In hour 3 of The Armstrong & Getty Show
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty arm.
Strong, and and he Armstrong and Yetty.
This is the craziest combination of scandals I've ever seen. But the most insane part of this is that he said all of this stuff in the comments section of a porn site. Nobody should be writing in the comment section of our.
Pill in site.
You know what you should be commenting on a porn site.
Nothing? Nothing.
You don't go to make friends.
You're spending way too much time on porn sites if you're getting into your views on slavery, Okay, like most people the watch porn and you're like, here's my problem with the emancipation proclamation.
The last part was the funniest part.
There are comments sections on porn sites.
Yes, the gubernatorial candidate in North Carolina Jack accused of making inappropriate comments on porn sites, as opposed to appropriate comments on porn sites like way to fornicate or gosh, I like to look at your body parts?
Come on, sobah for those I.
Was gonna say, for those not familiar with it, how about the very sober ed o'keef laying it out, Michael, if you'd be so kind.
CNN first reported a series of past anti semitic and sexual comments by Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson on at least one pornography website with a username matching photos of him and his biographical information. In posts dating back to two thousand and eight, Robinson called himself a black Nazi, express support for reinstating slavery, recounted secretly watching women shower when he was a teenager, and made other lute comments.
He denied it.
All, but Robinson canceled scheduled campaign appearances and didn't show up Wednesday at a rally for GOP vice presidential candidate JD.
Vance.
So, so, this guy's a Republican. He's running for governor. Trump has backed him and said he is the new Martin Luther King junior. He's Martin Luther King junior on steroids. Trump has said, and the guy has said he's not going to step down.
He's not going to drop out of the race because of this stuff.
And it was the ultimate October Ish surprise because yesterday was like the last day to change the name on the ballot. Oh wow, So he north Carolina.
So okay, so he could drop out, but his name would still be on there, which is always difficult for low information voters. So it's a really really close race in North Carolina. It's one of the seven swing states, and there's concern that this, if he's what they're claiming he is, it's a drag on people turning out and it could keep Trump from win in the state and the presidency.
Actually, yeah, exactly, just depressed turnout. Again. He has specifically and categorically denied that any of this was him. The fact that anybody has like a sign in to a porn site where they comment, as Ronnie Cheng, the comedian put it, not only do they comment, but their picture is on there and their bio. Huh.
Anyway, sure you put your picture on there with your comments.
But he has denied all this completely. But even folks in Republican circles are talking about getting his name off the ballot as quickly as possible. So they perceive either this is the mere accusation will do so much damage in North Carolina, which is a pretty churchy compared to a lot of states, or they think it's close enough to true that they've got a serious liability.
Pretty churchy compared to a lot of states. Having lived in North Carolina, it's a church's dangstate I ever lived in by a lot.
Some Now it's interesting we got this email. You saw the quotes. Yeah, we have those.
Yeah, because this one particular quote, if they can tie it to him.
Well they have tie one. Jess and Wiley, Texas points out, as I've pointed out many times, they always characterize the quotes in mainstream media as if I'm just too precious to handle the entire quote. You better just give me an idea of what he has.
Said, the actual words my damage. All right, let's do These are some of the specifics. If you're listening with the kids. Number one, what the hell are you doing? If they're like under thirteen? Number two, perhaps join us next segment.
This is for No. One under thirty.
In the form of the website Nude Africa, Robinson wrote, I like watching young girl porn. That's hot. It takes the man out while leaving the man in. And yeah, I'm a purv too.
He likes transgender people having relations with girls.
Well, specifically politically. One of the reasons I could damage him is he's big on doing the pulpit preaching about there's only two genders and this is a lie and they're trying to And then you got him commenting on porn sites about how much he likes tranny on girl porn.
I mean, I gotta believe that hurts.
Him, yes, and the evangelical community. That might leave a mark. And then this odd comment.
Robinson called himself a quick Hey, it wouldn't go beyond that.
Another disturbing post, Robin.
Why don't you turn that off, Michael, just because clearly somebody missed something?
Ye sotgeous. So have we mentioned that the guy's black? I don't know if we mentioned that or not. Sometimes you forget because you're you've seen it and I'm picturing in my head. But he is a black guy, yes, And so him calling himself a well, he called himself a black Nazi and then said harsh things about Barack O.
