Race To The Bottom

Published May 31, 2024, 3:55 PM

Hour 2 of A&G features...

  • Andrew Cherkasky, criminal defense and civil trial lawyer, joins A&G
  • The unintended consequences of the Trump trial
  • Stormy Daniels "finally got her moment"
  • Stormy Daniels new film and bye bye QR codes!  

From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty Show.

He thinks this is a tough guy look that will work for him. Presumably he also kind of has to lean into it, right. You can't pretend not to be a criminal while you're a criminal defendant. We've been holding our breath as a country for a long time, waiting for the cavalry to arrive in the form of the rule of law, and it did arrive today, and it's a majestic day.

I wanted to be able to see this moment with my own eyes. In about three weeks from today, I will have been covering Donald Trump for nine years. There will not have been a day in the past nine years, I think where I have not mentioned his name, or at least thought a thought about Donald Trump.

His whole dream was to be respected in Manhattan, and it was in Manhattan where he was brought low. I think there's something interesting and poetic about that.

Mister Steinlass.

I think some of you probably saw him speak for a little bit the other day, so he's done his job.

It was very satisfying to finally see this guy get some come up and.

Thank you so much. Anything going on today, a.

Lot of glee from a lot of different people on the left over the verdict yesterday. I mean the reporter who has the been following Trump, as you heard her say there since he came down the elevator for NBC, just beaming with excitement that she got to be there for when he finally got his come up.

Ins So, Donald Trump convicted Vall thirty four strange and convoluted felony charges. To discuss the outcome and what comes next, We've delighted to have Andrew Gerkawski, criminal defense and civil trial lawyer. You've seen him on all the big cable news channels and major newspapers and websites.

Andrew, how are you. It's a pleasure.

Yeah, good morning.

How are you?

Guys?

We're terrific. Thank you.

So I had in real life friends calling me last night because they know I follow this stuff, Say dude, what is what happened?

What does this mean? So I will hit you with the same question, what happened? What does this mean?

Well, I think the jury got it wrong. I'll tell you why the whole case was about a very basic idea that when he paid Michael Cone the money to pay back essentially for what Michael Cone put out for Stormy Daniels for that hush money agreement, that was a legal thing to do to pay off that hush money agreement. The idea that the most basic idea is that he put in his accounting books that that was a legal expense, and that's what the jury fundamentally had to decide was wrong. We never got any evidence about that, and frankly, as a business owner, as an attorney myself, I don't know what to put in your accounting books as that payment if not legal expense. Now, if he had put in their charity or construction costs and paid it in cash, everybody in the country would know that that's a fraud, that's a crime, that's wrong to do. But he put legal expense. He put it in at ninety nine, he put it in his ethics forms that he had paid this money. And so I just fundamentally disagree with the idea that that charging business person for putting that on that line item is wrong. And then all of the Michael Cohene and Stormy Daniels, I think that was the defense getting caught up in the mud of what the prosecution essentially did, which was a lot of mudsling.

I thought, in my Quicken program, there's a category for trollop silencing.

There's not just click on that.

We need to make sure that QuickBooks adds a Stormy Daniels hush money payment line item for folks just so they don't give me trouble.

So I don't want I think this matters because the part of the claim that I heard a lot yesterday was the election wouldn't have been this close if people had known about his payment to Stormy Daniels. Would we have known if he filed it the way they say he needed to file it, I mean, because it was in October before a November election, I'm not sure would we even have found out anyway.

No, the reporting timeline for a campaign contribution would have been after the election in that case. And so I think people really have to focus in on if you're going to allow this conviction to sway you or to have some influence, what is it that upsets you about it? And are you honest about what's from being upset by or are you just part of the Trump derangement syndrome right type circumstances here, because you really, I mean, I guess some people might be offended by the idea of putting legal expenses in there. If that's what gets you angry, if that's what is going to cause you not to vote for Donald Trump, then you probably weren't going to vote for him all along. But if you're kind of on the fence here and you just want to say, well, he was convicted and so I can't vote for him, I think that's foolish and shortsighted, because you really have to any crime, you have to get to the heart of what upsets you. I just don't see what's upsetting about this.

So we are both intrigued by the politics of it. I am especially interested in how this might go in the appeal, But I think that the fundamental question, the really important question, is.

What sort of charge is this?

A local prosecutor contorting a state law into enforcing federal election law, and how dangerous is this? Andrew going forward to the Republic, Well, it's.

