Look at the people in the background of any rich person's dinner party - real or fictional - and you'll see them: The butlers.
How did they get there? How did they learn? And what do they get out of it - beyond the money, of course?
To answer those questions the founder and CEO of The International Butler Academy joins us alongside his executive head butler.
And hear from a palace manager in the Middle East, talking about why she has been drawn to this kind of work for over 35 years.
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