Mom.
He's a he's an interesting mix of human being. And he said bring back slavery.
I'd buy a few, which is not to say, as a black guy, that's a very edgy joke. I've heard black comedians make similar jokes. It's very edgy. But I need to hear it in context. I would understand he was making a joke. Well, it was in print, so I don't know precisely what he said.
Anything to say if you're running for governor, no matter how you put no matter how you put it.
Yeah it was. It was like a decade ago. But yeah, here's here's my only takeaway. Because I judging by the reaction of the very party he's running for, they think this is legit. I think it's legit. Yeah, yeah, here's my takeaway. I'm gonna put this as gently as possible. There is a trend, particularly among supporters Donald Trump, that if a candidate, whether this fellow or a Carrie Lake or you know, like a herschel Walker or whatever, if they can own the Libs, if they can really bash those Libs, that's enough. That's my eye. Here's the problem, the shiny object of that attitude. If you don't look past that, sometimes you end up with a rotten candidate, a candidate who can't win, a candidate who turns off independent voters and moderates so consistently they're just a dog. You gotta be careful of that. That enthusiasm you get from somebody who just absolutely levels a fabulous blast against lefties. That's great, it's fun. I do it myself. I do it for a living at least part of the time. But that doesn't mean they should be your candidate. Be careful.
All of these swing states are going to be so close that every vote matters. But I find it hard to believe that people that would have voted for Trump aren't going to go vote because they decided they don't like the Republican governor candidate.
I just find that hard to believe in very large numbers.
Right, Yeah, it's the other way around the ticket, like it works down the ticket. Yeah, yeah, the other way around. Absolutely. How close is North Carolina right now? If it's I mean, if it's like one of those point or two swing states.
It is, Yeah, it's conceivable that that could depress enthusiasm and turnout.
Although I think you're right very very little.
It's amazing how many phony people are in politics. I mean, just I should never be shocked. But your big thing is there's only two genders and disgusting behavior and blah blah blah and ruining society, and then you're on porn sites posting. I like to watch tranny on girl porn. It's hot. It takes the man out while leaving the man in.
That's some interesting analysis. There are you alone.
As the comedians? And why are you going in the comment section.
Of Porn Science the weigh in?
What a weird thing to do as a public figure.
I don't know what he was doing at that point in his life. I have no idea ten years ago.
Well, okay, when you decided to become a public figure, you might all look back.
Is there anything in my past that.
Could possibly derail me running for office?
Oh yeah, I used to go on porn sites all the time, TRANSI and in comment all the time with my name and picture.
While I agree with you, at least partly, I just think he was a factory worker until he went viral in a video of a testimony he gave about gun rights to the Greensboro City Council in twenty eighteen. He's right to that he was a factory worker.
He's one of those I love when those happened.
Usually. He launched his campaign for lieutenant governor a year later, and he won, and now he's running for governor. But as the scrutiny mounts, as you get higher and higher, the oppo research gets more and more enthusiastic and well funded. Yeah. God, it's tough.
With the history trail we all have online in the modern world, how does anybody run for office? I think, like you've been saying for years, the next generation they're going to ignore all this stuff because everybody's got stuff from their twenties when they were on social media that looks abhorrent for an adult running for office, and they'll it'll just all.
Be a wash, don't you think. And and or it'll be so easy to create it, right, to fake it, Yeah.
And then deny it if it's real, because you'll say it that's fake.
If you used to. I don't know, for instance, a comment on so quote unquote tranny porn on porn websites and wonder, wow, could they be on to me? I'll bet this guy didn't know that that sort of thing can still be found. But the powers that be you track that username on the porn site. It's a same username he uses on other websites like YouTube, Amazon, and pinterest. Wow, use several common phrases in those posts and others.
He has the same user name for his porn stuff that he uses on Pinterest if he wants to buy, you know, a shadow box to put in his kitchen for his knickknacks.
Exactly. Yeah. Furthermore, Robinson publicly used uncommon phrases the screen name did, including gag a maggot, and I don't give a frog's ass. According to CNN, man did he claim.
It was deep fake AI stuff right off the bat If he didn't, Every politician should have that in their holster for anything that ever comes out.
Now, Oh, a nice job with the deep fake.
