Hour 3 of A&G features...
From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty show.
Defense has tried to make Michael Cohne the accused is it just doesn't matter whether Michael Cohne wanted to make money or whether he's believable. The document speaks for itself, and Hope Hicks, a loyalist to Donald Trump, said it was politically motivated.
So did David Peckerck. The case has been made.
This judge has allowed the jury to hear falsely that there was there were campaign violations, and there were not. And so I'm quite convinced that this jury thinks that there was a verified and established campaign violation committed and.
Connected to Trump. That's just not the case. I've been saying for a while.
Just from a media standpoint, MSNBC's their view of the trial. Fox has their view of the trial, and I feel like the people on CNN, basically you get a couple of different views. They don't seem to be shading it one way or the other near as much. But I don't know what the point is of even even taking in any of these legal pundits because they're all over the place, and of course, you know, there's an outcome I want, so I tend to agree with the ones that, you know, talk about it the way I want it to turn out. But there's a lot of really experienced lawyers, former prosecutors, blah blah blah, that have one hundred and eighty degree different opinions where we are on this thing. Yeah, yeah, well, okay, And how honest are they being?
I don't have any idea.
Yeah, I would say several of them, including one we just heard, is so transparently full of crap and so clearly pandering that they need not be taken seriously. But to discuss the chaos, especially yesterday in the Trump trial, great to welcome back retired Superior Court judge Larry Goodman, former attorney elevate in the Supreme Court or at the Superior Court in the eighties. Retired after thirty one years, handled many many murder trials in Alameda County in the Bay Area, among other things, and is now interestingly started the Cross Crossroads program to help rehab felons and give them a second chance, which I think is a fabulous and worthy endeavor.
Larry, good to have you back.
How are you thanks for having me. I'm doing great. We're sitting here in Alameda on the back of our boat, just taking in the morning sunshine.
Wow. Why should mine?
So there was a guy on the stand yesterday, this Costello guy who kept rolling his eyes at the judge or saying ah geez after the judge would say sustained or whatever, and at one point was trying to stare the judge down.
How do you have you.
Ever had that happen to you and how are you supposed to handle it as a judge?
Well, it starts the way before that witness is about controlling the courtroom. I mean, I did cases where I had people charged with murder sitting next to me on the witness stand, and they weren't always agreeable to what I was doing. But you don't just start getting mad and start yelling back at the witness. There are ways to do it, and sometimes it's better, I know, he closed the courtroom and shoot on Costello for a little bit. It's usually a lot more effective to stop the witness, look at the jury, and then scold the witness while you're looking at the jury, to let the jury know that you really disapprove of what this witness is doing to get into an ego match with Costello by closing the courtroom and yelling at each other. I don't think accomplished as much.
Interesting.
Yeah, indeed, so Andy McCarthy suggested Andy McCarthy in a National Review that the judge had been wildly inconsistent in overruling or allowing objections to Costello's testimony, and that it just wasn't even handed and it was frustrating to Cassello, who's an experienced attorney. How aware of you aware of the testimony are you? And does that ring true toy at all?
Yes, I mean I unfortunately, I'm one of these news junkies, so I follow this stuff pretty closely. And it's almost like I think Trey Goudi described it as, there's this different strike zone when the defense is asking questions versus when the prosecution is asking questions. And I've never heard of a judge normally there's a question that's a yes or no question and the person starts to explain. The response from the judge will be you have to answer it yes or no, then you can explain your answer. This judge said answer it yes or no, and didn't let the witness explain his answer at all. So that's just it's almost like a parallel universe. What's going on in that court.
Last time you were on, we asked you, you know what percentage of judges shouldn't probably be judges and whether this guy was on the list. And my recollection is is you're not impressed by Wan merchand.
Him less than impressed. Less than not impressed, I guess would be the appropriate way. I mean, as rulings just they don't make any sense. The ruling he made about the expert FEC witness, that makes no sense. He said, well, you have two experts that will confuse the jury. That's what witnesses do. That's what experts men, and give an opinion. The jury decides which one's believable. It's not up to him to limit what the jury hears. When there are competing points of view about a particular point of law or a particular fact.
