A Log Roll Away from Hometowns

Published Feb 27, 2024, 8:01 AM

Joe and Serena are covering all the romantic highs and spiraling lows of last night’s “Bachelor” episode in Jasper. With Hometowns on the horizon, tensions are at an all-time high, and Joe and Serena have lots to unpack. They get into the intense lumberjack group date and all the anxious emotions around it, including Maria’s breaking point — was this an attempt to seal the deal with Joey?

Then, they chat about Kelsey A.’s one-on-one, aka Joe’s ideal “Bachelor” date, and Daisy’s raw, romantic horseback one-on-one. Plus, they dive into Daisy’s honesty about not being in love with Joey; will she get to that point if she’s not there yet?

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Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour. I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here with another recap. We're getting down to the wire. It moves pretty quick.

I know it always does. It's always shocking once we get to hometowns. But I feel like this is the last kind of like fun episode. Not that the next part isn't fun, but things tend to take a more serious turn going into hometown Yeah, because.

Now these are the women that he actually has feelings for.

Yeah, he has serious connections with all the women now versus like you know, three weeks ago. There's definitely still a range of his connections.

The good thing is we have Joey coming on the podcast this week, So make sure you said that episode because we were going to ask him all the questions and how he's feeling before going into the towel all and hometowns and everything.

Last time we interviewed him was at Charity's Far he got announced as the bachelor.

He's a changed man.

He's got even started filming. When we interviewed him, No, he.

I mean he he was pretty.

He seemed pretty self aware and going into the sea, and so I'm curious to see how he seemed very relaxed. Yeah, so I'm curious to see how he feels now.

I'm probably less relaxed. I wish i'd actually gone back and listened to our interview with him, our last interview with him, to compare to where we are now. I know that's okay, but this episode Jasper Alberta.

Have you ever been there?

I haven't. I actually looked it up. It's like a five and a half hour drive from Bamp, Alberta, which I really want to go to.

We would have to fly there from Toronto.

Correct, definitely. I mean you could drive, but we wouldn't drive. It would be far. But it's so beautiful. I mean, it's giving like quintessential Canada. It's like all the trees and the water, the cabins, it's just like very beautiful and they're super submerged in nature.

We should go, We should.

I really want to go to Bamp. Honestly, it's like it's on my list.

I'm surprised you you've never been. We've been to the one in Whistler.

We've been to the one. No, we were, we stayed at the Four Seasons in Whistler. But it's not uncommon for like Canadian kids after they like graduate university to go like work at one of them because they're like popular year round. You can work as a server. There's like a bunch of different jobs. Like I know people who like graduated from school and like went and like worked at one of them for like, I don't know, two years.

I was going to say that before we get into it. The four seasons in Whistler, it was like one of my favorite hotels.

It's beautiful, really, it's so sunny. There's so much of Canadacy. Guys venture out there. Check it out.

Okay, so Date Card.

Not shocked at all. This I think is the first time ever. I mean, I'm sure it's happened before. I just can't remember the last time it happened where all six girls left have already had a one on one date the week before going into hometown, so no matter who gets the one on one, it's their second one on one. Like my season there this week there was two girls who hadn't got one on ones yet, because you usually expected to go to the two people that haven't had one on ones, and I find usually like one gets it. One dozen kind of thing.

Yeah, and I feel like, if if you haven't had a one on one at this point and then you don't get it, you're definitely going home.

Oh yeah, it's game over for you.

Yeah.

You see Jen's upset. She seems a little shocked that Daisy got in cheap did it in?

Yeah?

I think Daisy was the most obvious choice because she was the very first one on one of the season, so she has gone the longest without a one on one.

I agree, but but but Jen was not obvious to them. You know. It seems like Jen like mix out with him a lot, Yeah, and has like some like nice moments with him.

I don't know.

I think that Jen's attitude in this episode. At first, going into this week, I was like, I literally don't know who his top four are going to be, because I feel like he has really good anections with every single one of these women. We've seen the relationships progress like it could be any Jen was definitely in a bit of a spiral this episode, which made me think that maybe she wasn't getting like the reassurance and Joey might have been like pulling back a little bit because then, like, compared to like a Rachel Rachel's so confident, yeah, and comfortable, and she didn't seem very nervous.

Well, and we see Jen's like last effort to like make out with him on.

The group date. We'll go to that later.

Yeah, this episode, what do you think about the jacuzzie kind of stand there, Daisy and Joey and the dacouzie.