Not really hard to make a fake looking posting from an old porn extreme capture. Oh wow, Yeah, everybody should have that in their holster. Well, we'll see if that story matters at all. I didn't need to hear any of that, really, stay tuned.
On A one two oh Toddy in the air the other way, t kid goes what of a kind player?
What of a kind season? So hey, Tani starts to fifty fifty club.
Well, now in the middle of the game.
It ended up being a one of a kind game from Shoheyo Tani of the Dodgers, who paid seven hundred million dollars from maybe the best offensive player and one of the best pitchers in the league. Yeah, bo or both for the same guy, and maybe the greatest game in the history of anybody in baseball.
Batted in, knocked in ten runs, three home runs, stole several bases.
Crazy, Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's astounding and reading actually the history of that sort of game, and some guys have come close. But regardless the fact that he did that on the day he became the first ever fifty home run fifty steel guys, he's ridiculous.
Yeah, he is steroid free, he is, and he's never just that good, and he's never played a playoff game, and that is going to get a lot of eyeballs as the Dodgers are tied for the best record.
So season's got about a dozen games left, ten games left. Do you care about baseball at all? You've got to watch.
Oh, I wish I'd have been watching that game in real time. That must have been amazing.
Last thing. There's been a hell of a lot of great athletes playing this game for a very very long time, and here he is doing what he's doing. It's amazing. So Joe brought this up a few minutes ago.
We were talking about that possible pervo weirdo guy wants to be governor in North Carolina and how it will affect North Carolina as a swing state. Here's Nate Silver, one of the best posters in America, talking about how close this rais is yesterday.
I don't think we've.
Ever seen such a close race, all seven battleground states pulling within two percentage points or less. It comes down to just who has the better bigger coalition. Trump has made some inroads with some groups, for example, younger Hispanic voters, younger Black voters, but you know, Democrats continuity to gang ground the suburbs. They're going to have probably a more robust data and turnout operation in a state like North Carolina in particular.
Yeah, never been a racist close for this long without anybody ever taking a lead like this. And to say they're within two points means they're tied because the marginal of bear is greater than two points. So all seven battleground states are tied, and so either person could win quite handily in the electrical electoral college. It's impossible for me to say electrical college. It's just impossible.
I just think give at one point, you gave up trying. Yeah, it was probably four years ago.
I think it's probably because we added all these new radio stations. And I know I don't want to come off as a complete moron, just the partial moron that I'm used to by saying electrical college, but I can't help it AnyWho.
As I read yesterday, actually is a national review.
They said, don't get up any expectations for the idea that we're going to know who won the election that night on November fifth. There's almost zero chance of that, partially because Pennsylvania doesn't They their state doesn't allow opening up the mail in ballots until that morning, so if it's close, there's there's zero chance they're gonna have it counted to the point that they know who won until later that week. In twenty twenty, it was the Saturday after that they were able to figure out Biden won Pennsylvania.
So it's going to be days if it comes down to that.
Such a strange time, I'm reminded of the absurdity of the Biden administration constantly pushing for a ceasefire and gazo and neither of the relevant sides wanted one. They finally admitted by the way that hey, that's not gonna happen. Yeah, we know. But in the same way, you've got two candidates, neither of which wants a debate. What a strained, strange dynamic.
Oh, I wanted to get this in this really good Trump ad.
That's very clever. Maybe we'll play that in the next half hour.
It may be the most effective fifth teen second advertisement I've ever seen in my career in media.
Yeah, pretty pretty good. We got a whole bunch of things to hip you to. Oh how about that judge getting shot?
Here?
That story?
Oh, oh Man, Armstrong and getty.
Dozens of police officers descended on the Letcher County Courthouse in Whitesburg, Kentucky.
After shots were fired.
Police reportedly arrested Letcher County Sheriff Mickey Steins, who was accused of shooting District Judge Kevin Mullens inside his office. The Kentucky Court of Justice says it's aware of today's incident, calling it tragic. Law enforcement says this investigation is far from over.
So what caused a sheriff to go back and shoot a judge to death?
Yeah, this is an argumentory I saw just said after a dispute.
Right, there's a guy who clearly should not have been in law enforcement and given the right to take people's lives.
Yeah.
Yeah, And we.