I guess it's a different philosophy. And I don't know how many judges have the philosophy that this guy might have, that his job as a judge is to have a view of the world and try to push court cases the direction of his view of the world to make the world a better place, as opposed to just applying the law in a dispassionate way.
Is that the way you're say in, well.
Then he should run for Congress and not be a judge.
Me.
You're supposed to be on the bench, and you're you're supposed to let your call balls and strikes, basically, And I had trials where the outcome was anything but, you know, totally opposite of what I wanted to happen. But it happened, and we just try to give people a fair trial. He obviously has a bias. He's not even trying to hide the bias. Maybe that's the way it works in certain courts in New York, but it's so obvious that it's it's troubling almost.
And I'm assuming you've talked to fellow judges, retired judges about this case at least a little bit.
Oh yeah, yeah, a couple of my friends, we stay in touch. We don't, you know, just hey, what do you think about this? And then it's I don't think you'll find anybody that's really being honest. The universally won't say this judge has done a really poor job of presiding over this trial.
Retired Superior Court Judge Larry Goodman on the line, So let's talk about some of the explosive developments of the other day in which Michael Cohen allowed it.
Yeah, yeah, I stole like, what was it.
Jack, fifty thousand dollars from the twenty five I think, yeah, from the Trump organization while he was spreading money around to various fixers and hoods and porn stars and the rest of it.
What do you think the jury made of that, Larry.
Well, I mean, he admitted to a felony, understand, So you know, it goes to credibility. It's it's it's very strange to have a witness confess to a crime that's of a higher quality than the crime for which the defendants on trial. You know, it's, wow, you just admitted stealing all this money, so we already know you're a liar, and now we know you're a crook. So it should it should affect the credibility of the way the jury tests his testimony or reacts to his testimony.
I would think, I know, it's an old tired question of what judges wear under their robes. But as you got later in your career, did you move away from dress pants and closer to pajamas?
Pretty well, I never wore I think my first five years I wore tie in a regular dress shirt and from then on it was Levi's and golf shirts.
There you go, Yeah, that's good enough, just to justice deserves a non sweaty neck per something. Larry Goodman, retired judges on the line, Larry, I realize, Oh that's right, I know what I want to ask. So the prosecution has not yet made clear the underlying crime that turns the paperwork errors or deliberate omissions into a felony. Don't they have to say what crime he's charged with at some point?
Well, they do, and they should have been made to do that before they ever put on their first witness. They certainly should have been required to do that through an expert witness, to which then the defense could have had their own expert witness. But now it looks like they're not going to find out until closing argument. And the interesting thing about a closing argument is the jury is instructed that what did lawyers say during argument is not evidence. So there's a definition of a crime from somebody who's giving an argument that they can't consider it is a factual statement.
Interesting, All right, go ahead, Jack, How often were you wrong?
Do you think about what direction you thought the jury was going to go? Since you all heard the same thing.
Probably, you know, maybe less than five percent, and some.
Time you had an idea how you thought the jury was going to go.
Yeah, And there was only a couple of cases where the jury came back not guilty on a couple of multiple homicide cases that the whole courtroom was just shocked. One time it was because of jury misconduct and the other time. But I think the jury was just scared to death. They wanted to just get out of Oakland without getting Okay.
Well, then that's interesting then, So practically all the time, since those are two outlier situations, practically all the time you knew how the jury was going to go. Why do I keep hearing on cable news there's no predicting a jury. You never have any idea how a jury is going to react. Those seem to be in conflict.
Well, because where I was practicing or where I was sitting as a judge, by the time we got to trial, things have been patched out pretty well, everybody kind of knew what was going on. I mean, jurys did crazy things, don't get me wrong, But most of the time, by the time you go through a preliminary hearing, you go through pre trial hearings, you kind of know where the evidence is going to lie. Unless somebody does something crazy during the trial, everybody kind of knows how it's going to come out.
Interesting.
So back to Jack's question, how surprised would you be scale of one to ten if the jury came back with a conviction of Trump on one or more of the felon accounts.
Not surprised at all.
Oh really, I mean.
It's because the way the trial's gone. I mean again, I don't know what this jury. I haven't seen the jury. I don't know what they look like. I'm a little concerned that they now have eight days to find the ways to get in trouble between now when they come back to hear arguments and instructions game, what do.