They seem to like each other. Yeah.

Yeah, they did the horseback riding date, which was super cute. I feel like Daisy has had some really good dates. She had, like the country concept.

You just like crazy because I skipped a horse fan.

Well, you just you'll do crazy, like I'm like, they drove. I have things to say about the beginning.

Okay, what do you think about the horseback riding? That's fine, No, no, no, please.

I don't have much to say about it. I just wanted to acknowledge that happened. I thought it was cute, and I feel like it was a really like scenic, romantic date. And I feel like Daisy has had two really good data she did, like the helicopter to the country concept.

Yeah, yeah, I like this. I like the horseback riding.

I had the horseback riding date and I was obsessed with it. I was like, this day is sick, Like it's so pretty. You guys are just talking. It's chill. Yeah, great day activity.

Can we go now, Jacuzzi, we can go to jaw Any any thoughts in the Jacuzie seemed they really they seem to really be into each other. Like I'm watching this thinking like Joey's not Joey's going to.

Give her a rose after this date one.

Hundred one hundred percent. I mean, they have a really I said this at the beginning, and I still feel this way, Like I genuinely think they have great chemistry and a really good connection. She seems like super happy and smiley. He seems super comfortable around her, Like I was never really doubting if she was going to go to hometowns or not.

Yeah, okay, cut to Kelsey gets a one on one. Date's not over, but that's what happened in the episode. In the episode they cut two in the house, Kelsey gets a one on one, and then we go back.

That's not what happened. Cut to the group date card.

Oh okay, okay, if you're gonna.

Go out of order, please do it right, do it right.

Okay, Okay, so what happened?

They cut to the group day card. We learned kelsey A gets the one on one yes, Jen, and the rest of girls do not. Jen has like a little moment. She's definitely struggling. She thought it was gonna be her. I actually thought it was going to be her too.

Oh I didn't.

I just really thought it was it was between Jen and Kelsey because Rachel just had one, so it was between the two of them. The minute kelsey A got it and Jen didn't, I was like, okay, like I really think Jen's going home this week, but understand why she's having a hard time. I would be struggling if I was in her shoes too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're you're you're so close, but still.

You're just like yeah, you're like, you know, one day could at this point, like one day could push my connection past someone else's or like make him see more of who I am, and like it really could do a lot. Ye, Like she's in that position where like one one on one could do a lot.

Also, like a few weeks ago, there were so many more women there, and Jen's connection was one of the strongest.

It was clearly one of the strongest.

One of the strongest, and now she's probably looking like I no longer feel that way totally.

And she had the second week one on one I think, which is feeling like a long time ago now. So it's like, yeah, tough spot. Out of everyone there, she's probably in the toughest position.

Okay, So we go to the night portion of Daisy's date, and this is when things get a little interesting because they have a non surface level conversation with Daisy opens up and says, I'm I don't think I'm there yet.

Yeah, no, she does interesting, you know.

Yeah, She basically says, I like you will, and I like where this is going, but I'm not falling in love, Like I haven't fallen in love with you. I'm not falling in love with you.

I respect it because right now, like most women won't even say that because they do like they want to go like you have you want to make the hometowns. And if you say that, there's a good chance.

That he cuts you.

I guess, yeah, But I mean, like she's like, I'm not going to just tell him I'm falling for him to get a rose. If that's not how I feel like, I'll lead him into this hometown date, like with false words. Yeah, but it was an interesting conversation because I feel like she gotten away with being like, yeah, I really like you, like this is where I'm at. I feel great about where we are. My feelings are strong for you, Like it could have been spun in like a very positive way. And I feel like the way they went into it, like Joey must have been really looking for where she was at, because it was very direct of like not like I'm here and I could get here. It was like I'm not here and I might get there, but I don't know kind of thing, you know what I mean, Like it was a blunt conversation of like, yeah, I don't love you yet, like if that's what you're looking for, Like I don't feel that way.

Daisy is the type of person that is going to have a very tough time in this environment really falling in love.

Yeah I knew.

I knew that because you said it.