Have done all whole bunch of different things with cops over the years and ask this question, and it's always about the same. Cops will tell you about a quarter of cops shouldn't be cops.
Well, that guy shouldn't have been a cop. Yeah, because I don't care what your argument was, it doesn't justify going in there and shooting the judge to death.
On a completely different topic, coming up to the death of the minivan.
I'm kind of leaning toward a minivan at this point in my life. Just I saw one the other day and I thought that was so damned convenient when we had that.
Why am I not still driving a minivan?
Yeah?
I have many comments on that topic, But first I'd like to point out that at the end of the last segment, I said, what you're about to hear is the most effective fifteen second advertisement I have heard in my long career in media, and Jack said, yeah, it's pretty good.
You undermined me. No, no, no, that was no, that was undermining.
No, No, that was cool. I understatement.
I was agreeing with you with kind of aloof cool guy response.
That's what I was.
I get in trouble for that all the time in texting where I'm doing that same thing. I'm very enthusiastic, but I'm just kind of playing a cool hmm.
It's funny because you you reject the time honored, time honored traditions of texting. You will not use the exclamation point, even though it is so important in texting.
You'll have to pry my phone out of my cold dead hand before I'll ever use an exclamation point.
And you are also racist against the newest race on Earth emojis. Yeah, I'm not a child so well, and then you complain that you're misunderstood via text. You're a conundrum, sir. Anyway, we're worry Let's say, what clip is that? I forgot to look it up. Do you have it? Michael? Seriously? This and I don't know whether this is a homemade virality that's going around or the Trump campaign is actually behind it?
Says proved by Donald Trump at the end.
Yeah, I know we got ninety seconds of Kamala Harris talking. It ain't Kamala Harris. Oh, but either way, what I was going to say is either way it's brilliant. Listen it is here.
Would you now they have pledged to carry out the largest deportation, a mass deportation, in American history. Imagine what that would look like and what that would be.
I'm Donald Trump and I approved this message.
How do you like that.
When one party is so out of touch with like eighty percent of the country, Well, it's more like two thirds, because there's actually been pulling on this. But when one party is so out of touch with two thirds of the country that you can just use their threat as a Yep, you're right.
Their characterization of your policy, sir, Yes, that is correct.
So in case I went by too fast, this is Kamala Harris trying to sound like she's blasting and him saying, yep, you're right.
Now, they have pledged.
To carry out the largest deportation, a mass deportation in American history. Imagine what that would look like and what that would be.
I'm Donald Trump and I approved this message.
Also, I find this fascinating. I've read about it at a fair amount. Mark Calprin talks about it on his podcast all the time. It's an anachronism to really get into what's an official ad, and what's a non official ad, and whether it was approved or whatever.
It doesn't make any difference. It's similar to the debate ratings the other night.
Sixty seven million people watched on the way you measure normal networks. There's like another twenty five million people that watched on all kinds of things. I've never even heard of, watching it on Discord or Twitch or whatever the hell this ad if you see it somewhere on your phone, it doesn't freaking make any difference. If they bought it with campaign money, or it was a super pack, or it's fake or whatever, it doesn't make any difference.
Or a dude chopped it up and put it together in fifteen seconds in his own time. Yeah, exactly, utterly meaningless. It's political communication, which is one of the more interesting and fun aspects of the Internet, which should still be unplugged. So the underlying topic there immigration obviously a couple of quick headlines. Nearly five hundred and thirty migrants immigrants came to the US legally paroled into the US under a controversial Biden program. According to the Customs and Border Patrol People, is part of the Biden administration's controversial mass parole program from virtual for virtually anybody coming from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela in a row. And that's on top of the illegal types. In a related story, Texas Governor Greg Abbott god bless him, designated the Venezuelan Trendy Iragua Gang TDA, as they're known for short, as a terrorist organization on Monday. The move gives Texas law enforcement officials additional tools and resources to attack the gang and disrupt their criminal operations and deny their foothold in the state. The governor stated, which I think is just great. Greg Abbott is he is the Babe Ruth perhaps now the sho Heyotani of great political communication and great stances on the border. He's just terrific. I wish Trump was as good at communicating the situation as he is, but anyway, you know, I wish a lot of different things. In a related related story, Aaron Heitke, who was the former Border Patrol head of Border Patrol in the San Diego sector, was testifying in front of Congress a couple of days ago, and this ought to be on the front page of every single major website publication in America. It's being ignored, of course on the left. Michael, let's hit a couple of his quotes, starting with fifty. Here we go any minute now. I'm sorry, I was listening to something in my ear. Could you say with the clip?