Called law there. So you turn the law, the criminal law, into a wildly mishmoshed of difficult to understand little charging scheme in order to advance your political ideas. And that's how I see it. I know people may see it a different way, but you have to really look at what the basics are here. The idea of politics and for campaigns is to promote certain ideas that they think are beneficial and to try to quash stories that are detrimental to the campaign. It's gone on for as long as the country has been around. We could point to dozens of examples of leaders on both sides in every degree of campaign that occurs, from you know, school boards and county clerks all the way up to the president of the United States. And so we really have to look at what we're doing in terms of the future. Is this really what we want to see happen to other candidates, because now the gloves are off, and I can't imagine that the Republicans would hold back on their desires to prosecute their political enemies. Of course, remember Donald Trump, although he ran on lock her up to Hillary Clinton, never pursued additional criminal charges and he could have against her.

Boy, that's a good point in the future. If we keep going down this road, candidates will do that. So the likelihood of him going to jail I keep peering over and over again. It's very unlikely. But very unlikely means there is some likelihood. And you've got a defendant who convicted on thirty four felonies, who has bad mouth the judge, the process, and the jury and has shown no contrition whatsoever.

Is there a chance he spends any time in jail in your mind?

And a judge that has made it pretty clear that he doesn't like Trump.

You gave all the reasons why I think that there's a chance that jail time could be issued here. Now if you look at the New York standards and the law that is currently in place, especially in light of all of the justice reform that has been pushed forward by the Democrats, this would fall outside of a jail time sentence. And that's specifically because it's a first time offense, it's non violent, and there are alternate ways essentially to go about doing this. There's other mitigating factors as well, to include his age and its prior foremant of public duties and services for the country.

And of course, Andrew, I must jump in here and point out Donald Trump as a man of color, that color being orange.

I'm sure you know they also ask him during his probation interview if he is employed or if he's applying for any new job. So I suppose he can write in there that he's applying for the President of the United States.

I'm applying for leader of the Free World.

So Andrew and I know this is difficult to predict, but were the judge to say, now, we can't let this sort of thing go, I'm sentencing you to sixty days, which happens to cover the Republican Convention and an important part of the campaign.

Where does it go from there?

Is it conceivable the Supreme Court would hold an emergency hearing or anything like that, or would he just go to jail?

So there are appeal options. He's certainly going to appeal, and notice of appeal is due within thirty days of the actual sentence, which is scheduled for July eleventh. Now there are earlier opportunities that they can essentially motion for the appellate court to stay or any sentencing proceedings, or at least the execution of a sentence. So if jail were to be issued while it's not appealed, they don't actually have him serve his time. They instead hear the appeal first, which is likely to take many months or a year or more in fact, and so I think it crawls for that system. I think the appellate court, even if they don't ultimately give him relief, although I think that there's a very good chance and we'd have round two of this trial, I would find it hard to believe that the appellate court would allow him to be locked up at this point. But there is no kind of like silver bullet here to make sure that that doesn't happen. This is all just hoping and praying with the democratic justices that are both at the trial level and then of course at the appellate levels.

You know, and orange guy in an orange jumpsuit would really look like an OPA lumpa could.

Be read advertising for his campaign. I suppose, you know, the fixtures of his of his mugshot really sold.

Well, that's true. Andrew Turkowski, criminal defense and civil trial lawyer. Really enlightening, Andrew. We thank you for the time, Thank you.

Yeah.

So that theme kind of seemed to grow throughout the day that you know, people needed disinformation to know how to vote. There are voters out there who would have said, first of all, as you heard there, the filing information wouldn't have gotten to us before the election, I don't think anyway. But and was there anybody who didn't think, oh my god, he is a man who lays down with fallen women. I mean, does that person exist anywhere? No?

I think at best this is a wash in terms of motivating voters. And I would suggest, because I'm feeling it in my own ticker, this will invigorate marginally Trump supporting conservatives and Republicans to think, Look, I don't like the Orange guy. I think he's a prick or irresponsible. I wouldn't go that far. You know, all of the complaints about Trump, we know what they are. And yet I can't.

Reward this sort of lawfare and this.

This new road we're going down. We've got to stop it. I'm holding my nose and voting for Trump.

I think you will see a significant surge of enthusiasm among Republicans.

They got a lot more on this and other stuff, and we'd like to hear from you. Our text line is four one, five, two nine five kftc art.