Why I don't know, I think, I mean, this is just really speculating, But she is someone that's been through a lot in life, and I would imagine like not having to live life together in like a normal environment and like see the everyday actions of this person might like I feel like those would be crucial things for me to get there with someone if I'd been through what she had been through. I also just think like there's some people that have a hard time in this environment, like fully letting their guards stand, whether they're aware of it or not, like let themselves fall in love, like when this person's dating a bunch of other people, Like I think some people can fully block that out, And I think some people probably have a hard time of fully blocking that out, and like it can become like an unconscious barrier. And I also think that, you know, maybe Joe's just not her person and she hasn't figured that out yet, or maybe he is her person and she just needs these next few steps to get there, Like she might just be someone that's like I need the hometown date, I need the overnight date, two things I feel like could be crucial for her to be like Okay, yeah, no, Like, I mean, she's been through a lot in her family. Seems like a really really big piece of her life and very important to her, especially like with how excited she seems about hometown.

Correct me if I'm wrong, though, someone at this point in the show is not there yet. Like, I just I don't know if and I could be wrong.

I'm trying to like think of past contestant.

But I just I just like is will like home to could hometowns change how you feel?

I don't.

I don't think it could. That That's that's because I I feel like I would relate more to Daisy because I don't know like the actual show, Like I mean, I fell in love in Paradise, but I don't know if I would have been able to because it would bother me, like being down to like the final five to six and like it would be really hard for me not to be like, well, she's dating multiple guys, Like, yeah.

Am I really going to let myself like fall in love with this girl and like pitt your future with her?

Yeah?

Yeah, I know, Like I think that's that's a real thing that probably happens more than we realize. I think it's there's also like I don't know, I don't know if you see it as far deep into the season as we are now. Yeah, but I mean I really don't know, Like there's definitely something that would be good to ask for about like why she felt like she was maybe a little behind where it seems like the other girls are. And like what drove her to be so kind of forceful with Joey, Like it really felt like she was trying to be very clear with the message of like, hey, I like you a lot. I wouldn't be here if I didn't think things were gonna go somewhere, but like, I'm not there, like, and you should know that I'm not there.

For Joey, that's also probably a little refreshing to hear.

Maybe he seems like someone who's like, yeah, man, I really need some validation right now.

And well he keeps saying that that's like his biggest thing. It's like it's so it seems so scary to be either at the end with somebody that's not willing to go all the way, Like that's.

Like, really, that would literally be horrible. He's like, I just broke all these girls hearts to get to the end for the girl that I love to be Like, actually just kidding, I don't love you. Yeah, that would be heartbreaking, and I really hope that does not happen to him.

Well, Daisy gets the rose, so obviously he thinks she could get there.

Yeah, and I think their relationship, even though her feelings might not be there, their connection and the relationship has progressed like very far.

So Daisy gets the first date and now we go chate whether lumberjacks or lumber jills, and it's a competition, and it seems like all all the women are struggling at this point. Laura seems to be struggling the most.

She's not having a good time. I mean, she got the princess date, which is like, let me take you shopping for designer dresses and like take you to like a beautiful romantic dinner to like put on this plaid shirt and chop some wood.

Yeah, and then you're just like competing with like four other women. Yeah, this really you're not really good at and no one's going to be really good at unless, like you are, you have experience with lumber.

Chopping wood and lomb Maria reminds me a lot of breeze springs on this date because Brie is like not an outdoorsy girl, and the group date before Hometown's, she was on it and they made them go play like hide and seek in the woods, and I just remember the weather was brutal that day, they're all like running around outside. It's muddy. I'm like, I feel like the last group day of the season just always sucks. Even if it's a good activity, it's gonna suck. No one wants to be on it, like you're fighting for a time, You're over it. You just want to get a one on one.

I would be like, I'm I don't want to chop one. Yeah, you to sit and chop in my life.

I actually have chopped wood.

I go to the store, I go to like Minarates, and I buy wood if I need wood, So then we do see though, that's when Jen like runs over and makes out with Joey and it's like in front of a rear.

I feel like, though, that wasn't meant to be like an obnoxious thing, because it looks like she ran over to where he was doing an interview, and I could see her thinking like this will be a private moment, like I'm sneaking away.

It took one last shot at it.

Yeah, do you feel like the leads like at this point obligated to make out?

Think about it this way. I thought about this before you are the lead. Okay, there's ten girls. You're not into all ten of them equally. Okay, you know two of them are going home that week probably are you have a good feeling it's not going to work out with two of them?

Yeah?

Would you rather sit there and have them like talk about their feelings and you have to like talk about your feelings or would you rather just like make out with that, because I feel like I would be like, let's just make out, you know, because I don't want to sit here and like have you tell me how much you love me or like how much you care about me? And like when I like deep down like no, this isn't going to work out. But I guess then you just like you send them all if you do what Joey did with Jazz.

