Veteran journalists Joanne Levine and Deb Amos talk with Ed Forbes about their reporting in New Jersey and Ukraine. They take listeners behind the scenes of what it is like in Ukraine today and what life is for two women who had to flee their homes in Mariupol, a city now occupied by Russia.  One woman lives in New Jersey, the other now lives in Ukraine. They visit both places and relay the harrowing journeys. These stories are set against the backdrop of Ukrainian history and the politics determining their fates. What they uncovered may surprise you. The reporting was supported by the International Women’s Media Foundation’s Women on the Ground: Reporting from Ukraine’s Unseen Frontlines Initiative in partnership with the Howard G. Buffett Foundation.