This really puts into sharp relief a weaponization of the criminal justice system to a degree that we haven't seen since the administration of John Adams, and it may have a transformative effect. Sometimes great legal reforms and positive things come from mistakes and abuses. One positive thing here could be that it would go vanize the country to say, regardless of how you feel about.

Donald Trump, this is wrong.

Okay, it's wrong on the law, it's wrong to use the criminal justice system in this way.

That is my expressed hope that this is such a so widely seen as a terrible moment and a mistake that we correct as a country. I don't have a lot of faith that that's what happened, but I really hope it is.

I hope Jonathan Turley is right. I hope you're right.

I don't want to be right, but I think it's I just keep using the expression race to the bottom.

I think that's what we're doing. I think that's a good expression. You should keep using it.

I am struck by the fact that the folks at the National Review, for instance, and I can name check the guys, but it doesn't matter.

Who are.

From suspicious to openly contemptuous of Trump, depending on the discussion. I have tied on the band Dana and hoisted the sales and are fully at war with this ruling and with this trial. For instance, the editorial board said, well, Alvin Bragg got his man in a case that will be eventually remembered as a textbook instance of selective prosecution. The Manhattan District Attorney breathed life into the alleged book keeping misdemeanor that the statute of limitations had expired on, and Merlin like transformed it into thirty four felonies. And I'm tempted to go through the tortured legal logic of this again, just because it's helpful to be reminded of it.

But we don't really have time. But the.

Frankenstinian construction of the crime and the compliant judge then, who instructed the jurors to take a Chinese menu approach to the second offense that made the first offense not an old misdemeanor, but indeed a heleny is just unprecedented and bizarre. But again, I hope enough reasonable sober moderate people, because if you take the conservative third, the Republican third, and the moderate third, that's an overwhelming majority. And I'm hoping that moderate third takes a look at this and says we can't do this.

It really only matters what I think I heard.

The number was yesterday like one hundred and fifty thousand voters spread out over six states. To think of this in terms of the politics of it, I mean, that's the only thing that really matters for the presidential election.

You know.

It's just funny how often I need to be reminded of that. Oh, that's right. The jury is really not the nation. The jury is swing state voters and actually swing county voters in those swing states.

And probably yeah, probably independents and swing counties in certain states because other people are dug in. This is Dan McLoughlin. He's a guy who writes for the National Review. Also couldn't be more of a never Trumper said this yesterday because I think my vote through and don't just vote my gut.

I still am not voting for Trump. He's unfit for president.

But I got to say I'm emotionally closer to voting for Trump tonight than I've been in the past nine years of bitterly contesting his influence on my party. This is wrong, it's dangerous, and it's inevitably going to take us to even darker places where those of us who believe in clear, written law applied impartially are ever more isolated. That's the question. Did it move the needle on anybody in the left. I just can't believe that that it would.

It doesn't even make sense that it would.

No. No, I think you're one hundred percent correct. They were fired up about where they were already. This convoluted, difficult to understand, trumped up a bunch of misdemeanors.

It's not going to get anybody's attention. I don't think.

I think it'll be the opposite, especially because and again I'm the perfect representative of this sort of thing. I've gone from staunchly opposing Biden and his puppet masters because I think the old man's seen island probably not in charge of much, to actually afraid of what they could do to the country given four more years right now in the White House, that again, Bill Barr, that.

Would be national suicide.

Trump is a wild card, and I would spend the entire time on the edge of my seat thinking, oh, please avoid disaster. But if Biden and his crew get back in, we already have our disaster. I mean, the woke thing, the gender bending thing, the racialism of the critical race theory, and the Black Lives Matter and the uh oh, just all of it. Oh, trying to convince the little kids they're transgender and then promoting surgeries and chemical treatments in the face of all medical evidence.

Another four years down the road of that, God help us.

Can Trump avoid running only on the aggrieved, put upon convicted felon They did it again.

They rigged this, They rigged that.

Can he keep from doing that for the rest of the election, because it's still a better, better way to go to talk about immigration, inflation, et cetera.

You're exactly right again on that. He has some really smart, disciplined people in his campaign. If anybody can convince him to remember what this election's about, they can.

I hope it'd be.

Tough coming off thirty four felonies, though sitting there in the courtroom, Armstrong and Getty.

The goal here is to keep them tied up in court. You think this judge sets that day three days before the convention is a quaintance. He knows exactly what day he sat, and he knew exactly why he was doing it. That this is the most outrageous travesty i've ever seen. And the problem here is Democrats have crossed this line. They have crossed the line in which now the court system is a political weapon and it's going to be very hard for it not to come back.