Was you got a jillor Swift CD? And don't you you listen to Stern? He listened to Howard Stern while we're on the air well this morning.
That is wow, wow. Actively disengaged? Is that term? Is that situation? Look it up? Clip fifty please, Michael. Five. Oh, like the fifty Great American States.
In San Diego, we had an exponentially increase in significant interest aliens. These are aliens with significant.
Ties to terrorism.
Prior to this administration, the San Diego sector averaged ten to fifteen siars per year. Once it was out the border was far easier to cross. San Diego went to over one hundred sias in twenty twenty two, well over that in twenty twenty three, and even more than that registered this year. These are only the ones we caught. At the time, I was told I could not release any information on this increase in SIAS or mentioned any of the arrests. The adminis was trying to convince the public there was no threat at the border.
How am I just hearing this now?
I mean I saw a headline about it somewhere in right wing media of today.
This should be a huge story.
Let's roll on with mister Heike's testimony.
Through pressure from the administration, my headquarters became more interested in the fiction that being portrayed in the media and not at all concerned with reality. Each time we asked for help and dealing with a new issue, it fell on deaf ears.
At times.
In San Diego, we had two thousand or more aliens sitting in between the fences asking to turn themselves in.
I was told to move them out of side.
Of the media. Absolutely disgusting. It's treasonous what the Biden administration has done at the border. And go ahead, Jack, if you haven't found.
Like I said, that this should be a giant story. Like I'm surprised it didn't lead newscasts last night. On the other hand, even while we were so bothered through all this that it was almost entirely Fox News only that was reporting on this, somehow words seeped out to people. I mean, that's why you've got it being like the number two issue in America, and the you know, Biden was polling it like in the twenty percent on his immigration policies. I think the only reason it's not exponentially larger in the American consciousness is a the Biden administration has at least partial success in covering it up, as mister he Heike is describing, and the media's just shameless complicity with it, no matter that damage done to the country. Every time I hear any story about immigration now it's all numbers have been dropping for several months.
So in other news Dodger stars show a time. Well, that doesn't matter. This administration allowed in gazillions of people, maybe terrorists.
Nobody was checking.
They should be on the hook for that, even if numbers are dropping now. By by the way, reinstating some of the Trump policies that they used to decry.
Perhaps you're incapable of rational thought and you spout idiocies like build bridges not walls. Well, how about healthy young people dropping dead by the thousands all over the United States?
Next clip, Fentanyl is another issue. The San Diego area sees between eighty and ninety percent of the methan fhetamine and fentanyl seizures annually for our entire country. With little enforcement at the border, these drugs were coming through in mass. During my last year in San Diego, the price for a single pill of fentanyl, for example, went from ten dollars to twenty five cents.
The wholesale price of a deadly, deadly drug that's killing thousands of tens of thousands of Americans twenty five cents next clip.
To make matters worse, during twenty twenty two and twenty three, I had to shut down San Diego traffic checkpoints, which are critical for drug in addiction because the resources that had been diverted to the process and release mission. The large numbers also had and still have a negative impact on the San Diego community. I had to release the illegal aliens by the hundreds each day into communities who could not support them. To quiet the problem, two flights a week were provided from San Diego to Texas. These flights simply brought aliens that would have been released in San Diego over to Texas. Each flight costs approximately one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. This was the administration's way to try and quiet the border of wide crisis.
One of the key phrases there, of course, is that they had to stop interdicting drugs and cartel members and terrorists because they were so overwhelmed just processing the people that they had to then release into the country at the orders of the administration.
Man, there should be there should be a price to pay for that policy.
This is the guy running the San Diego sector talking about this, and he's being ignored. And he made it absolutely clear talking to Sean Hannity that there are people with known terrotories in the country, many of them these special interest aliens.
If there's ever a terrorist attack that comes from somebody that likely crossed the border, then this stuff, I suppose, will all of a sudden make it to light.