Yeah, and I do, you're like, don't kiss me, Okay, But like if at this point, I feel like he's probably got like there's five or with their six women, like, yeah, I would say he's probably narrowed in on two and he's probably starting their feelings for those two. So then when like someone that runs over that, you're like you kind of know in the back of your mind you're sending them home. I'm going to be like I don't really feel like making out.

With you, you would have said that.

I don't.

I don't know.

I don't know what I did. I just I feel like I don't know.

It's a good question. I actually don't know how it would be in that situation because I mean, he obviously I don't know. Like I'm not gonna sit here and say, like joe didn't want to make up with Jen. I'm sure he did, you know what I mean, Like he's coming, she's coming over, she's being cute, like she's trying to sneak away a little time. Like he probably hasn't made up his mind. It's just a little kiss. Sure, But I mean, yeah, if I was in his shoes and it was someone like I didn't really or I knew was sending home, I probably like give him a little packing bit, got to talk to you later. I don't know's it's It's got to be an uncomfortable position to be in at times.

Okay, so this is the Maria Show. She talks to Joey. I I liked this conversation because I felt like this was kind of like a real moment for Joey because we kind of see him like give an honest like I'm figure it out, like he basically tells Ria like figure it out, like yeah.

And he doesn't like her at all, which I liked because, Yeah, it felt like an insight into a real relationship promp rotation, yeah, versus like kind of more what you get in the beginning where he takes a more like comforting approach to each of them.

It's true at the beginning, it's more an understanding of like I was in your shoes.

I get that it's different.

Yeah, I'm still getting to know you, you're getting to know me. But now I feel like he's like really in a relationship and it's just a more honest conversation.

Yeah, And you could tell she starts spiraling and then she walks away, and then I think she like comes to and she's like, no, I actually do still really want to be here.

Do you think any part of her, like even if it was like two percent, was not bluffing but kind of like curious to see what his reaction was going to be when she kind of threatened to go home.

I think I think there was a part of her that and I think we all could relate to this, but I think there was a part of her like it's either me or no one else, like figure You're like in her head, it is like I'm done.

Second, yeah, like I'm not one of six anymore.

Like yeah, I think she I think she went I think I don't think.

She was being like you need to put off this show.

I think she just like kind of like went back to how she would be in the in the actual real world, and I was like, Okay, I'm done with this bullshit. And then she had to like go back and think, no, wait, this is the way the show was.

Yet one hundred percent, I think you're totally right where she was like, I'm dating this guy. We're not exclusive, he wants to come meet my family. And I gave like a blunt answer of like I don't know what you want me to do here. I'm not going to beg you to say. This is the situation we're in. And then she took a minute and then was kind of like damn, like I am on the Bachelor, Like he can't do anything about this. I can't do anything about it. I'm gonna stay.

I try to put myself in these situations, and I feel like that's probably like.

I'd be like I could totally see you doing Oh I.

Would, I'd be like, get rid of these other guys or I'm leaving. Then I would walk away, like I can't leave. Wait what am I talking about? So yeah, I definitely yeah, I get it.

Yeah, And especially because she just came off a one on one date, which is like as normal as you can get in this experience after so many group dates, and she's just like, I really feel like you're my boyfriend now, and now I gotta go back to these stupid group dates and I'm over this. But she'll she'll have an easier time now moving forward because it's it's only one on ones. I think we'll kind of solve that.

Okay, now, now let's go to.

Well he doesn't give out the group date row.

Oh yeah, Joey doesn't give out the group date rolls, which.

I was not surprised about. Actually yeah, I did not think he was going to give it out.

I seem like all the girls were surprised, which I think was a good move. Leaves a little suspense at the end of the show. I mean, if he gave it out, there'll only be one one.

Yeah, And I feel like at this point, Daisy and Kelsey, it looks like are his strongest two connections. So leaving the four of them, I was like, it could be any of these four, Like two out of the four, I could any of them going to hometowns next week. So yeah, left like it's for the cocktail party in the row ceremony.

Okay, so now let's go to the biggest bullshit I've ever seen on this show, which.

You got a problem with. This is crazy.

I'll let them just go hang out at a bar like I would love to have done that. We had to wrestle, We had to put on costumes and wrestle in a ring.

These two are.