The other way. That's Marco Rubio. Last night.

I thought that immediately when I heard somebody point out that the sentencing date was four days before the convention, I thought, is that like the normal time period or did he know when the convention was? Then I continued to think, as I think too much, is there a date he could have picked where we wouldn't be saying this. That's one week before the debate, that's two days before the convention, that's the day after. I mean, I don't know if there are any good days right now in the heat of five months to go in an election, that wouldn't you know, you couldn't make the argument that it was a contrived effort to keep Trump down.

It's a fair point, right, yeah.

Yeah, But so the poll most people were sighting yesterday on this, and there are polling outfits in the field today because your big polls knew the verdict was likely to come down and they were ready to go so they're pulling on this now, hoping to have polling results by probably the Sunday shows on Sunday morning, and we'll have an idea of.

How much this affects people.

Of course, just because people say it will or won't affect them doesn't mean it's true come November exactly.

There are so many big crazy things between now and.

Then, and guaranteed, even if other big crazy things didn't happen, people, I mean people get enthusia. Well, I'll use this example. The poll people were citing most yesterday. I don't remember where this poll came from, but it was fifteen percent of people say they will be less likely to vote for Trump if he's a convicted felon, with the other side of the number being well, that means eighty five percent either say it won't make any difference or make it more likely to vote for Trump, although, as Ian Bremmer pointed out in his tweet about it, he said, fifteen percent in a you know, a razor thin election is not nothing. But that fifteen percent was there any chance they were voting for Trump anyway? Are they just saying I'm even more likely not to vote for him now? So it's hard to say. People are so formative on polls.

All of them, all of them, all.

Right, And to that point, I alread this one text. I'm glad you played that Coen clip because that leads me to another conversation, Michael. But we got this text fitting in with a lot of total stuff I saw. I'm one of those who just didn't think I could vote for Trump because I so strongly dislike him and January sixth was a travesty and really don't want to be aligned with some of those maga idiots who are outside the courthouse yesterday, the idiots on both sides, those people who show up to these events and scream at each other, what the hell. I can't think of anything I less want to do than go get in our watch, And.

I can't imagine going to get in an argument with some numbskull outside of court about abortion or Trump or whatever. Before you go any further on this text, I would like to say to whoever wrote it, we got to hang out sometime, because I loud and clear.

The person goes on to say, but we can't stand for the progressives to destroy and weaponize our justice system. So I'll be a big yes on November fifth, feel like I've had a I feel like I've got a really bad hangover.

This morning, which is interesting.

Well, we're getting that sentiment a lot from non Trump buying in conservatives and moderates and Republicans via email via text that I don't think that is like a misleading microcosm of America. I think that is a definite wave of energy that's sweeping the land, whether it lasts or not.

As we were discussing, who knows.

God, wouldn't that be something that when history of this is all written and everything's cooled down decades from now, it becomes clear that these court cases, particularly this stupid one, got Trump elected. That'd be something It's not hard to believe either. No, no, it is not. So I just came up with a brand new term. I think I invented this.

Cool.

Now, there might be something analogous to it out there, but I swear it just clicked in my head about events like this months before an election. Will this have lasting importance or will it be a vacation tennis racket. Here's what I'm talking about. You go on vacation with your family. You haven't played tennis in years and you have the equipment there at the resort or whatever, and you think, wow, I really enjoy this game.

I've forgotten.

So you go home and you buy a tennis racket and then you just never use it again.

Yeah, is this trot go ahead? It's like a couple of scuba masks. I believe my son and his mom having the closet from right a couple of years ago when they did their once will you wish? Will this resonate in November? Or will it be a vacation scuba mask? Right? You know, I really liked that. I think I'm gonna get into scoob being. I'll right do it all the time.

Oh, I did exactly think, but I didn't buy any gear.

So, Michael, you played that clip of Michael Cohen, you know which polls as everything Cohen different Cone.

So Cohen's on MSNBC last night and they're fawning over him and listening God have you no prom and listening to is every word like he's just he's so interesting and deep and thoughtful.

He's just a thuggish guy. Trump needed to hire a bad guy to do bad things. He had to hire a guy.

He's not real bright without a conscience to do the kind of things he wanted him to do. That's who the guy is. Y'all hated him up until the moment he turned on Trump. And now you sit there and you listen to the words come out of his mouth.