You mean by getting trouble?
They go back to work and their coworker says, hey, did you hear about that? I understand you guys weren't in the courtroom when that happened or oh okay, so they've got all this time to go back to their regular lives and have people interact with them. And even if they try to adhere to the admonition, you're not to discuss this case, so let anybody discuss it with you. It's pretty hard to live by those rules for eight days when you're back to your normal life.
How about over Memorial Day weekend there's a little drinking pooing folved.
Perhaps.
Why do you think they're taking such a long break before the closing arguments?
I have no idea. I mean it's unheard of. I mean, well, even on death penalty cases, we wouldn't let the jury wander around for eight days before we get closing arguments and instructions. That just makes And they're going to do instructions I guess this afternoon. So then what's the what's the hang up? Right? Yeah?
Okay, So this this seems to be like an untapped scandal here because I didn't hear anybody explain why it was going to be a week.
Want to get back in there?
Well, and I speaking as a several time juror, the idea that you'd get your jury instructions and then go home for a week before you come back.
That's idiotic. Those instructions are important.
Yeah though they're No, they're not going to be instructed. They're just going to hammer out the instruction. So I'm my understanding is the judge likes have closing arguments, go right into instructions and then start deliberations. And that's all well and good, but you don't by the time you get back next Tuesdays are going to have forgotten things. They're not going to be in the same mindset, like I said, They're going to go back to their regular lives and maybe been infected by some piece of information that they're not supposed to know about, or they may get curious and go google, you know, FBC Laws or someone who knows what they're gonna do.
So what a dumpster fire it really is.
Jonathan Turley said it best when he said it's like a parallel universe of the trial. It just makes no sense in so many different different aspects.
Wow.
Retired Superior Court Judge Larry Goodman, Larry, great to talk to you, Thanks again for the insight and happy sailing.
Thanks Bill very much. Calculator, Bye bye all.
Right, sounds good.
Well, there's some interesting stuff there. No rhyme or reason for why they're taking a week off, and I hadn't even thought about that, but hell yeah, over Memorial Day weekend they're going to be out there. So anything they haven't heard yet of the punditry of the world about this thing, they're gonna absorb. And you know, in a part of the country where ninety percent of people hate Trump, why is that happening?
I don't know.
It's just yet another misstep by this crappy judge.
Yet he thinks the jury will bring back a felony conviction.
Wow. Trump Along the way stare army.
Target dropping prices on five thousand products, trying to win back customers and compete with Walmart lowering prices on many household items, groceries and baby products.
Yeah, I mean I like lower prices, But on the other hand, I don't want I don't want Walmart people in my Target. Ohautism, elitism, elitism because they shop at Target.
That's hilarious.
But that's what you're gonna get if you have the same prices. I'm gonna get Walmart people over at the Target. Come on, we have better carts, the wheel don't wobble.
Uh.
So there's that economic story. And then the fact that Red Slops is closing up all across the country because they underguessed the gluttony of America.
I think that's so hilarious. So it turns out.
The whole twenty dollars all you can eat shrimp deal in June cost them eleven million dollars that they lost for the quarter.
And I'm sure they did the math on that.
They had some sort of projection over how many shrimp they thought people would eat, and they're all you could eat shrimp deal, and they came up way short of the average gluttonous customer who came in and ate way more than they thought.
They were already in trouble.
Red Lobster and they took a swing for the fences, and anybody who's played the great game of baseball nose. Sometimes when you swing for the vences, you really know it's in the catcher's mitt.
But I wonder if when they started getting the returns back, you know, night by night, week by week, they're like, good.
God, we knew Americans were gluttons, but this is this is shocking.
He plates did that guy at table six seat last night. We finally when we closed the I walked to the car with the lights off and he was still sitting in there eating.
I don't know, we need to harvest more shrimp, sir. There are no more shrimp anywhere on Earth.
I also like the fact that people are trying to buy memorabilia from Red Lobsters because they have great childhood memories and all that sort of stuff. You talked about taking your kids to Red Lobster. People want the fish tank, or they want the big fake steering wheel from a ship that they have hanging on the wall.
You know, you put that on your wall and say, hey, it was from the Red Lobster.