Hey, just locked around. They got some hot cocoa. They went to a bar. They're literally playing pool with randoms and drinking beer. I was like, this is not about like, this is just like it was like they were like you and Kelsey can just like do whatever you want today, and he was like sick. I was like, this is the best day ever. They look like so cute together, unbelievably cute. But I will say the Polar Bear plunge part was definitely that was so fun too.

This was the best date ever.

Literally, this is like our dream, Like this is like how we spend our days on a usual Saturday. Yeah, this is our Saturday. You're literally watching what Joe and I do on a Saturday. It's very obvious that Kelsey does cold plunges I feel like, and Joey does not because she's like, yeah, like this is what it looks like when Joe and I do a cold plunge, Like Joe is Kelsey and I am Joe Like.

You should if you would saw me yesterday. The one I went in was thirty three degrees. It was really cold, like I only stayed in for two minutes, which.

Is not Yeah, thirty three degrees is insanity. I'm not even dipping a toe in that water. But like them running in, like the adrenaline hides so fun you can see Joey's instantly ready to run out. Kelsey's like I'm doing my breathing. She's like holding his hands like you do with me when I'm trying to like goes like this is so funny.

And then they what do they do?

They just had dinner talks about her mom, which naturally then I start crying. Like when that girl cries, I cry. I don't know what it is, but talks about her dad, how much he means to her, how he stepped up with all of the kids when her mom passed, and just kind of talks about how excited she is for Joy to meet him and her family, And honestly, they have the strongest connection in my opinion at this point, Like after this date, if it's not her and him at the end, I'll be really surprised. Like, I just really think they have an amazing connection.

Yeah, and it makes sense she got the last date, the last one on one before hometowns, Like it all.

Checks out totally, and they just had a normal Saturday date, Like they didn't even have to do anything. They just let them hang out of the bar. I just feel like they have really amazing conversation. They seem like they have a lot of fun together, and I feel like the like sexual romantic chemistry is also there.

I couldn't agree more.

And she's beautiful.

She gets a hometown rose. So now we cut to Jesse Palmer walks in cancels the cocktail party. Yeah, everyone's upset, but kind of figure that was going to happen.

I figured they were going to cancel the cocktail party. But when he pulled Maria if I was there, like Rachel was like I thought we weren't getting time with him tonight. What the fuck? I would have been so mad. It's not even funny. I would have to I know, I know you did tell me that, but like does it matter, Like in my head when I was on the show, like everything, I deserved everything anymore. I would have been so pissed off. They don't really need that time. Okay, there's four of us here, and you could have spent thirty minutes extra giving each of us time to chat. It's like his decision has been made, like his mind's made up. We all want to go to bed. Nothing you can say or do is gonna change his mind. Then it's like okay, like I get it, whatever, but like his mind's not made up and he just wants to talk to Maria. I would be like, so if she's getting the chance to change her mind in this moment, you can't give me like five ten minutes. And also like if I'm Rachel, I'm like, I'm not going into hometowns like I would have love to chat with you, Like this is a two way street, Like I know you have full control over when we have time together. How much time we have together, but like, at least humor me and like make me feel like I got a little power in this situation.

I didn't realize you felt so passionately about this.

Honestly, I'm triggered this happened to me on my season.

I will I will say, I think his.

Mine was made and why are you talking to Maria?

Because his mind was made up on Maria And I just think there was a chance that Maria can't fully commit in this in this environment, and he needed to make sure before taking her. But I think as May was set up on Rachel.

And no, I think I was. I think Rachel was one going home.

I don't think there was a need to talk to the other Kelsey Jen. Yeah, and he needed to talk to Maria, and I guess.

If she was like I don't know if I could do this, she might have gone home and then Kelsey and general, I.

Think he would have still sent Kelsey in Gen home, And I think he would have in the whole times with three. That's why he needed that that extra time, and he just didn't need it with everyone else because his mind was already made up. Yeah, No, you're right, I get it from like the woman's standpoint, because they're kind of like, well, maybe I could change his mind, like because you you don't know, but like I feel like his mind was already.

Yeah, that's what The final rose goes to Maria.

So Maria, Rachel, Kelsey A, and Daisy are Joey's final four women.

And we'll see, we'll see what happens.

We'll see what happens.

Okay, everyone, thank you make sure to tune in later this week because we will be having Joey the Bachelor, And thank you again for listening.

And don't forget to subscribe. Bye,

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