Like, oh wow, that is so deep and interesting. So I found that annoying.

And then I was on some political podcast with a whole bunch of heavyweight to her weighing in, and this woman jumped in, and she was a professor of something from somewhere, sort of person I probably would just hate deeply if I ever sat next door at a dinner.

Table, and she would hate me. But she said, I would just like to interject.

I just am happy that the women have finally had a chance to have their moment. I mean women that Trump degraded, and they she mentioned too. She mentioned the woman that said Trump assaulted her in the changing room at the store, and Trump, you know it was there, one hundred million dollars whatever. I don't know what happened in that case, he said, She said, from thirty years ago, a little squishy, but I don't know what happened there.

But then she went on to say, and for Stormy.

Who stayed so strong and had been denigrated by this man for so long and stayed strong throughout this And I just think we need to think about Stormy in this moment. Wow, are you kidding me? This woman willingly had sex with an old, fat, rich man to try to get something of value from it.

Having sex for value has a name. It's not usually looked well upon that name. Is she love she was trying to be?

Or is AhR she prostituted herself for a shot at the apprentice? I mean, and if she wants to live her life that way, okay, great. I don't love that lifestyle, but.

That's what happened.

And then she willingly took the money to not talk about it. But one then it turned out maybe she could make more money by talking about it.

She was willing to talk about it.

We need to think about Stormy in this moment and everything she's been doing.

Give me a freaking break.

I'm willing to listen to your stuff about twisting the law and this felony, makes this misdemeanor.

That expired blah blah blah.

Okay, at least maybe that's true, but don't give me the teary eyed. I need to think about Stormy in this moment. You're out of your mind if that's where you ended.

Up on this.

And I say with a small measure of pride that around here, you know, if Matt Gates gets off some great shot at Joe Biden or Marjorie Taylor Green says something marginally insightful or useful to quote unquote my side, I'm not going to embrace Marjorie like she's some sort of sage or saint, or pretend that Matt Gates isn't an oily. Just check your wristwatch after he shakes your hand type character, whether it's Michael Cohen, you know, morally speaking that literally, although I don't know, but to turn Michael Cohen or Michael Avanatti for the love of having story into some sort of or Stormy Daniels into some sort of hero, some sort of paragon, the sort of person.

We ought to look to.

Again, I remind you, my friends, of the Michaelavanati being whispered about as a candidate for president that.

Was sincere on the left.

You people have no morals none. I think she meant it too. So that's what's interesting to me that this. You know, educated person looks at this story and somehow comes out in the end where Stormy is some woman to look to what neither one of them. It's disgusting on both ends of it. But you can't put Stormy Daniel above Trump in that relationship and the deal that they were making.

I mean, come on, let's see you know what.

Gosh, dang it, I wish I had it, Handy are you telling me the star of But I couldn't come up in the list of titles in time. I'd seen those before. Yeah, yeah, they don't name any of the titles here on Wikipedia.

They're probably not appropriate for air. Oftentimes your porn titles are not appropriate for children. No, what are you listening to the show with children?

Ay, they're bored, it's not entertaining to them, or it's not appropriate for them now Actually a lot of the porn titles are just that was back in the day, because her heyday was a number of years ago when there was some pretense at art. Still occasionally and they have sly winking double on Hondra.

Type type titles.

Anyway, how about.

Oh, you know what I wanted to get on was do we have time for the trikouty stuff that we just grabbed. Oh, if we have it, sure, absolutely love it. Sixty five Michael. Back to the case specifically.

Yeah, they took a misdemeanor, they put a tuxedo on it and called it a felony. Keep in mind, he ran for office promising to do what was done today. So if that's where we are as a country, where we're going to elect the chief law enforcement officer who promises to go after people, not crimes. You couple that with the evidentiary rulings from this judge. As you know, I was a prosecutor. I enjoyed some pro prosecution judges. I ain't never seen one like Judge Mershat. Never never saw a judge's evidentiary rulings undercut the defense. And that doesn't even get to the jury instructions, which were essentially a road map to a guilty to a guilty verdict. Jury's are only as good as the information they're given, So the verdict does not surprise me.

Trey Goudy, yet another Republican, not a Trump fan, outraged by the result.

Yeah, yep, sorry, I'm obsessed with this.

It's going to finding a porn title for a Stormy Daniels movie. I've never actually seen her work. I imagine very similar. I imagine it's got a very similar in tone to others that I've seen.