Downtown chy Red Lobster T shirts the thing of the future. Red Lobster ought to go with the memorabilia with the merch.
You're right, you're right. It is kind of campy cool, yeah, exactly.
That is so interesting that they had a prediction how much they thought people would eat and came and they were way off.
So coming up next segment, certain rumblings about a certain politician who may or may not be old enough to have played handball with Alexander Hamilton and Scranton. Certain rumblings about whether he should be the nominee or getting louder. What mainstream baby, that's exciting.
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It matters people clapping when you can't have no idea.
What he said it was closed captioning, like you're watching Netflix.
And then here's some other event he was at.
And when I was vice president, things were kind of bad during the pandemic.
And what happened was Rock.
Said to me, go to Detroit and help fix it. Well, poor Mary, he spend more time with me than he ever thought. He's going to have to God love you.
Yeah, and that guy's laughing thinking, yeah, you weren't vice president during the pandemic. Trump was president for part of it, and you were a president for part of it. But Brock didn't send you anywhere during the pandemic. But anyway, wow, wow, wow, that's not normal confusing things in your head. That's a different kind correct. Yeah, yeah, that's something bad anyway. So one of my favorite newsletters to read is The Wide World of News from Mark Halpern. Every day is the better political pundits out there, I believe, And he every once in a while just does a general state of the race newsletter, just kind of where things are now.
And he was talking today about how.
Generally the person that wins the presidency was playing offense and the person that loses was playing defense. It's just the way things shook out during the campaign. And he goes through all kinds of examples of Clinton and Bush and Obama and Trump, and currently what's going on is that Biden is playing pure defense and Trump is on offense in a lot of places.
To that point, there's.
Not a single state that Biden lost in twenty twenty that he has a legit shot to win this time around, whereas Trump is trying to reverse the results in a whole bunch of different states Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, and the Big three of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, where the polls show him ahead or even, so he's on full offense. Plus he's putting up resources in Minnesota and Virginia where they must think they've got a shot at it based on their internal polling. So he's on offense in a whole bunch of states. Biden is in defense at best. And that rings true to me that because Hillary was playing defense trying to go around and show up various states that like Oh and he also makes a point I.
Thought this was a good one.
How about the fact that Trump is playing offense in other geographic ways with his recent rally in Blue New Jersey where he got nearly one hundred thousand people and this week's event in the Bronx that he's got planned for Thursday that he'll probably get a big crowd. Imagine Biden doing a big rally in Birmingham, Alabama, or holding an offense event in.
Utah and getting a crowd. Not a chance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely true.
I am virtually the only pundit I've heard I hate to refer to myself as a pundit that is talking about Biden's mental decline.
As a trajectory.
It seems like everybody else who even if they concede that, alright, he's lost his stab, he's not very sharp, he's mumbley, he forgets things, blah blah blah.
They seem to be ignoring.
The fact that that is not a that is not a static measure that.
Will continue to decline.
It will either decline a little bit in the next three or four months, maybe even imperceptibly little I doubt it, or it will decline a lot. Anybody who's ever seen the advance of dementia or other age related problems knows some three months periods went pretty well, some are terrible, and the decline is rapid. But I think people are ignoring the fact that this guy continues to get even older.
Having said that, Trump.
Absolutely had a great fundraising couple of weeks off of the trial. The trial in Manhattan, as we speculated, has been a positive for him. Folks who would tend to support him, or even just hold their nose and support him, are saying, man, this is a railroad job and they're kicking in money. So sure enough. But back to Biden and his mental state. I thought this was notable. Not it doesn't win the case, but it was notable that the USA Today, which is a lefty, dopey publication, ran an opinion piece today from Jeremy Meyer, who's an associate professor in the Scar School of actually a Sclar School of Policy and Government at George Mason University, where one of my children may or may not have a degree from that very program. In that very school, he also directs the master's and PhD programs in political science. And actually he says some stuff in this opinion piece that I found pretty loopy, but his main premise is this The headline, actually, how can Biden save America from Trump's return to the White House?
Drop out of the race? The November election is the rematch.