I suppose. But and that's absolutely true. How about gang attacks? About crimes? How about healthy young people dropping dead?
Also, immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than natural born citizens. So I'd like you to stay away from that.
That stupid, moronic argument. I heard it was in the Wall Street Journal the other day. I almost dropped a note to the journalist, but I'd spend all my journal you suck. I'd probably get a little more eloquent than that. But not much, say hell of a fight when the referee is on the other side.
See the debate. I hate to.
Spent all my time complaining. I'm trying to convince my kids to stop complaining so much. But I want to complain about the guy who made COVID policy for New York who got caught in a one of those undercover trickeries where they recorded him bragging about going to sex parties and going out to eat and everything like that while while New York was locked down yet to another government official who didn't want you to go out and do anything, but they were going to go out and do whatever they wanted. I hope we all remember this next time something like this happens. Hopefully never anyway, exactly that sort of thing. Lots to talk about.
Stay here, Armstrong, tell him fifty because they read my birthday text all day without realizing my flashlight was on and I knew it.
It's really been such a great day.
The best part was this afternoon when the staff second mandatory rendition of Happy Birthday.
That one meant a lot to me.
Yeah.
I also like to thank NBC. They were very kind. They sent a card that said we'd love to get the gifts, but our budget was used up on Snoop Dogg going to the Atlantic. That's the car they sent us until they have a very special birthday message they just got send and let's let's see it.
Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday. I'd forgotten about that.
It's one of the great Biden things that you know, edged him closer to happen to give up his run.
For the presidency. What he did that birthday song?
But didn't know the woman's name. In a related story, he's still the president. Oh wow, excellent point. Happy birthday in here, ven, We've all done that. I've been in homes before. God, what was their name again? I barely know this person.
Gee, I've worked with them for five years. I should know their name seven.
Time, right right. So reading from MSN dot com the death of the minivan, it's interesting. The facts are that minivan sales have cratered. They were they peaked in the year two thousand and about one point three million were sold in the United States and in a year as of last year, that figures down by about eighty percent. Interesting.
How much is sprinter vans cut into that people are getting sprinter vans instead, and they don't count as minivans.
It's mostly SUVs right, that are essentially minivans, just look a little different. And what's annoying to me, particularly as an alleged humorist, is that this writer Ian something or other, this website doesn't function properly. Ian what's your name? Son Ian Boghost just lays on the whole how uncool they are, how embarrassing they are, like fifteen times in the article that's so like, all right, dude, a, it's a cliche. It's obviously a widespread perception. It has affected an important sector of the American economy. So I can't poop poo it completely because, as he plays out in the article, it is unquestionable that a minivan better executes what you need it to do at lower cost than the big suv that looks cooler.
It's funny we did the opposite of what the trend is. We originally when first kid was going to be born, we got an suv, like a Ford Explorer or something like that. Got an su thinking we wouldn't be minivan people, and then quickly decided the minivan is just so much handier, don't I'm not going four wheel driving anywhere with the baby and the doors and the being able to get in the back seat and everything was just so much easier on a minivan, so we went minivan direction. So handy with the guess people don't get them because they're cool, But that's not the stage you are in your life where you're trying to drive something that's cool.
You're driving to your every aspect of.
Your life when you have kids is what's going to be the most convenient and practical. Everything, the way you dress, the way you eat, everything you do, including what you drive.
Yeah, I'm I kind of classic to the point of having a mental problem. So swimming against the tide is pretty familiar to me. I didn't care what anybody thought. It was so incredibly utilitarian, it was useful. Yeah, especially as a guy with three kids going on vacation and such. It was just indispensable. But people hate him, I guess.
And I was actually wondering the other day why am I still not drying? Still I still run two kids around all the time and just be easier to get in and out. And the fact that the doors slide instead of open is just handy.
Oh and how many times, you know, we'd stop and Judy would unbuckle yourself, walk through the center area to the back back seat where as somebody needed whatever. Uh yeah, but the tastes are tastes. A good talking to is what they probably needed. I could handle it from the front anyway. So you're spending more on gas, more on the vehicle, and it's less useful, but people want them.
Did you ever turn this car around after threatening?
I did once.
We were on the way to the Christmas Tree Farm, and we turned the car and around went back home.
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