Yes, indeed, let's see there's a sameness to it.

Grand Theft?

Are you telling me the star of Grand Theft or G two? I can't say that one toy's story and they get it.

Let's see and sack lunch.

That's a no atle boy, Are you telling me the story of tropical Stormy and slutty schoolgirls too? Is some sort of paragon to be admired? Is that what you were saying to me there?

Finally, I just think before we go any further down this road of discussing the law, let's think about Stormy for a moment and what she's been through.

Oh my mouth opened? Are you kidding?

Which aspect of it specifically sleeping with a sweaty, old, fat rich golfer to.

Get something or the tawdry each other or.

The tawdry and humiliating tour of America's third rate strip clubs to try to capitalize.

On her newfound fame. Which aspect of it specifically?

Sweetheart, I like the middle aged mom going town to town in front of dozens of sad men shaking her hooters well.

And indeed, from all accounts, most of the audience was there ironically because they thought it was funny.

Now humiliating. Oh my god, we got more on the way I say here, Luca wwives are Madennials with the ruin of fouling a.

Toose right, and look you got her words with Snoop.

He's loving it. Here's the move by Luca, the contact, the and one and the words between Luca and one of the greatest rappers to ever get it.

Done, Luca Donchek getting into it with Snoop Dogg. Yesterday at the as the Dallas Mavericks closed out the Timberwolves and are going to be in the finals against the Boston Celtics.

Told it was somebody behind Snoop Dogg.

Luca Donchik came out and scored more points than the other team by himself in the first quarter.

They went up by thirty and a half.

He took a three pointer from that middle circle where you had jumped the ball to start the game. He was so hot he shot a three pointer from there, like not with the clock running down or anything.

Just for fun and made it. He was just out of his head. You may have gotten me. I may have to tune in and watch this guy a little bit. Let's see what how much time do we have?

Not very much?

One you got indulge me one more. My favorite Stormy Daniel's title Stormy Daniel stars in hung Jury, Oh, which the box notes is four hours long.

So it's an epic.

I mean it's the lay miz of these two people fornicating or two or more people.

Hung jury, not twelve jurors being able to come to an agreement, but larger than average Genitalia.

Okay, wow, wow, for those who needed a map, Katie, can you believe? Can you see what I have to work with? Can you the toll this is taken on my psyche?

I'm not too sure I would have gotten a joke if Jack hadn't elaborated, you know what I mean?

Yeah, thank you for that, Jack. Those who needed to be led by the well hand, Oh my god.

A couple of food related stories that I think we can cram me in. First of all, good has triumphed over evil. The QR backlash has won. Restaurants are ditching the QR code where you have to look at a tighteny tiny little version of the menu on your phone and saying, here's a damn menu.

Tack Wry said at a restaurant the other day, I said that I'm not eating here. We don't have menus. Well, then I'm not eating here. Tell me what you have, I guess, or I have to leave because they're grabbing all the information off your phone.

It's a scam. For one thing.

You get into the QR code and you have to hit an agree thing and they take all the you know now they're they've got all your passwords and all that crap. Oh f you restaurants in your q codes. I'm glad that that's going on. Yeah, the last one I went to that had that said, would you like for us to save this card for future purchases?

No, do not save my credit card information? Thank you.

It's like when I ordered the cheeseburger recently. Okay, just need your phone number?

What?

No, okay, just your first and last name? No, how about your socialow what?

So murder.

I think we're all hip now to the fact, or we certainly should be, that every free app in the world exists to collect your data. Well, Now, apparently cheeseburgers exist to collect my data. They're not in business for selling cheeseburgers. They lure me in with cheeseburgers so they can extract my data. Well, we need to text you when it's ready. Can't you just tell me? I'm standing right here? I mean, you know, it's one of those kind of plays.

Yeah, what happened to taking the ticket and yelling my name? Yeah?

You know, I've got to admit I'm a little ashamed. I've weakened on the whole. You don't need my email address to sell me this uh you know connector this charging cord. Just sell the damn thing to me. But again, that's a second product line that they're selling. Now, your data did not have time to get into this. Perhaps we can squeeze it in the next hour. What happened after I stopped taking a weight loss drug.

Oh that's a good one.

Guy lost forty pounds on Munjaro and wondered how he would do without the drug. It is a striking tale and one worth hearing.

And so, like we heard the other day about people becoming sex addicts and gambling addicts because of these drugs, I'll try to work that in

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