America doesn't want the two oldest and among the most unpopular candidates in our history. It doesn't have to be that way. Republicans are stuck with Trump for obvious reasons. But there's a way for President Joe Biden to step aside, to voluntarily remove himself for the good of the nation. He told announce it any time this summer that he's out. If I'm a Democrat, that is clearly true.
The number one top of the list best way to stop Trump if I'm a Democrat, would be get a different candidate.
Yeah, yeah, And actually, mister Meyer points out that he could use the same logic that got him the nomination in twenty twenty. He sincerely inaccurately believed he was the Democrat with the best chance to beat Trump. Now he is one of the few national Democrats who could get Trump re elected. Right goes into the sum of the polling, which is is terrible. Biden seen is too old to serve a second term by many voters. Some perceptions of candidates can be changed, but voters are unlikely. He writes to decide that Biden is younger and more vigorous. Then I thought, yeah, that is not going to be a thing. Right, Right, if Democrats were to nominate Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, he'd beat Trump like Lebron James posting up Kevin.
Hart, I think that might be true.
An excellent multidisciplined comparison. Whatever you think of the accuracy, Kevin Heart's like four foot ten.
The poor guy referenced against Lebron.
Named Kevin Hart has got my anyway. But there are many others, including Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan. Well, if she can ride to DC on her broin, I don't think she'd win. Yeah, she's awful. Senator Amy Klobucher, Minnesota, sennity is Senator Corey Spartacus Booker of New Jersey.
Really now wow?
And then then I shouldn't This undermines my point because I think Meyer's absolutely right. And I think it's notable that a publication as lefty and anodyne, kind of boring and dopey as the USA T today would publish this opinion piece and and and and and uh, pretty prominently. I think he's right. But then he says and while President Vice President Kamala Harris, who pulls worse against Trump than Biden does, would have been a serious threat to take the nomination in open primaries, No, she wasn't.
No, No, America is not that stupid.
No people, Oh, you got to get out of the classroom and onto the streets.
Dude. She's a broad and everybody knows it.
She dropped out before Iowa when she wasn't as well known as she is now, and the more people know her, the less they like her.
She dropped out before Iowa.
She didn't even run in the contest, she was so unlike, So that's hilarious.
And then this academic says Biden has had, by most standard measures, a pretty successful presidency. So a guy who is that clearly a Democrat, who's that dewey eyed and unrealistic in his estimates, still believes Biden really needs to get out.
I don't understand that last sentence. There is a rating, it's called the approval rating for how you've done. You've got the lowest one in like eighty years, so by definition, people do not think you've had a successful presidency.
But he's being blamed for high inflation, the US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the Israel Hamas war in Gaza.
Well, the first of that is more.
Yeah, some of those are more compelling than others in terms of placing blame on Biden. But Jeremy, dude, my brother, my brother man. How about his constant race baiting and trying to pit Americans against each other? How about is trying to smear all Republicans with the not picking example of the very few. He's an awful device of indecisive, senile jackass. But you're right about your premise. He needs to get out a senile jackass. Do you want him to get out? I don't want him to get out.
I do act. Look at you, Look at you putting America over your personal needs.
Well as you know, I'm not entirely comfortable with Trump as president, and just I think Biden as president would be a nightmare. There are a couple of fairly moderate Democrats I could deal with.
Man Hanson put the title on this hour, Joseph Democrat.
Oh no, I'd rather see Trump win, no question. But if he doesn't, what's the alternate? What's the alternative Joe Biden and Kamala Harris Again, good god, because that means president Kamala Harris. And I also think no, seriously, seriously, now, I think that would be a terrible, terrible.
Threat to our national security. You're right, And I just realized something about myself. I must I've just been I've been operating on the assumption that that can't happen. Another Biden Harris term. I just kind of assume that can't happen. It can It's not likely, but it could happen, and that would be a disaster.
Oh my god, that would be a disaster.
And the situation the world's in right now, to have Joe Biden still calling the shots. Oh and then of course the unthinkable if Kambla.
Harris becomes president.
I mean, oh my god, it is time for us to do what we have been doing in that time. As every day I've I just I just realized that about myself. I'm assuming that can't happen, and that's not true, that's not accurate.
It could happen.
Yeah, I honestly think it would be a potential horrifying disaster. And even if the Republicans got both houses and staved off the truly miserable on the domestic side, the international the potential for international disaster, it's just huge.
