I think a huge part for the lead is like who I feel the most comfortable with and who I have the most fun with like that, like that, I mean, it's just that just has to be like like.

Well, yeah, you're talking to thirty girls, Like it's gonna be obvious which ones you're the most comfortable when, and those people are going to be like a breath of fresh air in the mix.

Because as much as you need the like serious in real life conversations, you still you still like it's the beginning of a relationship, so like the fun and excitement needs.

To be there.

And so yeah, that's why I really do think I think that I think she's definitely going, and I think Days is definitely going.

We have one more episode until what is it Hometowns and then we're in the mix. It's gonna fly by hometowns, fantasy Sweedes. We got to tell all in there somewhere we'll be good. I'm excited for that.

Everyone. Make sure you check out later in the week we are going to have Caitlin on. Excited about that interview, and like always, thank you for listening and thank you for subscribing. And if you want us to talk about anything else on this podcast, well I don't know if we will, but shoot us at the m maybe we will.

Thanks for listening. Bye,

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