And honestly, now.
That I think about it, with the executive branch's horrific unconstitutional power to rule through FIAT and executive Order and regulations through the various regulatory agencies and cabinet posts, I just know we.
Can't have Biden Harris again. Anyway. What a weird situation where this country's in.
It's almost surreal that we got here, it is, And then you put it in the context of the timing of the world. If this were you know, that period after the Cold War ended, where were we the hyper power and felt like we had no threats and that sort of thing. But that's not where we are at all, the exact opposite, more threats than we've had in well, who is Henry Kissinger? Lots of people have said this is the most unsettled the world order has been since World War Two, and now is when we're having this crisis of leadership.
Wow, this is the most election of our lifetime. It is the most election of our lifetimes. You twit. Here's the terrible question. Do we need to endure an.
Awful blow as a country before we get serious?
Can we can we handle it?
Can we survive it? What do you mean?
Can we survive a really bad, awful term to then get serious?
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, we'll never be brought down from outside. Do we still have.
The resilience to endure that blow and reform what we're doing?
I'm a little bit.
Hesitant to say yes to that question. I certainly hope so we always have them.
I hadn't seen it put that starkly. It's pretty obvious, I guess when you read it in black and white. But Biden has no chance of picking up any states. He merely trying to hang on to what he won before. And Trump has got, at least, according to the polling, an opportunity to pick up half dozen or more states that he didn't win last time.
But can he stay out of his own way? No, he can't. But we'll have to see it unfold in real time. Down this road lies madness.
We write so many texts about the whole great inflation thing and teachers and why maybe I'll hit a few of those, among other things on the way.
Jakita, name another banana company.
We'll wait.
CNN, Sorry, you're stuck in the airport right now.
Would it help if we shouted about.
The same story for forty five minutes?
History Channel? Guess we ran out of history time for aliens? Yeah, no, kidding, baked laze.
Everyone to eat a FedEx envelope.
I think we cut off the premise there, but we caught on quickly.
Why is CNN on in every airport in America?
You got a contract of some sort, did they?
Yeah?
I can't remember. I've read once how that worked. But it wasn't that interesting. Not interesting story, I know it.
Your cable news channels make most of their money from the carriage fees, not from advertising like most by I mean practically all, and it's a ton of money. But so MSNBC for instance, and Fox, although Fox has much bigger ratings, but MSNBC. You can't make the argument that they have those shows on there with those wild opinions because it makes them money. It wouldn't make any difference really, because the carriage fees are the same whether you if you're on various cable packages. They make hundreds of millions of dollars off of being part of these packages, and so they're not just serving their viewer with some of this outlandish, you know analysis.
I found that interesting. Soeah, I don't know much about that. I don't know what.
Drives these things. I guess it's just management in their personal points of view. AnyWho, we got a couple of texts about great inflation because we got on that topic last hour. I'm horrified by the state's schooling right now, and my kids are right in the midst of it, and I don't know what to do. But anyway, regarding your topic on great inflation, it's front and center, and my son's teachers are way too lenient on his work. His grades fell off the cliff during COVID and it has never come back.
But I know other parents that like me, you're being too easy.
Why I don't want you to be this easy? But I guess a lot of parents aren't that way. Teachers inflate grades to keep the parents off their back. In some cases, if you give the grade the student earned, you will spend hours and meetings with the parents fighting it. I guess that's if you're like super duper into the college track and you got to have a certain grade point average, that's when you're making that argument.
I just I don't know.
I want to be good at math and science and reading, and don't give them an A if they don't if they're not equality. Also, those parents that want to fight the ref at the flag football game you're talking about it are the same parents that abuse the teachers when they try to discipline kids in school. YEP, it's quite possibly true. I would rather my kid is good at math, getting and you're giving them b's and c's, then you give them a's and they're not good at math.
But that's just me. I guess I'm an outlier. I don't know.
It's one of the great lies of modern society. That the discipline and the drive and the education that kids get at school is supposed to come from the teachers. The truth is the kids are supposed to walk in with a lot of it, the drive and the discipline, the ability to behave, et cetera.
We're lying to ourselves, armstrong and getty,